| So many people on this site don't seem to realize that the reviews they write are actually used by people to decide whether or not they want to watch the show. A review is meant to be written so people can know whether or not a show is worth watching, not to vent frustrations or make people hate it because you hate it. I'm aware this is a somewhat sensitive topic, perfect for trolls. I'm also aware that I will probably be insulted by several different people, as is human nature in this situation. As such, I ask that you message me your insults instead. Messy threads suck. |
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| A poorly written review =/= someone not understanding the point of a review. If someone blindly hates on a show in their review without actually saying why, I'll just ignore it and move onto the next one. But if someone provides reasoning as to why they hate the show and thought it was god awful, then I'll find that very, very useful. I wouldn't say that blind haters don't understand the point of a review; to me it just seems like they aren't very good at actually explaining their reasoning. It's not that they have misunderstood the purpose, it's just that their writing skills are shit most of the time. |
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| If its a blatant reaction from the reviewer's experience, it is not helpful. Most of the time people thought only their opinions matter on a review, and truthfully it is not. |
ItsMaz said: A poorly written review =/= someone not understanding the point of a review. If someone blindly hates on a show in their review without actually saying why, I'll just ignore it and move onto the next one. But if someone provides reasoning as to why they hate the show and thought it was god awful, then I'll find that very, very useful. I wouldn't say that blind haters don't understand the point of a review; to me it just seems like they aren't very good at actually explaining their reasoning. It's not that they have misunderstood the purpose, it's just that their writing skills are shit most of the time. Blind haters were just the example I used. There are plenty of other types of people who truly try using reviews as a form of attention, rather than such. |
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| "This show sucks, the characters are stupid, the plot is recycled every few episodes, the animation is inconsistent, the only reason this trash has 'fans' is because of ecchi moments just thrown in. Don't waste your time watching it, and everyone who told me it was 'best anime ever/my favorite/really good' you all need to watch better stuff" Just because an opinion is negative doesn't mean people can't share it |
Randoll_ said: Reviews are only there to show other people how cool you are Nice proposition you got there. But I choose my cartoons by reading the MAL folks' reviews. |
| after reading others' reviews, i usually check their profiles, see how they rate and reviews other anime. I found out, people who are hateful in their reviews tend to be extremely biased about their anime taste, and give shit score for anime that don't fit their taste |
SilentAnswer said: reviews have more meaning than that..So many people on this site don't seem to realize that the reviews they write are actually used by people to decide whether or not they want to watch the show. A review is meant to be written so people can know whether or not a show is worth watching, not to vent frustrations or make people hate it because you hate it. why don't people understand the purpose of reviews? |
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Okami_doge said: I do the same. Sadly, the same can't be said about everybody. It's always sad when somebody is turned off of a potentially enjoyable show simply because of a misleading review.after reading others' reviews, i usually check their profiles, see how they rate and reviews other anime. I found out, people who are hateful in their reviews tend to be extremely biased about their anime taste, and give shit score for anime that don't fit their taste romagia said: Why not explain your reasoning. I'm open to new opinions.SilentAnswer said: reviews have more meaning than that..So many people on this site don't seem to realize that the reviews they write are actually used by people to decide whether or not they want to watch the show. A review is meant to be written so people can know whether or not a show is worth watching, not to vent frustrations or make people hate it because you hate it. why don't people understand the purpose of reviews? |
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| To conclude, extremism is a bad idea. Interpolate a review from constructive criticism and subjective criticism. Don't let any of them overwhelm the other; don't be extreme on those certain points. |
SilentAnswer said: a review is also meant for people who finished the show to see a different opinionromagia said: Why not explain your reasoning. I'm open to new opinions.reviews have more meaning than that.. why don't people understand the purpose of reviews? or even the same opinion, but better worded these reasons account for most of my review reading |
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romagia said: I agree with that. Even in that case, though, reviews which fall under my initially mentioned premise still don't fit.a review is also meant for people who finished the show to see a different opinion or even the same opinion, but better worded these reasons account for most of my review reading |
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| Reviews are not recommendations. They are personal evaluations. |
BlueKite said: Again, I agree. The point of that personal evaluation, though, is ultimately to let people know if the show is worth watching.Reviews are not recommendations. They are personal evaluations. |
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SilentAnswer said: "Worth watching"might be the wrong term. It's more of a "You may like or enjoy this show whether I personally like it or not"BlueKite said: Again, I agree. The point of that personal evaluation, though, is ultimately to let people know if the show is worth watching.Reviews are not recommendations. They are personal evaluations. |
| Yes, sometimes you want to read the reviews in order to check if a show is worth watching or not and you get spoiled instead. That's priceless. |
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BlueKite said: Correct wording aside...SilentAnswer said: "Worth watching"might be the wrong term. It's more of a "You may like or enjoy this show whether I personally like it or not"Again, I agree. The point of that personal evaluation, though, is ultimately to let people know if the show is worth watching. |
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SilentAnswer said: I do the same. Sadly, the same can't be said about everybody. It's always sad when somebody is turned off of a potentially enjoyable show simply because of a misleading review. People really should read more than just a single review before deciding whether to watch something or not. I personally will always read at least one negative as well as a positive review before deciding whether to watch something, so as to get a fairer idea about what the show is about. The more reviews read, the better. |
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ItsMaz said: 'Should' is the key word here. Think about the negative impression a viewer would get if they got to the page for (blank) and the first four reviews are negative or hate. Every other review could be an overwhelming 10, yet they wouldn't realize it. (I"m aware I went a little off track)SilentAnswer said: I do the same. Sadly, the same can't be said about everybody. It's always sad when somebody is turned off of a potentially enjoyable show simply because of a misleading review. People really should read more than just a single review before deciding whether to watch something or not. I personally will always read at least one negative as well as a positive review before deciding whether to watch something, so as to get a fairer idea about what the show is about. The more reviews read, the better. |
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SilentAnswer said: BlueKite said: Again, I agree. The point of that personal evaluation, though, is ultimately to let people know if the show is worth watching.Reviews are not recommendations. They are personal evaluations. No, no it isn't. The point of that personal evaluation is to evaluate, to explain and analyze your ideas. The review format is just a room MAL offers to extend your thoughts on specific shows. Whether you want to use it as a mean of recommendation/advice or not is entirely your choice. |
jal90 said: While true that you do have the freedom to 'choose' when it comes down to it, that doesn't mean that was it's original intention.SilentAnswer said: Again, I agree. The point of that personal evaluation, though, is ultimately to let people know if the show is worth watching. No, no it isn't. The point of that personal evaluation is to evaluate, to explain and analyze your ideas. The review format is just a room MAL offers to extend your thoughts on specific shows. Whether you want to use it as a mean of recommendation/advice or not is entirely your choice. |
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| I normally decide for or against watching shows based on their synopses and, if possible, after trying three episodes. I only read reviews beforehand if the synopses aren't very clear on what the anime are about and even then, I look at a few of each, the positive as well as the negative reviews. Otherwise, I normally read them only after completing something, to compare my opinions with those of others. Reviews are supposed to include the reviewers' personal opinions and they're perfectly entitled to voice them, if they hate something that much, even they aren't very articulate about it. That said, I feel it's a little idiotic to decide for or against watching something, based solely off a few one-sided reviews. |
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| Any examples of such reviews? As a reviewer, I don't want to just give consumer's advice. I want to make informative reviews that can help you learn something even if you watched the anime, or don't watch anime at all. I try to comment on the techniques and themes the anime has. I want it to be more than just whether to watch it or not. |
| WEAPONS - My blog, for reviews of music, anime, books, and other things |
| I thought reviews are meant to evaluate the work beyond sheer enjoyment, but if you say so... |
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Okami_doge said: after reading others' reviews, i usually check their profiles, see how they rate and reviews other anime. I found out, people who are hateful in their reviews tend to be extremely biased about their anime taste, and give shit score for anime that don't fit their taste This is true. Like for eg someone that don't like harem anime but yet they watch all of them and give them low score. How could I as the reader believe what you are saying, when its practically the same faith all the harem anime get. I would just think that they don't like harem series on a whole. Because there's some harem anime that are actually decent. S |
keragammingDec 13, 2015 11:25 AM
UnoPuntoCinco said: its never to review on enjoyment I thought reviews are meant to evaluate the work beyond sheer enjoyment, but if you say so... a review is far more objective than that, you have to look at animation, art, dialog, story, structure, plot, ect. a review based on enjoyment is basically a useless rant |
Ptrico94 said: "This show sucks, the characters are stupid, the plot is recycled every few episodes, the animation is inconsistent, the only reason this trash has 'fans' is because of ecchi moments just thrown in. Don't waste your time watching it, and everyone who told me it was 'best anime ever/my favorite/really good' you all need to watch better stuff" Just because an opinion is negative doesn't mean people can't share it Well, sure people are free to say that because right to free speech. However, to call that a review is rather... dubious. |
| Because some people write reviews for themselves instead of other people. |
| A great protagonist once said, "It's only overpowered if you can't return the favor!" |
Bayaw said: Reviews are like US Politics, either you choose the filthy Democrat left or the righteous Republican white. No middle grounds |
| Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
| i do realize that. i just don't really care. i'm like this at reviews: unless it's a roasting review. i freaking love those. |
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| Don't get the hate on reviews, I like most of them. |
| I usually go aggressive with my review if I really disliked the show, it's just more fun than trying to write as if I'm in the fucking New York Times. I'll still add things I thought were good/bad, just spice them up a bit so it isn't a chore to read through. |
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| The thing is that as everyone can write a review here, you will have tons or reviews that range from extreme hate to extreme love. Have you read the extreme love ones?, they are naive and stupid. There are also reviews with a lot of "Helpful" that contain phrases like "I give It a 10 because I enjoyed It". |
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UnoPuntoCinco said: I thought reviews are meant to evaluate the work beyond sheer enjoyment, but if you say so... Don't all things contribute to enjoyment? |
| WEAPONS - My blog, for reviews of music, anime, books, and other things |
megamachine said: There are also reviews with a lot of "Helpful" that contain phrases like "I give It a 10 because I enjoyed It". There's nothing wrong with that so long as they also explain what it was that they enjoyed about it. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Like it or not, some things are better than others. When people who are special snowflakes because of parents or society or whatever run into something that makes them feel smaller, they tend to lash out. That happens to a lot of people with anime I noticed, for whatever reason. The biggest ones I notice that with are stuff like Madoka, HxH, and SAO. In the first two instances, it's everyone that says anything bad somehow can't be right, and everyone who says something good about the 3rd can't be right, like, no matter what. I watched all 3 and they didn't seem as amazing as some of the things I've seen, or as annoying. But there's just a lot of people who are like.. I don't know, all I know is whenever I see stuff about those 3 (actually it happens to a lot of others on this site as well), I can't help but basically ignore it. Besides, if people don't understand the "Purpose of reviews," then isn't it either A) The fault of people who should know by now what to expect in reviews and just avoid them or try a different site or something B) The tolerance of certain kind of reviews leading to misleading standards. C) A confusion into what the purpose of reviews should be, leading to threads such as this one. Ultimately, OP, these are all things that can be rectified by people such as yourself. As to my answer to C, reviews are pretty obviously just designed to tell you what is likely to be most fun to watch. People want to watch and engage things are fun, not boring or unfun. |
Kefka1134Dec 16, 2015 2:27 PM
| I agree with most of what you think, but the problem here (or at least what I personally experienced) is that people are sometimes sad with their lives or have nothing to do so whenever they see someone saying that their favorite show is bad they tend to insult you. When I wrote my first (and only) review I had lots of angry fanboys insulting me on my profile, saying I have 'shitty tastes' for not liking their trash show. We all have different opinions and I can't understand how can someone be so upset for something he sees on the internet. I don't really mind when someone insults me, I just block them, haha. Seriously, why would you insult someone when he/she doesn't like your anime? I didn't insult anyone in my review and stated very clearly why I decided to score it that way, but some people don't understand. |
"Doubting everything that you take on... That is very important. Open your own eyes, clear out your ears, and look and listen to the world... And think using your own brain. After you've doubted everything, there is a possibility of something real to believe in. To believe in something, doubt everything." |
Anarchi4 said: I agree with most of what you think, but the problem here (or at least what I personally experienced) is that people are sometimes sad with their lives or have nothing to do so whenever they see someone saying that their favorite show is bad they tend to insult you. When I wrote my first (and only) review I had lots of angry fanboys insulting me on my profile, saying I have 'shitty tastes' for not liking their trash show. We all have different opinions and I can't understand how can someone be so upset for something he sees on the internet. I don't really mind when someone insults me, I just block them, haha. Seriously, why would you insult someone when he/she doesn't like your anime? I didn't insult anyone in my review and stated very clearly why I decided to score it that way, but some people don't understand. I try and take a rather sympathetic position though, I know people who have had special snowflake status because of this or that, and then it kind of breaks up and they usually can't help themselves at least for a time. I don't think anyone wants things to be that way, but it just happens sometimes, so yeah I mostly just kind of try and let it all go. It doesn't even really bother me if people just go and rag on things here and there, I mean, that's just going to happen regardless because not everyone is going to share everything on the internet. But if a place wants to take itself seriously as far as reviews or whatever, or promote things, or something, whatever it is, then they have to take themselves seriously. If a place just is more as a silly venting/fan arguing place, then it's that. It's all about expectations and communication, I think, and the importance of knowing I think on some level you can't really have it both ways. Like I don't mind just watching the reviews scroll by simply as a way to see what people are watching, I wouldn't really mind seeing them as more in depth thing, or even as jokes, but people kind of need to know what's going on here, or at least, if that's not understood, be able to tolerate a wide range of outcomes without the passive laziness of then resorting to angst in forum threads. |
Kefka1134Dec 16, 2015 2:40 PM
SuperGogeta said: Kefka1134 said: Like it or not, some things are better than others. When people who are special snowflakes because of parents or society or whatever run into something that makes them feel smaller, they tend to lash out. That happens to a lot of people with anime I noticed, for whatever reason. The biggest ones I notice that with are stuff like Madoka, HxH, and SAO. In the first two instances, it's everyone that says anything bad somehow can't be right, and everyone who says something good about the 3rd can't be right, like, no matter what. I watched all 3 and they didn't seem as amazing as some of the things I've seen, or as annoying. But there's just a lot of people who are like.. I don't know, all I know is whenever I see stuff about those 3 (actually it happens to a lot of others on this site as well), I can't help but basically ignore it. Besides, if people don't understand the "Purpose of reviews," then isn't it either A) The fault of people who should know by now what to expect in reviews and just avoid them or try a different site or something B) The tolerance of certain kind of reviews leading to misleading standards. C) A confusion into what the purpose of reviews should be, leading to threads such as this one. Ultimately, OP, these are all things that can be rectified by people such as yourself. As to my answer to C, reviews are pretty obviously just designed to tell you what is likely to be most fun to watch. People want to watch and engage things are fun, not boring or unfun. Dislike madoka. It has a reasonably good story but the art wasn't to my liking and a whiny girl showing such grit isn't possible in the a season ppl say the movie ties it in together but its score for the anime and its bad. Love HxH, but it has big flaws and I can understand ppls frustration. Neutral SAO, its average. Could have done with lesser fan service and more level boss fights scenes. Anyone I tell these on these 3 animes come at me with all they've got :lol:. Lol sorry I can't do it anymore with those anime, or even a lot of ones here, tried too hard way back when, though your reviews are pretty nice and short though. =-) Ok Ok, well for the record I gave all 3 6s lol I just couldn't understand them being as good or as fraustrating to be super high or low, which I mention because it sounds like we weren't too far apart necessarily. I kind of wish you could give like decimal scores though, because some are definitely seem like closer to 7s or 6s, or right at 6 or 7 from my experience, wanted to give Madoka and HxH like 6.49s or something, and Evangelion like an 8.55 or something. |
Kefka1134Dec 16, 2015 2:45 PM
SilentAnswer said: Or maybe because those frustrations can be kept in mind when beginning a show so the viewer knows what to look out for if they want to enjoy itSo many people on this site don't seem to realize that the reviews they write are actually used by people to decide whether or not they want to watch the show. A review is meant to be written so people can know whether or not a show is worth watching, not to vent frustrations or make people hate it because you hate it. |
LittleGaoDec 16, 2015 3:54 PM
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| A big problem with reviewers on this site is that a lot of them don't understand what the point of a review is. A lot of reviewers, just as the OP alluded to, use reviews just to bitch and moan about what they liked or didn't like. Reviews are meant to be a critical analysis about an anime's strengths and weaknesses with biases set aside to give the readers a fair critique what makes an anime worth/not worth watching. That isn't to say opinions can't be shared in reviews, but they need to be filtered to the point where it differentiates between liking/hating for personal reasons and liking/hating for logical reasons. When you're writing a review, you have to for the most part set your personal feelings aside and analyze an anime based on how other viewers will see it...not just yourself. I used to write reviews on this site, but I gave up on it for a couple of reasons. The first reason was due to the fact that I didn't have time...but the other was that I didn't feel I could put my own personal biases aside to write effective reviews that would be helpful to prospective anime viewers. I still offer recommendations to those with certain prerequisites, but I will no longer write reviews for the MAL community as a whole. But to get back on-topic, I don't really like the prospect of reading MAL reviews for my first listed reason. There's too many people that over praise how good an anime is and hate on an anime for rather obnoxiously stubborn reasons. Having to deal with that in the MAL forums is tedious enough. |
moodie said: UnoPuntoCinco said: its never to review on enjoyment I thought reviews are meant to evaluate the work beyond sheer enjoyment, but if you say so... a review is far more objective than that, you have to look at animation, art, dialog, story, structure, plot, ect. a review based on enjoyment is basically a useless rant A review is evaluating your enjoyment. You express what you liked, and what you didn't like (without spoiling it of course). Aspects such as story, characters, visuals, etc. all contribute to enjoyment. |
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