| The all ages version of Nekopara is out on Steam. The story is about two catgirls, Vanilla and and Chocolate (or some stupid shit like that), doing cat things. I'm actually familiar with the artist, Sayori. She's a pixiv artist and she does make some gnarly porn [NSFW] of the two. Nekopara has a 18+ version but that's not embracing the Steam storefront, which is disappointing. Do you think Steam should release 18+ versions of VNs? Because I sure want my Vanilla and Chocolate with nuts. Edit: Wow, only one post referred to my joke. I don't even like 18+ VNs damnit |
PeenusWeenusCaimJan 5, 2015 8:30 PM
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| Ew nigga who eats vanilla with nuts? On topic, yes. If there is no sex in my vn, then what is the point? |
| No, because Valve and Gabe Newell disapprove to explicit sexual content. But not to explicit violence like Hatred. I'm fine with All Ages as long as Steam gets more VNs, but I'd still get the 18 version somewhere else. |
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edwd2 said: They don't, Valve doesn't allow porn games on Steam. im not familiar with pc gaming or steam. but if this steam has 18x games prior to this, i don't see why not release both versions. I'd be for it or even a separate Steam for 18+ games even though I hardly use it. I would rather see the chaos caused from Steam shutting down! |
GogettersDec 29, 2014 9:44 PM
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| I'd buy it on steam if I wanted the trading cards for backgrounds and emotions though. Either way I bet if you bought the game on Steam right now and sold the cards, you'd get half of the money fast. |
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| There's no point in playing porn games without porn. I don't see why you would bother purchasing only 36/72 of the product, so it would be nice if they did but it probably won't happen. |
| Well, they can release whatever they want, but I'll be getting the games elsewhere and don't feel the need to "show support" through steam purchases. |
| The 'porn' in visual novels is usually terrible, boring vanilla crap that detracts from the story, so I don't see why people care so much about getting the 18+ version in the first place. Play a nukige if you want to fap. |
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Veronin said: Sorry, bad joke. The 'porn' in visual novels is usually terrible, boring vanilla crap that detracts from the story, so I don't see why people care so much about getting the 18+ version in the first place. Some of the replacements for h-scenes that they put in the all-ages version is worse than the h-scenes themselves (heart had wings no-hugging, fate's symbolic transfusion crap,) so as minor as it is, I wouldn't be compelled to purchase something perceivably lightened in comparison to the original version (barring if the normal version was originally all-ages like LB!.) At the very least, Amane's route in Grisaia wouldn't be nearly as, ah, interesting without the random sex. Still. You have to wonder IF they release 18+ VNs on steam, if they'd uncensor shit. |
FrostbyteDOT said: Some officially translated VNs are uncensored.Still. You have to wonder IF they release 18+ VNs on steam, if they'd uncensor shit. |
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| It really just depends on if they would get money from it I suppose, like most things, but do the general gaming community (that arnt into anime) know anything about V/Ns in the first place and what would bring them over to wanting to play/read one? |
| Sex are milestones in my VNs. What's the point if there aren't any? FrostbyteDOT said: Still. You have to wonder IF they release 18+ VNs on steam, if they'd uncensor shit. That'd be pretty great, but censoring doesn't really bother me all that much. |
| Isn't the 18+ parts like half the reason most people touch on visual novels anyway? I'd want an 18+ release but from a different source. Preferably from a source that has already distributed the normal 18+ versions of VN's already. |
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| I dream that one day people will learn that there are websites focused on distributing porn, so they don't need to take porn to every single thing they see/use regularly. People will soon be asking MAL to publish hentai manga. |
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| Steam is not a good place to sell 18+ VNs (or VNs in general). It's aimed primarily at gamers, not readers after all. But, it works fine as a platform for distributing non-ero, "demo" versions of VNs to wider audience (like people below 18 or those who think that sex is EVIL). People who are already familiar with VNs will get full versions elsewhere, there's no point in putting those on Steam. Veronin said: The only cases of really bad H-scenes I encountered are Key's VNs and Fate/Stay Night (but in case of the latter, as Frostbyte mentioned, the non-ero alternatives are far more retarded). I would mention Tears to Tiara as well, but it didn't have enough story to get detracted from to begin with. Other than that, while those scenes are indeed boring, vanilla crap most of the time, they do add to the relationship development quite a lot. Romance without sex feels kinda incomplete to me.The 'porn' in visual novels is usually terrible, boring vanilla crap that detracts from the story, so I don't see why people care so much about getting the 18+ version in the first place. Play a nukige if you want to fap. |
Pabloc said: thisSteam is not a good place to sell 18+ VNs (or VNs in general). It's aimed primarily at gamers, not readers after all. But, it works fine as a platform for distributing non-ero, "demo" versions of VNs to wider audience (like people below 18 or those who think that sex is EVIL). People who are already familiar with VNs will get full versions elsewhere, there's no point in putting those on Steam. Veronin said: The only cases of really bad H-scenes I encountered are Key's VNs and Fate/Stay Night (but as Frostbyte mentioned, the non-ero alternatives are far more retarded). I would mention Tears to Tiara as well, but it didn't have enough story to get detracted from to begin with. Other than that, while those scenes are indeed boring, vanilla crap most of the time, they do add to the relationship development quite a lot. Romance without sex feels kinda incomplete to me.The 'porn' in visual novels is usually terrible, boring vanilla crap that detracts from the story, so I don't see why people care so much about getting the 18+ version in the first place. Play a nukige if you want to fap. also as a matter of mere principle, I'm against any form of censoring in media in general, and this is not much different |
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| Reminder that someone can easily make an 18+ patch for the game. |
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| I don't see why they shouldn't, that would make acess to VNs easier for me. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Pabloc said: The only cases of really bad H-scenes I encountered are Key's VNs and Fate/Stay Night (but in case of the latter, as Frostbyte mentioned, the non-ero alternatives are far more retarded). I would mention Tears to Tiara as well, but it didn't have enough story to get detracted from to begin with. Other than that, while those scenes are indeed boring, vanilla crap most of the time, they do add to the relationship development quite a lot. Romance without sex feels kinda incomplete to me. It's very rare that I come across a sex scene in a story-driven VN that feels natural or mature. I think the Sumika scenes from the MuvLuv trilogy, anything in White Album 2, and the last scene with Sora in Baldr Sky are the only romantic ones where I've felt it added to the relationship or the story in some way. I have troubles believing some PUREEE girl who's never held hands with anyone before would have sex with a (often bland and boring) guy she's only known for a week. And then the dialogue in the sex scenes themselves are often embarrassingly cliche ("C-Can I move now?" "A-Ah, we're finally connected!" "Let's cum at the same time!") which makes it impossible for me to care about what's going on. That's not what people say when they actually have sex. I can understand why it would be bothersome if the h-scenes being removed altered the story in some way, but if you're looking forward to the h-scenes themselves, I think it would probably be in your best interest to find better porn elsewhere. |
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| JastUSA baby. Yea honestly I hate the lame VN on steam. |
Veronin said: You need to consider who is writing the H-scenes.Pabloc said: The only cases of really bad H-scenes I encountered are Key's VNs and Fate/Stay Night (but in case of the latter, as Frostbyte mentioned, the non-ero alternatives are far more retarded). I would mention Tears to Tiara as well, but it didn't have enough story to get detracted from to begin with. Other than that, while those scenes are indeed boring, vanilla crap most of the time, they do add to the relationship development quite a lot. Romance without sex feels kinda incomplete to me. It's very rare that I come across a sex scene in a story-driven VN that feels natural or mature. I think the Sumika scenes from the MuvLuv trilogy, anything in White Album 2, and the last scene with Sora in Baldr Sky are the only romantic ones where I've felt it added to the relationship or the story in some way. I have troubles believing some PUREEE girl who's never held hands with anyone before would have sex with a (often bland and boring) guy she's only known for a week. And then the dialogue in the sex scenes themselves are often embarrassingly cliche ("C-Can I move now?" "A-Ah, we're finally connected!" "Let's cum at the same time!") which makes it impossible for me to care about what's going on. That's not what people say when they actually have sex. I can understand why it would be bothersome if the h-scenes being removed altered the story in some way, but if you're looking forward to the h-scenes themselves, I think it would probably be in your best interest to find better porn elsewhere. I doubt they've actually experienced sex themselves, so they wouldn't know what to say in that situation. |
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Veronin said: The 'porn' in visual novels is usually terrible, boring vanilla crap that detracts from the story, so I don't see why people care so much about getting the 18+ version in the first place. Play a nukige if you want to fap. I 100% agree with this. Most sex scenes in visual novels are completely unnecessary and removing them detracts absolutely nothing from the story. Plus a lot of them are really awkward and make some girls really out of character (I'm looking at you Comyu). |
| As long as its not Nukige, i don't see what the big deal is. Yes, i know the west has a stigma when it comes to sexual content but it wouldn't be the first thing on steam to show explicit sexual content. Its just that if its comming from a AAA title, it has more credibility which is bullshit. I think things that have light sexual content, maybe 1-2 h-scenes per route in a 30-50 hour VN is fine. Something that has 20% of the content as sexual content, not so much. I'd like to think that there is a difference between eroge, and outright porn, as there is a difference between sex being depicted in manga, and a hentai doujin. |
| @Veronin I never said that H-scenes in your average moege/charage are well written or interesting. Quite the contrary. Still, without them the relationships between teen characters feel kinda weird and incomplete to me. I don't care about the H-scenes themselves, but pretending that teens don't bang each other is just dumb and usually makes me see the whole romance as rather silly and unrealistic. Of course, it's better when the sex-scenes are well written and interesting, but I prefer even those generic, dull sex-scenes in missionary position over the lack of H. So yeah, removing sex-scenes form titles that rely on romance (like your average charage) completely breaks those for me most of the time. Of course, that's just a generalization. There are exceptions - some especially bad H-scenes do more harm than good, some titles can present reasonable romance without sex, etc. Also, sex can be presented off-screen - that works for the story just fine. I prefer to see some eye-candy though, if the story is aimed at mature audience anyway, I see absolutely no point in avoiding explicit sex. But well, I tend to avoid generic charages/moeges to begin with - the poor writing in those often isn't limited just to H-scenes and they are generally boring. I prefer titles that offer some actual plot, high sexual content or both. |
| ^ Except that the Witcher doesn't feature actually explicit p0rn. In the end, it only shows some boobs, everything else stays off-screen. It may be bold by Western vodeogame standards, but when it comes to presentation of sex, there's still a rather wide gap between it and an average 18+ VN. |
| release both versions! why cut out content!? |
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| IMO Usually sex in VNs feels out of place and is more than not, repetitive. However I've heard that in DRAMAtical Murder, the sex is actually important to the story/character development, and the reason I will not play it. (I don't feel like sitting through yaoi scenes just to fully understand the story) Also another example, In If My heart Had Wings, Ageha's route is unplayable in the censored version. It's a story of friends with benefits becoming lovers, taking out every H scene/H reference and completely destroying it. While having shit tier translations on top of it. Quote from a friend, "The end result is that agehas route seems likes a bad elementary/middle school romance where kissing is as big a deal as sex is in high school." In most cases sex is pointless aside from fan service though. |
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Cakedog said: Pabloc said: Steam is not a good place to sell 18+ VNs (or VNs in general). It's aimed primarily at gamers, not readers after all. But, it works fine as a platform for distributing non-ero, "demo" versions of VNs to wider audience (like people below 18 or those who think that sex is EVIL). People who are already familiar with VNs will get full versions elsewhere, there's no point in putting those on Steam. The only cases of really bad H-scenes I encountered are Key's VNs and Fate/Stay Night (but in case of the latter, as Frostbyte mentioned, the non-ero alternatives are far more retarded). I would mention Tears to Tiara as well, but it didn't have enough story to get detracted from to begin with. Other than that, while those scenes are indeed boring, vanilla crap most of the time, they do add to the relationship development quite a lot. Romance without sex feels kinda incomplete to me. Point is, most of it is just bad and poorly done in general. Do people really need 5+ minutes of "AAH! AHHn!! Something's coming out!" in their VNs? Makes me fking cringe just typing it out. Though I do agree they shouldn't be censoring them, people aren't really missing out on anything important anyway. Steam's following the standard business model and they can do it if they want. Of course, I'm looking at this from the perspective of someone who has played dozens of VNs and one who has become mentally numbed from seeing the same sex scenario time and time again. Someone fairly new to them may think otherwise. grisaia sex scenes are necessary |
SolviteWoTaberu said: Actually none of the routes were necessary.Cakedog said: Point is, most of it is just bad and poorly done in general. Do people really need 5+ minutes of "AAH! AHHn!! Something's coming out!" in their VNs? Makes me fking cringe just typing it out. Though I do agree they shouldn't be censoring them, people aren't really missing out on anything important anyway. Steam's following the standard business model and they can do it if they want. Of course, I'm looking at this from the perspective of someone who has played dozens of VNs and one who has become mentally numbed from seeing the same sex scenario time and time again. Someone fairly new to them may think otherwise. grisaia sex scenes are necessary |
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| I don't care about visual novels, but yes, I want Valve to allow pornographic sex games on Steam. I want sex games to be more easily acquirable so that the quality goes up. They're total crap. |
| Sure, why not? As long as they have an age gate, or maybe a setting that enables or disables the visibility of adult content, then I see no reason why they should not be allowed. |
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| I think they should allow fully "pornographic" or sexual stuff. Though I also think they should all provide both an adult and all ages version. Some people don't want to see the pornographic content. I don't like the material that a lot of eroge have. But the material is still there, in the first place, even if it's an all ages version. You just don't get to see it. I think that I would rather see a ban of rape hentai on Steam that a ban of all sexual content. |
FairyTechnology said: I think that I would rather see a ban of rape hentai on Steam that a ban of all sexual content. If you're going to get into the specifics of what kind of hentai is allowed, then you may as well just ban all of it. All or nothing is the best policy, imo. |
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Narmy said: If you're going to get into the specifics of what kind of hentai is allowed, then you may as well just ban all of it. All or nothing is the best policy, imo. I can see how someone might feel that way. People do have different opinions.. Personally, I just can't stand rape. So I'm biased in that regard. In any case, if Steam is willing to allow extremely violent and disturbing games on it, they should allow games with sex, too. |
| Speaking of which, I just realized the Witcher has nudity and sex. what |
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FGAU1912 said: VitaminCaim said: Speaking of which, I just realized the Witcher has nudity and sex. what steam wont ask to censor that cause its a westren mde game Pretty much. Western games get a pass when it comes to nudity, while Japanese games are heavily scrutinized and often censored, even if they have no nudity. |
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| There's no way steam would release 18+ visual novels. It would tarnish their reputation rather than help it really. |
SolviteWoTaberu said: Cakedog said: Point is, most of it is just bad and poorly done in general. Do people really need 5+ minutes of "AAH! AHHn!! Something's coming out!" in their VNs? Makes me fking cringe just typing it out. Though I do agree they shouldn't be censoring them, people aren't really missing out on anything important anyway. Steam's following the standard business model and they can do it if they want. Of course, I'm looking at this from the perspective of someone who has played dozens of VNs and one who has become mentally numbed from seeing the same sex scenario time and time again. Someone fairly new to them may think otherwise. grisaia sex scenes are necessary I finally agree with you. The scenes are necessary, fuck what these guys are talking about they don't have to buy it. |
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FGAU1912 said: WrongNarmy said: Pretty much. Western games get a pass when it comes to nudity, while Japanese games are heavily scrutinized and often censored, even if they have no nudity. o call that racism my self |
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| No. It's to appeal to a wider audience. Not because of some bias against Japan. |
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