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Jun 21, 2016 4:09 PM
#1
To the people that like it. I tried to give it another chance and just couldn't like it. I tried to watch "freezing" and it was good at first but I dropped it. I'd say it would have been good if it was just with the main chick and I would have continued watching it. (actually I just watched it cause it was tagged with nudity) |
Jun 21, 2016 4:16 PM
#3
I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu |
Jun 21, 2016 4:17 PM
#4
Because some harems are actually good. As long as they spend significant screen time with the main couple once they are together, Clannad style. I don't see why anyone would like a harem where the MC chooses a girl in the last 1-2 episodes |
Jun 21, 2016 4:20 PM
#5
OneNaughtyBear said: I don't see why anyone would like a harem where the MC chooses a girl in the last 1-2 episodes To give the viewers enough time to choose whichever girl appeals to their fetish. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:23 PM
#6
Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The only time harems are good are if they are based on a visual novel like that one since you can choose one girl. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:23 PM
#7
The reason harem's are so popular A) Usually they come from a visual novel or light novel so people who played/read hype it up even if it's really bad B) Most otakus feel like they can relate to a wimpy MC. Most otakus also wish they were covered in attractive female characters. And thus, wet dreams were born. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:23 PM
#8
D-ohnuts said: But what's the point if the MC isn't going to choose her. Going by what you said that seems like a great disappointment to that viewerOneNaughtyBear said: I don't see why anyone would like a harem where the MC chooses a girl in the last 1-2 episodes To give the viewers enough time to choose whichever girl appeals to their fetish. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:24 PM
#9
Primarily they're character driven, not necessarily in the mc department but certainly in reference to the females. So a lot of the appeal is finding that one or maybe multiple characters in the show to root for. In addition harem by itself really says nothing about the show except 3+ females are attracted to one guy. I'll just pick a few random examples to give a vague idea. So like comparing R-15 to say Sekirei, or Mangaka-san to Highschool Dxd, there's quite a bit of variety in the genre. As such many of them will have their own appeal and really shouldn't be generalized too harshly. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:27 PM
#10
OneNaughtyBear said: But what's the point if the MC isn't going to choose her. Going by what you said that seems like a great disappointment to that viewer It doesn't matter anyway. I don't think there's any harem shows, at least in recent memory, that don't telegraph whoever the MC is going to choose from the beginning. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:29 PM
#11
cute girls, waifu material.. what's not to like harems come in many flavours, with varying ammounts of comedy, slice of life, drama, romance and action.. the only thing in common is the main cast's gender ratio, and i get that some people dont like that.. maingirlfags might as well watch the inferior romance genre >_> Sorakaa said: this is objectively not trueRidley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The only time harems are good are if they are based on a visual novel like that one since you can choose one girl. many of the highest rated, most popular, and my most favourite harems come from manga and light novel |
Jun 21, 2016 4:29 PM
#12
Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The unsatisfying lack of sex or even kisses, the tired old tropes, the predictable boring plot, the bad dialogue, the mediocre/shitty animation, the complete lack of originality and the bland characters are also characteristics of the genre. Watch Trinity Seven for a somewhat refreshing MC. My favourite harem is probably "How to raise a boring girlfriend" it is self aware, funny and sexy enough to get a pass -it also has good art and animation for a harem show. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:30 PM
#13
While I have not a single clue as to what's the appeal of a harem anime, I know very well the appeal of a harem eroge. It's just so funny seeing multiple girls fight over who gets to sleep with the protagonist or who gets to be the protagonist's legal wife, and many more amusing things. Group sex just makes it so much better. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:31 PM
#14
Harems are liked because the girls are usually attractive, there is often ecchi, and wish fulfillment. An mc who can pull in all the hoes is always better than one who can't get girls or doesn't even try because they are gay or something (One Piece). |
Jun 21, 2016 4:36 PM
#15
i have no idea what so good about harem... its the same thing every times and feels really pointless |
Jun 21, 2016 4:36 PM
#16
BlueBalls said: Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The unsatisfying lack of sex or even kisses, the tired old tropes, the predictable boring plot, the bad dialogue, the mediocre/shitty animation, the complete lack of originality and the bland characters are also characteristics of the genre. Watch Trinity Seven for a somewhat refreshing MC. My favourite harem is probably "How to raise a boring girlfriend" it is self aware, funny and sexy enough to get a pass -it also has good art and animation for a harem show. ^True that :) Uh huh? I have been meaning to watch it but held back but I guess I will give it a try since the MC is ok. I think Strike the Blood had a good MC too |
Jun 21, 2016 4:36 PM
#17
I personally, can't think about anything good about harem anime series aside is been a good source for waifus. Too cliched, too predictable, the females that always hit the MC just getting on my nerves every time, and also sh*tty dialogues and one-dimensional characters. Yeah, I sometimes watch harem anime but only for the chicks and nothing more than that. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:42 PM
#18
BlueBalls said: Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The unsatisfying lack of sex or even kisses, the tired old tropes, the predictable boring plot, the bad dialogue, the mediocre/shitty animation, the complete lack of originality and the bland characters are also characteristics of the genre. All wrong. Lack of sex is apparent in all types of anime nowadays. Some harems have kisses, some don't. These tired old tropes are always entertaining and are used because they work. Plot isn't boring. Only thing predictable is the girl he chooses or that he won't but that definitely doesn't ruin the anime. Dialogue is often funny or average like in just about every other anime. Animation is good and more often better than most. They have to make the babes look good like they did in Triage X. If you are looking for originality look elsewhere. While there are many original harems such as in Utawarerumono if that one counts, there are also unoriginal ones but it's still what many people like to see. A tsundere and that ojou-san are always interesting to me. Bland characters? Only sometimes like in all the other genres. In real life some people don't have as much personality as you want to see in anime. Whether you like harems is up to your taste but don't lie. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:46 PM
#19
Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu You don't know how wrong you are. Try isekai no seikishi monogatari, Hagure Yuusha, Yusibu, and Demon King Daimao. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:47 PM
#20
What I really don't get is why people even watch harem anime. You can play harem eroge and get exactly the same thing you wanted in the first place, and there are actual progress in the relationship between the protagonist and his harem, including quite a bit of sex scenes. Threesome and group sex are common in harem eroge. And there are also cute icha icha, and sex with your favorite girl of the harem alone is also there. |
Jun 21, 2016 4:51 PM
#21
BadSuns said: BlueBalls said: Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu The unsatisfying lack of sex or even kisses, the tired old tropes, the predictable boring plot, the bad dialogue, the mediocre/shitty animation, the complete lack of originality and the bland characters are also characteristics of the genre. All wrong. Lack of sex is apparent in all types of anime nowadays. Some harems have kisses, some don't. These tired old tropes are always entertaining and are used because they work. Plot isn't boring. Only thing predictable is the girl he chooses or that he won't but that definitely doesn't ruin the anime. Dialogue is often funny or average like in just about every other anime. Animation is good and more often better than most. They have to make the babes look good like they did in Triage X. If you are looking for originality look elsewhere. While there are many original harems such as in Utawarerumono if that one counts, there are also unoriginal ones but it's still what many people like to see. A tsundere and that ojou-san are always interesting to me. Bland characters? Only sometimes like in all the other genres. In real life some people don't have as much personality as you want to see in anime. Whether you like harems is up to your taste but don't lie. I could write a script for a Harem anime that would be better than 99% of the rubbish available. The average harem anime is simply laughably bad. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:03 PM
#22
I don't know why either I find them boring. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:03 PM
#23
boobs. thats why XD and butts too! we musn't forget those. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:10 PM
#24
Arcofdream said: What I really don't get is why people even watch harem anime. You can play harem eroge and get exactly the same thing you wanted in the first place, and there are actual progress in the relationship between the protagonist and his harem, including quite a bit of sex scenes. Threesome and group sex are common in harem eroge. And there are also cute icha icha, and sex with your favorite girl of the harem alone is also there. Because harem eroge games is very difficult to been get outside from Japan and it's easier to watch harem anime outside from Japan because of the Internet. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:15 PM
#25
Well, while most people here give answers like "is fap material for thirsty people"...I say I enjoy harem anime mostly for the comedy factor that usually comes with that type of anime, and also cuz of shipping... Also while many harem animes are basically the same, there are a good number of them that is able to add a little "something" that allows them to stand out from the others, even if just a little...Just look at Monster Musume, that shit is a freaking Ecchi/Harem with freaking monster girls...... So basically, if you enjoy the comedy that the anime provides, and like shipping characters, then harem anime are a good contender of enjoyment for you...NUFF SAID! Oh and another thing...people here are mistaking Harem for Ecchi too much...I know they come hand in hand and are usually used together, but they're not the same, so saying stuff like "cuz of boobs and butts/fanservice" is not really valid... |
HyperLJun 21, 2016 5:49 PM
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Jun 21, 2016 5:18 PM
#26
It's fap material for thirsty people. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:21 PM
#27
Ecchi_Hater_9000 said: It's fap material for thirsty people. Did you just copied my my statement or this was just a coincidence? Also Harem =/= Ecchi... |
You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:25 PM
#28
I'm not the biggest harem fan, however i can see some features that most people might like. Harems are more character base and have a wide variety of female (or in some cases male -Ouran Koukou Host Club) characters with very diferent personalitys. It also might be fun to see who the MC will end up with in the end. While i personaly find most harems to be rather boring, shows like Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai are still pretty good to watch imo. |
Jun 21, 2016 5:31 PM
#29
Sorakaa said: To the people that like it. I tried to give it another chance and just couldn't like it. I tried to watch "freezing" and it was good at first but I dropped it. I'd say it would have been good if it was just with the main chick and I would have continued watching it. (actually I just watched it cause it was tagged with nudity) OP, You mentioned Freezing which I think it tries to be kind of serious, am I wrong? I'd like to state that, IMO, Harem and serious plot hardly works...Harem is the kind of stuff that goes better along with comedy and SoLs, where the harem can be used as a contender for Jokes and Funny moments...When there's no comedy involved they kind of lose its value... |
HyperLJun 21, 2016 6:08 PM
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Jun 21, 2016 5:34 PM
#30
HyperL said: Ecchi_Hater_9000 said: It's fap material for thirsty people. Did you just copied my my statement or this was just a coincidence? Also Harem =/= Ecchi... I copied it. Couldn't help myself. But I do agree, the appeal of harem I believe comes from the antics between the various love interests. Their jealousy can lead to some hilarious moments. I don't think a harem without that comedic value would make much sense. That said, the only half-decent harem I've ever watched is Tenchi Muyou, so I don't really know... |
Jun 21, 2016 5:35 PM
#31
Now that's a thing a cannot understand...boobs are sexy, butts are sexy, thighs and legs are sexy, a bunch of stuff are sexy......now foots? WTF? Where's is the sexyness in them? |
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Jun 21, 2016 5:36 PM
#32
There's plenty of variety in the harem genre. Whilst it is plagued by many generic and clichéd additions, the same can be said for most genres, especially the more popular ones. The appeal for the most part stems from the great female casts that you get, as well as the occasional endearing relationships between them. I would highly recommend Rokujouma no Shinryakusha?! because it's a fuckin' awesome harem series. It's certainly a step above the rest. The male MC isn't really the main focus, which immediately sets it apart - instead, they all come together because they're fighting over a room for their own reasons. It's funny, the cast is great (Yurika is <3) and it's free from a lot of the bullshit that plagues other typical harem anime. @NeoAnkara can explain this one better than me though. There's stuff like Yusibu too. It's got healthy amounts of fanservice without having to throw it in your face every 5 seconds. The cast of characters is great, and the main girl Fino is especially adorable. Fino and her interactions with the MC Raul are so endearing and heart-warming; it came just one step short of being an actual relationship. It also maintains a slice-of-life feel to itself. Colourful, light-hearted and funny. Even the token tsundere character isn't that bad (and I don't tend to enjoy them). Then there's the really heavy fanservice ecchi series, like MonMusu and To Love Ru. They're just filled to the brim with sexual stuff and tons of attractive girls. They're usually funny to an extent and have massive casts, so you're guaranteed to find a girl in there that you'll like. You don't need to worry about following a plot because you can just sit back and enjoy what's happening. There's no half-arsed fanservice that only goes so far; no holds barred is the way forward. Many times they go one step short of being hentai so you get a nice best of both worlds compromise. Shoutout to the Monogatari series too, because at its core it's a highschool harem series where MC-kun saves everyone! Which sounds generic as they come, but its execution is oh-so-unique. It's an amazingly written series and disproves the notion that all harems are shitty, clichéd and full of shitty prose. It's a great example of how there are exceptions to every stereotype. Honestly, the amount of hate harems get is disproportionate. Most genres are filled with generic stuff that just follows a checklist that previous series of that type has done but harem series in particular seem to be slated the most for doing so, yet anime like Boku no Hero Academia gets a free pass because muh superheroes! (I enjoy BnHA, FWIW). |
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Jun 21, 2016 5:36 PM
#33
Well, as someone who considers harems to be his favorite genre, I feel like I can give a decent answer to this. Even as someone who loves the genre, not all harems are necessarily good. I don't really enjoy them for the pure fap material nor do I enjoy them for any kind of wish fulfillment. I don't really enjoy them for the story, either, but I don't think anyone who likes the genre puts a huge emphasis on that if I'm being honest, even though I hardly speak for every harem fan. A lot of harems I've seen have a lot to appeal to me, though, and I don't mean just breasts or fanservice or what have you - I like the atmosphere. I don't find many that I think is a chore to watch nor do I think I feel particularly drained by even the ones that take themselves rather seriously. I find the generally lewd sense of humor and focus on character interaction and dynamic to be rather enjoyable because they do an excellent job of just taking my mind off of things in my life that I find to be stressful instead of just hammering me with something about how harsh reality is or some kind of philosophical matter. In the off-chance they try for something like that it's not really ever something I can take seriously so I don't find it stressful. I guess I just don't watch them in order for some gripping narrative or strong character development, I just watch them because they're usually great for just sitting back with something to drink and getting some small laughs and seeing some cute girls. Nothing really thought-provoking or deep or anything that I find draining, they tend to just be kind of silly or lighthearted without anything that's going to make me feel bad or something. Something I can just kick back and watch without completely jogging my mind or making me look really deep into it is what I just seek out, really. That's pretty much the entire appeal to me, and I don't think any other kind of entertainment comes close to filling that void as well as harem anime can. |
Jun 21, 2016 6:23 PM
#35
Jun 21, 2016 6:23 PM
#36
I do not like harem anime. Even though my list contains a vast amount of harem anime, I actually watch all of them for the ecchi tag. SO. WITH THAT BIT OF INFO, we can safely deduct that no one actually likes harem anime but people just want the ecchi. |
Jun 21, 2016 7:09 PM
#37
Like most people say, it's mostly for waifu material and wish fulfilment anyway. Ridley_Cruz said: I personally hate harems. The male MC is usually the wimpy kind or the one who is bossed around by boisterous and forceful and aggressive girls. Honestly,the only harem worth watching (I've yet to watch it) is Grisaia no Kajitsu There are some other good titles in the genre too(personally I didn't enjoy Kaijitsu). Kami Nomi, Oreshura and Rokujouma are harem titles. |
Jun 21, 2016 7:13 PM
#38
Jun 21, 2016 7:19 PM
#40
What can I say, I like cute girls dancing around in Sailor Suits. ^^ Harems provide both cute waifu's, and fan-service. Which both I love. |
Jun 21, 2016 8:35 PM
#41
Girls with big boobs and mannerisms of an underdeveloped 5 year old. That's the appeal. Neeeext question!! |
Jun 21, 2016 9:25 PM
#42
Jun 21, 2016 9:29 PM
#43
I don't like it. Mamster-P is pretty good at saying why he likes it though. I'm kinda surprised he hasn't shown up here yet. |
Jun 21, 2016 9:32 PM
#44
MechaGuy said: I don't like it. @Mamster-P is pretty good at saying why he likes it though. I'm kinda surprised he hasn't shown up here yet. LOL i saw this thread like 4 seconds after you mentioned me i like it cause of the multiple girls..... i don't know what else to say.... i don't generally pay attention to male characters, so yea, not that there aren't anime with male characters that i really like so i don't care about "self insertion" cause like i said, the guy is pretty obsolete to me |
Jun 21, 2016 9:33 PM
#45
To me, sometimes the comedy. Though it starts getting repetitive and boring, and now that I've growed I have the feel that I'm too old for this whenever I try to watch one. The only exception may be Monogatari Series, though I don't consider it a harem per se. |
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Jun 21, 2016 9:56 PM
#46
Well, I'm a pretty typical heterosexual man, so I figure I'm kind of the target audience for this kind of show, and therefore my opinion should be pretty average. So with that in mind, here are my thoughts: 1. It's every man's fantasy. Men are inherently polygamous. We're just hard-wired that way. Yes, men can be perfectly happy married to a single woman all their lives, but that's despite our nature and not because of it. 2. Harems are usually accompanied by ecchi and fanservice. Men like to see naked women, or at least scantily-clad women. That's why most visual porn caters to men. (Interestingly enough, most verbal porn caters toward women, but that's a different discussion altogether) 3. The wimpy harem MC gives viewers an easy way to live their fantasies vicariously. Despite the unfairness of the stereotype that portrays anime viewers as horny nerds living in their parents' basement, there are a lot of anime viewers who really are horny nerds living in their parents' basement. A wimpy or nerdy main character is a stand-in for the viewers, a kind of caricature. There's some self-deprecating humor that allow the viewers to laugh at themselves, but at the same time, there's also a bit of wish-fulfillment going on. After all, if Yuuki Rito or Yukinari Sasaki can get the girls, then there's hope for me too. In fact, the theme of most harems is that you don't have to do anything to get a harem. Girls like men who are entirely passive. You know, the kind of man who sits around watching anime all day instead of going out and actively trying to look for a girlfriend. 4. Harems play to the fantasy of getting girls who are out of your league. This explains the "girls beating up on the guy" trope. The idea is that the girls are strong, at least stronger than the hero. This makes them "better" than the hero, so in getting them interested in him, in a way he's "conquering" a more powerful enemy, achieving a great victory. Yes, I know that just because a girl beats up a guy doesn't make her strong, but again it's a caricature. In short, harems cater to the fantasies of nerdy males. Who make up a significant portion of the anime-watching demographic. |
Jun 21, 2016 9:59 PM
#47
I tend to like them more when the harem is a sub-plot, instead of being the main plot. |
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Jun 21, 2016 10:00 PM
#48
You watch it, you enjoy it. Nothing more to be said. .. And a true good harem expends on all girls equally so you'll have trouble picking one |
Jun 21, 2016 10:01 PM
#49
Sorakaa said: To the people that like it. I tried to give it another chance and just couldn't like it. I tried to watch "freezing" and it was good at first but I dropped it. I'd say it would have been good if it was just with the main chick and I would have continued watching it. (actually I just watched it cause it was tagged with nudity) My answer to this like always: I like harem because I like watching anime. I'd rather watch a harem over GoT since its the medium I like. |
Jun 21, 2016 10:02 PM
#50
story is not my frst priority to enjoying anime. as long as have bunch of girl with cute appearance and comedy, i think i can enjoying it |
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