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Jun 19, 2016 10:55 AM

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Deknijff said:
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Actually no, it's about the boundary of fiction and reality too.
what do you mean no? It's in the title of the thread
sexualized lolis in Japan
of title can mean the content then MAL shouldn't have add the content feature, you should read it. I'm asking more than sexualized lolis.
Jun 19, 2016 10:58 AM

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Bobby2Hands said:
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So are you against sexualize lolis? then please tell us the reason.
Thanks

I'm not against it, it just creeps me out.
i hoep you can explain why on that matter too.
Thanks.
Jun 19, 2016 10:58 AM

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Kofrine said:
But non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli.


Meh, looks a little lame, but fuck it I'll try it out.

Bourmegar said:

so the Age of Consent is 13 but you are not Allowed to have sex then right? Only if both ppl are 20yrs or older then there is no problem right?

Pretty much.

People forget that you can't simply look at age of consent laws when it comes to sexual acts or relationships in different countries, because there are usually laws that make it illegal to engage in these sexual acts even when both people have consented.
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Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM

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Kofrine said:
Deknijff said:
what do you mean no? It's in the title of the thread
sexualized lolis in Japan
of title can mean the content then MAL shouldn't have add the content feature, you should read it. I'm asking more than sexualized lolis.
can you rephrase that maybe? I'm not understanding what you're saying
Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM

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zal said:
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I never said that. I included the exception there you know :
How about this
You guys say for yourself, do you guys feel anything when you see naked wee children running around?
NO. In fact, you just Crack a joke at them.

It's the same for everyone.
Doesn't it imply that no one feels anything for naked children?
I was talking on behalf of everyone who isn't a Pedo how hard is it for you to get?
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Err..no. Nigerian here.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/185851-fact-check-nigerias-sexual-offences-bill-stipulates-18-years-not-11-years-as-age-of-consent.html

It's a case of poor wording where some choose to interpret it in their own way but the Nigerian age of consent is 18.

Of course, how effectively the laws are carried out is another matter.

I'm assuming you got it from here
fiiuu

i'm actually relieved to hear that

edit: you're right, that's where i got it. sorry for my lack of double checking


Nah it's alright. It's kind of the website's fault.

Having sex with a twelve year old here would put you on the front pages of the newspapers lol.
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How about, OP, you shut the fuck up.
They are everywhere, deal with it.
And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm?
Keep in mind that anime is not real, its fictional...it all comes down to that.
If u mention lolis, why not mention shotas as well?
Jun 19, 2016 11:01 AM

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AxBattler said:
Anime != Real life.

People who can't make that difference are the one's needing help.

Because if you believe that people into lolis (and to be honest, people like them for different reasons/different ways you can't even brush them with the same brush - I know girls who like lolis because they are moe) are paedophiles in the making, then enjoying some action anime/Hollywood movies would be someone who is delinquent/murderer in the making. That's stupid.
yea, that's your trump card right? but haven't you heard philosophy book with fiction story can change person's POV? it's not right off the mark here.
Jun 19, 2016 11:02 AM

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@lasterrending I like how people just straight up ignored your post. I agree with it, though.

I think people use Pedophile too much as a "buzz-word" without thinking about the implications of the allegation, or what the true definition of pedophile, is. I don't know about you, but i'm pretty sure being a pedophile is one of the worst things you can possible be. In Prison, Pedophiles are generally treated worse than mass-murderers. Thus, when the word gets thrown around for things that honestly doesn't fit, I don't think people realize the gravity of the insults they're throwing around.
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Kofrine said:
End said:


If people were easily affected by something so sinister like that, getting the grasp wasn't even try to help. Even if you're discussing it farther, nothing ever contributed to the society. Get an understand and such? come on freaks will never care.
your answer is just like dodgint the real question. good moral fiction can affect people then why does the bad one cant?


Everything is possible so of course it can. The question is how likely it is to happen and whether you blame the crazy person who shapes their reallife actions based on cartoons or if it's dangerous enough to start taking precautions against the material that 'influenced' that hypothetical person. And the answer always has to be no to the latter because the implications for every other field would be enormous if we started actively pursuing what basically amounts to thought crimes. Nobody in their right mind would want thought crimes to be an actual thing even if they stupidly say they support it when it comes to lolis and whatever. They're just not aware of the consequences if we actually started letting thought crimes be a thing.

So yeah, everything can influence everything in theory, in good or bad ways, but that is no basis to ban or criminalize anything. People who are in a state of mind where they let rl decisions be influenced by what they see in cartoon porn would very likely pose a danger to society sooner or later anyway so the focus should be on helping those individuals to regain their sanity instead of blaming a piece of fiction for how fucked up people base their rl actions on it.

At the end of the day there isn't, never has been and never will be a convincing argument as to why we should shift blame from a conscientious human being making decisions to act a certain way in real life based on whatever the fuck he chooses to base his actions on, to a few pages of paper that have no decision.making properties of their own. It's not how morality works. You can't take responsibility away from human agents and give them to objects.
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Z-Dante said:
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How about this
Doesn't it imply that no one feels anything for naked children?
I was talking on behalf of everyone who isn't a Pedo how hard is it for you to get?
It was kinda hard to understand that since you didn't write it until now.
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Jun 19, 2016 11:04 AM

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kamisama751 said:
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I get some of your points, @op, but what I don't get is why you think this idea is exclusive to Japan?

@OP got mentioned once again... @OP where are you. We need you. :D
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Jun 19, 2016 11:06 AM

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Robiiii said:
How about, OP, you shut the fuck up.
They are everywhere, deal with it.
And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm?
Keep in mind that anime is not real, its fictional...it all comes down to that.

If u mention lolis, why not mention shotas as well?
I and others have already said that Rob but OP doesn't get it. But you do bring up a good point about Shotas. They need love too!
Jun 19, 2016 11:07 AM

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Nigami_Shin said:
Thread "Lolicon=Pedophile? Number #52865235

only a heartless person can say no to those eyes

or if you actually read the content then it's not the only case.
Jun 19, 2016 11:09 AM

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Z-Dante said:
Just when I though loli threads were non-existent... WTF?

I like my lolis sexualised. Got a problem with that?



Lolis are meant to be cute. Since when cuteness is a crime? And being cute looking doesn't mean they're sexualised.

Loli is love, Loli is life!

Get better taste plebs! Yukinon best waifu
but haven't you see the image from first few post? that's isnt cute but sexualization.
Jun 19, 2016 11:12 AM

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Kofrine said:
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Just when I though loli threads were non-existent... WTF?

I like my lolis sexualised. Got a problem with that?



Lolis are meant to be cute. Since when cuteness is a crime? And being cute looking doesn't mean they're sexualised.

Loli is love, Loli is life!

Get better taste plebs! Yukinon best waifu
but haven't you see the image from first few post? that's isnt cute but sexualization.


What sexualization would you deem acceptable? Why is sexualization in fiction a problem when the characters themselves have, and need no agency?
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I am a loli-con, i like them lolis. However, not once, have i ever been attracted to an actual little girl in real life that was pre-pubescent. I'm 18 by the way, and have been a "loli-con" since i was 13. you could say that i just still like what i liked then.
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HaXXspetten said:
Let's be honest, you'd have to be fucking sterile to say no to this
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile?
Jun 19, 2016 11:14 AM
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Kofrine said:
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Let's be honest, you'd have to be fucking sterile to say no to this
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile?
The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbing
Jun 19, 2016 11:15 AM

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AltoRoark said:
What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...?


Anyway:

Fapping to images of sexualized children = pedophilia

HOWEVER,...

Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= raping or molesting a child

I rest my case.
hey, i'm not only taking about loli and pedo here, read my post.
Jun 19, 2016 11:16 AM

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Illyricus said:
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What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...?
It's a loli thread, what you expected to begin with?
why do you guys talk like this is a gernal loli thread? I'm using loli as example since it's easier, it's more of fiction and reality boundary.
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Kofrine said:
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Let's be honest, you'd have to be fucking sterile to say no to this
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile?


Whose to say that she just doesn't have Growth Hormone Deficency and is actually 32 years old.

You do know that such a condition exists in real life, and here is a famous example: HERE

Are you saying that you have to "look" of age in order to have a consenting sexual relationship? I've known many people in college that looked pretty young, Hell, when i was 21, If i shaved i looked 16. I'm almost 26, but if i'm shaved, I'll get carded because i still look like i'm ~20.
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Kofrine said:
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Anime != Real life.

People who can't make that difference are the one's needing help.

Because if you believe that people into lolis (and to be honest, people like them for different reasons/different ways you can't even brush them with the same brush - I know girls who like lolis because they are moe) are paedophiles in the making, then enjoying some action anime/Hollywood movies would be someone who is delinquent/murderer in the making. That's stupid.
yea, that's your trump card right? but haven't you heard philosophy book with fiction story can change person's POV? it's not right off the mark here.


but that's a fucking stupid comparison if I've ever seen one. Where do I even begin with pointing out how utterly retarded it is?

1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them.
2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any.

Comparing fiction with the intent to make you fap to it to actual philosophical words with the intent to teach you about the world makes little to no sense. The same basic ability of humans to combine the activites of them fapping to a 2D loli and them not raping reallife children without it being the dilemma of their lifetime also allows them to approach different things differently.

Philosophy is approached with the intent of learning, porn is approached with the intent of fapping, food is approached with the intent of eating and the toilet is approached with the intent of shitting and pissing there. Of course you can say 'But people approach their food to eat it, how can you know they don't approach kids to eat them too????' (another variation of 'but philosophy teaches humans so porn obviously does the same' and think that's a clever argument, but in reality it's just not. It's just pretending humans don't have any tools to discern context and adjust their mindset accordingly. If someone lacks that basic ability they are the ones who need help and not the fictional material they happened to read while in that unusual state of mind.
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FontSize72LOL said:
Kofrine said:
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile?
Whose to say that she just doesn't have Growth Hormone Deficency and is actually 32 years old.
You do know that such a condition exists in real life, and here is a famous example: HERE
Are you saying that you have to "look" of age in order to have a consenting sexual relationship? I've known many people in college that looked pretty young, Hell, when i was 21, If i shaved i looked 16. I'm almost 26, but if i'm shaved, I'll get carded because i still look like i'm ~20.
I know the pain man. If I shave they don't let me into the movie theater of movies with the PG 15 mark
Jun 19, 2016 11:22 AM

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Robiiii said:
And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm?
Comparing a lesser evil with a greater evil doesn't make the lesser evil less evil though. For example if faced with the choice of dying or having to cut a hand I would prefer having a hand cut but it doesn't mean that cutting a hand is good or that is something that I want. I just chose the lesser evil.
So what is the point of comparing the sexualization of lolis to paedophilia? Showing that it is not the worst thing to do? That doesn't solve anything.
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lasterrending said:
AltoRoark said:
What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...?


Anyway:

Fapping to images of sexualized children = pedophilia

HOWEVER,...

Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= raping or molesting a child

I rest my case.


You might not want to rest your case just yet. As I mentioned in 3 or 4 of the previous threads just like this one:

Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= pedophilia. In fact, fapping to images of sexualized real children =/= pedophilia.

Look up the clinical definition of pedophilia. In order for it to be pedophilia, a person has to be primarily attracted to children. Key word: primarily.

Do you know what they call someone who's occasionally attracted to children? They don't. There's not a word for it. The only conclusion I can think of is that it's not abnormal enough to give it a name.

So what does this have to do with anime? It means that people who watch shows with sexualized lolis aren't necessarily pedophiles. You might be able to make that argument if they're obsessed, but even then, you have to take into consideration that anime girls are designed specifically to be overly-cute, overly-idealized simulations of the real thing. Someone with a fetish for cartoon lolis isn't necessarily attracted to young girls in real life. Is it possible? Sure. There probably is some overlap. But it's by no means a sure thing.

So then we have to come to the conclusion that lolicon anime isn't even necessarily targeted at pedophiles. It's really just a fetish, no worse than sexy maid outfits, or "bad girls" or monster girls. Hell, there are plenty of shows that glorify incest. In Japan, they're far more liberal in their entertainment. They make shows about every fetish imaginable, no matter how ridiculous. This is the country that popularized, if not invented, tentacle rape porn.

So why single out lolicon anime in particular? It has far less to do with Japanese culture than it has to do with Western culture. We've chosen, for whatever reason, to demonize anything that might in any way be related to pedophilia. You could argue whether that's good or bad. That's not my point. My point is that in order to understand lolicon, you first have to question your own objection to it in the context of your cultural background.

Or to put it another way, why do you think "Lolicon should be banned!" when you think of lolicon anime, but when you think of tentacle rape hentai you think, "Ha ha! Those crazy Japanese!"

Wierd. I just looked up the definition of pedophile and what it said was, "a person who is sexually attracted to children."

But I'm not saying that simply getting turned on by a loli is enough to label you as a pedo. There's nothing abnormal about getting turned on by somethiing deliberately portrayed as sexual. So it would require more than just "it turned me on".

And you say that lolis are idealized versions of the real thing. Meaning the are idealized versions of children. Someone with a fetish for lolis would undoubtably have a thing for any real thing looking similar.


And finally, I never said that lolicon sould be banned.
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Deknijff said:
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But non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli.
how good for lolicons they have rule 34 if that is the case
but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.
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HaXXspetten said:
Kofrine said:
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile?
The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbing
why? that picture is a child.
...........
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Kofrine said:
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The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbing
why? that picture is a child.
...........
no it's not. It's a loli. Learn the difference.
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AltoRoark said:

And you say that lolis are idealized versions of the real thing. Meaning the are idealized versions of children. Someone with a fetish for lolis would undoubtably have a thing for anything real thing looking similar.


And finally, I never said that lolicon sould be banned.


You're assuming that the people cant seperate reality and fiction. Gender-bender and Monster Girls are some of my biggest turn ons, but i'm not going to have a sex change in order to get off IRL. My tastes IRL are COMPLETELY different than it is in fictional material. You're also not taking the context of the fantasy in account. Who knows, maybe the lolicon identifies with/as the little girl, and wish they were the little girl? Most lolicon doesn't even come close to emulating real life, you might as well be talking about a mythical creature like pixies and fairies. What do you think of people fapping to those?
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AltoRoark said:
lasterrending said:


You might not want to rest your case just yet. As I mentioned in 3 or 4 of the previous threads just like this one:

Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= pedophilia. In fact, fapping to images of sexualized real children =/= pedophilia.

Look up the clinical definition of pedophilia. In order for it to be pedophilia, a person has to be primarily attracted to children. Key word: primarily.

Do you know what they call someone who's occasionally attracted to children? They don't. There's not a word for it. The only conclusion I can think of is that it's not abnormal enough to give it a name.

So what does this have to do with anime? It means that people who watch shows with sexualized lolis aren't necessarily pedophiles. You might be able to make that argument if they're obsessed, but even then, you have to take into consideration that anime girls are designed specifically to be overly-cute, overly-idealized simulations of the real thing. Someone with a fetish for cartoon lolis isn't necessarily attracted to young girls in real life. Is it possible? Sure. There probably is some overlap. But it's by no means a sure thing.

So then we have to come to the conclusion that lolicon anime isn't even necessarily targeted at pedophiles. It's really just a fetish, no worse than sexy maid outfits, or "bad girls" or monster girls. Hell, there are plenty of shows that glorify incest. In Japan, they're far more liberal in their entertainment. They make shows about every fetish imaginable, no matter how ridiculous. This is the country that popularized, if not invented, tentacle rape porn.

So why single out lolicon anime in particular? It has far less to do with Japanese culture than it has to do with Western culture. We've chosen, for whatever reason, to demonize anything that might in any way be related to pedophilia. You could argue whether that's good or bad. That's not my point. My point is that in order to understand lolicon, you first have to question your own objection to it in the context of your cultural background.

Or to put it another way, why do you think "Lolicon should be banned!" when you think of lolicon anime, but when you think of tentacle rape hentai you think, "Ha ha! Those crazy Japanese!"

Wierd. I just looked up the definition of pedophile and what it said was, "a person who is sexually attracted to children."


He's right tho. It's not pedophilia, as in not a psychological condition, if the attraction isn't exclusive or at least very primary with pretty much nothing else doing it for you. If you just fap to lolis among other fetishes and character designs it's just that - a fetish (for sexualized drawings with particular features). And one you would probably have never developed if you didn't happen to encounter it in the anime fandom. That's far from being the quasi-medical condition that is pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a term for a sexual preference, as in a fetish you kinda enjoy. It's a medical term.
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1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them.
it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'

2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any.
But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.

It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad morality or point of view (of course you can say bad is subjective and sexualized a child isnt bad for you but i think that's different debate).
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Kofrine said:
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The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbing
why? that picture is a child.
...........


try fucking that picture and you'll see why we think it's an absurd conclusion. Unlike you we don't need to try to fuck a picture to know it's not gonna happen. We know that. We just focus on what it is about from the start: fapping. Pretty sure he was just talking about people being unable to fap to an image like that.
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Kofrine said:
1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them.
it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'

2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any.
But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.

It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral.


Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl?

If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction.
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Don't you think it is quite pretentious to say that? I don't think you can speak on behalf of everyone.
Wut? You get turned on by seeing real naked children? >.>

Somebody call the police! We got a real pedo here!



Jokes aside, summoning @LoliNeko5 here,
Go teach these plebs a lesson...

I would but they are just not worth my time ....

As long as people don't realize that in most cases Loli=/=kid ( and even in cases where it is, we have to take in consideration that 2D =/= 3D ) these threads will keep coming =___=

Kids are just that --- kids. They are stupid, immature, do not know how to behave or take responsibility and it's our's job (well the adults that is) to take care of them and make "people" out of them.
That's just how the wold works...

On the other hand, Lolis (most of the time) are mature girls who are "childish" in appearance only.
They are meant to be liked by the average anime fan ( you'll forgive me for avoiding the "O-" word) by giving him the character they like into a visually appealing and unusual (of sorts) body that makes them all the more appealing.
Some people don't see or don't want to see the appeal of Lolis.
Some people don't care...
A lot of people, however, do find them appealing.
And when they do, they buy stuff..
And when they buy stuff, the people who make them are encouraged to make more...
And when they are making more, this increases the popularity, which in turn increases the amount of people who like Loli, which in turn increases sales, which in turn...you get it already...

If you like Loli then kudos to you!
If you don't then just avoid them and don't go shitting on other people's tastes
Just find something you like and talk about that instead.
The world is a bad place enough without you bringing more negativity to it...

And now, at the end, I'll just leave a quote from a very good YouTube-er that I encourage you all to check out
MistyChronexia said:
Little girls are like math --- if they are under 13 you do them in your head


Good night, and peace!
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Deknijff said:
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why? that picture is a child.
...........
no it's not. It's a loli. Learn the difference.
it's represented as a child.
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Kofrine said:
it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'

But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.

It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral.


Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl?

If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction.
it is , it isnt about what has shown on the screen but what it represents as, and it represents as the child.
Jun 19, 2016 11:43 AM

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I think what he means is that the only reason we don't find children sexy is because we were socially programmed like that. I don't know...
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Kofrine said:
FontSize72LOL said:


Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl?

If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction.
it is , it isnt about what has shown on the screen but what it represents as, and it represents as the child.


So if i draw a stick figure, with a stick penis getting stuck into another stickfigures stick butthole, label them as being 13-14 years old, is that truely representing a child?
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It's a loli thread, what you expected to begin with?
why do you guys talk like this is a gernal loli thread? I'm using loli as example since it's easier, it's more of fiction and reality boundary.
It's not that I think that you have created a loli thread, but MAL has an... special way to turn threads like this into loli ones. You are seeing the results now.
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no it's not. It's a loli. Learn the difference.
it's represented as a child.
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Yeah fine think so then but there is still a difference. Like how a vampire in anime wouldn't be considered a real vampire
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how good for lolicons they have rule 34 if that is the case
but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.


btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559
https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect

There are tons of those floating around too. Even my lolicon self has been appalled by that sexualization because I always saw the NNB characters more as actual kids than lolis and never viewed them in a sexual light.

Sexualizing every loli is not cool, I need my innocent and cute and non-sexualized lolis in s-o-l stuff too. I'd totally be fine with the sexualizations of lolis being limited to doujins and hentai etc... But then I generally like a solid separation between what I fap to and what I watch for normal entertainment.
I probably regret this post by now.
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FontSize72LOL said:
Kofrine said:
it is , it isnt about what has shown on the screen but what it represents as, and it represents as the child.


So if i draw a stick figure, with a stick penis getting stuck into another stickfigures stick butthole, label them as being 13-14 years old, is that truely representing a child?
how will majority see it? if majority see it as you said then yes. if not then no.
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If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis.

Because, let's face it, they fit the description.
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If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis.

Because, let's face it, they fit the description.


there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait


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Pullman said:
Kofrine said:
but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.


btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559
https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect

But that's not from author. not as an author message right? i never saw that so i'm not sure about it. if this is from author then i'm sorry, and i'll include NNB in my sexualized loli list too.


Sexualizing every loli is not cool, I need my innocent and cute and non-sexualized lolis in s-o-l stuff too. I'd totally be fine with the sexualizations of lolis being limited to doujins and hentai etc... But then I generally like a solid separation between what I fap to and what I watch for normal entertainment.
but can you speak the same for million other users here? generally they like sexualized loli, which is why it sell and maybe the cause of that hug pillow too.
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Wensbane said:
If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis.

Because, let's face it, they fit the description.


there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait
I guess your signature is wrong then xD
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Kofrine said:
Pullman said:


btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559
https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect

But that's not from author no as an author message right? i never saw that so i'm not sure about it. if this is from author then i'm sorry, and i'll include NNB in my sexualized loli list too.


no; most dakimakuras aren't from the license owner


but did your father touch you or why do you have such a big problem with it?


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Nigami_Shin said:
Wensbane said:
If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis.

Because, let's face it, they fit the description.


there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait


Apparently a guy got arrested for downloading rule 34 pictures of Bart and Lisa. Be careful what you keep in your hard drive, that's all I'm gonna say...
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Honestly I can't help but feel like the people who keep asking these kinds of questions are much closer to being pedophiles than those who straight-up admit that they like lolis. I mean seriously how insecure do you have to be in order to be worried about all this shit? The fact that you're seemingly so convinced that lolis are supposed representations of real like kids only suggest that you're the one who's having some serious difficulty separating fiction from reality. In that case the only potential child predator here is yourself. On the other hand if you can actually see the attractive points of lolis and publically admit to those feelings, then you're clearly suggesting that you're not thinking of them as anything more than something that belongs purely in the realm of fiction, and therefore that you're completely harmless
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