Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? (light novel)
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Deleth said: How come that Lili having had some bad experience justifies her actively trying to get people who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of it and have been nothing but nice to her justifies her getting away with an half assed "sorry"? They tried to iron out some of the sexism and idiocy of the manga adaption and give her some more of a reason for why she acts as she does but she's still not a very good person in any kind of way. Bell or at the very least the original author is a supreme sexist and utterly desperate and it clearly shows in his works. Lili is female and attractive therefore undeserving of punishment. That is the attitude of the author and many fans of Dunmachi. |
MuruManu said: cliché and extremely average.Is it me or it's really really really cliché ? |
KneelBeforeMeMay 11, 2015 9:49 PM
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| Heartwarming episode. I have no idea how it could've been better. The only thing I don't get is what she was mixing at the beginning of the anime. |
Cannonball7171 said: Just saw the episode Lili's backstory was very tragic, I gotta say. But backstabbing Bell even after it's shown that he's really nice to her? What a bitch. Then Bell came and immediately forgave her. Like, what the hell? Is he not even slightly mad at the fact that he almost died, if it wasn't for Wallenstein? He's too much of a nice guy. Plus, he lost all his items, which may still be with Lili (or those other bad guys) If I was Bell I would have immediately gotten a new supporter, or at least talk things out with Lili, rather than blindly forgiving her as if he didn't nearly die or something He didn't lose all his items. Lili tucked the knife at her leg and then threw it at him before she broke into that rant at the end. |
HypemanIvo said: [...] Also, it gives a solid reason for Lili to join the "Bell Harem", last I checked many girls like that kind of guy. At least he's not one of those faggot MC's that end up with a harem for ABSOLUTELY NO GODDANM REASON !!! i smelled a reference to sao, AmIright? just saw the same sentence in a recent review. Sounds weird since you said teenagers gurls can like kind guy UsaraDark said: I feel bad for people who drop a good anime "This show is too serious!";"This character's annoying!";"I don't like the main character!";"No one's kawaii!" How about for once people pretend that they are that certain character, with those feelings, with that fear, with that anger, with that regret. It's not as easy as "Just f*cken do it already damn it!" Think about the risks that are involved and how it affects the character's ego and mood. EMPATHIZE DAMN IT! ( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ Point Made! Also, SAO isn't a good anime. At first i was like "hehe+1 ( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ " and then "sao isn't a good anime" >*sad* your statements seems contradictory~ Otherwise, Lili got pretty much bitchkicked&humiliated, even if you're still enraged no need to shoot the ambulance, so if you could show her kindness again she should learn her lesson~ |
Lap1May 12, 2015 1:09 PM
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Cannonball7171 said: Darklight0303 said: He didn't lose all his items. Lili tucked the knife at her leg and then threw it at him before she broke into that rant at the end. Oh wait he didn't? Phew, good for him. His weapons and his FIREBOLTO! are like the essential things keeping him alive. I thought those other guys stole her stuff? Or was it the key the only thing they took... makOYzki said: Did you really watched the episode? really though a lot of people didn't really get the episode, like saying Bell is just too nice and saved her without any deep reason but Bell clearly explained to Hestia that even if Lili did deceive him he will still save her because she looks so lonely and reminds him of how he is before he met Hestia, lonely,sad,alone that no one accept him except Hestia. I guess he did have a reason for forgiving her, because Lili->Bell is sort of the same as Bell->Hestia (Lili was alone, then Bell saved her, same goes for Bell->Hestia, like you/this episode said). But unlike Lili->Bell, Bell never attempted anything to Hestia like what Lili did to him. If Bell did something like that to Hestia, I'm sure she would be pissed off They took her key and whatever she had in the backpack. That magic fire weapon too most likely since that other adventurer threw it away before running off to his doom. THe knife she had tucked away at her leg. |
ajnc1 said: I Really like lili.!! Kawaii... Damn SOMA Familia",.. They Worship A Wine..!! Is That wine really worth Worshipping..?? Willing to bet that the wine's completed name is Ambrosia |
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| Lili's breakdown at the end... shit, man, that was heavy. |
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Zadion said: heavy cringe true datLili's breakdown at the end... shit, man, that was heavy. |
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| That hug though... |
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| Lili was cute :) |
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| 1mn40 for Lili's past. That was so ridiculous. Some of the scene shown in this passage are not even explained and I wonder if only one person who watched the show without prior knowledge from the LN understood what they meant. I mean look at the scene with the old couple looking at her angrily. At least they kept most of the finale scene, I got a fright for a while when I started to hear music, thought it would last like 10sec and be skipped, but they didn't put the ending and took like 2 minutes instead for the scene. At least, they did that properly even if there was no hestia in it. And the scene I just talked above is precisely WHY she needs money, and WHY no, just winning a little pocket money from going around in dungeon with Bell wasn't going to cut it. Bell's knife's scabard has the sign of Hephaistos on it. Anything with that sign sells tremendously high. You could buy a fine house with that knife just because of that Hephaistos sign. That's why she stole it this time with the scabbard, because for a reason that she ignores, the knife isn't recognized alone as a powerful weapon, and since it has no Hephaistos sign directly on it, she needs the scabbard. Also, Bell is correct in keeping Lili, for a lot of reasons. There is not a single reason to kill her or dismiss her after saving her, quite the contrary. |
ZefyrisMay 13, 2015 1:35 AM
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| Another great episode. The ending when Lili confessed and Bell was so forgiving was so sweet. It brought a smile to my face. |
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| It was decent. Not looking forward to the next episode due to Aiz being the equivalent of a rock. Can someone please tell me why Bell risks his life for a chick who's more dead than a ghost in terms of personality? |
Imeon said: Objurgo said: Bell-san, the manliest of men.. In this show at least I'd say that he's at least one of the better written ones opposed characters like Emiya Shirou from Fate or Kirito from SAO. He doesn't turn everything into a woes me mindset and his goals are a little more clearer and reachable in his universe Actually, Bell forgiving Lilli reminds me of Kirito and I like it. Better written than Shirou? Since when? Regardless of what you think of Studio Deen Shirou UBW and LN Shirou is an engaging character. So no Bell isn't anywhere close. Him trying to risk his life for a girl who has no personality (hardly ever says anything and looks high or stone faced in almost every scene ) and they have yet to speak or meet? Bell isn't getting better |
TheGrandSage23May 13, 2015 8:22 AM
TheGrandSage23 said: Imeon said: Actually, Bell forgiving Lilli reminds me of Kirito and I like it. Better written than Shirou? Since when? Regardless of what you think of Studio Deen Shirou UBW and LN Shirou is an engaging character. So no Bell isn't anywhere close Archer still trumps both |
Darklight0303 said: TheGrandSage23 said: Better written than Shirou? Since when? Regardless of what you think of Studio Deen Shirou UBW and LN Shirou is an engaging character. So no Bell isn't anywhere close Archer still trumps both Cause Archer is GAR everyone knows this |
| I felt for Lili in the beginning. She had to go through so much. Bell is so naive. Why did he even trust Lili when Hestia already asked him to be careful. It's getting annoying. What a- Sure, she went through a lot, but that was pretty damn rude of her. I mean, sure you hate adventurers cuz they treat you badly, but what? But when one of them treats you nicely, you do what? You betray them. At least, she admits her mistake. I liked that. Ais helped you again, Bel. Talk to her already and stop running away. I liked Lili's rant there (sounds like someone was inspired by Hayami Saori :p still a great job) If she can develop, she can become a good character for sure. For now, she is well-written. As much as I like Hestia, I feel like Bel and Ais are destined to be lovers. Gotta love how she keeps saving him (with or without him knowing) Meh-turned-great episode. |
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| It was an interesting episode, we got to see the reasons why Lili hated so much adventurers, but still... lying and stealing from Bell after hes been so nice to her :/ Cant wait for the next episode! |
| Peoples who both complain about bell forgiving her and about bell being too naive are.... illogical. What do you think a party with bell and Lili make anyway, huh? That's going to be EXTREMELY more difficult to deceive Bell if Lili is around. Either you want Bell to keep being deceived since he IS naive and too nice by nature, and then well yeah let's not forgive Lili. Or you can have an awesome supporter at his side who will on top of her skills and experience avoid him being deceived by the first adventurer around. Which one do you take? I'm sure glad he forgave her, the story after that wouldn't be half as interesting without Lili ImO. |
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| Gosh what an outburst. |
| Aw, sweet ending. I, for one, actually like Lili. Looking forward to next episode, especially since it's going to be Aiz focused. |
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Jacara said: judging by ur list it seems like u only like to nitpick certain anime cuz all the anime rated above an 8 have their major flaws that anyone can rip apartThis episode has jumped the shark. Bell is criminally stupid and if not for plot armor bending over backwards to keep him alive, would have died a deserved death. Lets count the ways :- - Eina coincidentally happens to be at the dungeon instead of the guild house - The 3 robbers coincidentally happen to cross her path - They coincidentally choose the exact moment when she was present to announce their plan to the whole world - Coincidentally, Eina runs into Aiz who just happens to be at the right place at the right time - Out of the whole dungeon, Aiz somehow manages to locate Bell before he dies - Coincidentally, Bell manages to reach Lili in that short span of time after the robbers leave and before Lili dies Plot is clearly not one of this anime's strengths. |
| ^well, most of those "coincidences" are only coincidences in the anime anyway. It's just that those explanations don't involve Hestia, so they skipped most of it as usual since the start, and decided to bring everything together by making a lot of coincidences happen to skip intermediate scenes/dialogues and explanations leading to the current situation. Choosing to adapt 5 volumes in 13 episodes AND to keep all the scenes with Hestia to focus on her( even though most of those scenes could have been skipped scenario-wise since they have no importance at all) really hurts the general flow of the story, since it means that in an already very very rushed adaptation they are prioritizing scenes of no importances over explanations/scenes/dialogues important for the main plot. Point is, those two choices mean that there's no point in expecting proper explanation in this anime. Either you shut down your brain and enjoy Hestia'(s breasts), or you'll need to read the LN here to understand. Danmachi as a LN is definitely far from being a masterpiece, but at the very least in the volume 1 to 5, it's not boring, doesn't have plot holes, and the characters are quite logical in their behaviour, so it's not bad either. So if you thought " character X doing/not doing this is stupid" you're probably just being victim of the anime adaptation here. |
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| Pretty solid episode if I do say so myself. |
Madara31 said: I pretty much agreed with everything Lili said at the end. Bell is an unrealistically, overly nice fool, and she is not a nice person. Sure she's had it rough, but that doesn't excuse her actions. I felt nothing for either of them at the end. I'm not a fan of those "nice" guy characters who forgive everyone for everything. couldn't agree more JustALEX said: PointySeat said: Lili is officially best girl Maybe if Hestia wasn't in this show. But she is... So no. hestia>aiz>the rest. so hestia is bestia. less hestia on screen made me sad ;__; I wonder who will end up with bell kun????? bell likes aiz but the main female character is hestia. oh I see. probably harem route. I'm still waiting the red haired guy. it's been 6 episodes where is he? >.< can't wait for aiz's arc next episode. please more hestia on screen she's the reason I'm still watching this show >.< |
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| Hooly shit these characters are so annoying. Lili fucks all of Bell's shit up, he saves her for no reason other than that she's a girl and thus all is forgiven? Dude, she stole your fucking knife that your goddess gave you and will need to work her ass off to pay it back. But yet it doesn't matter and you just kind of discard it because some bitch gave you a longer one? Lili is a piece of shit and I hate her. She has no excuses. She knew exactly what she was doing and is a manipulative bitch. Not to mention that her whole backstory of "wahhh nothing changes" is cliche as fuck and a lot of it is her own fault. Yeah, those guys are assholes, but still. And the whole "I hate all adventurers because some of them are mean to me" thing seems... kinda racist, in a way. But that's probably unintentional. Then there's Hestia who's just... really annoying. She gets jealous over every little thing and doesn't tell Bell shit despite him being a massive idiot and knowing that he constantly gets into danger. And she's purely there for fanservice, anyway. She's useless. I'm also super sick of the "idiot protagonist" trope. It's not cute, funny, or whatever else. It's infuriating. They don't have to be Keima smart or anything, but when they're just like HURR DURR I'M THE PROTAGONIST it's aggravating beyond belief. I've also noticed that this show is lowkey sexist. Bell seems to only go for cute girls (Aiz, Lili), and in the reverse, Hestia seems to only like Bell because he's cute (yeah the "he was the one who gave her a home!!!" is stupid, it's because he's cute). TL;DR: This show sucks and the characters are written poorly. Anyone who says it's good needs to get their heads out of their asses because really, what the fuck are you watching? |
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| Wow! The narrative is the same old story over again views and magazines, but I must admit that the ending was beautiful intense in every sense; starting from the graphics really well done, with drawings that have a portrait facial expressions really detailed and with a soundtrack well apt. In the end I thought that Lili entered the family of Bell, but I was wrong; oh well! Sorry Hestia face only by appearance, but the relationship and the growth of Lili and Bell, it was good hearty this time. Barion-Zara said: Jaridan said: not quite sure why she went for his weapon again, given that she already had it examined and evaluated as useless 30Valis trash(due to the inscribtion). They didn't show this in the anime but after the gnome gave it 30 valis Lili said, if she had the sheath that proves it's made by Haphaestus she can sell it for lots even if it's junk function wise. Thank you so much, perhaps it is also because of what the scene where Lili steals the knife in Bell, showing the sheath with the name of Hephaestus, is not well understood. |
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lejon_brames said: Arde tried to get Bell killed then he just goes ahead and forgives her?? He's like the Pope! |
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| wow Lili has a messed up past but she still a bitch for doing that to Bell |
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| This could have been a great opportunity for some Aiz x Bell growth... nope. Maybe next time. |
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| All the episode, I said to myself : Lili is really bad, she deserves a good hit in her face ! The breakdown at the end was well done. Bell is a idiot, everyone know that, but he is a good guy. This arc is over now, I hope the new arc will develop the story with Ais :). |
| That was an awesome rant by Uchida Maaya! 5/5. |
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| Best episode so far |
| I was hoping Lili wouldn't fuck him like that but in that moment when she was about to eaten by ants, she repented. Bell really is amazing to save her after all of that. That's one of the reasons I like him. The fragments/crystals on the floor really made the scene more beautiful. fatalystic said: Ah, I forgot to mention. I'm sure everyone noticed, but Bell's "Miss Supporter, are you looking for an adventurer?" line and his few lines afterward are meant to mirror Lili's first lines to him. He pretty much just switched "Supporter" and "Adventurer". That makes it so much more charming! |
| It reeks of desperation how these writers fall over themselves to heap the bravado on this thick in order to have their little sympathy fundraiser for throwaway characters, I have to question if it's actually untalented writers, or just really talented writers who have had to adjust over 20 years of having a crappy audience. What a spectacular piece of shit this episode was. Everything I hate about shounen rolled into one filthy, steaming chunk of gelatinous drivel. This show was serviceable up to this point. Man I pity people who are entertained by brutality so over the top it transforms into comedy. |
Red_TuesdayMay 17, 2015 3:59 PM
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| Interesting episode. |
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Sinyan said: Arnissan said: The backstory wasn't made for people to feel sadness and pity as much as it was made for people to understand why she did what she did. She was broken from the start and Bell knew of her circumstances before they went in. And yeah, what Lili did was horrible, but any revenge for the sake of revenge by that point would have been nothing but shallow. Whether someone is easily forgiven or not is merely a choice. imo, the people wishing for her to get eaten are just edgefags.Most of us felt sad for the character's tragedy but that does not excuse an attempt of murder. Some things just can't be forgiven that easily. I agree. No one says that her behavior must be forgiven but there is nothing wrong if you wanted to forgive her. It doesn't mean you are an idiot and all that edgy stuff if you believe her actions weren't a straight reflect of her character but more of her circumstances. Actually with what he did he just gained her complete loyalty. From now on she would probably even give her life for him. |
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