| i mean, seriously, why? if the theme already estabilished in the first place if they doing it in slow pace, it will pretty much like that.. why complaining about them? they are oftenly called "no progression", "no development" , "dragged"... well.. no shit sherlock, of course if you not picking attention to detail, of course they are nothing.. they called slow romance because small thing happened that make romance developed steady and slowly... did people just expecting "i love you", "i love you too", "lets bang" in this kind of shows? WTF? PS: not that saying that slow progression romance is supperrior than fast progression romance... everything depend on execution in my eyes.. i just surprised why people hating the promise alone... it's like hating comedy because there is joke on it... it simply don't targetted towards you... why would you watch it in first place? seriously, i don't get it... |
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| gr8 exampl8s m8 i cant think of any besides maybe inuyasha |
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| Taking an entire season for the characters to just kiss is hilariously lazy and transparently phony. |
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Sotry said: ohh.. i care about opinion on interned.. not that i would listen to it thou...Its the internet and you should stop caring about other people's opinions , it makes life easier . Askorti said: ehh.. that's what famouse, but not really... it's about exploration of relationship, of course most impacting is in introduction, when progression is being made and started... but it's not all about that.. for example:Well, the problem I see is that most of the time they end on the first kiss or "I love you" and that's it. > Ore monogatari (after being couple,) > aan! megami sama (also after being couple... harem throweng afterwards..) > futari ecchi (even after married... exploring their prefference and sex life) this is one of most common trope on romance series T_T... Zelkiiro said: i can't find how it lazy... it give you many detail and deep exploration about character, event, and progression... also slow progression pace =/= slow time for development... it can be the timeline it self is very slow and detailed for example is skip beat and hayate no gotoku... Taking an entire season for the characters to just kiss is hilariously lazy and transparently phony. |
KumaAug 11, 2016 9:28 AM
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Askorti said: I think this is it for a lot of people. The amount of series we have that mimic this pattern is more prominent than works that show how an active relationship progresses overtime. The focus of 'how we fell in love' carries a lot more opportunity for drama and 'spice' to keep a plot interesting versus a more slice of life appeal we would receive should we just watch a relationship move through it's course. While it's nice to have both perspectives, I think people at this point are just tired of how saturated the former scenario is, where many of the series can seem similar in contrast to one another because of their respective plot points.Well, the problem I see is that most of the time they end on the first kiss or "I love you" and that's it. |
Chandela said: oh... i kinda understand this reason... for whatever reason, fast progression romance rarely got anime adaptation... well, most of them usually also short... so it's also kinda understable...Askorti said: I think this is it for a lot of people. The amount of series we have that mimic this pattern is more prominent than works that show how an active relationship progresses overtime. The focus of 'how we fell in love' carries a lot more opportunity for drama and 'spice' to keep a plot interesting versus a more slice of life appeal we would receive should we just watch a relationship move through it's course. While it's nice to have both perspectives, I think people at this point are just tired of how saturated the former scenario is, where many of the series can seem similar in contrast to one another because of their respective plot points.Well, the problem I see is that most of the time they end on the first kiss or "I love you" and that's it. |
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| It's actually perfect no romance=no cancer Bakuman did it right took them 75 episodes to kiss. |
| I suppose there are a lot of people just don't have the patience for slow progression. I personally am totally fine with slow progression romance, because I don't think it's realistic to have characters know each other for an episode and be like "yeah this is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, time to go make-out with them." I mean of course there are different situations and different ways to show the progression of romance, so I think it's fine if it takes a while, so long as you can see how they start to genuinely care and learn about each other more and more as time goes on. But I think people complain about it so much because they just want the characters to get together as quickly as possible, instead of waiting to see how the romance and story unfolds. |
| I don't have much trouble with it when the story isn't that focused on romance. But then we get shoujo romance stuff like Kimi ni Todoke/shoujo stuff, that starts absolutely adorable, and I end up pissed off midway because the characters are just dumb, and everything seems to go with the pacing of a snail to just create more unnecesary drama. That's atleast my opinion. |
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| I want thing to happen. But if there's other aspect that i can enjoy(like comedy or other plot/story progress) then i don't really care about slow romance progress. If it takes full season just to get over a name calling and has nothing else to offer then I will give that show a low rating. |
| As always, depends on the execution. There are anime I've seen where the progression was slow but I didn't mind because it kept me entertained in other ways, and anime where the progression was slow / non-existant because it was getting dragged out for no apparent reason. To use an example, look at Nijiro Days, because it was a great example of both sides of the spectrum. In the grand scheme of things, the progression was pretty slow; each episode had Natsuki slowly getting closer to Kobayakawa without anything really happening. It kept me entertained, though, because it was just fun to watch each episode. The comedy really helped to make me not mind the lack of progresion because I was too busy laughing. Yet even inbetween that, you could see the characters slowly getting closer to one another. But then on the other side of things, nothing happened at the end of 24 episodes and it even had the gall to pull a fucking stupid move right at the end of the series specifically to stop progression from happening. That's the problem with the slower-paced romance. It's one thing to have it move along slowly and steadily, but when it gets to the point where nothing actually happens it becomes a problem. Nisekoi's another example of this. It has 32 episodes of very little progression. Another thing - although this is more based on each person's preferences and isn't necessarily an actual problem with romance anime - is that, where slower based progression is concerned, you often don't actually get to see the couple be together. They get together by the end of the series, but that's it. You get to see them finally get together and then the series ends. I personally would love to have a couple of episodes of them actually being together, such as in Lovely Complex or Plastic Memories. As much as I loved Toradora, I can't help but feel disappointed by the fact that I got to see very little of Taiga and Ryuji actually being together. The pacing was fine in that, but 1 or 2 more episodes of them afterwards would have been so welcome. |
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| Certain people watch too much porn/hentai that go straight to "romance" parts lol. Therefore, lack of patient. XD |
EsperAug 11, 2016 11:18 AM
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| Compare the romance in Suzuka with something like Inuyasha. Ones an emotional thrill ride, the other ones just you wondering when they'll finally acknowledge their feelings for each other for hundreds of episodes. I know which one resonates with me more. |
| because most of the time, the things happening during the slow progression are boring. For impatient people (like me) it kills all the enjoyement. Also some ppl watch romance for the relationship aspect, not for the "how they finally got together after 3953945 years" |
| So like, there are these magical things our brains bestow to us called "opinions" and sometimes people have different ones. This is such a case. |
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| The reader can tell that they are in love with each other from the 1st or 2nd episode, and it's painfully obvious for everyone except the 2 MC. So we become impatient. Slow romance = Author/Studio intentionally make the pace slower than it should be to make it longer and sell more -> The anime/manga become boring. Nisekoi should have ended in 50 chapters, not more than 200. It's the same with Shounen, where 30 seconds of fight take 20 minutes to watch. |
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| Pretty sure it's because people want instant gratification and are incapable of patience and nuance. |
Kuma said: did people just expecting "i love you", "i love you too", "lets bang" in this kind of shows? WTF? Ever see "School Days"? More or less what happens. |
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freakiepoh said: Slow progression is the bane of all romance anime/mangas imo. It's insulting when they go through a particularly tough trial and NOTHING comes out of it. I'm not asking for constant action and drama, it's totally fine when they mix in slower moments and I enjoy that. But some writers take it too far and drag things out to bring in the cash at the expense of the story. Pixelzz said: I want thing to happen. here is the problem... people always expecting some dramatic change to be can called change and progression and pretend small detail is nothingness... which i found it because lack of attention on viewer, not the series yet still blame the series for it... i found it ironical and illogical... LeWeebJames said: that's freaking slow.. bakuman is both example for fast progression (the blonde guy) and slow progression (the black haired dude)...It's actually perfect no romance=no cancer Bakuman did it right took them 75 episodes to kiss. nachum00 said: Compare the romance in Suzuka with something like Inuyasha. Ones an emotional thrill ride, the other ones just you wondering when they'll finally acknowledge their feelings for each other for hundreds of episodes. I know which one resonates with me more. funny things i found suzuka is embodient of really worst fast progression romance when character feels like unstable and event/drama that come outa nowhere... Seidou_Takizawa said: Because most of this type of shows become really boring, yes i get that romance needs time to develop yes but seriously there's times where literally nothing happen *coff* Nisekoi season 2 *coff* nisekoi is one of most misunderstood slow romance i found... the progression that made it character relationship pretty steady and visible change (i read manga and ignoring anime, anime is cutting too many stuff, thou season 2 more focus on onodera haru and paul mc coy) GarlandReese said: Kuma said: did people just expecting "i love you", "i love you too", "lets bang" in this kind of shows? WTF? Ever see "School Days"? More or less what happens. i found school days pretty mild thou for fast progression romance... try uwakoi... good luck with that... |
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Maz said: To use an example, look at Nijiro Days, because it was a great example of both sides of the spectrum. In the grand scheme of things, the progression was pretty slow; each episode had Natsuki slowly getting closer to Kobayakawa without anything really happening. It kept me entertained, though, because it was just fun to watch each episode. The comedy really helped to make me not mind the lack of progresion because I was too busy laughing. Yet even inbetween that, you could see the characters slowly getting closer to one another. But then on the other side of things, nothing happened at the end of 24 episodes and it even had the gall to pull a fucking stupid move right at the end of the series specifically to stop progression from happening. they are both starting really innocance and have no clue anything about love at all (especialy kobayashi), and "only" after a year (in series), they already progressing from mere one sided aqquintance to acknowladge their own feelings... it was pretty fast.. thou i would agree ill excuse kinda cheap in use, but doesn't change that kobayashi does developed very well done IMO... |
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| There's a difference between slow progression (Kimi ni Todoke) and no progression (Nisekoi and similar romcoms). Just saying. Slow progression can be great, no progression has not much appeal to me in terms of romance so these kind of shows need to keep me hooked for other reasons (mainly comedy). |
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Pullman said: There's a difference between slow progression (Kimi ni Todoke) and no progression (Nisekoi and similar romcoms) ^ Dis foo' be dem rightz. Best not to confuse slow with shit. |
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| I don't hate them because they're slow. I hate them because they usually don't end up anywhere besides a confession and a kiss. They spend more time in school than other places. I want to see real couples or real progress. Something I don't get is why a lot of romances just stop there. There's so many possibilities by going beyond a kiss and ending. I personally just want more romance animes where the story continues after highschool and follows them into the adult world and stuff. |
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Maz said: As always, depends on the execution. There are anime I've seen where the progression was slow but I didn't mind because it kept me entertained in other ways, and anime where the progression was slow / non-existant because it was getting dragged out for no apparent reason. To use an example, look at Nijiro Days, because it was a great example of both sides of the spectrum. In the grand scheme of things, the progression was pretty slow; each episode had Natsuki slowly getting closer to Kobayakawa without anything really happening. It kept me entertained, though, because it was just fun to watch each episode. The comedy really helped to make me not mind the lack of progresion because I was too busy laughing. Yet even inbetween that, you could see the characters slowly getting closer to one another. But then on the other side of things, nothing happened at the end of 24 episodes and it even had the gall to pull a fucking stupid move right at the end of the series specifically to stop progression from happening. That's the problem with the slower-paced romance. It's one thing to have it move along slowly and steadily, but when it gets to the point where nothing actually happens it becomes a problem. Nisekoi's another example of this. It has 32 episodes of very little progression. Another thing - although this is more based on each person's preferences and isn't necessarily an actual problem with romance anime - is that, where slower based progression is concerned, you often don't actually get to see the couple be together. They get together by the end of the series, but that's it. You get to see them finally get together and then the series ends. I personally would love to have a couple of episodes of them actually being together, such as in Lovely Complex or Plastic Memories. As much as I loved Toradora, I can't help but feel disappointed by the fact that I got to see very little of Taiga and Ryuji actually being together. The pacing was fine in that, but 1 or 2 more episodes of them afterwards would have been so welcome. I think Clannad AS has what ur looking for lol Also Mashiro-iro :) |
| Usually I am geeting more and more into the couple if they do not come together easily |
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| Lovely Complex is a very good for me. it progresses slowly, but it does make sense, it build up the characters and stronker ships |
| People wants the goal rather than the journey to it. To sound cliche af. |
| Slow romantic progression is practically the norm in anime and manga, so naturally people will be quick to judge a series if it follows the same pattern as the many before it. However, it is for the same reason that I believe people don't actually genuinely dislike this sort of trope (as we know, tropes aren't inherently bad), but rather they simply can't stand it when it is executed in the same fashion as every other generic series of its kind. This is something I am sure everyone agrees on barring newcomers to the anime medium who are fine with watching literally anything, or the diehards of a specific genre who actually like seeing the same cliches over and over again (the latter which I personally cannot comprehend). |
| I prefer slow going tbh... straight romance is not that bad but it's just not my type. maybe most romance anime fans looking for the progression after the MC start dating. But I'm not too fond of plain romance anime because there is no excitement at all for me XD... So I prefer fantasy/fantasy action anime with slow going romance :) |
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Pullman said: There's a difference between slow progression (Kimi ni Todoke) and no progression (Nisekoi and similar romcoms). Just saying. Slow progression can be great, no progression has not much appeal to me in terms of romance so these kind of shows need to keep me hooked for other reasons (mainly comedy). both are them are same in my eyes but kind of progression that different... kimi no todoke and nisekoi beginning is excelent... they are developing both of their character with steady progression and continuity, and then both of them tossing what make it good in first place... if nisekoi with rushed pairing wars (starting with yui engagment arc), kimi no tododke starting with 3rd wheel character drama (that blonde guy that got interest on sawako, still love other side character) Bezaliel said: If people hate that shit they should read "My girlfriend is faithful virgin bitch" where they are bf/gf in the first chapter yet don't do shit, it's 23 chapters+ already. boku no kanojo bitch na ken is your usual slow romcom that focusing in developing character after the confesion... this also usual thou... Seidou_Takizawa said: Kuma said: nisekoi is one of most misunderstood slow romance i found... the progression that made it character relationship pretty steady and visible change (i read manga and ignoring anime, anime is cutting too many stuff, thou season 2 more focus on onodera haru and paul mc coy) I have been planning to read the manga for a while and maybe is indeed better, but when it comes to the anime the pace was just horrible. i would agree that anime pace was horrible... manga feel better because soo many comic relief chapter for fun that make dragged pace not that noticable especialy if you read it weekly... but saying second season have devlopment is kinda arguable since in manga, what part adapted have pretty steady development... |
KumaAug 12, 2016 7:45 PM
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| Yo Kuma-san! Excellent post... I as a fan of the romance genre think that the problem is (In my humble opinion) the diversity factor… you got a lot and I mean a lot of manga/anime that focus on the slower pace progression, milking the title for $$$, (and that is fine) meanwhile you got a few that are slow paced and well written also you have a minority of manga that put the emphasis on a couple from the beginning like some examples made from fellow MAL users Ore Monogatari!!, Danna ga Nani wo Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken, Futari Ecchi to name a few, heck there even less that make the coue an item in the middle of the story. That is why some people get tire of the slow pace thingy… but as much as I love the romance genre there is one trope that I detest the most and goes hand to hand with the slow pace of a romance development in manga/anime and that is the love rival that literary appears from nowhere to milk the series… Love Lab also known as Renai Lab is a slow paced manga but it has many more elements to it (comedy, well written characters, etc.) that to me it doesn’t bother me that the girls are taking forever to make progress with their love interest… another example is the one that you and I are reading at the moment, Tomo-chan wa Onnanoko! ^_^ RiceLover said: Man I was going to post something similar to this...Slow romantic progression is practically the norm in anime and manga, so naturally people will be quick to judge a series if it follows the same pattern as the many before it. However, it is for the same reason that I believe people don't actually genuinely dislike this sort of trope (as we know, tropes aren't inherently bad), but rather they simply can't stand it when it is executed in the same fashion as every other generic series of its kind. This is something I am sure everyone agrees on barring newcomers to the anime medium who are fine with watching literally anything, or the diehards of a specific genre who actually like seeing the same cliches over and over again (the latter which I personally cannot comprehend). |
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| "Slow progression" actually implies that there's some sort of progression, instead of a handful of half-baked scenes where nothing happens and somebody interrupts and then things go back to the status-quo thrown around with a lot of filler and empty characters and contrived petty drama. |
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| Lately there's been alot of slow-progression romances with disappointing end results (Nisekoi comes to mind). With so many payoffs under expectations, I find shows where the pairings happen in the middle or beginning as a fresh breath of air. |
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| @Roy_Focker @RiceLover i already agree that saturation is one of reason... but my question is why people already in middle of series, then screaming "pls, make it fast", or finishing series then grumbling "dragged, no development" ETC... this kind of shows usually really obvious in beginning that it will like that, and easily avoided... |
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| @Kuma Well maybe it is a guilty pleasure... Let me give you a personal example I adored Isshuukan Friends (anime) so much that I started to read the manga and even though the title is One-week friend and I knew from experience and the title big hint *wink… wink* that the probabilities of having a resolution in the love department was pretty slim that didn’t stop me from raging Lol! reacting to the story saying: why they didn’t have more lovey-dovey moments and Yada, yada… The same can be applied to others... what I’m trying to say is that even if the anime/manga have a slow pace Mangaka-san or the studio can make more lovey-dovey moments without ruining/compromising their work (examples: hugs, grabbing a hand, helping each other, phone conversation, patting the girl/boy on the head, hang out with mutual friends… heck it is simple as making both of them interact like normal people) before you like a person you need to know her/him, we all can agree with that… but in some of this slower pacing series they don’t interact at all they avoid each other like the plague and that I think is what bother some people who read/watch this genre. Even if you got into a series and you know by experience that the show is going to drag the pace there is so much that Mangaka & studio can do to avoid the... person who reads/watcher is getting bored to death by this slow progression. |
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| Cause these slow progressing romances usually are interrupted for dumb things, like someone walks in a room or so nervous they can't talk. Its only so much of this some can take. |
Kuma said: Pullman said: There's a difference between slow progression (Kimi ni Todoke) and no progression (Nisekoi and similar romcoms). Just saying. Slow progression can be great, no progression has not much appeal to me in terms of romance so these kind of shows need to keep me hooked for other reasons (mainly comedy). both are them are same in my eyes but kind of progression that different... kimi no todoke and nisekoi beginning is excelent... they are developing both of their character with steady progression and continuity, and then both of them tossing what make it good in first place... if nisekoi with rushed pairing wars (starting with yui engagment arc), kimi no tododke starting with 3rd wheel character drama (that blonde guy that got interest on sawako, still love other side character) Yeah, I never read Kimi no Todoke, so I guess I can't comment on that one. I guess there was a good reason it fell out of favor. But at least it isn't harem crap, where some characters' relationships are pretty much guaranteed only "fake" (Ha!) progress (Butler girl, onodera imouto, tachibana, and such. Because they simply aren't the favored "ships," and never will be. |
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| Well, I'm just gonna say that slow progression is better than no progression at all. I can be patient, albeit I find myself frustrated along the way. |
| <------------- Took 7 volume and more for some girls to realize their feeling and even more to confirm it's mutual. I'm fine with that. Just because it's romance doesn't mean that you have to throw love word all the time. You don't need to have excessive physical contact either. Just flow naturally is all I need even if it take time to do so. |
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| I'm afraid that any anime that takes its time is going to cliffhanger on me and never get renewed. I'm usually right about it, too. Plus most romances are slow so I kinda want to see faster ones from time to time. |
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