Franchise pages and franchise lumping on top list and personal lists

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kuuderes_shadow said:
For various reasons I personally really wouldn't like this - and if I had to use it on my list or if there were no way to turn it off for the top anime page I would probably stop using this site for tracking my watches.

I already said it once before in the post but edited the specific listing part to say for the lists it is optional. Trying to think of a way that it can be optional for the top list too, though I don't see a problem with it on the top list, you can just search all anime by score using the advanced search if you want to see everything. Though an option is possible.

And the top anime page is that important to you?

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- How to determine whether or not something is in a different timeline. There are various spinoffs that could take place within either the same or a different timeline to the main series. What's more, whether or not it is possible that, say, a film spinoff of an ongoing series can occur within the same timeline as the original story can actually change after the film airs. And there are things that start off in the same timeline but then gradually wander away from each other. Then of course there are some series that aren't in the same timeline as themselves... Or things (like SAO/AW) that are very definitely separate series but which have been stated unequivacally by the creator as belonging to the same timeline.

Well it doesn't have to be perfect(it already says whether x entry is related to y entry through being a spinoff or whatever, don't see the problem) and most series I've seen have had it quite sufficient.
I'm gonna need an example of the film thing, sounds confusing. In the graphic everything doesn't have to be connected, there can be multiple 'trunks' or whatever.

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- You've acknowledged that there's an issue with how much of a series someone has seen, but the way of dealing with it that you've proposed really wouldn't work. Take Bleach for example. Should watching the 145-ish hours of the TV series really be given the same weighting as watching the sub-30 minute Memories in the Rain special? As an even more absurd example, should viewers of Akame ga Kill! count for only a third as much rating for that series, because they haven't watched the random comedy shorts that were put up on the website, or the recap episode which under this system would count for as much as the full series?
- Would there be a similar thing for manga? The biggest impact of adding it to the manga section would, after all, be to combine light novel entries and their manga adaptations into one thing, which I personally would despise.

Yes, I have. Maybe by duration then, idk. Just throwin it out there, people can help.

And never thought about it for the manga side as I don't read much.

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- This would take effort. A lot of it. Is it really worth it?

Yes, this site has nothing else going on so I don't see the problem.

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This would be pretty great. Especially 2 and 3.

Jan 9, 2015 9:52 AM

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It seems like you put a lot of thought into this and franchise pages are something that people have been suggesting since at least 2008.

However, what I noticed while I was reading your OP, is that it seems you haven't put a lot of thought into how it would be coded (aside from the score). I'm not sure how much familiarity you have with how databases work, but that would help to better form your suggestion.

I'm curious about your reasons as well, if you wouldn't mind sharing them.

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I like most of your points, however:

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In just the lumped franchise version clicking the Franchise name would link you to the first anime in the continuity of the franchise.

First as in chronologically or by release date? After all, that makes a big difference with things like Monogatari and FSN.

IntroverTurtle said:
A graphic that shows where each anime fits on the timeline, basically how everything is connected.

What about things that happen during the run of the series? For example, Dragon Ball Z Special 2: The History of Trunks is set basically after the Cell Games Saga but "before" the Buu Saga (roughly, between episodes 194 and 195 of Dragon Ball Z). At the same time, it has a brief prologue that takes place "before" the Android saga (episode 108).

Another example could be Macross Zero, set after the brief prologue of the first episode of the Macross and before the rest of the first episode.

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It seems like you put a lot of thought into this and franchise pages are something that people have been suggesting since at least 2008.

However, what I noticed while I was reading your OP, is that it seems you haven't put a lot of thought into how it would be coded (aside from the score). I'm not sure how much familiarity you have with how databases work, but that would help to better form your suggestion.

No, I didn't. I have no idea how to code so wouldn't know what works and such. Open to someone helping me though, a big part of why I posted it on the forum. People are already finding holes which is helpful.

yazio said:
I like most of your points, however:

IntroverTurtle said:
In just the lumped franchise version clicking the Franchise name would link you to the first anime in the continuity of the franchise.

First as in chronologically or by release date? After all, that makes a big difference with things like Monogatari and FSN.

Yeah you're right about that, maybe it can just link them to the franchise page.

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IntroverTurtle said:
A graphic that shows where each anime fits on the timeline, basically how everything is connected.

Well I was thinking of it like a basic boxes connected by strings thing possibly color coded, in which case there could be some sort of a note that specifies where it's supposed to go rather than there being like an actual episode timeline. Though Idk if I understand this correctly, is this prologue a seperate episode or a scene in the dragon ball z special 2 episode?

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IntroverTurtle said:

yazio said:

A scene in the episode. About the first half happens "before" episode 108, while the second half happens between 194-195.

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A scene in the episode. About the first half happens "before" episode 108, while the second half happens between 194-195.

Hmmm, then I think maybe we should just go with what most of it or the main part of it is about.

And I realized after going in to edit that thing that you corrected that seemed so common sense. That I had it link to the first page in the continuity, because that was if they didn't make franchise pages(which I thought would be the hardest work) but instead just bunched the top page together. Right after that I had that if franchise pages where made it would just link them there.

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Mm my mind was rather garbled when I wrote that. The stop using the site part was mainly aimed at if it was on my list. You can bunch stuff together in a similar manner on animeadvice.me and that just makes a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, here's my thoughts:
- My opinion (and doubtless those of others as well) of various things that would be counted within the same franchise is often wildly different. This is particularly the case with OVAs where a great series can have an OVA that is godawful. For example, I found Yuushibu to be rather enjoyable, and gave it a 6, but the OVA had none of the stuff I liked about the series, and I gave that a 3. I wouldn't want the score I gave the OVA to influence the score I show for Yuushibu as a whole, though, as it has no impact on my perception of the series/franchise.
- This is escalated still further with recaps. I would feel bad giving low scores over recaps (which is standard practice) if it had any impact on my score for the series itself.
- It no longer means that the score reflects the contents of the series. Sometimes you CAN skip things (again, recap episodes are the most obvious example, followed by some but certainly not all OVAs/specials). Sometimes you can skip entire seasons without losing anything - and indeed there are people that advocate doing just that for some series (Minami-ke springs to mind here).
- I like data. I like having data in an order that makes sense. If you have a "franchise score" instead of a series score then that score is not actually representative of any part of said franchise. Sure, the data is there, but if, say, you wanted to get the rankings of the first or main part of any series you would have to go through each entry and add them (probably manually) to a separate spreadsheet before sorting it out. Which is far more effort than the current process of just ignoring things that aren't the first/main part of the series. Obviously if you can just switch to the current system, or if the franchise rankings is a new list rather than a replacement, this doesn't stand ground.

Incidentally, when I said it would take effort, I didn't just mean on the creating the system side. I meant also that someone would have to go through every single series determining how/whether they fit in the timeline. Unless you intend to ignore all relations other than "sequel"/"prequel" - which would simplify things a lot and get rid of quite a few of my objections, but also weaken the effect of it (as a lot of things - all the naruto movies for instance - would no longer be considered part of the same series). And there are things (http://myanimelist.net/anime/11981 for instance) which are sequels to multiple other things which are not sequels/prequels to one another, so if other stuff was excluded then they would end up part of multiple different "franchises".

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Mm my mind was rather garbled when I wrote that. The stop using the site part was mainly aimed at if it was on my list. You can bunch stuff together in a similar manner on animeadvice.me and that just makes a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Ok, that makes more sense.
You talking about how it looks like a mess on animeadvice or that since we have animeadvice we don't need to do it with the main site. If the former then I'd say at least on the lists it would be much cleaner. The entry wouldn't be any larger until you click on a certain button most likely and then it wouldn't be separated by type of relaated it is. If the latter(which is less likely that it is) I disagree as most people don't know about it and I don't think it can handle everyone.

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Anyway, here's my thoughts:
- My opinion (and doubtless those of others as well) of various things that would be counted within the same franchise is often wildly different. This is particularly the case with OVAs where a great series can have an OVA that is godawful. For example, I found Yuushibu to be rather enjoyable, and gave it a 6, but the OVA had none of the stuff I liked about the series, and I gave that a 3. I wouldn't want the score I gave the OVA to influence the score I show for Yuushibu as a whole, though, as it has no impact on my perception of the series/franchise.

A little confused here. The way I was thinking of it would be you have a score for Yuushibu which is 6, then a score for the OVA which is 3, and then a separate score for the franchise which is 6 or whatever you want based on whatever criteria you have. The franchise score wouldn't affect any of the separate entry's scores and vice versa and while on the expanded version of the franchise on the top list you can see each individual entry's MAL score. Only if you haven't completed an entry(not the score) will it affect the weight of your franchise score. If I'm not addressing the right thing feel free to talk to me like a child so I can understand what it is so I can make this suggestion better.

kuuderes_shadow said:
- This is escalated still further with recaps. I would feel bad giving low scores over recaps (which is standard practice) if it had any impact on my score for the series itself.

Same as above ^^^

kuuderes_shadow said:
- It no longer means that the score reflects the contents of the series. Sometimes you CAN skip things (again, recap episodes are the most obvious example, followed by some but certainly not all OVAs/specials). Sometimes you can skip entire seasons without losing anything - and indeed there are people that advocate doing just that for some series (Minami-ke springs to mind here).

So is this a problem with the score weight thing? Would be nice if you specified that. While I do think all the entries should count as the score is about all of the franchise, it wouldn't be so bad if the weight was decided by the main parts of the series, everything that is a prequel and sequel, no spinoffs, recaps, OVAs, etc is not eligible.

kuuderes_shadow said:
- I like data. I like having data in an order that makes sense. If you have a "franchise score" instead of a series score then that score is not actually representative of any part of said franchise. Sure, the data is there, but if, say, you wanted to get the rankings of the first or main part of any series you would have to go through each entry and add them (probably manually) to a separate spreadsheet before sorting it out. Which is far more effort than the current process of just ignoring things that aren't the first/main part of the series. Obviously if you can just switch to the current system, or if the franchise rankings is a new list rather than a replacement, this doesn't stand ground.

It's only instead of on the top list and in your list if you choose to use that option. Your other scores are still there. And it's a representative of the whole franchise.
And I don't understand the part about the rankings of the first or main part of a series. I believe what you're talking about could be done through the advanced search or possibly with the option of turning off the franchise lumping while on the top list.

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Incidentally, when I said it would take effort, I didn't just mean on the creating the system side. I meant also that someone would have to go through every single series determining how/whether they fit in the timeline. Unless you intend to ignore all relations other than "sequel"/"prequel" - which would simplify things a lot and get rid of quite a few of my objections, but also weaken the effect of it (as a lot of things - all the naruto movies for instance - would no longer be considered part of the same series). And there are things (http://myanimelist.net/anime/11981 for instance) which are sequels to multiple other things which are not sequels/prequels to one another, so if other stuff was excluded then they would end up part of multiple different "franchises".

They already are shown how they fit in the timeline, things are labeled side story, sequel, alternate version or whatever.

I was thinking of something like this but just cleaner and embedded so it's not that large. Watching order of episodes(broadcast order, chronological order, etc) can be sort of a semi separate thing. And entries like OVAs that take place mid series will be shown to be connected to the main series like a normal OVA with some sort of a note that says (takes place between episodes 8 and 9) or something like that, that could be fully expanded in an actual watching order if someone wants to makes one.

For that Madoka entry, idk. While I don't think it's a huge deal if it is placed in both timelines, I don't know how it will work(idk how many examples there are of this). Idk I'll have to think about this one and possibly make this a question up in the OP.

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IntroverTurtle said:
For that Madoka entry, idk. While I don't think it's a huge deal if it is placed in both timelines, I don't know how it will work(idk how many examples there are of this). Idk I'll have to think about this one and possibly make this a question up in the OP.

It happens a lot with movie compilations, for example:

Original Gundam -> Zeta Gundam -> Gundam ZZ
Gundam movie trilogy -> Zeta Gundam movie trilogy -> Gundam ZZ

Nanoha -> Nanoha A -> Nanoha Strikers
Nanoha Movie 1 -> Nanoha Movie 2 -> Nanoha Strikers

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That sucks, I'll have to find a way around this. I really don't want to combine different timelines.

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i don't think it's introver's responsibility to suggest how a feature is bloody coded. plus, having it be a feature that can be turned on and off is a given. i don't think that part even needs to be suggested.

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Kineta said:

However, what I noticed while I was reading your OP, is that it seems you haven't put a lot of thought into how it would be coded (aside from the score). I'm not sure how much familiarity you have with how databases work, but that would help to better form your suggestion.

im not good at programming but i graduated with it, and i remember in access this thing called subdatasheets and one-to-many relationships on making tables in the database

quick googling and it looks like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFKPEvo7alk

there will be a expand button or plus sign button on each first row, the gintama franchise table for example will have a subdatasheet for all other gintama related anime sorted by when they are initially release to make the code more simple

if microsoft access have subdatasheet and one-to-many relationship feature i bet it can be done with SQL too that is common database language for the database on the internet

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Bump and I still haven't figured out the solution to the problem kuudere pointed out.

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Undoubtedly well thought-out, but I'm against the idea; Kuudere has explained most of the problems I have with it.
If there were to be no scoring or vote weighting for franchises, I'd happily support the idea, so I voted yes in the poll.

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Ah. Why haven't I posted here yet? Sorry for forgetting about this.

Thanks for the detailed suggestion. My thoughts:

At its core, I like this idea. Even apart from displaying them in MAL's top anime, I think franchise pages would help with organization and would also provide a place for franchise-wide forum topics (which have no legal space on MAL at this time). As for the specifics...

Potential Problem 1: Rating the franchise separately from the individual scores poses many variables.

Suggested Solution: Instead of rating franchise separately, I think the franchise score should be calculated as an average of the scores of the user's "main" entries in the franchise. Apply the 1/5th rule to the number of episodes in the entire main portion of the franchise before allowing a score to be calculated for it. I think this would work better than counting 1/5 of the total entries in the franchise (even though it would belittle movie entries somewhat) because entries are also given scores if 1/5 of their episodes are watched. In other words, if a user dropped an entry after having watched 1/5 of it, and the franchise for said entry had 5 or fewer entries, the franchise would end up receiving a score from the user who dropped the first entry, even if they didn't truly watch 1/5 of the franchise. This would skew favor toward continuous shows like One Piece over shows that are broken up but continue the same story, such as with Gintama or Clannad.

Additional Problems: The primary problem here is determining what's considered part of the "core story". We could just label specials and OVAs as such, but sometimes OVAs themselves are the main story, which complicates matters. I'm not sure if I have a method for determining the "core" portions of a franchise yet, but I don't think the anime/manga mods will like this suggestion without such a method.

Potential Problem 2: In relation to the top anime list, I would agree with separating timelines/universes, but this still leaves some room for doubt. For example, what about stories that occur in the same universe (be it at the same time or at a later date) yet tell an entirely separate story with a different cast? Would they be lumped in the same franchise? If not, it makes the organization somewhat messier. If so, one could call into question how accurate the overall rating of the franchise is. I personally would lean toward to the former option, which leads into my solution.

Suggested Solution: In addition to franchise pages, such as a page for FMA and a page for FMAB, we should have "super franchise" pages that contain the sub-franchises. This is mostly for the sake of keeping things organized and allowing for a wider range of forum topics. I would expect super-franchise pages to mostly contain background or history of the franchise, and perhaps some suggestions regarding popular viewing orders (release order/chronological order (if applicable)/etc.). They would not receive aggregate ratings.

Additional Problems: Entries that are contained within multiple sub-franchises would be counted toward multiple sub-franchise scores. I'm not sure if this is truly a problem or not, nor if there is a remedy for it.

Agreement 1: I like the idea of having single entries in a drop-down list on the top anime and anime search pages. If certain entries aren't counted toward the franchise score, I think the ones that are counted should be in bold.

Additional Problems: As far as I know (and I could be completely wrong), the top anime page uses the site's anime search function to display the list. This means franchises would show up in searches, which further complicates searching: If only one entry in a franchise has a certain genre, does searching pull up the entire franchise? Are you wanting to split up searching for individual entries and franchises? Etc.

Agreement 2: Basically everything you wrote about the franchise pages, with the addition of a forum section for the franchise in general.

Additional Problems: You mentioned supporting multiple timelines. This seems to contradict your idea of splitting up timelines on the top anime page. May I assume you support the "super franchise" pages I mentioned above, in light of this?

Agreement 3: I like your idea for the anime list implementation.

Additional Problems: None that I can think of, other than potential aesthetics. This could be covered by making the feature optional as you suggested, but this means more coding for MAL's developers.

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It seems I misworded what I wanted to say. To clarify, by "how it would be coded" I meant things like this:

When I made my post, I wasn't asking for how things would be coded under the surface in tables, but rather the logistics of how it would work on the front end. For example: how would the pages be created (auto-generated based on relations or added by a moderator)?

Any idea for the site can be born, but if it's not able to be implemented in a systematic way, then it's just a nice idea with nice pictures. (I don't mean this in a derogatory way.)

I didn't get a chance to read through all the newer posts yet, just wanted to clarify this one point.

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While it may not be the perfect solution, I think the best way would be combining entries to a franchise that are connected by the prequel/sequel tag and have the same type (TV, movie, OVA etc).
That way, separate continuities would still be separated (for example, FMA and FMAB are not connected by the prequel/sequel tag) and bad OVAs would not affect the score of an anime that is actually good. It also solves the problem about the "core" of an anime.
If this were to be implemented, the Top 10 would look like this at the moment:

As you can see, the only entries that are majorly affected by this would be Clannad and LoGH. Gintama only has two entries in this version which is much better than four. The Top 4 wouldn't be changed at all and ultimately, the list doesn't look that different, just tidied up.
However, there are still some other problems with this system for example what happens if there are multiple sequels of one anime of the same type that are different continuities (e.g. Hayate no Gotoku).
All in all, I do think that combining franchises is a good thing, but don't include everything please.

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After thinking about how this would be implemented, I thought about goodreads and how it creates pages for book series in their volume release order. For example here is the series page for the Harry Potter series.
Using something like this would allow for easier database management as you could just link to the series page from each individual part of a series.
I'm not sure how easy it would be though, to restrict the top anime list to only include the series page when they have one.
Users being able to score the whole series would be bad, because it would make it easier for fans or haters to manipulate scores.
A system by which a mean score being calculated in relation to the total run-time of each entry is the best I can currently think about.
Doing this would also allow users to have a much better overview of the release order of a show, since currently you can only look up the chronological order without having to resort to writing down the dates and making a list yourself.
Lack of information would make some of the less known series (especially in manga) unable to have proper sorting, but that shouldn't be much of a problem. as the score is what's important here, and the release order is just a bonus.
Each timeline of a series will have to have a separate page. More trouble.
The anuses. The DB Mods' anuses will have to be prepared. Allowing the users to order the series list would speed up the process, but they will have to put up with a lot of shit in order to fully implement this.
Some users will resist this and hate on it because it will be a big change. And it will need time to be polished.
In the end it will probably come down to whether the mods think this will be worth their time or not.
Honestly you could just not give a shit about the top list. Nothing of importance will happen if a series passes over another and you could just ignore what you don't like.

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In the end it will probably come down to whether the mods think this will be worth their time or not.

Implementing that the mods do the coding ... which they do not.

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Implementing that the mods do the coding ... which they do not.

I meant for the management of the database. That will probably be the hardest part and mods will have to do that.

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No, because.

There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.

Persona anime are good. Deal with it.

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kitsune0 said:
No, because.

Not sure what this has to do with anyone hating Gintama.

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Kineta said:
When I made my post, I wasn't asking for how things would be coded under the surface in tables, but rather the logistics of how it would work on the front end. For example: how would the pages be created (auto-generated based on relations or added by a moderator)?

Maybe there could be an option for us, users, to help add anime to each franchise and to designate a proper place in the timeline to every one of them. An "Add anime to this franchise" button, just like you add anime relations to a character.

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I totally support this suggestion.

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Kineta said:
it seems you haven't put a lot of thought into how it would be coded. I'm not sure how much familiarity you have with how databases work, but that would help to better form your suggestion.

I don't suppose you could share the database schema?

A possible way (half pseudo code):

Franchise table(FranchiseId int, Name varchar(255))
AnimeFranchise table(AnimeFranchiseId int, FranchiseId int, AnimeId int)

This would cover the relationship to a franchise and gives the site organizers full control over it. Using sequel/prequel/spin-off/special may not be accurate and would likely be slower to try to calculate the franchise all the time.

As for "order" of items in the franchise, release date works for me.

For "score", I would just calculate the average of the items in the franchise.

I don't care much about the top list, but I would love to be able to group all of Evangelion under a single heading.

If you really wanted to go crazy you could even sub-franchise it (just add ParentFranchiseId) which would be great for Rebuild of Evangelion and Nurse-Witch Komugi-chan because they are somewhat separate franchises under their respective "parent" franchises.

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I highly agree with the "Part II, Franchise Page", especially with MALgraph shutting down. I always wished there were some easy way to find out what entry of a franchise I missed, (especially if new entries come out after I watch all of them).

So far, I used the recommended page in MALgraph, but with that gone, I hope MAL makes some kind of a way to show such things.

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No. There are some parts that are very different, and it's rated very different, so I don't want to see it in one entry.

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MALgraph, but with that gone

MALgraph is dead, long live MALgraph!

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No. There are some parts that are very different, and it's rated very different, so I don't want to see it in one entry.

They'd all be rated differently, they'd just be shown on the top anime list as one entry.

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You don't get it. There are some parts that I love and some parts that I hate, and I just don't want it even being together in one entry.

Apr 17, 2015 4:56 PM

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Support. My first post still expresses my full thoughts.

Alex-and said:
You don't get it. There are some parts that I love and some parts that I hate, and I just don't want it even being together in one entry.

That's pretty silly when it comes to a database. If it's part of the franchise, it's part of the franchise. Just because you love some parts and hate others doesn't mean the parts you hate are no longer part of the franchise. xD

Apr 18, 2015 3:00 AM

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TripleSRank said:
That's pretty silly when it comes to a database. If it's part of the franchise, it's part of the franchise. Just because you love some parts and hate others doesn't mean the parts you hate are no longer part of the franchise.

You telling me how I should feel about my hobby? You telling me how I should treat it? How I should love or hate? And you saying I'm "silly". What are you talking is outright stupid - and none of your busyness. I'll feel whatever damn I want and nobody will be telling me what is right and what is wrong with it.

Apr 21, 2015 8:06 AM

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Excuse me, but shouldn't programmers solve the problems by themselves once everything about the feature is set in stone?

To be honest i think there should be a weighted mean score, taking into consideration how much each entry weights to the franchise. But there's also big problems that first have to be solved before this idea becomes solid.

I mean, how much would an OVA weight? Is the same thing an OVA for a 13 episode long anime and an OVA for a 200 episode long?

Is the same a spin-off 'season' and a normal season? (naruto vs rock lee SD)

Now, let's say that we decide that the lenght dictates the weight, movies are usually more condensed, shouldn't a 100 min movie weight more than 5 20 minutes episodes?

iN3krOApr 21, 2015 8:26 AM

Apr 29, 2015 9:41 PM

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Pointless. The reason for only allowing 5 favorites, is because they are your top 5 shows. Regardless if they are a movie, show, OVA. You can like a movie but not an OVA of the anime. Hell you can like the movie, but not the show of an anime.

Apr 29, 2015 9:42 PM

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LAOG said:
Pointless. The reason for only allowing 5 favorites, is because they are your top 5 shows. Regardless if they are a movie, show, OVA. You can like a movie but not an OVA of the anime. Hell you can like the movie, but not the show of an anime.

Then what about this feature only regarding direct sequels such as Code Geass or Attack on Titan?

Apr 29, 2015 9:43 PM

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Thread Cleaned and thread merged

Fyi the posts were deleted because it would make the topic more confusing.

Apr 29, 2015 10:28 PM

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Alex-and said:

How you feel about your hobby and what you love and hate has absolutely nothing to do with what is and isn't part of a franchise. The latter is factual while the former is emotional. You're arguing against a practical organization of facts because you "feel" certain series don't "deserve" to be grouped together despite their factual relation, yet, again, that doesn't change that there is a factual relation and that it would be practical to sort series using said relation.

I never said you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but that doesn't make your reasoning against this suggestion good.

TripleSRankApr 29, 2015 10:42 PM

Apr 30, 2015 3:49 AM

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If we were robots and all this problem was so logical, simple and clean, that suggestion would be already implemented with little to no debates. But we are people and this case is not the simple matter, that's why there are heated debates, so no, emotions do count there. What, you want to tell me that this whole thing started because someone thinks that it's illogical to include sequels, OVAs, movies, etc., not because someone feels that it's wrong? Sorry, not buying it. The whole thing started because someone thinks "oh god, there are so many franchises here that I don't like and so don't want to see in The Top", it's the same "argument" like "this anime is shit, it's stated fact, why it's in The Top", so no.

Apr 30, 2015 5:19 AM

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Alex-and said:
If we were robots and all this problem was so logical, simple and clean, that suggestion would be already implemented with little to no debates. But we are people and this case is not the simple matter, that's why there are heated debates, so no, emotions do count there. What, you want to tell me that this whole thing started because someone thinks that it's illogical to include sequels, OVAs, movies, etc., not because someone feels that it's wrong? Sorry, not buying it. The whole thing started because someone thinks "oh god, there are so many franchises here that I don't like and so don't want to see in The Top", it's the same "argument" like "this anime is shit, it's stated fact, why it's in The Top", so no.

The reason why Triple called your statement silly is because you deny a fact based on your opinion. To make it clearer, what you are saying is that we should not conside r Code Geass R1 and R2 as parts of the same franchise because some people may like one and hate the other, which is silly given that they are factually related.

Between, she never said that you have to be for or against the suggestion, just that this particular reason doesn't make sense.

Apr 30, 2015 6:49 AM

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Agafin said:
you deny a fact based on your opinion
what you are saying is that we should not conside r Code Geass R1 and R2 as parts of the same franchise

Quote where I said it or you're a liar.

Agafin said:
this particular reason doesn't make sense.

and this what we don't need here - someone's opinion about other's opinion. If she so badly wants to tell me that I'm wrong/silly/etc. - she can do it through personal messaging or profile comments. This tread is for people's opinions for or against merging titles into franchises, not for personal comments.

Apr 30, 2015 7:41 PM

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