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Feb 17, 2015 9:40 PM

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YorozuyaGinSan said:
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Inferno Cop for demonstrating that you don't need any of that fancy animation.
And then Trigger went on to make more successful shows with fancy animation.

Breaking the ground should leave a lasting effect on the industry.
Just wait until the second season of Inferno Cop.
Feb 17, 2015 9:59 PM

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Snk has great action and suspense with also a great plot which is full of mysteries. Also giant naked humans. Which other anime has the balls to make giant naked like people? Lol
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Which other anime has the balls to make giant naked like people?


I don't know, but the answer can't be SnK. That show featured creatures without genitals. Maybe that's explained though. Maybe they reproduce differently to regular people.
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Feb 17, 2015 10:07 PM

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As far as I know, Astro Boy is the anime that made anime popular. That in and of itself makes it more historically important than any other anime.

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EssentialAnime
maybe something like this?

Best reply to the thread by far. I didn't know this page existed 'till now. :o
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Feb 17, 2015 10:42 PM

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Neon Genesis Evangelion
Feb 17, 2015 11:07 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:
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Serial Experiments Lain.

magical realism
wut

mfw SEL has magical realism


It comes down to your interpretation. Certain events can be explained away from one perspective and mean a great deal from another. For example, when the kids saw Lain in the clouds (episode 5), one viewer could say that Lain is starting to be able to affect people's perception of events in the real world, while another says that this scene is actually children reaching out for advice online and acknowledging Lain as their true source of information. A surrogate parent/education/religion, so to speak. Magical realism is the guise that keeps the initial 'layer' of the story from being too obtuse (or rather, excuses it). Lain sees herself appear in the clouds being worshiped by children.
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Feb 17, 2015 11:22 PM

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The most influential and groundbreaking anime that I have watched are probably Eva, Akira and K-On!

On the other hand Kuroi Fuboki by Yoshihiro Tatsumi sets what Gekiga would be about, it literally pushes th eboundaries of story-telling in manga
Feb 17, 2015 11:23 PM

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icirate said:
keragamming said:
Which other anime has the balls to make giant naked like people?


I don't know, but the answer can't be SnK. That show featured creatures without genitals. Maybe that's explained though. Maybe they reproduce differently to regular people.


You didn't pay much attention while watching snk did you?
Feb 17, 2015 11:24 PM

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Evangelion probably, first major anime to deconstruct its characters in a realistic fashion. Also, a pretty accurate representation of mental illness.
Feb 17, 2015 11:25 PM

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keragamming said:
icirate said:


I don't know, but the answer can't be SnK. That show featured creatures without genitals. Maybe that's explained though. Maybe they reproduce differently to regular people.


You didn't pay much attention while watching snk did you?


I've barely seen any of it.

Glad to hear I'm wrong about that then.
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Feb 18, 2015 1:47 AM

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icirate said:
Seeing as groundbreaking =/= influential:

Serial Experiments Lain.

It's the first (and to my knowledge only) anime to coherently tell multiple stories simultaneously, through use of magical realism and symbolic characterization. Being able to pull off such an ambitious concept is something worthy of praise in my mind.


You should watch Baccano!if you want anime that "tell multiple stories coherently".


Feb 18, 2015 2:16 AM

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Think that Evangelion opened up the late night time slot on TV networks ,which wasn't very popular at the time.And also gave the boost for more darker/psychological original series that weren't based on any existing manga/novels during the late 90's.
But actually being a major influence over other series which came afterwards is quite a stretch ,I can only think of 2 series that actually did so:Rahxephon and Gasaraki.
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Feb 18, 2015 2:23 AM

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Waifu_Strangler said:
I'd go with my fav Ashita no Joe because it revolutionized story telling in anime by giving us a much more complex plot than what was seen before and introducing levels of drama and character development that are rarely seen even today. Also the animation was unmatched as far as TV series go at the time.


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Feb 18, 2015 3:45 AM

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Think that Evangelion opened up the late night time slot on TV networks ,which wasn't very popular at the time.And also gave the boost for more darker/psychological original series that weren't based on any existing manga/novels during the late 90's.
But actually being a major influence over other series which came afterwards is quite a stretch ,I can only think of 2 series that actually did so:Rahxephon and Gasaraki.

There are a lot of characters based on Shinji, Asuka and Rei though. Also, I think mindfuck series are heavily influenced by NGE.
Feb 18, 2015 3:49 AM

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7 pages and only 3 mentions of Inferno Cop? MAL pls.
Feb 18, 2015 9:27 AM

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Maybe something in Tezuka's age. Like astro boy or something

From the age of movies and shorts they made weekly shows and molded them into how they are today.
They found a way to create cheaper animation with adding opening songs and ending credits, trasformation sequences, reusing past scenes etc. And all of that in the form of a weekly show.

They grounds for the anime industry to come where basically created that way.
Feb 18, 2015 9:59 AM

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Aldnoah.Zero maybe ? Because Most of the Moon's ground was destroyed = groundbraking
Feb 18, 2015 2:05 PM

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Sword Art Online because Kirito x Asuna is the greatest couple in anime history.


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Feb 18, 2015 7:08 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:
icirate said:
It comes down to your interpretation. Certain events can be explained away from one perspective and mean a great deal from another. For example, when the kids saw Lain in the clouds (episode 5), one viewer could say that Lain is starting to be able to affect people's perception of events in the real world, while another says that this scene is actually children reaching out for advice online and acknowledging Lain as their true source of information. A surrogate parent/education/religion, so to speak. Magical realism is the guise that keeps the initial 'layer' of the story from being too obtuse (or rather, excuses it). Lain sees herself appear in the clouds being worshiped by children.
You're mistaking surrealistic experiences with magical realism when the two couldn't be any more different. SEL is a psychological science fiction experience, and your example here plays to the surreal and psychedelic aspect and certainly not to any notion of magical realism, which relies more on fantasy, magic, and mythological elements in an otherwise normalized or ordinary setting.


That's what I get for trying to explain myself without spoilers. I'm probably not going to be able to justify this in a single post so if you have any questions, fire away.


I guess we can just call that excessive symbolism of you want though. I'm not going to start a fight over semantics and you're right that what I'm suggesting is still really pushing the boundaries of what 'magical realism' is supposed to encompass.
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One Piece because Luffy is the greatest MC the animated world has to offer.
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Zergneedsfood said:
just because things don't "make sense from a scientific" perspective doesn't automatically mean it's magical realism, because as long as the "presentation" of a scientific atmosphere exists, then the work in question should be more regarded as science fiction than one of magical realism.


Fair call. I never considered the two terms as generally being mutually exclusive but you make a good case that they should be treated as such. I can respect that.

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Feb 18, 2015 8:05 PM

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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0. It's truly groundbreaking, with a quake of intensity of 8.0.
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Feb 18, 2015 8:18 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:
Also sci-fi/magical realism aren't mutually exclusive, as I demonstrate with my last example. I just think there need to be certain factors in play to make the proper case that they're working in tandem.


I am not phrasing myself well today. I read that example as the 'exception that proves the rule', if that makes sense.
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Feb 18, 2015 8:21 PM

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Mickey Mouse cause it birthed Anime (I think, either way though doesn't matter, stand by my choice)
Feb 18, 2015 8:49 PM

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Mickey Mouse cause it birthed Anime (I think, either way though doesn't matter, stand by my choice)


Actually the first Japanese animation is from 1907 and its said that they had animations before that point but they were destroyed in ensuing natural disasters.
Feb 18, 2015 10:26 PM

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This is hard. I'm gonna go ahead and say Tenchi Muyo, the first set of OVAs. That seems to be what set off the succession of harem animes in the 90s. The hell of it is I think Tenchi is the only harem series that worked and its status as a harem anime is debatable.

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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0. It's truly groundbreaking, with a quake of intensity of 8.0.

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Feb 19, 2015 2:32 AM

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Death Note by far. Even many non-Anime fans watch it to this day, and not only serves as a great gateway Anime, but one of the most popular and critically acclaimed titles (It's the most popular title on MAL, though that's not saying much really).

Hell, I've even heard people call Attack on Titan "Death Note 2".
Feb 19, 2015 3:16 AM

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Anything Type-Moon X Ufotable(Kara no Kyoukai or Fate/Zero): Best animation I've ever seen.

Cowboy Bebop: For starting the anime revolution in the west.

Evangelion: Because it's fucking Evangelion.
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Dark_Chaos said:
Death Note by far. Even many non-Anime fans watch it to this day, and not only serves as a great gateway Anime, but one of the most popular and critically acclaimed titles (It's the most popular title on MAL, though that's not saying much really).

Hell, I've even heard people call Attack on Titan "Death Note 2".


Im between Death Note and AoT, so different but for me the plot is interesting and goundbreaking
Feb 19, 2015 3:39 AM

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Dark_Chaos said:
Death Note by far. Even many non-Anime fans watch it to this day, and not only serves as a great gateway Anime, but one of the most popular and critically acclaimed titles (It's the most popular title on MAL, though that's not saying much really).

Hell, I've even heard people call Attack on Titan "Death Note 2".

1.Same Director 2.It's not groundbreaking in the slightest.
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Feb 19, 2015 3:43 AM

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Dark_Chaos said:
Death Note by far. Even many non-Anime fans watch it to this day, and not only serves as a great gateway Anime, but one of the most popular and critically acclaimed titles (It's the most popular title on MAL, though that's not saying much really).

Hell, I've even heard people call Attack on Titan "Death Note 2".

1.Same Director 2.It's not groundbreaking in the slightest.

And why do you think is that, may I ask? Please, elaborate.
Feb 19, 2015 4:28 AM

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Hunter x Hunter


1) By far the most original anime to date, and has inspired a great deal of anime who went on to be big and further lend more popularity to the industry, exmples are Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Toriko, etc...

2) The greatest diversity of cast. In character, design, and age. Completely different styles coming together to one story while still having things tied together to form a non-abusive variety. From Disney-like cartoon-ish characters to very realistic looking ones.

3) By far the anime with the single most tonal shifts, with all sorts of styles and atmospheres for each arc. This can be done easily, but not to this extent, where despite being so different they STILL feel connected, consistent, rather than just random shifts that make little sense.


4) The most complex plot device I've ever seen, not in Anime, but fiction in general. The thought put into this, and the sheer brilliance of it that makes it self-generating (even without the author explaining something, Nen can work to explain something by itself, for itself, and for other things). It's a great mix of good foresigt and creativity.

5) The only long-running anime to keep the quality after so long. (most don't even start that well)



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Dark_Chaos said:
EvenJellyOn said:

1.Same Director 2.It's not groundbreaking in the slightest.

And why do you think is that, may I ask? Please, elaborate.


Well Attack on Titan isn't groundbreaking at all - it's a fairly typical dark shounen with a vaguely interesting world. It's not amazing it just got a good anime and manages to push the right badass buttons.

It also is not really anything like Death Note. Death Note's supposed to be a psychological thriller, there's very few action scenes in the series so the comparison's pretty weak. The only way you can compare them is that they are both gateway anime - along with Code Geass, Bleach, One Piece...etc.

Did Death Note change the industry? I don't know enough about series pre and post Death Note to argue that. It had an impact in the western market, but that has never really changed the industry...

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Hunter x Hunter


1) By far the most original anime to date, and has inspired a great deal of anime who went on to be big and further lend more popularity to the industry, exmples are Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Toriko, etc...



Lol. Sure, the most original...
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1) Present completely new ideas (which seemed impossible in this day and age
2) completely spin other ideas in its own style



That's definitely the most original.
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Syndiciate said:
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Mickey Mouse cause it birthed Anime (I think, either way though doesn't matter, stand by my choice)


Actually the first Japanese animation is from 1907 and its said that they had animations before that point but they were destroyed in ensuing natural disasters.
Yes but it was nigh impossible to support anime commercially back then so anime was relatively unknown during that time period. The first "real" anime was "The Tale of the White Serpent", a heavily disney influenced anime.
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7 pages and only 3 mentions of Inferno Cop? MAL pls.


Inferno Cop
Feb 19, 2015 4:44 AM

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Probably Death Note, because to this day I've never seen anything like it.
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WrongPriest said:
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7 pages and only 3 mentions of Inferno Cop? MAL pls.


Inferno Cop

You have good taste.
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Anything Type-Moon X Ufotable(Kara no Kyoukai or Fate/Zero): Best animation I've ever seen.

Cowboy Bebop: For starting the anime revolution in the west.



akira did that
and lol at the type moon being groundbreaking
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VitaminCaim said:
Syndiciate said:


Actually the first Japanese animation is from 1907 and its said that they had animations before that point but they were destroyed in ensuing natural disasters.
Yes but it was nigh impossible to support anime commercially back then so anime was relatively unknown during that time period. The first "real" anime was "The Tale of the White Serpent", a heavily disney influenced anime.



Hakujenden based on a Chinese tale so not dinsey influenced cuase it based it self more accuraly on said tale tha disney bsed there Hua Mulan adapation
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FGAU1912 said:
VitaminCaim said:
Yes but it was nigh impossible to support anime commercially back then so anime was relatively unknown during that time period. The first "real" anime was "The Tale of the White Serpent", a heavily disney influenced anime.



Hakujenden based on a Chinese tale so not dinsey influenced cuase it based it self more accuraly on said tale tha disney bsed there Hua Mulan adapation
The plot is an adaptation of the Chinese tale but the art style and animation is definitely Disney influenced
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VitaminCaim said:
FGAU1912 said:



Hakujenden based on a Chinese tale so not dinsey influenced cuase it based it self more accuraly on said tale tha disney bsed there Hua Mulan adapation
The plot is an adaptation of the Chinese tale but the art style and animation is definitely Disney influenced



how come it so much more accuraly done then the disney version of a chinses tale then hmm
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FGAU1912 said:
VitaminCaim said:
The plot is an adaptation of the Chinese tale but the art style and animation is definitely Disney influenced



how come it so much more accuraly done then the disney version of a chinses tale then hmm
I'm talking about the art style and animation, the plot or source material itself has nothing to do with what I stated.
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VitaminCaim said:
FGAU1912 said:



how come it so much more accuraly done then the disney version of a chinses tale then hmm
I'm talking about the art style and animation, the plot or source material itself has nothing to do with what I stated.


ok then
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Dark_Chaos said:

And why do you think is that, may I ask? Please, elaborate.


Well Attack on Titan isn't groundbreaking at all - it's a fairly typical dark shounen with a vaguely interesting world. It's not amazing it just got a good anime and manages to push the right badass buttons.

It also is not really anything like Death Note. Death Note's supposed to be a psychological thriller, there's very few action scenes in the series so the comparison's pretty weak. The only way you can compare them is that they are both gateway anime - along with Code Geass, Bleach, One Piece...etc.

Did Death Note change the industry? I don't know enough about series pre and post Death Note to argue that. It had an impact in the western market, but that has never really changed the industry...

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Hunter x Hunter


1) By far the most original anime to date, and has inspired a great deal of anime who went on to be big and further lend more popularity to the industry, exmples are Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Toriko, etc...



Lol. Sure, the most original...

You can name me a title that did things Death Note did before Death Note then, I presume? I would love to hear of it if you happen to know one.
Feb 19, 2015 11:14 AM

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Some people in this thread are just posting their favorite anime
There is a difference in groundbreaking anime and your favorite anime
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Seems that HxH was mentioned through this thread more than anything else...


Not bad!
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Mikasa said:
Seems that HxH was mentioned through this thread more than anything else...


Not bad!

>peeps post their fav anime
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Mikasa said:
Seems that HxH was mentioned through this thread more than anything else...


Not bad!


Stop trying to rewrite history you dog.

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