MAL should merge different seasons (that were meant to air in a split-cour format) in one entry

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julyan said:
There is a reason as to why we split up series in the database as stated here in the Anime DB Guidelines.

a. TV[list][*]If a TV series is split into two parts and at least one season (~12 weeks) falls between the last episode of the first part and the first episode of the second part, the second part will be treated as a second season and the anime will have two entries.

Note: This is to organize currently airing series that have large gaps between seasons so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists (e.g. White Album, Asura Cryin). Thus, if a similar gap occurred with a series that has already finished airing, that entry will not be split now (e.g. Cardcaptor Sakura, Big O).

[*]If there is no gap between seasons, but the continuation of the series is indicated as a separate season with a new title, it will get a second entry. (e.g. Shugo Chara, Shikabane Hime)

"This is to organize currently airing series that have large gaps between seasons so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists "

No problem at all, there are OVAs that stay for years on users lists

"This is to organize"

Putting one more needless entry in people's lists is not organizing, it's needlessly enlarging the lists

I think you guys should make a poll to see what the users think about this

Also, you guys could continue what you're doing and merge them after the series is finished

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May 17, 2015 9:09 PM

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No. I like to rate the seasons separately.

May 17, 2015 10:13 PM

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No. I like to rate the seasons separately.

It's the same thing as rating a 12-episode series by episode 6

May 17, 2015 10:41 PM

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Heck no, I don't want more stuff on watch list/on-hold list cluttering even more than it is. It's fine the way it is.

May 17, 2015 10:53 PM

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i agree with this suggestion, the developers should think of a way to organize the list more then, like why not automatically put all the anime that have airing gaps on another list/column like an "on-hold airing list" or even the on-hold column can be good then when an anime re-airs it will automatically go back to the currently watching list of the users

May 18, 2015 5:57 AM

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vodall said:
No. I like to rate the seasons separately.

Yup, same here. Sometimes a season is better than another.

j0x said:
i agree with this suggestion, the developers should think of a way to organize the list more then, like why not automatically put all the anime that have airing gaps on another list/column like an "on-hold airing list" or even the on-hold column can be good then when an anime re-airs it will automatically go back to the currently watching list of the users

I think we have enough columns, and it works fine. Having separated seasons as they are now isn't exactly overwhelming.

May 18, 2015 8:23 AM

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Check my profile and blogs out. Add what you find important enough to your lists while share the titles of all other database entries in your blog. Makes the lists easier to organize through like that, I agree. You don't really have to put everything MAL has in their database to your list that you have seen. That's stupid.

Add what you find important enough and just record everything else in a blog.

May 18, 2015 2:00 PM

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I agree with the suggestions. Currently MAL's DB and lists are unnecessarily inflated. It's not just split cours, you get separate entries even for OVA episodes, each movie in a series and tons of specials, extras and other rubbish coming with every DVD/BD releases. Even some shorts ads.

Each series should have one entry which would include both the main episodes (even split cours) and all extras. Pretty much like AniDB. It would require a major overhaul but it's necessary if this site is to be functional in the future. Let alone lists, it's already hard to navigate bigger franchises where you have to guess which entry is what and can't get anything out of cluttered "relations".

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EuTenhoBomGosto said:

vodall said:
No. I like to rate the seasons separately.

It's the same thing as rating a 12-episode series by episode 6

No, it isn't. It's still only 1 anime, lol. This is regarding the advantage of having separate entries.

I am against this. As, even though I will agree it does create more entries, it becomes more organized in the process. With the addition of any sequel season, you will be able to know of staff changes, studio changes, airing dates, etc It's hard to find out such info if it's all crammed into one entry, unless we go about it the way ANN does. Put a parenthesis bracket for more info such as, ("xxx xxx : Director S2 onwards").

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May 19, 2015 12:26 AM

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No more all gintama top 10?

Count me in

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I object!
Split-cours are some of the best things that has happened to anime. If Death Note was a split-cour I would've been able to give the first and last halves different ratings.

May 20, 2015 6:47 AM

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Fuck no, not this "sequels" shit again. Stop whinin' about "mah favorite anime is not in Top because of that [title]" thing already.

There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.

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May 20, 2015 7:08 AM

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kitsune0 said:
Fuck no, not this "sequels" shit again. Stop whinin' about "mah favorite anime is not in Top because of that [title]" thing already.

...Did you even read the thread at all? That's not what it was about. Stop whining about nothing.

May 21, 2015 5:36 PM

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I agree with the suggestions. Currently MAL's DB and lists are unnecessarily inflated. It's not just split cours, you get separate entries even for OVA episodes, each movie in a series and tons of specials, extras and other rubbish coming with every DVD/BD releases. Even some shorts ads.

Each series should have one entry which would include both the main episodes (even split cours) and all extras. Pretty much like AniDB. It would require a major overhaul but it's necessary if this site is to be functional in the future. Let alone lists, it's already hard to navigate bigger franchises where you have to guess which entry is what and can't get anything out of cluttered "relations".

Good Post and feedback right here..

Though I merely agree with the Split cours I actually like seeing the relations and if I want to know the movie information or rating etc..

Phraze said:
I object!
Split-cours are some of the best things that has happened to anime. If Death Note was a split-cour I would've been able to give the first and last halves different ratings.

Your post intrigues me.. Well Yeah your right, some anime have a Terrible First half and the second half is extremely great.. But nah I just rather just rate the anime as whole. This seems to all be falling into preference, but for organization purposes (if that's truly the main goal) then Antanaru Made a valid point. So saying

""so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists "" Holds no water for a argument against organization. This is mere preference now. Since splitting an anime in two makes our list more cluttered with information.

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Rasco said:

Antanaru said:
I agree with the suggestions. Currently MAL's DB and lists are unnecessarily inflated. It's not just split cours, you get separate entries even for OVA episodes, each movie in a series and tons of specials, extras and other rubbish coming with every DVD/BD releases. Even some shorts ads.

Each series should have one entry which would include both the main episodes (even split cours) and all extras. Pretty much like AniDB. It would require a major overhaul but it's necessary if this site is to be functional in the future. Let alone lists, it's already hard to navigate bigger franchises where you have to guess which entry is what and can't get anything out of cluttered "relations".

Good Post and feedback right here..

Though I merely agree with the Split cours I actually like seeing the relations and if I want to know the movie information or rating etc..

Phraze said:
I object!
Split-cours are some of the best things that has happened to anime. If Death Note was a split-cour I would've been able to give the first and last halves different ratings.

Your post intrigues me.. Well Yeah your right, some anime have a Terrible First half and the second half is extremely great.. But nah I just rather just rate the anime as whole. This seems to all be falling into preference, but for organization purposes (if that's truly the main goal) then Antanaru Made a valid point. So saying

""so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists "" Holds no water for a argument against organization. This is mere preference now. Since splitting an anime in two makes our list more cluttered with information.

What about the scenario where you watch the first season when it airs, but never continue? Do I just go back and count out those episodes, and add them to my list as dropped? That seems like extra work.

As for including OVAs and specials, that's even harder, as those sorts of things aren't found on many legal ways to watch anime.

Moreso, what if the episode lengths change? This is especially true for specials and OVAs.

A suggestion within a suggestion here: what if you could collapse your list into franchises? Sorta like the small franchises section found on the user home tab in MALgraph before. (It's some other site now, but you get the idea.) This way you can save space while not combining everything into one mess. You can just uncollapse a franchise to show those movies/OVAs/specials/seasons.

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Rasco said:

Good Post and feedback right here..

Though I merely agree with the Split cours I actually like seeing the relations and if I want to know the movie information or rating etc..

Your post intrigues me.. Well Yeah your right, some anime have a Terrible First half and the second half is extremely great.. But nah I just rather just rate the anime as whole. This seems to all be falling into preference, but for organization purposes (if that's truly the main goal) then Antanaru Made a valid point. So saying

""so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists "" Holds no water for a argument against organization. This is mere preference now. Since splitting an anime in two makes our list more cluttered with information.

What about the scenario where you watch the first season when it airs, but never continue? Do I just go back and count out those episodes, and add them to my list as dropped? That seems like extra work.

As for including OVAs and specials, that's even harder, as those sorts of things aren't found on many legal ways to watch anime.

Moreso, what if the episode lengths change? This is especially true for specials and OVAs.

A suggestion within a suggestion here: what if you could collapse your list into franchises? Sorta like the small franchises section found on the user home tab in MALgraph before. (It's some other site now, but you get the idea.) This way you can save space while not combining everything into one mess. You can just uncollapse a franchise to show those movies/OVAs/specials/seasons.

If it never continues? Isn't there usually a update for the anime if it won't continue? Even if it does continue later it could be set as "airing" again. I didn't really consider this scenario, though I only experienced one anime that didn't continue. Or At least It felt like it was a cliffhanger for a ending..

As for The ova's and such, I don't mind them being separated. But yeah those usually do have different running times.

That to me sounds like a good idea; For the anime list. The Anime Pages themselves seem to be fine (since there is a lot of information in them already).

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Replying to the above post(since quoting is a lot of work):
I'm not sure if collapsible lists make it easy to import/export. But I agree with it if it would fix the Completed Anime bar. OVAs and Specials really inflate lists. ... No wait, I prefer entries added to the database according to releases. Even if it inflates lists, that's exactly how Japan is doing it. Very accurate imo.

May 23, 2015 2:06 AM

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Only if they have the same name like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders.

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May 23, 2015 8:37 AM

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Rasco said:

LunarProxy said:

What about the scenario where you watch the first season when it airs, but never continue? Do I just go back and count out those episodes, and add them to my list as dropped? That seems like extra work.

As for including OVAs and specials, that's even harder, as those sorts of things aren't found on many legal ways to watch anime.

Moreso, what if the episode lengths change? This is especially true for specials and OVAs.

A suggestion within a suggestion here: what if you could collapse your list into franchises? Sorta like the small franchises section found on the user home tab in MALgraph before. (It's some other site now, but you get the idea.) This way you can save space while not combining everything into one mess. You can just uncollapse a franchise to show those movies/OVAs/specials/seasons.

If it never continues? Isn't there usually a update for the anime if it won't continue? Even if it does continue later it could be set as "airing" again. I didn't really consider this scenario, though I only experienced one anime that didn't continue. Or At least It felt like it was a cliffhanger for a ending..

As for The ova's and such, I don't mind them being separated. But yeah those usually do have different running times.

That to me sounds like a good idea; For the anime list. The Anime Pages themselves seem to be fine (since there is a lot of information in them already).

No, I don't mean the series no longer continues. I meant you watch season one, and don't watch season two since you didn't like it.

Also, yeah, separate anime pages is nice. Publishers and staff change often (for example, Spice & Wolf S1&2), and sometimes there's huge gaps in time (Durarara!! x2).

I think having the list sorted by franchises would cover the complaints in this thread, while still keeping things as they are in the database.

May 23, 2015 9:06 AM

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I just don't rate anything past the first season, unless the two seasons are substantially different in content or quality.

May 23, 2015 1:36 PM

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I object!
Split-cours are some of the best things that has happened to anime. If Death Note was a split-cour I would've been able to give the first and last halves different ratings.

But Death Note is not only the first season or the second, you don't rate a movie by only watching the first hour of it do you?

I think the site should at least have this as an option for people who want to merge a series into one entry

May 23, 2015 2:33 PM

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LunarProxy said:

Rasco said:

LunarProxy said:

Rasco said:

Antanaru said:
I agree with the suggestions. Currently MAL's DB and lists are unnecessarily inflated. It's not just split cours, you get separate entries even for OVA episodes, each movie in a series and tons of specials, extras and other rubbish coming with every DVD/BD releases. Even some shorts ads.

Each series should have one entry which would include both the main episodes (even split cours) and all extras. Pretty much like AniDB. It would require a major overhaul but it's necessary if this site is to be functional in the future. Let alone lists, it's already hard to navigate bigger franchises where you have to guess which entry is what and can't get anything out of cluttered "relations".

Good Post and feedback right here..

Though I merely agree with the Split cours I actually like seeing the relations and if I want to know the movie information or rating etc..

Phraze said:
I object!
Split-cours are some of the best things that has happened to anime. If Death Note was a split-cour I would've been able to give the first and last halves different ratings.

Your post intrigues me.. Well Yeah your right, some anime have a Terrible First half and the second half is extremely great.. But nah I just rather just rate the anime as whole. This seems to all be falling into preference, but for organization purposes (if that's truly the main goal) then Antanaru Made a valid point. So saying

""so entries are not left as currently airing for months on users' lists "" Holds no water for a argument against organization. This is mere preference now. Since splitting an anime in two makes our list more cluttered with information.

What about the scenario where you watch the first season when it airs, but never continue? Do I just go back and count out those episodes, and add them to my list as dropped? That seems like extra work.

As for including OVAs and specials, that's even harder, as those sorts of things aren't found on many legal ways to watch anime.

Moreso, what if the episode lengths change? This is especially true for specials and OVAs.

A suggestion within a suggestion here: what if you could collapse your list into franchises? Sorta like the small franchises section found on the user home tab in MALgraph before. (It's some other site now, but you get the idea.) This way you can save space while not combining everything into one mess. You can just uncollapse a franchise to show those movies/OVAs/specials/seasons.

If it never continues? Isn't there usually a update for the anime if it won't continue? Even if it does continue later it could be set as "airing" again. I didn't really consider this scenario, though I only experienced one anime that didn't continue. Or At least It felt like it was a cliffhanger for a ending..

As for The ova's and such, I don't mind them being separated. But yeah those usually do have different running times.

That to me sounds like a good idea; For the anime list. The Anime Pages themselves seem to be fine (since there is a lot of information in them already).

No, I don't mean the series no longer continues. I meant you watch season one, and don't watch season two since you didn't like it.

Also, yeah, separate anime pages is nice. Publishers and staff change often (for example, Spice & Wolf S1&2), and sometimes there's huge gaps in time (Durarara!! x2).

I think having the list sorted by franchises would cover the complaints in this thread, while still keeping things as they are in the database.

I wasn't talking about Official seasons, but rather anime that are split apart for having a long break.

For the other points, Yeah the pages do wonders for information. Just somehow the list needs more organization. Actually just combining everything would be good anyways.. Just look at the manga and see how its all combined and not set in different formats I.E Special, Movies. Yet it still can be rated properly.

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Lists are way easier to keep sorted as is. Combining the OVAs and specials into the major entry sounds like just about the worst idea ever, people wouldn't even know they exist/wouldn't even talk about them at that rate. Plus the system that exists now makes it much easier to tell the watch order, with sequels/prequels/side story listing. This also seems to suggest that anime people had thought they'd finished would be popping up all the time later on as unfinished. a lot of the time people don't want to follow series all the way, or followup seasons change completely.

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vodall said:
No. I like to rate the seasons separately.

to bad split cours are a part of 1 season so what ur saying is basically helping op's case

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Lists are way easier to keep sorted as is. Combining the OVAs and specials into the major entry sounds like just about the worst idea ever, people wouldn't even know they exist/wouldn't even talk about them at that rate. Plus the system that exists now makes it much easier to tell the watch order, with sequels/prequels/side story listing. This also seems to suggest that anime people had thought they'd finished would be popping up all the time later on as unfinished. a lot of the time people don't want to follow series all the way, or followup seasons change completely.

According to the "organization" that is being tossed around no, its not organized. It would actually be More convenient for the DB mods in the long run. They could easily just get rid of the "airing" indication and just add the information that is highly needed. But like I said I like things the way they are, but according to organization its not consistent and Creates more "Clutter".

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At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

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Lists are way easier to keep sorted as is. Combining the OVAs and specials into the major entry sounds like just about the worst idea ever, people wouldn't even know they exist/wouldn't even talk about them at that rate. Plus the system that exists now makes it much easier to tell the watch order, with sequels/prequels/side story listing. This also seems to suggest that anime people had thought they'd finished would be popping up all the time later on as unfinished. a lot of the time people don't want to follow series all the way, or followup seasons change completely.

Combining the OVAs and specials into the major entry sounds like just about the worst idea ever
You should read the OP, I'm talking about series that were ANNOUNCED AS split-cour series (new Durarara, F0, UBW, Stardust Crusaders) I know that OVAs/Specials are different

the watch order, with sequels/prequels/side story listing. This also seems to suggest that anime people had thought they'd finished would be popping up all the time later on as unfinished
An anime that didn't finish shouldn't be in completed list

Also, what's the problem? This recently happened with Angel Beats specials, was it that annoying to you?

a lot of the time people don't want to follow series all the way, or followup seasons change completely
This is to what the dropped list works for, if people don't wanna finish a series, they drop it

Syrup- said:
At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

This is what I'm talking about, lists are unnecessarily big right now, I'm talking about only split-cour series (but I wouldn't mind it happening to seasons that aired years later like Monogatari, Natsume Yuujinchou) there should at least be an option for people that want to do this

It would be like what happened to Suzumiya Haruhi Series novel

I don't know why people want a cluttered list like it is now, it's like they think it would hurt their e-penis or something

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I agree with this, furthermore I don't see why the Jojo's manga has separated entries only to distiguish between arcs, they're all part of the same series

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Syrup- said:
At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

Use MALGraph - http://graph.anime.sc/
I personally like how basic this site is, makes it easy for other people to utilize all the features this site has by developing their own codes and stuff.

UnoPuntoCinco said:
I agree with this, furthermore I don't see why the Jojo's manga has separated entries only to distiguish between arcs, they're all part of the same series

That's because they were released as different arcs. MAL adds to their database according to each Japanese release.

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Phraze said:

Syrup- said:
At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

Use MALGraph - http://graph.anime.sc/
I personally like how basic this site is, makes it easy for other people to utilize all the features this site has by developing their own codes and stuff.

UnoPuntoCinco said:
I agree with this, furthermore I don't see why the Jojo's manga has separated entries only to distiguish between arcs, they're all part of the same series

they weren't

That's because they were released as different arcs. MAL adds to their database according to each Japanese release.

it doesn't matter, it's still a continuous series as you can see by the numering of each volume

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Phraze said:

Syrup- said:
At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

Use MALGraph - http://graph.anime.sc/
I personally like how basic this site is, makes it easy for other people to utilize all the features this site has by developing their own codes and stuff.

Getting quite sick of people telling me to use some third party tool or plugin when I comment on threads in this forum. I'm already aware of this site, and use it frequently. However, I come here to get the devs to fix the stuff that needs to be fixed, rather than have some third party hand their product to me. Thanks anyway.

EuTenhoBomGosto said:

Syrup- said:
At least give an option to display the anime titles as their franchise or something. I'm tired of having a buffed completion count just because I happened to finish a lot of split cour series.

This is what I'm talking about, lists are unnecessarily big right now, I'm talking about only split-cour series (but I wouldn't mind it happening to seasons that aired years later like Monogatari, Natsume Yuujinchou) there should at least be an option for people that want to do this

It would be like what happened to Suzumiya Haruhi Series novel

I don't know why people want a cluttered list like it is now, it's like they think it would hurt their e-penis or something

Yeah and the worst part is people seem to be defending it like it would ruin their list or something. It's not hard, and you could make an option to hide it. Even better, you could keep it and do some cool CSS shit with it.

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@Syrup-
Kinda same here tbh. Though it's a question more of maintenance than preference when it comes to asking for features, so I take whatever fix that's available.

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I still don't see why this is necessary whatsoever. Does anyone even look at lists that aren't their own? The compare feature exists for a reason.

Anyway, if it's added, please at least give the option to disable seeing it. I don't like it.

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I still don't see why this is necessary whatsoever. Does anyone even look at lists that aren't their own? The compare feature exists for a reason.

Anyway, if it's added, please at least give the option to disable seeing it. I don't like it.

So now your suggesting no one looks at lists? or its highly unlikely that there is a reason to look at lists? whats your aim here?

Anyways yeah we are all asking for "more" options. For Organization. Not something more complicated than that. Unless you propose it is.

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I still don't see why this is necessary whatsoever. Does anyone even look at lists that aren't their own? The compare feature exists for a reason.

Anyway, if it's added, please at least give the option to disable seeing it. I don't like it.

I want to look at my lists, some entries are unnecessarily divided, I just want them more organized, less inflated

I just wanted a mod's response about this, so we could end this already

May 25, 2015 9:03 AM

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