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Jun 19, 2016 10:55 AM
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Deknijff said: of title can mean the content then MAL shouldn't have add the content feature, you should read it. I'm asking more than sexualized lolis.Kofrine said: what do you mean no? It's in the title of the thread Deknijff said: zal said: Well I seemed to have angered you which was not my intention and I apologize for that. But this is a thread about sexualized lolis so I don't see how the picture does not belong here.Deknijff said: I don't care about what you've seen, I don't care what are your fetishes, I don't care about that image. What I care is that I don't want to see that kind of image where it is not its place. If I wanted to see that kind of image I could search it on my own or go to a forum/club/website that is about lolis and NSFW images. This is not the place to share that kind of images so AT LEAST put them under spoilers so the people that want to read this thread can have the possibility to avoid the images.Kofrine said: I don't know what else I could say to you man. This is not a hard issue. 2D is 2D and 3D is 3D it's as simple as that. People can clearly see the difference. Just because I like tentacle Hentai doesn't mean I want to see real women get raped by tentacles. Deknijff said: But those drawing is intrepet as kid, real kid. it isn't about what has shown on the screen but the content/idea/message that it conveys.@Kofrine Why would I be lying to myself? I don't think that image is a bad representation of real children because it's not real kids. People can clearly see the difference I don't think using kids for sex will become a mainstream thing in the future honestly. We've advanced past that. @zal Honestly I've seen more intense things than that so it looks safe in my eyes sexualized lolis in Japan |
Jun 19, 2016 10:58 AM
#202
Bobby2Hands said: i hoep you can explain why on that matter too.I'm not against it, it just creeps me out. Thanks. |
Jun 19, 2016 10:58 AM
#203
Kofrine said: But non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli. Meh, looks a little lame, but fuck it I'll try it out. Bourmegar said: so the Age of Consent is 13 but you are not Allowed to have sex then right? Only if both ppl are 20yrs or older then there is no problem right? Pretty much. People forget that you can't simply look at age of consent laws when it comes to sexual acts or relationships in different countries, because there are usually laws that make it illegal to engage in these sexual acts even when both people have consented. |
Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM
#204
Kofrine said: can you rephrase that maybe? I'm not understanding what you're sayingDeknijff said: of title can mean the content then MAL shouldn't have add the content feature, you should read it. I'm asking more than sexualized lolis.Kofrine said: Deknijff said: Actually no, it's about the boundary of fiction and reality too.zal said: Well I seemed to have angered you which was not my intention and I apologize for that. But this is a thread about sexualized lolis so I don't see how the picture does not belong here.Deknijff said: I don't care about what you've seen, I don't care what are your fetishes, I don't care about that image. What I care is that I don't want to see that kind of image where it is not its place. If I wanted to see that kind of image I could search it on my own or go to a forum/club/website that is about lolis and NSFW images. This is not the place to share that kind of images so AT LEAST put them under spoilers so the people that want to read this thread can have the possibility to avoid the images.Kofrine said: I don't know what else I could say to you man. This is not a hard issue. 2D is 2D and 3D is 3D it's as simple as that. People can clearly see the difference. Just because I like tentacle Hentai doesn't mean I want to see real women get raped by tentacles. Deknijff said: But those drawing is intrepet as kid, real kid. it isn't about what has shown on the screen but the content/idea/message that it conveys.@Kofrine Why would I be lying to myself? I don't think that image is a bad representation of real children because it's not real kids. People can clearly see the difference I don't think using kids for sex will become a mainstream thing in the future honestly. We've advanced past that. @zal Honestly I've seen more intense things than that so it looks safe in my eyes sexualized lolis in Japan |
Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM
#205
zal said: I was talking on behalf of everyone who isn't a Pedo how hard is it for you to get?Z-Dante said: How about thiszal said: Z-Dante said: So according to what you said previously there are no people attracted to children. But that's not true which contradicts your other comment that you speak the absolute truth.zal said: I Can! Jokes aside, Jokes aside do you think you can talk on behalf of everyone? Because I speak the absolute truth! And those who do not agree with me, you can label them as Pedos whenever you want And those who do not agree with me, you can label them as Pedos whenever you want You guys say for yourself, do you guys feel anything when you see naked wee children running around? Doesn't it imply that no one feels anything for naked children?NO. In fact, you just Crack a joke at them. It's the same for everyone. |
Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM
#206
Sapewloth said: TheDeadApostle said: fiiuuSapewloth said: HaXXspetten said: holy fucking shitSapewloth said: It's actually 12 in the Philippines though lolBourmegar said: it's fourteen, you creep .............Mamster-P said: There's nothing wrong with sexy lolis and if u can't tell that real children don't look like that then Idk what to see Real ppl and some characters do not look alike -____- It's like they don't know that the age of Consent in Japan is like around 12 yr. i mean, why? for what purpose? it's not like it could even render the issue of child prostitution moot, since prostitution there isn't even legal to begin with (at least to my knowledge) edit: i've looked it up a bit and apprently it's 11 in Nigeria. fucking omg Err..no. Nigerian here. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/185851-fact-check-nigerias-sexual-offences-bill-stipulates-18-years-not-11-years-as-age-of-consent.html It's a case of poor wording where some choose to interpret it in their own way but the Nigerian age of consent is 18. Of course, how effectively the laws are carried out is another matter. I'm assuming you got it from here i'm actually relieved to hear that edit: you're right, that's where i got it. sorry for my lack of double checking Nah it's alright. It's kind of the website's fault. Having sex with a twelve year old here would put you on the front pages of the newspapers lol. |
OduduwaJun 19, 2016 11:11 AM
Jun 19, 2016 10:59 AM
#207
How about, OP, you shut the fuck up. They are everywhere, deal with it. And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm? Keep in mind that anime is not real, its fictional...it all comes down to that. If u mention lolis, why not mention shotas as well? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:01 AM
#208
AxBattler said: yea, that's your trump card right? but haven't you heard philosophy book with fiction story can change person's POV? it's not right off the mark here.Anime != Real life. People who can't make that difference are the one's needing help. Because if you believe that people into lolis (and to be honest, people like them for different reasons/different ways you can't even brush them with the same brush - I know girls who like lolis because they are moe) are paedophiles in the making, then enjoying some action anime/Hollywood movies would be someone who is delinquent/murderer in the making. That's stupid. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:02 AM
#209
@lasterrending I like how people just straight up ignored your post. I agree with it, though. I think people use Pedophile too much as a "buzz-word" without thinking about the implications of the allegation, or what the true definition of pedophile, is. I don't know about you, but i'm pretty sure being a pedophile is one of the worst things you can possible be. In Prison, Pedophiles are generally treated worse than mass-murderers. Thus, when the word gets thrown around for things that honestly doesn't fit, I don't think people realize the gravity of the insults they're throwing around. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:02 AM
#210
Kofrine said: End said: your answer is just like dodgint the real question. good moral fiction can affect people then why does the bad one cant?Kofrine said: End said: Not just about lolis if you actually read what i wrote, I want to discuss about fiction that can affect person POV, personality, way of life etc.Wall of text about lolis and pedo, why you're trying so hard? If people were easily affected by something so sinister like that, getting the grasp wasn't even try to help. Even if you're discussing it farther, nothing ever contributed to the society. Get an understand and such? come on freaks will never care. Everything is possible so of course it can. The question is how likely it is to happen and whether you blame the crazy person who shapes their reallife actions based on cartoons or if it's dangerous enough to start taking precautions against the material that 'influenced' that hypothetical person. And the answer always has to be no to the latter because the implications for every other field would be enormous if we started actively pursuing what basically amounts to thought crimes. Nobody in their right mind would want thought crimes to be an actual thing even if they stupidly say they support it when it comes to lolis and whatever. They're just not aware of the consequences if we actually started letting thought crimes be a thing. So yeah, everything can influence everything in theory, in good or bad ways, but that is no basis to ban or criminalize anything. People who are in a state of mind where they let rl decisions be influenced by what they see in cartoon porn would very likely pose a danger to society sooner or later anyway so the focus should be on helping those individuals to regain their sanity instead of blaming a piece of fiction for how fucked up people base their rl actions on it. At the end of the day there isn't, never has been and never will be a convincing argument as to why we should shift blame from a conscientious human being making decisions to act a certain way in real life based on whatever the fuck he chooses to base his actions on, to a few pages of paper that have no decision.making properties of their own. It's not how morality works. You can't take responsibility away from human agents and give them to objects. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM
#211
Z-Dante said: It was kinda hard to understand that since you didn't write it until now.zal said: I was talking on behalf of everyone who isn't a Pedo how hard is it for you to get?Z-Dante said: zal said: I never said that. I included the exception there you know :Z-Dante said: So according to what you said previously there are no people attracted to children. But that's not true which contradicts your other comment that you speak the absolute truth.zal said: I Can! Jokes aside, Jokes aside do you think you can talk on behalf of everyone? Because I speak the absolute truth! And those who do not agree with me, you can label them as Pedos whenever you want And those who do not agree with me, you can label them as Pedos whenever you want You guys say for yourself, do you guys feel anything when you see naked wee children running around? NO. In fact, you just Crack a joke at them. It's the same for everyone. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:04 AM
#212
kamisama751 said: Sorry But real life happens, though i'm back now.KonaKoffee said: I get some of your points, @op, but what I don't get is why you think this idea is exclusive to Japan? @OP got mentioned once again... @OP where are you. We need you. :D |
Jun 19, 2016 11:06 AM
#213
Robiiii said: I and others have already said that Rob but OP doesn't get it. But you do bring up a good point about Shotas. They need love too!How about, OP, you shut the fuck up. They are everywhere, deal with it. And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm? Keep in mind that anime is not real, its fictional...it all comes down to that. If u mention lolis, why not mention shotas as well? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:07 AM
#214
Nigami_Shin said: or if you actually read the content then it's not the only case.Thread "Lolicon=Pedophile? Number #52865235 only a heartless person can say no to those eyes |
Jun 19, 2016 11:09 AM
#215
Z-Dante said: but haven't you see the image from first few post? that's isnt cute but sexualization.Just when I though loli threads were non-existent... WTF? I like my lolis sexualised. Got a problem with that? Lolis are meant to be cute. Since when cuteness is a crime? And being cute looking doesn't mean they're sexualised. Loli is love, Loli is life! Get better taste plebs! Yukinon best waifu |
Jun 19, 2016 11:12 AM
#216
Kofrine said: Z-Dante said: but haven't you see the image from first few post? that's isnt cute but sexualization.Just when I though loli threads were non-existent... WTF? I like my lolis sexualised. Got a problem with that? Lolis are meant to be cute. Since when cuteness is a crime? And being cute looking doesn't mean they're sexualised. Loli is love, Loli is life! Get better taste plebs! Yukinon best waifu What sexualization would you deem acceptable? Why is sexualization in fiction a problem when the characters themselves have, and need no agency? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:13 AM
#217
I am a loli-con, i like them lolis. However, not once, have i ever been attracted to an actual little girl in real life that was pre-pubescent. I'm 18 by the way, and have been a "loli-con" since i was 13. you could say that i just still like what i liked then. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:13 AM
#218
Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:14 AM
#219
Kofrine said: The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbingAre you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:15 AM
#220
AltoRoark said: hey, i'm not only taking about loli and pedo here, read my post.What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...? Anyway: Fapping to images of sexualized children = pedophilia HOWEVER,... Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= raping or molesting a child I rest my case. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:16 AM
#221
Illyricus said: why do you guys talk like this is a gernal loli thread? I'm using loli as example since it's easier, it's more of fiction and reality boundary.AltoRoark said: It's a loli thread, what you expected to begin with?What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:17 AM
#222
Kofrine said: Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? Whose to say that she just doesn't have Growth Hormone Deficency and is actually 32 years old. You do know that such a condition exists in real life, and here is a famous example: HERE Are you saying that you have to "look" of age in order to have a consenting sexual relationship? I've known many people in college that looked pretty young, Hell, when i was 21, If i shaved i looked 16. I'm almost 26, but if i'm shaved, I'll get carded because i still look like i'm ~20. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:17 AM
#223
Kofrine said: AxBattler said: yea, that's your trump card right? but haven't you heard philosophy book with fiction story can change person's POV? it's not right off the mark here.Anime != Real life. People who can't make that difference are the one's needing help. Because if you believe that people into lolis (and to be honest, people like them for different reasons/different ways you can't even brush them with the same brush - I know girls who like lolis because they are moe) are paedophiles in the making, then enjoying some action anime/Hollywood movies would be someone who is delinquent/murderer in the making. That's stupid. but that's a fucking stupid comparison if I've ever seen one. Where do I even begin with pointing out how utterly retarded it is? 1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. 2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. Comparing fiction with the intent to make you fap to it to actual philosophical words with the intent to teach you about the world makes little to no sense. The same basic ability of humans to combine the activites of them fapping to a 2D loli and them not raping reallife children without it being the dilemma of their lifetime also allows them to approach different things differently. Philosophy is approached with the intent of learning, porn is approached with the intent of fapping, food is approached with the intent of eating and the toilet is approached with the intent of shitting and pissing there. Of course you can say 'But people approach their food to eat it, how can you know they don't approach kids to eat them too????' (another variation of 'but philosophy teaches humans so porn obviously does the same' and think that's a clever argument, but in reality it's just not. It's just pretending humans don't have any tools to discern context and adjust their mindset accordingly. If someone lacks that basic ability they are the ones who need help and not the fictional material they happened to read while in that unusual state of mind. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:21 AM
#224
FontSize72LOL said: I know the pain man. If I shave they don't let me into the movie theater of movies with the PG 15 markWhose to say that she just doesn't have Growth Hormone Deficency and is actually 32 years old. You do know that such a condition exists in real life, and here is a famous example: HERE Are you saying that you have to "look" of age in order to have a consenting sexual relationship? I've known many people in college that looked pretty young, Hell, when i was 21, If i shaved i looked 16. I'm almost 26, but if i'm shaved, I'll get carded because i still look like i'm ~20. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:22 AM
#225
Robiiii said: Comparing a lesser evil with a greater evil doesn't make the lesser evil less evil though. For example if faced with the choice of dying or having to cut a hand I would prefer having a hand cut but it doesn't mean that cutting a hand is good or that is something that I want. I just chose the lesser evil. And would u rather see anime lolis being sexualized or real kids? Hmm? So what is the point of comparing the sexualization of lolis to paedophilia? Showing that it is not the worst thing to do? That doesn't solve anything. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:23 AM
#226
lasterrending said: AltoRoark said: What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...? Anyway: Fapping to images of sexualized children = pedophilia HOWEVER,... Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= raping or molesting a child I rest my case. You might not want to rest your case just yet. As I mentioned in 3 or 4 of the previous threads just like this one: Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= pedophilia. In fact, fapping to images of sexualized real children =/= pedophilia. Look up the clinical definition of pedophilia. In order for it to be pedophilia, a person has to be primarily attracted to children. Key word: primarily. Do you know what they call someone who's occasionally attracted to children? They don't. There's not a word for it. The only conclusion I can think of is that it's not abnormal enough to give it a name. So what does this have to do with anime? It means that people who watch shows with sexualized lolis aren't necessarily pedophiles. You might be able to make that argument if they're obsessed, but even then, you have to take into consideration that anime girls are designed specifically to be overly-cute, overly-idealized simulations of the real thing. Someone with a fetish for cartoon lolis isn't necessarily attracted to young girls in real life. Is it possible? Sure. There probably is some overlap. But it's by no means a sure thing. So then we have to come to the conclusion that lolicon anime isn't even necessarily targeted at pedophiles. It's really just a fetish, no worse than sexy maid outfits, or "bad girls" or monster girls. Hell, there are plenty of shows that glorify incest. In Japan, they're far more liberal in their entertainment. They make shows about every fetish imaginable, no matter how ridiculous. This is the country that popularized, if not invented, tentacle rape porn. So why single out lolicon anime in particular? It has far less to do with Japanese culture than it has to do with Western culture. We've chosen, for whatever reason, to demonize anything that might in any way be related to pedophilia. You could argue whether that's good or bad. That's not my point. My point is that in order to understand lolicon, you first have to question your own objection to it in the context of your cultural background. Or to put it another way, why do you think "Lolicon should be banned!" when you think of lolicon anime, but when you think of tentacle rape hentai you think, "Ha ha! Those crazy Japanese!" Wierd. I just looked up the definition of pedophile and what it said was, "a person who is sexually attracted to children." But I'm not saying that simply getting turned on by a loli is enough to label you as a pedo. There's nothing abnormal about getting turned on by somethiing deliberately portrayed as sexual. So it would require more than just "it turned me on". And you say that lolis are idealized versions of the real thing. Meaning the are idealized versions of children. Someone with a fetish for lolis would undoubtably have a thing for any real thing looking similar. And finally, I never said that lolicon sould be banned. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:26 AM
#227
Deknijff said: but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.Kofrine said: how good for lolicons they have rule 34 if that is the caseBut non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:27 AM
#228
HaXXspetten said: why? that picture is a child.The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbing ........... |
Jun 19, 2016 11:30 AM
#229
Kofrine said: no it's not. It's a loli. Learn the difference.HaXXspetten said: why? that picture is a child.Kofrine said: Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? ........... |
Jun 19, 2016 11:31 AM
#230
AltoRoark said: And you say that lolis are idealized versions of the real thing. Meaning the are idealized versions of children. Someone with a fetish for lolis would undoubtably have a thing for anything real thing looking similar. And finally, I never said that lolicon sould be banned. You're assuming that the people cant seperate reality and fiction. Gender-bender and Monster Girls are some of my biggest turn ons, but i'm not going to have a sex change in order to get off IRL. My tastes IRL are COMPLETELY different than it is in fictional material. You're also not taking the context of the fantasy in account. Who knows, maybe the lolicon identifies with/as the little girl, and wish they were the little girl? Most lolicon doesn't even come close to emulating real life, you might as well be talking about a mythical creature like pixies and fairies. What do you think of people fapping to those? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:31 AM
#231
AltoRoark said: lasterrending said: AltoRoark said: What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...? Anyway: Fapping to images of sexualized children = pedophilia HOWEVER,... Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= raping or molesting a child I rest my case. You might not want to rest your case just yet. As I mentioned in 3 or 4 of the previous threads just like this one: Fapping to images of sexualized children =/= pedophilia. In fact, fapping to images of sexualized real children =/= pedophilia. Look up the clinical definition of pedophilia. In order for it to be pedophilia, a person has to be primarily attracted to children. Key word: primarily. Do you know what they call someone who's occasionally attracted to children? They don't. There's not a word for it. The only conclusion I can think of is that it's not abnormal enough to give it a name. So what does this have to do with anime? It means that people who watch shows with sexualized lolis aren't necessarily pedophiles. You might be able to make that argument if they're obsessed, but even then, you have to take into consideration that anime girls are designed specifically to be overly-cute, overly-idealized simulations of the real thing. Someone with a fetish for cartoon lolis isn't necessarily attracted to young girls in real life. Is it possible? Sure. There probably is some overlap. But it's by no means a sure thing. So then we have to come to the conclusion that lolicon anime isn't even necessarily targeted at pedophiles. It's really just a fetish, no worse than sexy maid outfits, or "bad girls" or monster girls. Hell, there are plenty of shows that glorify incest. In Japan, they're far more liberal in their entertainment. They make shows about every fetish imaginable, no matter how ridiculous. This is the country that popularized, if not invented, tentacle rape porn. So why single out lolicon anime in particular? It has far less to do with Japanese culture than it has to do with Western culture. We've chosen, for whatever reason, to demonize anything that might in any way be related to pedophilia. You could argue whether that's good or bad. That's not my point. My point is that in order to understand lolicon, you first have to question your own objection to it in the context of your cultural background. Or to put it another way, why do you think "Lolicon should be banned!" when you think of lolicon anime, but when you think of tentacle rape hentai you think, "Ha ha! Those crazy Japanese!" Wierd. I just looked up the definition of pedophile and what it said was, "a person who is sexually attracted to children." He's right tho. It's not pedophilia, as in not a psychological condition, if the attraction isn't exclusive or at least very primary with pretty much nothing else doing it for you. If you just fap to lolis among other fetishes and character designs it's just that - a fetish (for sexualized drawings with particular features). And one you would probably have never developed if you didn't happen to encounter it in the anime fandom. That's far from being the quasi-medical condition that is pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a term for a sexual preference, as in a fetish you kinda enjoy. It's a medical term. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:33 AM
#232
1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad morality or point of view (of course you can say bad is subjective and sexualized a child isnt bad for you but i think that's different debate). |
Jun 19, 2016 11:33 AM
#233
Kofrine said: HaXXspetten said: why? that picture is a child.Kofrine said: Are you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? ........... try fucking that picture and you'll see why we think it's an absurd conclusion. Unlike you we don't need to try to fuck a picture to know it's not gonna happen. We know that. We just focus on what it is about from the start: fapping. Pretty sure he was just talking about people being unable to fap to an image like that. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:35 AM
#234
Kofrine said: 1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral. Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl? If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:37 AM
#235
Z-Dante said: zal said: Wut? You get turned on by seeing real naked children? >.>Z-Dante said: You guys say for yourself, do you guys feel anything when you see naked wee children running around? NO. In fact, you just Crack a joke at them. It's the same for everyone. Somebody call the police! We got a real pedo here! Jokes aside, summoning @LoliNeko5 here, Go teach these plebs a lesson... I would but they are just not worth my time .... As long as people don't realize that in most cases Loli=/=kid ( and even in cases where it is, we have to take in consideration that 2D =/= 3D ) these threads will keep coming =___= Kids are just that --- kids. They are stupid, immature, do not know how to behave or take responsibility and it's our's job (well the adults that is) to take care of them and make "people" out of them. That's just how the wold works... On the other hand, Lolis (most of the time) are mature girls who are "childish" in appearance only. They are meant to be liked by the average anime fan ( you'll forgive me for avoiding the "O-" word) by giving him the character they like into a visually appealing and unusual (of sorts) body that makes them all the more appealing. Some people don't see or don't want to see the appeal of Lolis. Some people don't care... A lot of people, however, do find them appealing. And when they do, they buy stuff.. And when they buy stuff, the people who make them are encouraged to make more... And when they are making more, this increases the popularity, which in turn increases the amount of people who like Loli, which in turn increases sales, which in turn...you get it already... If you like Loli then kudos to you! If you don't then just avoid them and don't go shitting on other people's tastes Just find something you like and talk about that instead. The world is a bad place enough without you bringing more negativity to it... And now, at the end, I'll just leave a quote from a very good YouTube-er that I encourage you all to check out MistyChronexia said: Little girls are like math --- if they are under 13 you do them in your head Good night, and peace! V </thread > |
Jun 19, 2016 11:39 AM
#236
Deknijff said: it's represented as a child.Kofrine said: no it's not. It's a loli. Learn the difference.HaXXspetten said: Kofrine said: The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbingAre you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? ........... ............. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:41 AM
#237
FontSize72LOL said: it is , it isnt about what has shown on the screen but what it represents as, and it represents as the child.Kofrine said: 1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. 2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral. Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl? If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:43 AM
#238
Jun 19, 2016 11:43 AM
#239
Kofrine said: FontSize72LOL said: it is , it isnt about what has shown on the screen but what it represents as, and it represents as the child.Kofrine said: 1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral. Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl? If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction. So if i draw a stick figure, with a stick penis getting stuck into another stickfigures stick butthole, label them as being 13-14 years old, is that truely representing a child? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:44 AM
#240
Kofrine said: It's not that I think that you have created a loli thread, but MAL has an... special way to turn threads like this into loli ones. You are seeing the results now.Illyricus said: why do you guys talk like this is a gernal loli thread? I'm using loli as example since it's easier, it's more of fiction and reality boundary.AltoRoark said: What in the hell kind of shithole did I just walk into...? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:45 AM
#241
Kofrine said: Yeah fine think so then but there is still a difference. Like how a vampire in anime wouldn't be considered a real vampire Deknijff said: it's represented as a child.Kofrine said: HaXXspetten said: why? that picture is a child.Kofrine said: The fact that you even came to that conclusion is honestly kind of disturbingAre you implying that people who doesnt want to fuck a child is sterile? ........... ............. |
Jun 19, 2016 11:45 AM
#242
Kofrine said: Deknijff said: but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.Kofrine said: But non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli. btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559 https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect There are tons of those floating around too. Even my lolicon self has been appalled by that sexualization because I always saw the NNB characters more as actual kids than lolis and never viewed them in a sexual light. Sexualizing every loli is not cool, I need my innocent and cute and non-sexualized lolis in s-o-l stuff too. I'd totally be fine with the sexualizations of lolis being limited to doujins and hentai etc... But then I generally like a solid separation between what I fap to and what I watch for normal entertainment. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:48 AM
#243
FontSize72LOL said: how will majority see it? if majority see it as you said then yes. if not then no.Kofrine said: FontSize72LOL said: Kofrine said: 1. Philosphy is a SCIENCE. Use of fiction is usually only employed to emphasize very specific parts of the philosophical system you're presenting to the world. That's how people will read those small fiction parts, with the intent of understanding the philosophical system behind it better. Who the fuck graps a loli doujin and approaches it like 'This is gonna teach me about the world!'? The contexts of those two things are so far apart it's ridiculous to compare them. it can subconsciously giving the idea of 'sexualize children is fine as long as majority accept it.'2. Tied to the first point, humans can make decisions based on context, in fact it's what we do all the fucking time. That's why it's normal for people to have a different mindset when watching porn than when reading philosophy. The fact that I apparently need to explain that to you makes me question how much common sense you have, if any. But too much of bad fiction can also lead to bad morality. which is why i present my question in the first place.It's not about porn with solely purpose for sexual gratification here. but the anime fiction(not hentai) but include some bad moral. Loli's aren't Children though. Most of the time they don't even come close to properly depicting a child or actual child-like behaviors. Is an 20 year old who dresses up as a school girl during some light sexual roleplay in the bedroom an actual school girl? If there is anyone in the thread i'm worried about, it isn't the guy jacking off to loli's, its you. Because you obviously cant tell the difference between reality and fiction. So if i draw a stick figure, with a stick penis getting stuck into another stickfigures stick butthole, label them as being 13-14 years old, is that truely representing a child? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:48 AM
#244
If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis. Because, let's face it, they fit the description. |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:53 AM
#245
Wensbane said: If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis. Because, let's face it, they fit the description. there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait |
Jun 19, 2016 11:53 AM
#246
Pullman said: Kofrine said: Deknijff said: Kofrine said: how good for lolicons they have rule 34 if that is the caseBut non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli. btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559 https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect But that's not from author. not as an author message right? i never saw that so i'm not sure about it. if this is from author then i'm sorry, and i'll include NNB in my sexualized loli list too. Sexualizing every loli is not cool, I need my innocent and cute and non-sexualized lolis in s-o-l stuff too. I'd totally be fine with the sexualizations of lolis being limited to doujins and hentai etc... But then I generally like a solid separation between what I fap to and what I watch for normal entertainment. |
KofrineJun 19, 2016 11:57 AM
Jun 19, 2016 11:55 AM
#247
Nigami_Shin said: I guess your signature is wrong then xDWensbane said: If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis. Because, let's face it, they fit the description. there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait |
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Jun 19, 2016 11:55 AM
#248
Kofrine said: Pullman said: Kofrine said: Deknijff said: but rule 34 is for sexual gratification while the work of normal fiction coveys the message from author.Kofrine said: how good for lolicons they have rule 34 if that is the caseBut non non byuri(that's the name rigth?) is a fine stress relieving anime, it has loli but not sexualized loli. btw whoever said NNB is not sexualized has obviously underestimated japan. (NSFW) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anime-DAKIMAKURA-Non-Non-Biyori-Pillow-Cover-Case-Hugging-Body-A-7K-/361516527559 https://www.amazon.com/Biyori-Pillowcase-Miyauchi-Dakimakura-150cmx50cm/dp/B00K16K0LM?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sxp_redirect But that's not from author no as an author message right? i never saw that so i'm not sure about it. if this is from author then i'm sorry, and i'll include NNB in my sexualized loli list too. no; most dakimakuras aren't from the license owner but did your father touch you or why do you have such a big problem with it? |
Jun 19, 2016 11:56 AM
#249
Nigami_Shin said: Wensbane said: If Japan ever institutes a law (like the ones in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.) that makes it "illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old." it would be the end of sexy lolis. Because, let's face it, they fit the description. there are laws like that?! ....oh...wait Apparently a guy got arrested for downloading rule 34 pictures of Bart and Lisa. Be careful what you keep in your hard drive, that's all I'm gonna say... |
Jun 19, 2016 11:57 AM
#250
Honestly I can't help but feel like the people who keep asking these kinds of questions are much closer to being pedophiles than those who straight-up admit that they like lolis. I mean seriously how insecure do you have to be in order to be worried about all this shit? The fact that you're seemingly so convinced that lolis are supposed representations of real like kids only suggest that you're the one who's having some serious difficulty separating fiction from reality. In that case the only potential child predator here is yourself. On the other hand if you can actually see the attractive points of lolis and publically admit to those feelings, then you're clearly suggesting that you're not thinking of them as anything more than something that belongs purely in the realm of fiction, and therefore that you're completely harmless |
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