"Last month, the Paris offices of satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo were attacked, leaving twelve dead. Recently, however, famed Japanese animator Hayao Miyazaki said he believes the French paper's Muhammad cartoons were a "mistake." Gunmen Kill 12 in Shooting at Paris Satirical Newspaper Masked gunmen wielding Kalashnikovs and a rocket launcher killed at least 12 people and injured 10… Read more gawker.com In a TBS radio interview, Miyazaki discussed the shooting, which took the lives of several of France's most famous satirical cartoonists. Miyazaki is a co-founder of Studio Ghibli and responsible for iconic anime like My Neighbor Totoro. "For me, I think it's a mistake to make caricatures of what different cultures worship," said Miyazaki when asked about the Hebdo attack [via Yahoo! News]. "It's a good idea to stop doing that."1 That doesn't mean Miyazaki is against satire or criticism. For him, caricatures should be used in a different manner.2 "First and foremost, [caricatures] should be made of your own country's politicians." According to 47News, Miyazaki added, "It's just looks suspect to go after political leaders from other countries." 3 It's worth noting that Charlie Hebdo has also lampooned Catholicism, by far the largest religion in France, as well as numerous French politicians. 4 Nikkan Sports reports that elsewhere in the radio interview, Miyazaki expressed his concern over Japan's current prime minister and discussed the country's position in the world." http://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-calls-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-a-mistake-1686242173 -------------------------------------- Mod Note: Thread locked This was necro'd. Please refrain from reviving old threads. In accordance with the board specific rules please remember to follow the Site Guidelines as well to further prevent violations. |
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| I agree. Sure, you have free rights and speech, but that does not mean you should insult a whole group and then expect not to get fucked by them. Also, what's the point in insulting them? If they know how oversensitive some muslims can be, why push the boundaries? |
| So hes telling them to not satirize another culture, while he himself is judging the actions of another culture. Okayyy.... Its true people should criticize their own country more than others but that shouldnt mean it has to be ignored entirely. TheRealNico said: Damnit you stole my future product nameALLAH SNACKYBAR |
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| Hayao Miyazaki: "The universe was a mistake" I swear that he's turned into a grumpy old man that openly criticizes anything he disagrees with. The Charlie Hebdo caricatures definitely weren't the wisest and most logical thing they could do, but I disagree that only local politics, people and events should be subject to satire. |
| What CH does isn't satire. It's mindless shit humor. If satire were South Park, Charlie Hebdo would be Terrance and Phillips. |
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| If Hayao Miyazaki (SAWS) say it, then it is true! |
traed said: Miyazaki is a well known hypocrite, i disregard alot of what he says.So hes telling them to not satirize another culture, while he himself is judging the actions of another culture. Okayyy.... Its true people should criticize their own country more than others but that shouldnt mean it has to be ignored entirely. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Age has not treated this legend well, maybe it was for the best that he retired. |
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Mikasa said: Yeah. There's also a big difference between "a different culture" and an anti-West culture of religious extremism.What CH does isn't satire. It's mindless shit humor. If satire were South Park, Charlie Hebdo would be Terrance and Phillips. Miyazaki is right (that Hebdo was a mistake) for the wrong reasons, imo. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. |
| If you can't insult a particular group without severe backlash then they are the problem. If you can't handle criticism you need to grow the fuck up. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
JonyJC said: Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. More like not assimilating immigrants in France is a mistake and giving them no-go zones is a mistake. |
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| People are trying to find contradictions where there are none. He criticized an action, not a culture. And did so critically. Not by being someone who's hungry for phallic-shaped/filled drawings. Joshiraku said: Mikasa said: Yeah. There's also a big difference between "a different culture" and an anti-West culture of religious extremism.What CH does isn't satire. It's mindless shit humor. If satire were South Park, Charlie Hebdo would be Terrance and Phillips. Miyazaki is right (that Hebdo was a mistake) for the wrong reasons, imo. What the hell does that even mean? That can be said both ways really. And what exremists do on one side, entire governments do on the other, to the one with "extremists", I'm saying extremism should not be judged as an immaculate problem, first, by nations that have their governments do the dirty work and have public support on it, and second by nations that have bred these types of extremists in the first place. Or at least paved the way for them to crawl out of their caves. icirate said: If you can't insult a particular group without severe backlash then they are the problem. If you can't handle criticism you need to grow the fuck up. Let's try this then: Killing those artists was an expression, the blood, the bullets, the corpses, they all express, very strongly, an opinion. So people need to grow up and get over it. |
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| it's hard to take what this guy says seriously |
| Well judging that his whole "Anime was a mistake" comment was a joke quoted out of context, can I assume this is out of context too? I mean they don't have any full statement he made, just 3 or 4 sentences . . . Out of an entire interview. I mean does it take Miyazaki 1 minute to say a single word? On a side note, I would agree with NOT drawing Muhammad, at that point you are just intentionally upsetting a group of people. I mean the results have occurred multiple times when you poke the bear, why are people shocked it keeps happening? I do believe in Freedom of Speech, and if their was a valid reason to depict Muhammad, sure why not, but in all honesty these groups are doing so with the intent of pissing of Muslims. I don't see why they are then shocked with the results. |
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JonyJC said: Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. |
NotJizzyHitler said: That may be true, but there's nothing hypocritical about Miyazaki's present comments. He's not saying anything remotely close to "it's not okay to judge other cultures"; he's saying that it's not okay to satirize foreign religious/political leaders. In making those comments, he's not satirizing any foreign religious/political leaders—there's no hypocrisy there.traed said: Miyazaki is a well known hypocrite, i disregard alot of what he says.So hes telling them to not satirize another culture, while he himself is judging the actions of another culture. Okayyy.... Its true people should criticize their own country more than others but that shouldnt mean it has to be ignored entirely. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Pirating_Ninja said: Well judging that his whole "Anime was a mistake" comment was a joke quoted out of context, can I assume this is out of context too? I mean they don't have any full statement he made, just 3 or 4 sentences . . . Out of an entire interview. I mean does it take Miyazaki 1 minute to say a single word? On a side note, I would agree with NOT drawing Muhammad, at that point you are just intentionally upsetting a group of people. I mean the results have occurred multiple times when you poke the bear, why are people shocked it keeps happening? I do believe in Freedom of Speech, and if their was a valid reason to depict Muhammad, sure why not, but in all honesty these groups are doing so with the intent of pissing of Muslims. I don't see why they are then shocked with the results. This group doesn't piss off just Muslims specifically. Their cartoons are offensive to everyone: Christians, gays, black people. etc. Look up some of their covers and you can see that the entire purpose of their cartoons is to offend any type of group they can. I personally don't "approve" of what they're doing but if they want to, why not? Freedom of speech shouldn't be limited to who's offended and who's not. If they want to continue with the Mohammad cartoons with the possibility of being targeted again, then let 'em. At this rate it'll be a service that ISIS is doing by fucking them up again |
| He comes from a country where pantsu shots and bouncing oppai are considered as comedy gold I don't expect him to understand French humor |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Joshiraku said: Pretty much this. I would throw in that he never criticized a certain group or people, he said "you shouldn't ...", however isn't that advice? He even started with "For me," or in other words "In my opinion", hence making it clear that he was NOT trying to say that his comments were denoting their actions as "right" or "wrong".NotJizzyHitler said: That may be true, but there's nothing hypocritical about Miyazaki's present comments. He's not saying anything remotely close to "it's not okay to judge other cultures"; he's saying that it's not okay to satirize foreign religious/political leaders. In making those comments, he's not satirizing any foreign religious/political leaders—there's no hypocrisy there.Miyazaki is a well known hypocrite, i disregard alot of what he says. |
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Mikasa said: I mean that Charlie Hebdo knew exactly who they were provoking (a group of religious extremists who believe, perhaps justly, that they are being oppressed by the West). That was part of there mistake. I don't see how any of what you wrote is relevant, but yeah, lol.Joshiraku said: What the hell does that even mean? That can be said both ways really. And what exremists do on one side, entire governments do on the other, to the one with "extremists", I'm saying extremism should not be judged as an immaculate problem, first, by nations that have their governments do the dirty work and have public support on it, and second by nations that have bred these types of extremists in the first place. Or at least paved the way for them to crawl out of their caves.There's also a big difference between "a different culture" and an anti-West culture of religious extremism. Miyazaki is right (that Hebdo was a mistake) for the wrong reasons, imo. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
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monarchyanarchy said: No I understand that. I'm saying that if you are going to complain about the end result of "poking the bear" then don't do it. It makes it sound like I don't care for those that died, and while I do feel bad for them, I can also say that they could have just as easily not died had they not "poked the bear". Basically it "comes with the territory". What I disagree with though, is how because of the radicals these guys stir up, it continuously sends the stereotype that all Muslims are terrorists. Of course the best solution would be for all the extremists to just "take a chill pill", but since that won't happen, the next best thing, is NOT draw Muhammad, or accept being killed should it happen.Pirating_Ninja said: Well judging that his whole "Anime was a mistake" comment was a joke quoted out of context, can I assume this is out of context too? I mean they don't have any full statement he made, just 3 or 4 sentences . . . Out of an entire interview. I mean does it take Miyazaki 1 minute to say a single word? On a side note, I would agree with NOT drawing Muhammad, at that point you are just intentionally upsetting a group of people. I mean the results have occurred multiple times when you poke the bear, why are people shocked it keeps happening? I do believe in Freedom of Speech, and if their was a valid reason to depict Muhammad, sure why not, but in all honesty these groups are doing so with the intent of pissing of Muslims. I don't see why they are then shocked with the results. This group doesn't piss off just Muslims specifically. Their cartoons are offensive to everyone: Christians, gays, black people. etc. Look up some of their covers and you can see that the entire purpose of their cartoons is to offend any type of group they can. I personally don't "approve" of what they're doing but if they want to, why not? Freedom of speech shouldn't be limited to who's offended and who's not. If they want to continue with the Mohammad cartoons with the possibility of being targeted again, then let 'em. At this rate it'll be a service that ISIS is doing by fucking them up again |
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SetsukoHara said: JonyJC said: Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. is it true you Frenchmen hate Jews? No wonder you cowards collaborated with the Nazis |
Zeally said: SetsukoHara said: LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. is it true you Frenchmen hate Jews? No wonder you cowards collaborated with the Nazis >10 hours: 1 min 37 sec of abuse. (unless there's a whole video of it). > Some random remarks, some have no meaning, others completely out of context, the fact that they had to sub in "spits" shows how debatable that really was. Attention whoring at it's finest. |
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Zeally said: SetsukoHara said: LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. is it true you Frenchmen hate Jews? Some do, yes. But I'm quite sure they're far from the majority. Zeally said: No wonder you cowards collaborated with the Nazis LMAO! Have a little respect for those who help your country when it was still a British colony. |
Zeally said: SetsukoHara said: LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. is it true you Frenchmen hate Jews? No wonder you cowards collaborated with the Nazis "Viva Palestine" isn't really a hate comment. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
SetsukoHara said: Zeally said: is it true you Frenchmen hate Jews? Some do, yes. But I'm quite sure they're far from the majority. Zeally said: No wonder you cowards collaborated with the Nazis LMAO! Have a little respect for those who help your country when it was still a British colony. lol i was jk i'm just pushing your strings <3 |
| We should censor ourselves because of violent religious thugs with guns? nah |
Zeally said: That video was filmed in one of the suburbs of Paris where many muslims live |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| The reason why muslims don't like mohammed being drawn is because their entire religion is against idol worship. I assume that drawing him would make him a hypocrite so that is why he said don't "draw me" because people would start worshipping him in the same way people "worship" priests ect. Obviously not applicable hear but still it seems their goal was to piss people off. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Comic_Sans said: Zeally said: That video was filmed in one of the suburbs of Paris where many muslims liveThe hatred between the muslims and jews is unreasonable. I will say about the jews is that they run scared when threatened but are brutal when waging their own conflicts when they have power. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Comic_Sans said: Zeally said: That video was filmed in one of the suburbs of Paris where many muslims liveIn France they have this common saying, شقة الصدر شقة الصدر شقة كما فطيرة |
SetsukoHara said: JonyJC said: Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. I'm sure Charlemagne would love having Saracens wandering his country's streets. |
Joshiraku said: But thats the entire point I was subtly making although too spaced out to get that through. Islam is a world religion not a foreign one. Sure satirizing a foreign leader can possibly cause issues but so would critically asessing them. But if one does not assess them it isolates these countries and helps keep them stagnant and prevent change happening as easily and its already hard enough as is. Of course countries should mainly focus on their own politics though.NotJizzyHitler said: That may be true, but there's nothing hypocritical about Miyazaki's present comments. He's not saying anything remotely close to "it's not okay to judge other cultures"; he's saying that it's not okay to satirize foreign religious/political leaders. In making those comments, he's not satirizing any foreign religious/political leaders—there's no hypocrisy there.Miyazaki is a well known hypocrite, i disregard alot of what he says. |
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| He's a fucking retard. That's all we need to know. No, we don't need to stop making caricatures because people will be offended. No, we don't need to stop criticizing ideologies/etc because people will be offended. That is absurd. We can criticize, insult, satirize, joke, debate, argue about anything and we will be answered accordingly, with criticism, insults, satire, jokes, debates and argument. And I'm not saying he's condoning what has happened there, he didn't say that either, but he's condoning silencing others, and that goes for anyone that does the same, they're all fucking retards (the French, German and other idiots included). |
ImmahnoobFeb 17, 2015 2:53 PM
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
JonyJC said: SetsukoHara said: LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. I'm sure Charlemagne would love having Saracens wandering his country's streets. I'm sure he would also love democracy and secularism. |
| Well I don't know what to think. Did Miyazaki not sympathize at all for the artists like him who did no harm and were killed for their creations, or did the article just leave it out. |
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| I'm sure no sane public figure would go on and say "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS, ARTIST SKULLS FOR THE ISLAM" in an interview, unless he wants that type of publicity or he has some other type of agenda, so I guess it was either left out or he didn't say anything at all. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: I'm sure no sane public figure would go on and say "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS, ARTIST SKULLS FOR THE ISLAM" in an interview, unless he wants that type of publicity or he has some other type of agenda, so I guess it was either left out or he didn't say anything at all. *blood for God not Gods |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
SetsukoHara said: JonyJC said: I'm sure Charlemagne would love having Saracens wandering his country's streets. I'm sure he would also love democracy and secularism. The respect one owes to his ancestors completely escapes you it seems, you probably aren't even French. |
black1blade said: Someone doesn't get the reference.Immahnoob said: I'm sure no sane public figure would go on and say "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS, ARTIST SKULLS FOR THE ISLAM" in an interview, unless he wants that type of publicity or he has some other type of agenda, so I guess it was either left out or he didn't say anything at all. *blood for God not Gods |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
SetsukoHara said: JonyJC said: Permitting scum to your country is a mistake. LOL, the terrorists were French and born in France. National groups can be decided by race rather than nationalism. |
JonyJC said: SetsukoHara said: I'm sure he would also love democracy and secularism. The respect one owes to his ancestors completely escapes you it seems, you probably aren't even French. I respect what he did for France but that doesn't mean that I should behave like a sheep and share his morality and his worldview. |
| This is entirely his own fault indeed. Promoting racism through his cartoons will never have you been taken seriously. However, the cartoons he made were hilarious though, and rightfully so. |
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