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| Loving this already! :D Kobayashi looks adorable ^o^ I think it's alright to have adorable MCs in horror :D Doesn't it make it seem even more horrifying when they're covered in blood? (cough Higurashi cough) Not to sound slightly demented here or anything... I think the gap is awesome though. Especially if they're the ones doing the killing xD It's like how you have children / female ghosts... cause it's more scary if the one involved looks cute and harmless! Looking forward to more interactions between Akechi and Kobayashi ^o^ They seem to be crazy in similar ways :D I feel sorry for Kobayashi's friend, but... pal, your friend is off his rocker and there's no stopping him! So join him for the ride instead :P |
| So.... Having a trap MC is a trend now? Pretty sure this show could go off without having the MC to be a trap or anything. Watching this with zero expectation, and it turned out to be pretty interesting. Not gonna judge more until the 2nd episode though. Also, cat-eared teacher is the kind of teacher we will never get in real life... :( |
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| Great music and characters. Plot-wise I'm not quite sure yet, but it's interesting so far. 4/5 |
| I thought it was really, really mediocre... It tried to be dark, but in the same time featured characters like that new teacher, MC who is a trap and his irritating friend. And the atmosphere wasn't really my cup of tea. I'll do my best trying not to drop it, wish me luck. |
What a beautiful Duwang. |
| Edogawa Ranpo was one of few japanese writers I was quite interested for years. His name, a play on Edgar Allan Poe's name, Edogawa Ranpo was quite a big Poe fan, which showed quite strongly in his detective novels. Ranpo had many influences, but at least for me, his works were mostly reminiscent of E.A.Poe's and A.C.Doyle's works. Edogawa Rampo died in 1965 and it has been 50 years since the end of his life. Ranpo Kitan so far, surprisingly manages to capture quite well that spirit and weirdness, as well as drawing upon Ranpo's inspirations, as even in first episode you can see the elements of works common to A.C.Doyle(ex: the main character being psychologically abnormal person who gets off on this situation, the main character having a normal more logical friend, etc)., combined with E.A.Poe's unsettling atmosphere and insanity. In fact Kobayashi's portrayal draws a lot from elements of Sherlock Holmes character(especially his more flawed side that was more prominently displayed in BBC series Sherlock) and his friend is a typical Watson. Most of characters seem very interesting and unique compared to your typical anime. Kobayashi, is obviously a Sherlock Holmes type of sociopath. The choice to turn everyone Kobayashi finds "boring" into silhouettes when we see his point of view is perfect too - it is summed up by detectives line about perception latter on in the episode too. The detective is akin to that too, while Kobayashi's friend is the "rational guy" with a shady family background. Out of other characters, the new teacher also seems to be interesting with a pretend-personality she puts on and the scars on her wrists indicating a suicide attempt. Its nice to see more quirky and complex characters instead typical anime stereotypes usually present in anime. Great start to one of the shows with most potential this season. 5/5 for this episode. |
AhenshihaelJul 3, 2015 4:45 AM
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| I love the OP, but this episode wasn't that special. |
| Really nice OP and ED. LeFlower-kun said: DAnggg, love the OP and ED song already. This is very visually artistic tbh, love the use of the greying colouring of characters, its like accumulating suspense and can be definitely utilised really well in the later episodes. It also kind of shows how Kobayashi's life is changing from a monotonous and tedious one into one where interesting people begin to appear into this adventure of mystery. At the beginning I didn't like the animation of characters (or just MC to be precise), but I like the story and the artistic touch. Also, am I the only one who didn't find this scary at all? It's pretty much just mystery for me. |
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Shimai_ni said: Also, am I the only one who didn't find this scary at all? It's pretty much just mystery for me. Its not supposed to be? Well not the new age horror at least. ITs in the same vein as HP Lovecraft or EA Poe's writing. MAcabre and haunting, not relying on shock value and instead focusing on tension. |
AhenshihaelJul 3, 2015 5:00 AM
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Shimai_ni said: Also, am I the only one who didn't find this scary at all? It's pretty much just mystery for me. You are not the only one. Probably just another wrongly tagged anime here. I do not feel the horror at all. |
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| Hmm, the art and animation reminds me of AssClass.. *sees that Morita Kazuaki is the one in charge of character design* Oh, so that's why. lol Not yet really liking the MC since it's still episode 1 but I hope there's some development in that aspect. |
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| Don't really like the MC, but for a first ep its pretty decent. OP is pretty good too. I love the silhouette effect to characters that are not important until introduced, pretty interesting. |
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| Anyone noticed Kobayashi has been sniffing his clothes after the teacher hugged him ? |
| Hmm, I don't really care about trap MC. What I didn't like about him was this exactly: Swaggercandy said: Kobayashi is pretty messed up in the head considering he thinks its fun to be a murder suspect. He is 13 years old. And I understand that wanting some fun because your life is boring is acceptable. But this guy is 13 years old and doesn't mind if he'll die during investigation. Because his life is boring. Akeshi is the smartass of the series. Hashiba is an okay guy, I don't really care about him. After seeing the way the murdered teacher was arranged I thought that this might be fun, but next minutes of the show didn't show much. I can only hope for more. OP/ED were okay. Overall, would give 6/10, but I expect something more. |
| Man!, What a disturbing debut/opening episode was this! The animation style was good, I like it!! The Opening song was okayish and the Ending song was just fine. Kobayashi was such a trap. It's not just them (people from school) thinks he's a girl!! Also Kobayashi and Akechi was crime psychopath bastards! Too bad for Hashiba being drag along by this bastards! |
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Takuan_Soho said: 1) The original writer died 50 years ago, so this story is older than 50 years, probably closer to 75 or 80 years old. Once you understand that: 2) The character is as he is in the story. He is a boy that not only looks like a girl, but can pass as one (no spoiler there, the girls in his class already said it). So "traps" are nothing new to Japan, it is not being "forced" on the story, it was always part of the story from 70 years ago. Japanese fiction has always been cool on the idea, its inherent in their love of dark gothic romanticism. Well, this anime is inspired by the works of Edogawa Ranpo, not an adaptation. So, the one who actually wrote this was Makoto Uezu(Ah My Buddha, Akame ga Kill, Apreggio of Blue Steel, etc.). |
Pat_To_Do-ListJul 3, 2015 6:43 AM
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| This is really interesting |
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| I do not think that would a miracle, but the elements although few, we have to build a series interesting. The kind faced, I am passionate, I just hope that is not trivialized. The study Lerche has done a good job, not great, but it is decent; good set design. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Having not read him, I would not know, however I do know that Akechi and Kobayashi are characters from a series of stories by Edogawa, and that Kobayashi being so feminine was part of the original stories and was not something invented because trap characters are "in" now. This particular story then is a pastiche and not an adaption, but that doesn't change what I wrote above. Oh, really? I did not know that. Which one of his stories that featuring a feminine boy like Kobayashi? |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: Takuan_Soho said: Having not read him, I would not know, however I do know that Akechi and Kobayashi are characters from a series of stories by Edogawa, and that Kobayashi being so feminine was part of the original stories and was not something invented because trap characters are "in" now. This particular story then is a pastiche and not an adaption, but that doesn't change what I wrote above. Oh, really? I did not know that. Which one of his stories that featuring a feminine boy like Kobayashi? First appeared in The vampire,(1930). |
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CookingPriest said: First appeared in The vampire,(1930). Is he the exact same Kobayashi just like in this anime? |
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| ...intense first episode looking like a "pure mystery" anime love it |
Pat_To_Do-List said: CookingPriest said: First appeared in The vampire,(1930). Is he the exact same Kobayashi just like in this anime? Except for certain other details(since this seems to be more like a reimagining of those characters like BBC's Sherlock was reimagining of Sherlock Holmes) yes. I don't remember books very well but in some cases, cross-dressing was involved. Again, concepts like that are very common. A lot of writers in this genre use those elements(A lot of E.A. Poe's characters can be interpreted as queer in one way or another). The whole macabre dark gothic detective thriller thing going on usually has those elements( better example of famous pop culture being Twin Peaks). Hell Since Ranpo was heavily inspired by authors like A.C.Doyle and E.A.Poe(Ranpo started his writing carrier by trying to translate AC Doyle's works to japanese), those elements are here too. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Quite a few actually. There are over 9 novels with Kobayashi (and 13 with Akechi). That Kobayashi is adept at posing as a young woman is mentioned here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogoro_Akechi Again, I have not read the novels, but I knew of the writer, and I know his genre very well (dark gothic romanticism). There are similar novels in the US dating back to the 30's as well. Gender bending characters are a norm in them, not an exception. I see. So he's a "pretty boy" character since back then. Then let's hope this Makoto Uezu's "pretty boy" character can be a good protagonist in this anime. |
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| interesting but in my head i kept saying he's a boy in hououin kyouma's voice |
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| Good first episode. Strange how nonchalant they were taking the murder. |
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Okashi_sama said: Man, this is awful. The MC is way too annoying with his attitude. And why the hell did they make him a trap? Ahh, I'm kinda interested in the crime and the real killer though, I think I'll give it a few more episodes. Because Edogawa's Kobayashi also was androgynous |
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| "Most of characters seem very interesting and unique compared to your typical anime." LOL, Baby's first mystery anime..... |
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| I'm probably the only person who isn't fawning over the OP, but great start. I'm going to guess that the new teacher is wearing such a dress because she has cuts all over her body *tilts head towards her 'I have no friends line*. The MC is interesting; nice to see a broken one. =3 5/5 episode, imo. |
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BlurredVision18 said: "Most of characters seem very interesting and unique compared to your typical anime." LOL, Baby's first mystery anime..... I just love random newcommers with half my list size making assumptions about my watching preferences. In last 10 years or so there have been barely if any good "mystery thriller" anime. And if any of them had a decent story it would always involve complete stereotypes OR a clueless MC. So yes characters ARE interesting and un-anime like due to very clear inspirations drawn from the literature of the genre instead of typical japanese popculture. Very clear parallels to western literature can be found instead. There are VERY FEW anime with inspiration drawn in more macabre literature geniuses like E.A.Poe or E.Ranpo, so yes, seeing characters not akin to anime stereotypes IS a breath of fresh air, especially after majority of noitaminA shows in last few years being very MEH. |
AhenshihaelJul 3, 2015 8:31 AM
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| That was pretty interesting, huh. It gave me the impression it was trying really hard to impress the viewers with the nontypical characters(?) and the gore(they really took their time showing the dead teacher and the human chair photos;;) like they were saying: "Hey!! look at this!! it's a very ~cool~ anime, isnt it!!" so im still kinda skepctical. But ok, I'll trust them and hope that all these choices aren't just for show. Like the fact that the MC has very feminine features - I wonder if it'll be relevant to the story, since they're aware of this? Or the teacher- i hope there's a reason besides fanservice for her clothes; are her scars(self-harm?) going to be adressed?? (prob not, she wasnt even in the op sighs) I'll keep watching for now. I guess the characters are a major weakness in this one, and this is something that really turns me off. All of them strike as awfully artificial. Hopefully they'll fix this? Maybe there's more to Kobayashi than a boy that, like many MCs, thinks that his life is boring so he's willing to go whathever direction the plot goes. Maybe. *crosses fingers* The gray silhouettes aren't anything new but it was a good way of showing how Kobayashi views the world, how he only got interested on the teacher after seeing her wrists and such. The scene with the opposition between him and Akechi, too, and how Hashiba was only halfway through the light. I like to see anime directors trying harder than the rest to convey the story/// It's good to see more animes that aren't direct manga/novel adaptations, too. tl;dr: it's screaming EDGY!! to me but nevertheless it seems promising so i'llgive it more episodes. |
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| This was a far better first episode than I expected it to be. I really like the main characters so far. One ep was enough to make me ship them. Kinda like the ED theme, that looked cool. But the OP or other OST wasn't that great, yet. |
Eritia said: The gray silhouettes aren't anything new but it was a good way of showing how Kobayashi views the world, how he only got interested on the teacher after seeing her wrists and such. The scene with the opposition between him and Akechi, too, and how Hashiba was only halfway through the light. I like to see anime directors trying harder than the rest to convey the story/// It's good to see more animes that aren't direct manga/novel adaptations, too. tl;dr: it's screaming EDGY!! to me but nevertheless it seems promising so i'llgive it more episodes. But then why the random girls right outside Akechi's office were not grayed out? I am still confused about that. Yeah, pretty much. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: But then why the random girls right outside Akechi's office were not grayed out? I am still confused about that. Yeah, pretty much. Damn, that's a good question. My guess would be that these women appear in the moment that was meant to simulate Hashiba's point of view (it shows him looking at the rooftop; and then it cuts to the scene with them), not Kobayashi's. But yeah, once again, they were not silhouettes before both entered. Maybe Kobayashi seemed quite interested with them(he paused before going through the door)? lmao i dont think so, it doesnt make sense. (EDIT: or maybe it would, idk. Takuan's opinion seems valid, too.) I think both girls were only there to show how "eerie" the place they were going to looked like, but??? ???? ?? hashiba's POV would be sufficient; they didnt need to appear before that???? ok i guess the director forgot. haha |
EritiaJul 3, 2015 9:17 AM
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| Gotta love grey background characters, totally immerse you into the universe of this anime, as well as being visually pleasing. No but really, it's the first fucking episode, at least make a bit of effort. |
| Trap MC, sigh. But atleast the mystery aspect of the Anime seems interesting. Let's see how it goes. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: Eritia said: The gray silhouettes aren't anything new but it was a good way of showing how Kobayashi views the world, how he only got interested on the teacher after seeing her wrists and such. The scene with the opposition between him and Akechi, too, and how Hashiba was only halfway through the light. I like to see anime directors trying harder than the rest to convey the story/// It's good to see more animes that aren't direct manga/novel adaptations, too. tl;dr: it's screaming EDGY!! to me but nevertheless it seems promising so i'llgive it more episodes. But then why the random girls right outside Akechi's office were not grayed out? I am still confused about that. Yeah, pretty much. Because that was his friend's Point of View - if yo notice he goes into monologue int hat scene. We are not seeing through Kobayashi's eyes there. We are observing Kobayashi via his friend. We see same thing before when the cop is introduced - when the cop is talking outside he and everyone around him is visible - because we are seeing it from his perspective. Once perspective shifts to Kobayashi and the cop is greeting him, everyone is silhouettes. |
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| That quote at the beginning though +_+ This anime is great! I've never seen anything like it. Great first episode, I think the murderer is one of the characters that they'll introduce later on. |
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CookingPriest said: Because that was his friend's Point of View - if yo notice he goes into monologue int hat scene. We are not seeing through Kobayashi's eyes there. We are observing Kobayashi via his friend.. He did not go into a monologue in that scene. He was speaking out loud. Takuan_Soho said: Because Kobayashi was on a case (finding the detective), he would have noticed them because they were in the same building and very close to the target and thus could have some future value in the case. In some ways I think they are not just showing Kobayashi's interest, but also his powers of observation. He sees so much that he has to tune out things that are not essential to him. Sort of like how Holmes said a brain should have just what it needs and nothing more. Remember he saw the cuttings first and then the teacher came into view. So for Kobayashi he sees everything, but only remembers things that are important to the case at hand. Or it could have just been an oversight on the part of the director. I prefer my explanation :-) But if that's the case, then this anime is inconsistent. Because when he was in the class the day after the incident, his classmates still depicted as grey silhouettes. And at that time, he clearly said that the suspect might be one of them. So if what you are saying is true, then his classmates would not have been silhouettes since Kobayashi would have taken notice of the classmates too(because one of them is a possible suspect) just like he's taken notice of some random girls outside Akechi's office in his search for Akechi. So, it's probably the director's fault. |
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| the opening is really great |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: CookingPriest said: Because that was his friend's Point of View - if yo notice he goes into monologue int hat scene. We are not seeing through Kobayashi's eyes there. We are observing Kobayashi via his friend.. He did not go into a monologue in that scene. He was speaking out loud. I am pretty sure "I have never seen Kobayashi taking initiative like this" was a monologue. Also you do not need a monologue to be a POV, see the cop scenes I mentioned. |
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