| They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. |
| do you consider cars, demons, superpower or samurai as genres? |
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romagia said: do you consider cars, demons, superpower or samurai as genres? Not the same thing at all, but yes. |
KokkoSep 28, 2014 1:19 PM
| As demographica they are inconsistent, just compare FT/Big 3on one hand to other more mature anime also listed as "shonen" On the other hand so much childish/girly crap is listed as seinen. Also different cultures mean different understanding/tolerance/shit-givance(lol) about what's mature and what's not. And anime is watched by people across the world. So no, it's not a demographic just because idiots decided to copy-paste the last person they always agree with who said it. |
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kokkoderrisch said: They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. Who cares, as long as long as they help people find anime they're looking for? Also demographics are not exclusive to manga. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| They are the target audience. |
| Ever heard of manga adaptations? There's a reason they're the only ones that have those tags. |
| So I can feel mature when I choose to watch a seinen. |
kokkoderrisch said: i dont.romagia said: Not the same thing at all, but yes. |
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fst said: Ever heard of manga adaptations? There's a reason they're the only ones that have those tags. Many Gundam series that don't have any manga adaptations have the shounen tag. What's even weirder is that War in The Pocket's anime has a shounen tag while the manga doesn't. |
romagia said: i don't From Oxford's dictionary: A style or category of art, music, or literature: "the spy thriller is a very masculine genre" |
FloatsBoats said: So I can feel mature when I choose to watch a seinen. Like K-on lol |
| Because MAL is very inconsistent. Original anime get demographic tags. Only battle shounens get the shounen tag, etc. |
IntroverTurtleSep 28, 2014 1:44 PM
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kokkoderrisch said: fst said: Ever heard of manga adaptations? There's a reason they're the only ones that have those tags. Many Gundam series that don't have any manga adaptations have the shounen tag. What's even weirder is that War in The Pocket's anime has a shounen tag while the manga doesn't. Well then somebody done goof'd. Hardly surprising considering it's MAL. |
Mikasa said: As demographica they are inconsistent, just compare FT/Big 3on one hand to other more mature anime also listed as "shonen" On the other hand so much childish/girly crap is listed as seinen. So all seinen have to be grimdark and edgy, while all shounen have to be about nakama power? Seinen targets males 17-49, and there's a vast amount of different tastes in that demographic. Some want action, some want cute girls. Red_Tuesday said: Seinen is supposed to mean 'mature', and "Upotte!!" falls into that category according to CR. Saw the first episode and never had my eyes rolled further back into my head. Either these genres are completely meaningless, or the people tagging them need to eat more walnuts. Seinen isn't supposed to mean mature, and it isn't a genre. It's a demographic. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
ZelotSep 29, 2014 6:47 AM
keragamming said: FloatsBoats said: So I can feel mature when I choose to watch a seinen. Like watching K-on! lol Yes I tell all my friends I watch K-on regularly and they're jelly of my mental age. |
Red_Tuesday said: "Upotte!" is tagged as seinen. Seinen is supposed to mean 'mature', unless I'm mistaken. Shows how utterly meaningless it is, stumbled upon Upotte on crunchyroll and had my eyes rolled back into my skull almost 180 degrees. Why are you repeating this as some kind of mantra? Seinen is just a demographic, it has nothing to do with maturity at all. Seinen means "young man". |
Kruszer said: shoujo, seinen, shounen, and josei are exclusive to manga. Anime are much more broad and are more based on days and time.kokkoderrisch said: They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. Who cares, as long as long as they help people find anime they're looking for? Also demographics are not exclusive to manga. |
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kokkoderrisch said: Mikasa said: As demographica they are inconsistent, just compare FT/Big 3on one hand to other more mature anime also listed as "shonen" On the other hand so much childish/girly crap is listed as seinen. So all seinen have to be grimdark and edgy, while all shounen have to be about nakama power? Seinen targets males 17-49, and there's a vast amount of different tastes in that demographic. Some want action, some want cute girls. So classifying them according to age is pretty dumb and pointless in the first place. |
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kokkoderrisch said: yes spy thriller is as much of a genre as gay pansexual transexual is a demographicromagia said: i don't From Oxford's dictionary: A style or category of art, music, or literature: "the spy thriller is a very masculine genre" from google dictionary a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter. the style of anime or manga from shounen, shoujo or seinen, josei is made to appeal to said demographic, so that's how they could be considered as genres mal should have an add genre button, just like for anime |
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kokkoderrisch said: They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. They should not be used for anime. The fact that some people put them as tag for anime is only the result of incomprehension of what those words really designate for the manga industry. And just reading this thread shows you very well how much that incomprehension is huge. Thinking that mature/dark works are seinen again and again... Lots of people also think that shounen manga designate the nekketsu genre only... |
ZefyrisSep 28, 2014 3:41 PM
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| I just always figured the tags were a label for the target audience is all. |
Xannieh said: I just always figured the tags were a label for the target audience is all. I thought the same. But then I don't usually pay attention to what genre something is in or what tags it might have. So it's not something that I've ever took the time to think about. |
TFO1013Sep 28, 2014 8:49 PM
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| Truthfully I was expecting intelligent retorts to the op's question, since I assumed that most people on MAL know that seinen and shonen are only demographics. You're right op, they're only demographic's. MAL is stupid for not changing that. |
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sullynathan said: Truthfully I was expecting intelligent retorts to the op's question, since I assumed that most people on MAL know that seinen and shonen are only demographics. You're right op, they're only demographic's. MAL is stupid for not changing that. So instead of using logic to justify it you just reiterate that they are demographics and call this intelligence? |
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Mikasa said: Is it really hard to accept that your favorite anime is originally targeted at young boys?sullynathan said: Truthfully I was expecting intelligent retorts to the op's question, since I assumed that most people on MAL know that seinen and shonen are only demographics. You're right op, they're only demographic's. MAL is stupid for not changing that. So instead of using logic to justify it you just reiterate that they are demographics and call this intelligence? |
wanderingplayboy said: Mikasa said: Is it really hard to accept that your favorite anime is originally targeted at young boys?So instead of using logic to justify it you just reiterate that they are demographics and call this intelligence? It's not a question of what I accept. So: Is it really hard to come up with a hint of a logical explanation was to why these inconsistent classifications are still used to sort according to age? So far the only reason is that they are japanese words that mean old/young etc. But they never bother to even organize it right because it's all mixed up. Simple-minded logic. |
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Mikasa said: Age and gender, though.It's not a question of what I accept. So: Is it really hard to come up with a hint of a logical explanation was to why these inconsistent classifications are still used to sort according to age? So far the only reason is that they are japanese words that mean old/young etc. But they never bother to even organize it right because it's all mixed up. Simple-minded logic. Because manga is serialized in magazines and each magazine has its target audience. So you are not satisfied with the way Japanese classify their manga? Doesn't change the fact that HxH is a shonen manga. |
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romagia said: kokkoderrisch said: yes spy thriller is as much of a genre as gay pansexual transexual is a demographicFrom Oxford's dictionary: A style or category of art, music, or literature: "the spy thriller is a very masculine genre" from google dictionary a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter. the style of anime or manga from shounen, shoujo or seinen, josei is made to appeal to said demographic, so that's how they could be considered as genres mal should have an add genre button, just like for anime I think I'll stick to Oxford's, it's got a bit more reputation than google. |
kokkoderrisch said: funnily enough, google still takes data from oxford, but the american english oneromagia said: yes spy thriller is as much of a genre as gay pansexual transexual is a demographic from google dictionary a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter. the style of anime or manga from shounen, shoujo or seinen, josei is made to appeal to said demographic, so that's how they could be considered as genres mal should have an add genre button, just like for anime I think I'll stick to Oxford's, it's got a bit more reputation than google. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/genre http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/genre |
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kokkoderrisch said: They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. Yeah you are right. But there are certain stereotypes regarding storylines and character setup that have been established and that are associated with some of these demographics. Sure they are not present in all titles that are classified within the same demographic - but if a title actually uses these stereotypical setups I see no problem labeling them for example as shounen or shoujo. |
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| I don't really like shoujo, the art style looks plain, and the romance in it is pretty generic, there are some gems in it though. |
| Just MAL being wrong and inaccurate. |
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| Just MAL being wrong and inaccurate. |
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Mikasa said: So far the only reason is that they are japanese words that mean old/young etc. But they never bother to even organize it right because it's all mixed up. Simple-minded logic. Mangas published in a shounen magazine are shounen, Mangas published in seinen magazine are seinen... How is that all mixed up? It's pretty straightforward. |
| Don't do it. You know his answer. |
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SetsukoHara said: Mikasa said: So far the only reason is that they are japanese words that mean old/young etc. But they never bother to even organize it right because it's all mixed up. Simple-minded logic. Mangas published in a shounen magazine are shounen, Mangas published in seinen magazine are seinen... How is that all mixed up? It's pretty straightforward. He's very insecure :/ |
| because some people are dumb and wont watch anime unless its tagged as seinen |
wanderingplayboy said: Mikasa said: Age and gender, though.It's not a question of what I accept. So: Is it really hard to come up with a hint of a logical explanation was to why these inconsistent classifications are still used to sort according to age? So far the only reason is that they are japanese words that mean old/young etc. But they never bother to even organize it right because it's all mixed up. Simple-minded logic. Because manga is serialized in magazines and each magazine has its target audience. So you are not satisfied with the way Japanese classify their manga? Doesn't change the fact that HxH is a shonen manga. Why do you have the obsessive need to bring HxH into everythinf? In any case, you say it depends on target age, yet content says otherwise, you've got really childisj stuff in Seinen, and really mature stuff as "shonen", this contradiction shows that the very thing that people use to categorize them into these labels is mixed up. If your anawer will be "people of the same age have different tastes" then it only solidifies my point of how pointless it is to sort them into what age they are. |
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| MAL should gonna have all visual novel and light novel adaption got shounen tag , except some specific ones |
Mikasa said: Why do you have the obsessive need to bring HxH into everythinf? Not really, only when I see your post. :"| In any case, you say it depends on target age, yet content says otherwise, you've got really childisj stuff in Seinen, and really mature stuff as "shonen", this contradiction shows that the very thing that people use to categorize them into these labels is mixed up. Childish stuff like what? K-on and the likes? That's because in japan, people categorized as seinen (young men, >18 yo) like it. Grown men enjoyed the cuteness of cute girls doing cute things. Meanwhile stuff you think is 'really mature' apparently (maybe) doesn't really appeal to those young men, or the mangaka himself wanting to make the story that boys can enjoy, that's why it got published in shonen magazine. Content does matter, but it's not for you to judge. |
IntroverTurtle said: Kruszer said: shoujo, seinen, shounen, and josei are exclusive to manga. Anime are much more broad and are more based on days and time.Who cares, as long as long as they help people find anime they're looking for? Also demographics are not exclusive to manga. You've lost me. If there's one thing that's a constant in any kind of media, it's who your audience is and those catagories don't really change even if the content that falls into those demographics does. |
KruszerSep 29, 2014 7:59 PM
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Kruszer said: Not really sure what you're getting at.You've lost me. If there's one thing that's a constant in any kind of media, it's who your audience is and those catagories don't really change even if the content that falls into those demographics does. My point is that while manga are put into magazines separated by content, they don't decide it's content. And anime in Japan are not separated by demographics like manga are, they're broader. You wouldn't say that's a josei anime, nobody uses it. If you want to find the demographic you go by air time and day. Sunday mornings are kids anime, primetime(like 5 - 8pm or 9pm or whatever) is for families, then there's late night (10 or 11pm to like 3 or something like that in the am) which can be considered otaku anime. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Kruszer said: You've lost me. If there's one thing that's a constant in any kind of media, it's who your audience is and those catagories don't really change even if the content that falls into those demographics does. Not really sure what you're getting at. My point is that while manga are put into magazines separated by content, they don't decide it's content. And anime in Japan are not separated by demographics like manga are, they're broader. You wouldn't say that's a josei anime, nobody uses it. If you want to find the demographic you go by air time and day. Sunday mornings are kids anime, primetime(like 5 - 8pm or 9pm or whatever) is for families, then there's late night (10 or 11pm to like 3 or something like that in the am) which can be considered otaku anime. I too was wondering what you were talking about when you said it was "more based on days and time". Makes a Hell of a lot more sense now. |
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moonnya said: MAL should gonna have all visual novel and light novel adaption got shounen tag , except some specific ones MAL doesn't have any Visual novel. And shounen/shoujo/seinen tag don't exist in the LN category. To boot, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. IntroverTurtle said: Kruszer said: Not really sure what you're getting at.You've lost me. If there's one thing that's a constant in any kind of media, it's who your audience is and those catagories don't really change even if the content that falls into those demographics does. My point is that while manga are put into magazines separated by content, they don't decide it's content. And anime in Japan are not separated by demographics like manga are, they're broader. You wouldn't say that's a josei anime, nobody uses it. If you want to find the demographic you go by air time and day. Sunday mornings are kids anime, primetime(like 5 - 8pm or 9pm or whatever) is for families, then there's late night (10 or 11pm to like 3 or something like that in the am) which can be considered otaku anime. Yes. The airing time is the only thing close of demographic targeting in anime case. And it's age only, obviously. |
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kokkoderrisch said: They aren't genres, they're just names for manga demographics. they have nothing to do with anime. As many anime I have seen I have no idea what the hell those terms mean nor do I care. |
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