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Jan 17, 2015 7:57 AM
#301
deadoptimist said: My point exactlyEdit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. |
Jan 17, 2015 8:00 AM
#302
Wrong way to look at the story: A lot of people as I can see are only thinking about the system of judging and the game themselves, but I don't think that the show is actually about that (it least I hope it isn't, we'll see how it goes). I mean, let's put aside the fact that the system of judging might be on the level of a two years old. What about the fact that some souls get actually "destroyed" (sent to the void) and some get reincarnated (reborn). In other words, the number of souls would with time drop and the whole system would implode on itself when there will be not enough souls to judge. (Unless there is a way to "create" souls, and if so, the whole thing get's over a normal humans possibility of understanding anything at all... if it were able to create a soul, I am guessing it is able to modify one (pure logic here), so the fact that some souls get "destroyed" does not make sense anyway).... OK, I am drifting away from the topic at hand.... What I am trying to say is that you shouldn't look at the show from a "gods" points of view, but from a humans. And regarding that, the biggest question at hand here is: is your life more worth then the life of someone else? Or simply said: Is it worth killing someone so you can survive yourself? Is that morally acceptable? I think that is the real question behind the whole Death Parade. If you find the answer to that, you can apply it to anything in life as well. Is it okay to eat the last piece of cake yourself? Are your desires/dreams/wishes (be it the desire to live or the desire to eat ice cream) more worth then those of others? If so, why? THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION. ... This is, of course, if the creators of the show did actually give a though to it and tryed creating something what is actually called "art", instead of just putting something popular together and hoping to earn some big cash for it... So that if still remains :P |
edwardoJan 17, 2015 8:08 AM
Holo said: "There is no better time to part, then when we wish for it never to end." Satou said: "It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself... Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers... " |
Jan 17, 2015 8:16 AM
#303
Jan 17, 2015 8:44 AM
#304
Can't they use some of the animation budget on kiseijuu cause that series needs it. This episode basically wants mr dec... a mediator for his choices cause his choices are too straightforward. See I knew that wife is suppose to be reincarnated (doesn't say into a human though based on buddhism she could be anything) but we don't have to figure out what happens to her cause the husband is , maybe a male praying mantis and get his head bit off. But seriously why are we making this smoker choose who to be sent to the scary netherworld, looks like your code geass witchcraft eyes does not make you japans' next top dead gate keeper. No hate |
My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
Jan 17, 2015 8:48 AM
#305
deadoptimist said: Didn't like it for the most part. On one hand, I usually enjoy behind-the-curtains stories. On the other hand, I am not particularly fond of night bar setting. Also different kinds of stories about afterlife have been done many times already (and they usually are pretentious, which seems to be the case here too), but having your life judged by a flawed person in a bar after a game of darts is mercilessly boring. The bar itself looks like a sort of tedious hell. And It doesn't help that the logic behind the system isn't visible. In short, the graphics are nice, the characters are mildly interesting, but I am not enjoying the storytelling. The other problem is that a lot of screentime was wasted in this episode. The viewers have discussed the different perspectives on the relationships in the couple form ep.1, so they could've went way faster with the explanations. Edit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. Actually the judgement doesn't make sense. I was thinking the same thing. However, I feel like there might be some processing afterward. My biggest thought is the people that live on the last 3 floors (after Nona). The old man seen in the intro according to the character bios (which still aren't on MAL) is apparently the closest thing to a God. My guess is that he probably makes some adjustments to the judgments, but I can only guess at that. We'll just have to find out. |
mitch3315 said: This might be a bit hard for you to believe, I know I didn't at first, but the thing is that other people actually have different opinions to your own. Crazy, right? How dare they not conform to your opinion on this show, or any other, who the hell do they think they are? |
Jan 17, 2015 8:54 AM
#307
A clever episode. I thought the show would start out with a series of games, at least in the beginning, then more of the system would be revealed, but this is nice. The scope has been broadened and I'm very intrigued. Poor Machiko. |
Jan 17, 2015 8:57 AM
#308
Lothbrok said: OP and ed are the best this season i want the full version of them Not all too hard considering most this season are complete garbage |
Jan 17, 2015 9:05 AM
#309
edwardo said: Wrong way to look at the story: A lot of people as I can see are only thinking about the system of judging and the game themselves, but I don't think that the show is actually about that (it least I hope it isn't, we'll see how it goes). I mean, let's put aside the fact that the system of judging might be on the level of a two years old. What about the fact that some souls get actually "destroyed" (sent to the void) and some get reincarnated (reborn). In other words, the number of souls would with time drop and the whole system would implode on itself when there will be not enough souls to judge. (Unless there is a way to "create" souls, and if so, the whole thing get's over a normal humans possibility of understanding anything at all... if it were able to create a soul, I am guessing it is able to modify one (pure logic here), so the fact that some souls get "destroyed" does not make sense anyway).... OK, I am drifting away from the topic at hand.... What I am trying to say is that you shouldn't look at the show from a "gods" points of view, but from a humans. And regarding that, the biggest question at hand here is: is your life more worth then the life of someone else? Or simply said: Is it worth killing someone so you can survive yourself? Is that morally acceptable? I think that is the real question behind the whole Death Parade. If you find the answer to that, you can apply it to anything in life as well. Is it okay to eat the last piece of cake yourself? Are your desires/dreams/wishes (be it the desire to live or the desire to eat ice cream) more worth then those of others? If so, why? THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION. ... This is, of course, if the creators of the show did actually give a though to it and tryed creating something what is actually called "art", instead of just putting something popular together and hoping to earn some big cash for it... So that if still remains :P I was reading your post, then saw your name is edwardo. My real name is Edward, so I think that I should give you a reply :) What you just said is true. Me myself don't know that question, and I think that it's not morally acceptable. I prefer for the desire to eat ice cream :) I'm saying that we shoudn't choose to live if what we're gonna do isn't what we like, so do what you want and live on with your life even though if your life is at stake :) |
Jan 17, 2015 9:08 AM
#310
There're simply too many questions. I can't get past the problem of why two people, who died at the same moment, have to divide the two routes between themselves. What happens if the two of them are virtuous, or both guilty? And the fact that Decim is an unreliable judge undermines any possible explanation. As far as I know, in most popular religions the position of the afterlife judge is very important and is usually held by the wisest. I guess, we'll have to wait after ep. 4 to know more, since there will be new souls to be judged next time. But I don't hold my breath for a logical explanation. I only hope that they'll add more humor, then I'll contimue to watch the even-numbered episodes. And I'd like more attetion to everyday details in behind the scenes moments. Edit: Though I liked the way Decim turns out. His type is usually perfect, so it's nice to see him lacking something and geniunly creepy. With his strings and mannequins, it seems that he is a puppeteer. It'd be interesting if he was some sort of psychopath maniac and this was his sentence. |
deadoptimistJan 17, 2015 9:12 AM
Jan 17, 2015 9:12 AM
#311
Oh, looks like a SNAFU has been committed and white haired girl doesn't seem to mind. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:13 AM
#312
This show needs a story, not just having deads coming in Quindecim and playing games to decide who's going to the void or the other. I just like the bar with Decim is the bartender. Let's see more of this if I'll get satisfied. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:18 AM
#313
well im happy that my hunch is true, that she really did cheat(obviously) but it is his child and she really love him |
Jan 17, 2015 9:19 AM
#314
Pretty intresting to get a look 'behind the scenes'. Seems like she betrayed him after all, altough it was a one time thing still bad. The question in the end was intresting, would they have lived a long and happy life if he trusted her more? They woudent have died in a car crash thats for sure, but like Nona said he was a guy who trusted no one even his wife, he had a good reason for it tho. I guess it would have ended bad annyway then. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:20 AM
#315
deadoptimist said: Didn't like it for the most part. On one hand, I usually enjoy behind-the-curtains stories. On the other hand, I am not particularly fond of night bar setting. Also different kinds of stories about afterlife have been done many times already (and they usually are pretentious, which seems to be the case here too), but having your life judged by a flawed person in a bar after a game of darts is mercilessly boring. The bar itself looks like a sort of tedious hell. And It doesn't help that the logic behind the system isn't visible. In short, the graphics are nice, the characters are mildly interesting, but I am not enjoying the storytelling. The other problem is that a lot of screentime was wasted in this episode. The viewers have discussed the different perspectives on the relationships in the couple form ep.1, so they could've went way faster with the explanations. Edit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. Actually the judgement doesn't make sense. you realize that it was one or the other right? lets pretend they didn't drive together and only she died while driving somewhere. if it had been her who cheated on her husband vs some completely random dude who happend to die at the same time because he was trying to kill someone else and the gun accidently went off and killed him. that guy would have went to the void not her. problem is we only got a short bit of their life to judge. what happend before their relationship? why did he have issues trusting people anyway? the judgement was based only on their relationship and not their entire life. i mean it makes sense for the series because going through their entire life would have obviously not worked for the episode but to judge them if they can be reborn or not it is obviously not enough and why it has to be one or the other. who knows maybe we will learn that over the course of the series. the first episode was to introduce us to decim and the setting of the series in general. the second episode introduced us to onna and nona and explained some background stuff. |
xSanoxJan 17, 2015 9:35 AM
Jan 17, 2015 9:21 AM
#316
I really liked this episode. It was an awesome way of introducing the two characters we briefly met at the end of the first episode. Already on the second episode we're hit with a plot twist. Very cool stuff! Can't wait for the next episode. I do hope we honestly don't need to experience a "behind the scenes" episode after ever game. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:38 AM
#317
Tokoya said: deadoptimist said: My point exactlyEdit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. Everyone makes mistakes. Cheating is a mistake. In the end, we learned that she still loved him enough to sacrifice herself. So...like, honestly, people who are saying it's okay to destroy a soul for cheating is denying her love and saying it''s okay to condemn people for all of eternity...just for making a mistake. Some people have their heads screwed on the wrong way. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:43 AM
#318
Most important part is that they don't judge them solely on their memories. Their action in the game change everything. I'm not sure if people forgot or just didn't watch Death Billiards, but the cheater in that one got Reincarnation. a person's life is not defined by one mistake. The game was to see their true nature. I also don't think Decim is used to getting that many couples. It's probably easier to judge when it's two strangers against each other. The concept of self sacrifice seemed to throw him. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:48 AM
#319
The void is not really "hell" or even that bad if you think about it. The void is simply your soul being "lost forever" but it doesn't mean your consciousness will be wandering around in a dark pit for the rest of eternity. It's not much different from an atheist view of death, you die and you don't come back. Shit, I can live with that, pun not intended. In fact, what makes reincarnation so much better anyways? What makes living another life as someone else (and being none the wiser about the fact that you just got reincarnated) something to be desired? Are certain aspects of one's soul retained during reincarnation? If that were the case, maybe I would believe that reincarnation is better than being sent to the void. If not, then you would think that after a few "generations" of being reincarnated, every single soul would eventually be sent to the void. |
Jan 17, 2015 9:51 AM
#320
Hmm, so we have this black-haired girl as a new assistant of Quindecim. I like how this takes place from a different perspective of Episode 1. I also like how the mechanics of the games were explained a bit. It's cool how the arbiters get memories and make judgments starting there. So apparently, Decim is wrong... or is he? Well, Nona will make things interesting and challenging for new girl. |
I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling. |
Jan 17, 2015 10:25 AM
#321
edwardo said: Wrong way to look at the story: A lot of people as I can see are only thinking about the system of judging and the game themselves, but I don't think that the show is actually about that (it least I hope it isn't, we'll see how it goes). I mean, let's put aside the fact that the system of judging might be on the level of a two years old. What about the fact that some souls get actually "destroyed" (sent to the void) and some get reincarnated (reborn). In other words, the number of souls would with time drop and the whole system would implode on itself when there will be not enough souls to judge. (Unless there is a way to "create" souls, and if so, the whole thing get's over a normal humans possibility of understanding anything at all... if it were able to create a soul, I am guessing it is able to modify one (pure logic here), so the fact that some souls get "destroyed" does not make sense anyway).... OK, I am drifting away from the topic at hand.... What I am trying to say is that you shouldn't look at the show from a "gods" points of view, but from a humans. And regarding that, the biggest question at hand here is: is your life more worth then the life of someone else? Or simply said: Is it worth killing someone so you can survive yourself? Is that morally acceptable? I think that is the real question behind the whole Death Parade. If you find the answer to that, you can apply it to anything in life as well. Is it okay to eat the last piece of cake yourself? Are your desires/dreams/wishes (be it the desire to live or the desire to eat ice cream) more worth then those of others? If so, why? THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION. ... This is, of course, if the creators of the show did actually give a though to it and tryed creating something what is actually called "art", instead of just putting something popular together and hoping to earn some big cash for it... So that if still remains :P What I understood from Nona's explanation of the system (and/or according to the subs) is that they are judging based on the intentions and not the actions themselves. The arbitors are given a certain amount of memory images related to the death of the people on trial, however, that doesn't mean they know their feelings and thoughts and that's why they put them on a death/live scenario, in which the people judged most likely will show their true colors. So what arbitors do (and again, from what I understood) is not only judge based on the memories, but also analyse the expresions, movements and what those on trial say during the "game". Decim wasn't able to read between lines and reached a conclusion based on what Machiko said at the end, and hence his surprised expression since he apparently was about to condemn Takashi instead. As for what are their final destinies...well, reincarnation is pretty much clear, but I wonder what "Void" actually is and if it actually is eternal. The symbol like thing they showed had 4 sides altenating between black and white and 2 spirals interwined at the center. I feel, despite Nona's explanation, that both souls would actually be in constant movement, never ending to exist and coming to trial constantly up til the end of times or until both reach a state of great wisdom and conclude their journeys. |
Jan 17, 2015 10:25 AM
#322
The ep was somewhat lacking in intensity, but I enjoyed it overall. Conclusion : you can get screwed over even after death. 5/5 |
JetNoirJan 17, 2015 11:39 AM
Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
Jan 17, 2015 10:27 AM
#323
Last week's episode was the main course. Episode 2 was the perfect dessert, and damn do I still want more. I really like that judgments on who to send to the void/be reincarnated isn't merely based on their memories/what they have done in their previous life. Their performance in the game is a huge factor. Reincarnation/sending into the void instead of Heaven/Hell also really provokes an exploration away from simple moralistic judgments. (of good and evil) For me, it judgments seem utilitarian, as to whose soul would possibly be more beneficial in existence, while the other is laid to rest. (rather than punished, which is what Hell implies.) If you've watch Death Billiards, this made me think that the Young Man could have been the one to go to the void, since Decim mentions 'letting him rest'. He complains about society so perhaps it's better (for his soul) that he was not reincarnated. This anime has posed so many interesting ideas, perspectives, and characters and got me asking so many questions. I love it and can't wait for the next episode. Hopefully the writers don't disappoint when I'm hoping that they have everything planned out neatly. |
Jan 17, 2015 10:40 AM
#324
I really love how this second episode made for so much talk on morality in the forums. However, I think several points should be pointed out. First, the one who mentioned about the cheating being only a one-time thing was the girl who doesn't have access to the memories, the assistant. The fact that the Arbiter did not deny or agree with her gives absolutely no information away as to whether or not that suggestion of "only one time" was true or not. This is also true about whether the gossiped "Matchy" was or was not actually Machiko as well. Onna put in a fair bit of doubt into Decim's judgement by saying that it was her woman's intuition that the wife was lying in the end to save her husband. Whilst that may have been true about the wife wanting to save her husband's soul after both of them have passed, it really has no correlation about whether or not this wife had been a serial-cheating skank before she had died. In fact, the fact that she had even cheated once should be put under scrutiny considering if she had really truly been in love with her husband (I'll come back to this point later). Second, the speculation that the woman was cheating because she was unhappy was pure speculation on the part of one of our forumers here. There were no flashbacks indicating that the husband neglected her, only that he was internally suspicious of her when she was on the phone texting someone else when they were in the same bed. Nor were there any flashbacks that showed that he had mistreated her in any way. Third, does anyone else but me find it strange about the timeline of things? First, Machiko agrees to marry the love of her life, then at the wedding reception the husband first gets word about a cheating skank married to a Doctor but with another man on the side. After this, the husband then gets suspicious and internally frustrated at his wife (note that they never mentioned that he neglected or mistreated his wife at this point in time). Que the flashback of his wife in bed with another man, looking regretful, but at the same time with a wedding band on her finger, which all culminates to his request to answer her phone on their way to the Honeymoon which resulted in them both plunging to their deaths in the accident. The timeline of those events don't make sense to me at all. If she was so in love with her husband when he asked for her hand in marriage and was happy with him all the way up to the wedding, why would she cheat on him between the wedding and the honeymoon? I doubt the period in between would be long enough for some huge argument to crop up, and if the argument was serious enough to trigger her to cheat on him, then I highly doubt they would even go on the honeymoon in the first place until they solved said problem first (which did not happen). The only conclusion I can garner from this is that Onna's deduction was correct only on the part that the wife wanted to save her husband's soul in the end (be it because of guilt, or because she realized in her memories that she truly loved him, or was manipulated into it by the arbiters [I'll come back to this later on..]), whether her speculation on what had happened when both of them had been alive was correct was an entirely different matter (You all seem to have forgotten that Nona was actually quite disappointed with her when she got out of the lift). I think what you all have to remember is that the situation which the couple had been put into was meant to test exactly how redeemable their souls were. The entire situation was set up so that both the husband and wife could be potentially at each others throats, or not, depending on how they would react to the situation. Onna was correct in that Machiko lied in the end to get a reaction from her husband, but since neither husband nor wife knew the requirements for void/reincarnation, Machiko's lie could be seen as either: 1.) as Onna said, to make the husband resent her and lessen his feelings of guilt in killing (presumably) their child, or 2.) to get a reaction out of the husband, exactly like the one which resulted (he tried to attack her), and to paint herself in the better light so as to avoid the heavier judgment. Someone who may be a romantic would think (1), most likely, whilst a realist may expect (2). However, in this situation, a third option exists: 3.) The facts of the matter was that neither husband nor wife had any ideas that the arbiter did in fact have a copy of their memories beforehand (how could they, when they themselves didn't remember anything), and both the husband and the wife's memories were "selectively" given back to them during the course of their little "game". These memories were recovered only because the arbiters allowed them to recover them (Nona mentioned this to Onna when they were observing), however we don't know the true extent of the memories recovered now do we? Machiko recovered her memories of her love for her husband, her affair as well as her guilt of cheating on him. If Machiko had truly believed everything that Decim had said, then she would also believe that admitting to her guilt of cheating and then lying about the unborn child not being her husbands would actually save her husband's soul (if she lied about anything, she never expected the arbiters to know beforehand + she didn't know the judgment criteria). Personally, I believe that the entire situation with the memories were all rigged in order to see just how dark the pits of human souls can be. Regardless of what happened during their lives, I also believe that Machiko's true nature was that she would rather protect the true love of her life (as she saw it in her recovered memories) selflessly instead of saving herself, whereas the husband was only able to build up his mistrust of her without any evidence whatsoever, even up till the moment they died (disregarding the fact that his suspicious were correct), and could not rise above it and refused to forgive/protect her even in death showed that his soul was darker than hers. Decim did make a mistake in the end by taking things at face value, but considering that he held all of the husband AND the wife's memories, what's to say that what the wife was saying in the end wasn't actually true, and Decim made a judgment based on memories+false reactions instead of truly observing the true nature of the two people in the end? After all that's said, though, even though Decim messed up his judgment on the darkness of the couples soul and on who should have been saved, I still believe that it is entirely possible that the wife was a serial-cheating skank before they died. There is a decidedly lack of evidence that really proves one truth or the other, and unless the director or the author of the story comes out to explain it, I feel like this will never truly be solved and that us fans can only choose to believe the truth that we want to believe. Okay. Apologies for the long rant, all these thought seemed very short when they were stuck in my head... |
L-RyoshiJan 17, 2015 12:27 PM
HESTIA |
Jan 17, 2015 11:04 AM
#325
Jan 17, 2015 11:05 AM
#326
It's good to have an explanation ep once in a while. Seems like the choice was rather controverial, but I like how this show is keeping the forum in an uproar and making it more alive. |
Jan 17, 2015 11:29 AM
#327
I love how while it answered questions and pointed out things I expected to be true there are even more things to answer. How did they became arbiters? Were they human before? What happens to humans who do not meet the requirements to be judged? It also makes you wonder how subjective or absurd is to try to pigeonhole in black/white (void/reincarnation) the entire moral behavior of a person throughout his/her lifetime. |
Jan 17, 2015 11:52 AM
#328
Hell ya! I called that shit from a mile away! *pats self on back* I thought I posted it on MAL forums, but apparently it didn't post but I posted my prediction form last episode on the CR forums: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-873033/death-parade-tv-series-anticipation-and-discussion?pg=7#48962375 I'm glad I ended up being right about the wife!!! Anyways, the black haired girl has a lot of potential and is good at reading people. Also the white haired girl is interesting as well. I also liked how it showed Decim feeling bad that he messed up, so it seems like even the judges can make mistakes. Though, the wife got what she wanted, she saved her husband. She really did love him. |
LoomyTheBrewJan 17, 2015 11:56 AM
Jan 17, 2015 12:06 PM
#329
Seems like i'm one of the few who don't share the enthusiasm. Most of the episode was hardly necessary, everything up until the cheating part wasn't actually hard to figure out, though i'm glad we found out she really did cheat. Seems like both were at fault for their deaths. Wonder what's the white-haired girl's story... 3/5 |
Jan 17, 2015 12:11 PM
#330
It may be detrimental, if the show goes on a path which subscribes to intentional hand-walking. (as in the second episode) But I doubt that this is likely, for the second episode gives us much important information about the rules and laws of Quindecim, and more importantly sets up additional questions for pondering. |
Jan 17, 2015 12:45 PM
#331
EarlCiel said: Tell me about it. I'm almost convinced that at least half of them never even experienced a situation like this first hand beforeTokoya said: deadoptimist said: Edit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. Everyone makes mistakes. Cheating is a mistake. In the end, we learned that she still loved him enough to sacrifice herself. So...like, honestly, people who are saying it's okay to destroy a soul for cheating is denying her love and saying it''s okay to condemn people for all of eternity...just for making a mistake. Some people have their heads screwed on the wrong way. |
Jan 17, 2015 1:11 PM
#332
This is a pretty fascinating show. It seems to me that these games are not just meant as a means of judging the two playing, but also to shed some light on those doing the judging. I think this show is more going to be about the arbiters and their story -- how they got here, why they're there, why is it not a big deal if they fuck up and destroy an innocent soul, etc. I'm getting a very Haibane Renmei-esque purgatory story vibe from this whole set up, and it's obvious that there's more to this world than meets the eye. We'll just have to see what's being hidden. Of course, I could be wildly off base with this; the show might really just be about a shitty arbiter needing a more empathetic assistant so he doesn't fuck his judgments up anymore. Regardless, it's still a masterful premise, as it allows -- hell, it fucking encourages -- for the audience to actively engage with what's happening on screen. We judge while they judge, and in turn judge them depending on how they judge. In the end, their verdict is a reflection of their natures and selves -- the same could be said for us. Just looking at the myriad differing responses to these episodes, each says a lot about the person saying them. Maybe that's what this is really all about: revealing things about ourselves we never knew, and challenging our own worldviews with those differing. In a way, we, the audience are the ones on trial here. Seriously, fascinating stuff. |
Jan 17, 2015 1:24 PM
#333
Nona is my new waifu |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Jan 17, 2015 1:37 PM
#334
The first two-thirds of the episode felt uneccesary. In my opinion there was no point explaining everything as pretty much everything that was said could have been inferred from the first episode. The only new info we got was that the arbiters receive the memories of the people who died. |
Jan 17, 2015 2:15 PM
#335
Nice episode. I am glad they spent time to explain the details. Only thing that I wonder now is why people who die at the same time? Why doe's only one get to get reincarnated? or can both be? Are those who die alone judged in a different department? xD As for the episode, could they not tell if she was having a full on affair from the memories? or was the vague jumble of memories they receive only enough to show she spent time with another man, even if only briefly? Well the anime is very interesting. the darts really got to me, I fear what other sick games are to come... |
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Jan 17, 2015 2:22 PM
#336
hmm didnt see anything like this in Death Billards. Interesting how Decim seems to be subordinate to Nona. |
Jan 17, 2015 2:55 PM
#337
Landos said: Decim getting flustered by the new chick is inexcusable. She comes waltzing into the bar and lets him know he fucked up. It shouldn't matter that he doesn't understand human emotion, he has done this so many times he should have picked up a pattern or something. It really did look like she was the arbiter and he was the new guy. My guess is that the new girl was human/alive before being summoned there, and so she's able to sense stuff that Decim cannot... |
Jan 17, 2015 2:56 PM
#338
So it was precisely the way I thought last time, it was only act she did and his insecurity was to blame for what happened. It was good to have this backstage view but I don't think it was really needed to explain the obvious. Did we really needed that spoon-feeding? Well, at least we got three new characters... |
Jan 17, 2015 3:44 PM
#339
This episode showed what happened behind the scene in the first, it was good to clarify important points of history, as well as raise hypotheses about the outcome taken I liked seeing that judges are not absolute and can commit failures, demonstrates how to judge people is not easy The ED matches the somber mood of the anime, but the OP is excellent, I already dare say that may be the best OP of the season, I'm already looking forward to the next episode .. |
Jan 17, 2015 3:51 PM
#340
Quite interesting how the Void is not actually Hell per se but tied to the atheist view of death. As such, it's not actually that bad since most atheist accept the Void already as death itself. As for reincarnation, it seems eerily familiar to the concept in Buddhism. World Soul Balance issues aside with this system, I hope this series does a good job in the future at presenting good cases. |
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Jan 17, 2015 4:58 PM
#341
not a very informative episode. 3/5 |
Jan 17, 2015 5:11 PM
#342
Hmm so Decim misjudged the situation and caused the girl to went to void! They should have corrected his mistake not only pointing it |
Jan 17, 2015 5:34 PM
#343
In all honesty, half of what they've said has been already interpreted from the audience. There was way too much spoonfeeding. However, it's nice to point out how they've set up the characters to even have potential character development. Decim making mistakes, realizing mistakes. I see potential strong characterization. Impressed. 4/5 |
Jan 17, 2015 6:01 PM
#344
The amount of reused scenes this episode is ridiculous, surely peoples memories aren't that sh*t as to warrant all of those recaps. Hopefully that will be the last of it. I'm not impressed, but will give it another episode. Pretty average series so far. |
Jan 17, 2015 6:03 PM
#345
That was really great. The truth is exactly like everyone thought it would be. I could listen to that OP for hours on end. It's so good. |
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Jan 17, 2015 6:04 PM
#346
Jan 17, 2015 6:19 PM
#347
So, its all one big misunderstanding. The OP is still misleading xD too cheerful. |
Jan 17, 2015 6:32 PM
#348
sick i guess thereis some explanation but wonder where they're gona take this stuff |
Jan 17, 2015 6:35 PM
#349
Decim was wrong, but I think that the trial itself was right because she really cheated on him. The death of the two was his fault, and am not sure she had cheated him cuz she knew he suspected her. If she knew he suspected, why she did not tell the truth and they explained everything? She always acted as if he hiding something. So I think the trial continues right. |
Jan 17, 2015 7:02 PM
#350
capnios said: I'm a little confused with the timeline and I'm not sure if it's just because Japanese people do things differently or if it's because I'm too slow to catch on. Isn't it usually the case that immediately after getting married, couples go on their honeymoon?
I wonder how Machiko found the time between the wedding ceremony and the trip to the honeymoon to find a man to sleep with. And what drove her to that point in such a short amount of time – and after a wedding, no less? Like I mentioned earlier, we don't see Takashi acting out on his jealousy until the accident, so what happened? Now that you said I also have this doubt. And for me cheating is unforgivable and unjustifiable, no matter what . Watching the episode 2, i think the history about the couples doesn't matter, is just a way to show us how the system works. |
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