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Jun 3, 2015 9:54 PM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorachi, you must be kidding me. @_@


Me be like:


Sorachi be like:

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EDIT: Shouyo is definitely OP. Now, what's next
lagba2Jun 4, 2015 12:47 AM

NANDESUKA KORE?
Jun 3, 2015 9:54 PM
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Woah, the boss face finally shows up!
Jun 3, 2015 10:37 PM
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gori author wtf, 0 chill whatsoever
schwabyjrJun 3, 2015 11:13 PM
"People die if they are killed."-Emiya Shirou 2006

"Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right!"-Emiya Shirou 2015

Thanks for the awe inspiring quotes from your anime version Shirou
Jun 4, 2015 12:00 AM
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Ok c'mon ok no this isn't true right let me find a time machine nope. **** is still alive?! Tell me it's his brother or son or stalker who had plastic surgery. Poor Joy3 T.T Gintoki omg I cannot imagine what he is feeling right now and I don't want to and arghhhh rage.
Jun 4, 2015 12:49 AM
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this guy must be anything but Shouyou-sensei...
Jun 4, 2015 1:49 AM
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My reaction: WHAAAT!!!
With the mask he looks like an old geezer but under the mask it's SHOYO
"Everyone fails sometimes
But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade
Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose
Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning"

~Aqours~
Jun 4, 2015 2:10 AM
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I'm sorry but I refuse to accept this telenovela level plot twist.
Jun 4, 2015 2:18 AM
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Now I can't wait for the explanation how this is possible.
But awesome fight, loved how they all fought together to take him down.
Jun 4, 2015 7:27 AM
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Utsuro definitely is not Shouyo. Don't think Sorachi would do such a thing.
Jun 4, 2015 7:39 AM

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But in the past Gintoki cut his own sensei's head, he had to be dead for fucking 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000% sure...
Jun 4, 2015 9:22 AM

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And Sorachi did it.. wai meng. Wai yu do diz.
Jun 4, 2015 9:26 AM
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Can't wait to see how exactly the Gorilla is gonna explain this s**t.....
Jun 4, 2015 12:53 PM

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I guess it has something to do with sensei's past, long before he met Gintoki. Maybe he came from some kind of amanto race or whatever.

Sorachi, give us a reason to believe this!
"Having someone saying you're okay as you are and being needed by that person... It was nice to have someone like that..." — Taiga Aisaka
Jun 4, 2015 1:20 PM

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Damn it,Sorachi seems seriously intend to end his Manga.

I mean, of course i didn't want that. it just I can't no longer think how they will return to "usual Gintama'' after all of this.
Jun 4, 2015 2:30 PM
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Sakata_Kintoki said:
Damn it,Sorachi seems seriously intend to end his Manga.

I mean, of course i didn't want that. it just I can't no longer think how they will return to "usual Gintama'' after all of this.


Time skip incoming... I think. Since Shoyo/Utsuro whatever is only one of the tendoshos and I can imagine them getting PISSED over losing 1 battle. Sinpachi being pissed for not being able to do jack, kagura apparently not being able to use her body, etc. I think time skip is perfect in this situation.
Jun 4, 2015 2:55 PM

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bang-bang said:
I'm sorry but I refuse to accept this telenovela level plot twist.


+ 1. There was no need for this.

Looks like he can't recognize Gintoki, but remembers when they used to train.

Maybe its just Shouyou's head those amantos transplanted to someone.

Still Sorachi shouldn't have gone this way, all that greatness we heard about Sensei is now gone, just why go this way...

Hope he got a way to explain all this in the upcoming chapters.
Jun 4, 2015 3:55 PM

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Those emotions for Gintoki, great scene.

But the twist I'm not sure of yet, we need to see what's really happening.
Jun 4, 2015 3:57 PM

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Wow Sorachi...just wow.

Can't wait to see how this will be explained.
Jun 4, 2015 4:23 PM
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bang-bang said:
I'm sorry but I refuse to accept this telenovela level plot twist.

Same,but still I liked it how Gin didn't hesitate to cut down Utsuro.
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Levical said:
bang-bang said:
I'm sorry but I refuse to accept this telenovela level plot twist.

Same,but still I liked it how Gin didn't hesitate to cut down Utsuro.
He did hesitate though, that's part of why Kagura and Sougo were there to wake him up.
Jun 4, 2015 4:39 PM

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This cant be Shoyo........ Sorachi is not stupid like Kishimoto or Hiro.

I hope so.
Jun 4, 2015 4:40 PM

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please Gorilla-sensei, you have a good explanation for this right? please don't ruin Shouyo's image ;____;
Jun 4, 2015 5:36 PM

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Eeeeh~ a new chapter?

Eeeeh~ Gintoki unmasked the Tendoushu?

Hooooo~ it looks a lot like shoyo sensei...

Hmmm~? It is shoyo sensei....

Shoyo....

Sensei...

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Let us just hope Gorilla Mangaka-san will reveal things accordingly....
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Jun 4, 2015 5:57 PM
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YorozuyaGinSan said:
Levical said:

Same,but still I liked it how Gin didn't hesitate to cut down Utsuro.
He did hesitate though, that's part of why Kagura and Sougo were there to wake him up.
He was stab when he first saw utsuro's face, so it would be normal to stop moving for a second when hit.
Jun 4, 2015 8:29 PM

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For a second I thought its Shouyo sensei, he just resemble Shouyo.

Jun 4, 2015 9:58 PM

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Gorilla GORILLA omg you frickin gorilla
Jun 4, 2015 10:28 PM

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Jun 4, 2015 10:31 PM

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Levical said:
YorozuyaGinSan said:
He did hesitate though, that's part of why Kagura and Sougo were there to wake him up.
He was stab when he first saw utsuro's face, so it would be normal to stop moving for a second when hit.
What's normal isn't really the point here. They wouldn't have included Kagura and Okita regardless if they wanted to prove the point Gin had no hesitation or remorse in cutting down who appeared to be his teacher.
And that would be a really weird and uncalled for twist to his character.

How I take it is that he needed a moment to come to his senses and realize his priorities, that regardless of who stood before him he needed to cut them down because they were a threat.
Jun 4, 2015 10:33 PM

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im still shaking..SOrachi WTFF ??
Jun 5, 2015 12:07 AM

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JUST WTF?!? *Speechless....
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Jun 5, 2015 1:37 AM

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then

"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."
Jun 5, 2015 5:09 AM

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Is this chapter even real?
Jun 5, 2015 5:39 AM
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You're Not ALLOWED to do this you friggin guerrilla! Go back to your cage and stop spouting your non-sense!

On a more serious note, I really did like the chapter but my brain is still rattled by the revelation station being created. I-I just don't know what to think. I'll be optimistic though and assume this will just add to the bad assery that Gintama is so I give this chapter a rating of 10/10 Kelp :)
Jun 5, 2015 6:00 AM

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Gintoki didnt seem surprised
Jun 5, 2015 6:37 AM

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Sure this kind of got my head backwards. then again, Like most people say I"m sure this is not the same Shouyo, at least not the one that raised Gintoki. I mean Gintoki called him a ghost or something and slayed him without doubts.

But I really hope that Our dear Gorilla will explain about what the hell this mean...
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Jun 5, 2015 7:36 AM
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After I read this chapter, I felt like my whole life was a lie. Never been trolled this hard from reading a manga, not even the "Big 3" shonen manga came close to this.

Putting that aside, contrary to popular opinion, I actually wish that the guy is really Shoyo; provided that Sorachi-sensei gives us an acceptable explanation. That would be total mindf*ck, if it's not already is.
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Woah what. Sensei is still alive or maybe that's his brother? O_O
Jun 5, 2015 9:36 AM

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I think I got something on my eye. Teardrops are falling from my eyes. WTH is this sorcery? :(((
Jun 5, 2015 10:02 AM

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies
Nor is it to cut away your own weakness
A sword isnt meant to protect your body
A sword is meant for protecting your soul"
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Yoshida Shōin had a brother so let's hope at least he is Utsuro. Which still doesn't make any sense because Utsuro is the first leader of the Naraku so he should be really old, and yet he has such a bishie face.
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So many questions arose just from seeing that face.
Jun 5, 2015 12:30 PM

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Well that was unexpected o_0

We need answers, gorilla-sensei.
Jun 5, 2015 12:46 PM

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In the universe of Gintama, preserving a decapitated head or attaching it onto another body really isn't too outrageous.
Jun 5, 2015 1:01 PM
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Lmao. I all cared about was the "Okikagu" moment when Sougo rushed after Kagura :^)
Jun 5, 2015 1:58 PM

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I said it before and I'll say it again! Thats an alien that used Shoyo's head to troll the Joui samurai's especially Gintoki since they literally fear him. (Humans doesnt survive after getting their head cut off) but this is Gintama so (ME WANT MORE CHAPTERS)
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YorozuyaGinSan said:
In the universe of Gintama, preserving a decapitated head or attaching it onto another body really isn't too outrageous.


This is true. And here's a proof:
Jun 5, 2015 2:52 PM

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After reading the official translation I just realized he was going to cut Gintoki's head right there, if Kagura didn't stop the sword.

Damn.
Jun 5, 2015 6:59 PM

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Ohmygod translations stop coming out earlier than ever before...

OH MY GOD. I THINK MOST OF US HAD A FEELING THAT IT WAS SENSEI BUT ITS STILL REALLY SAD TO SEE THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS.
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Hershel_Layton said:
Yoshida Shōin had a brother so let's hope at least he is Utsuro. Which still doesn't make any sense because Utsuro is the first leader of the Naraku so he should be really old, and yet he has such a bishie face.

*grasps at straws* It's an illusion. It's just genjutsu you see.
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