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Jan 13, 2014 3:31 AM
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A lot of people criticized the anime , said it's bad and how it never followed the VN. But I actually felt it's good, I never really read the novel but it's about 88 Hours according to HLTB. What do you guys think?


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Jan 13, 2014 3:36 AM
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Most people who played the VN found it terrible.

As for me, who played the VN, yes it's terrible adaptation-wise but at least I found it decent when I was watching the anime adaptation without any knowledge about the VN.

If you're really that curious, play the VN.


Jan 13, 2014 3:40 AM
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It's mostly the VN people. I found it to be ok, even as a standalone the anime has quite a few issues.
Jan 13, 2014 3:43 AM
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JonTrozstein said:
A lot of people criticized the anime , said it's bad and how it never followed the VN. But I actually felt it's good, I never really read the novel but it's about 88 Hours according to HLTB. What do you guys think?


It's good with the Realta Nua ending. Thought Fate/Zero was better.


The VN is blurry on my mind I probably forgotten a sex scene in HF.

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Jan 13, 2014 3:43 AM
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For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.
Jan 13, 2014 3:47 AM
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Ckan said:
For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.


I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?


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JonTrozstein said:

I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?


Seriously it depends on you. F/SN anime is mostly Fate route but with the elements of UBW and Heaven's Feel.

So if you want to end up with Saber despite watching the anime already, go play Fate. If you want something different, play either UBW or Heaven's Feel(Which means, get a complete save data).


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JonTrozstein said:
Ckan said:
For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.


I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?


I say you play Heaven's Feel, it have more of a Fate/Zero feel, since you started the poll I assume you like F/Z too.

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Jan 13, 2014 4:28 AM
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I certainly think the anime is far worse than both Fate/Zero and the VN. I personally like it a lot though, so i would say it's definitely wort watching if you are into Fate/Stay Night.
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Well the Poll will easily be one-sided, I mean just the Art from Zero alone blows Stay/Night out of the water.

Either way I enjoyed the Stay/Night Anime though I've never played the VN, looking forward to the ufotable version also since I just enjoy that universe.
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Well the Poll will easily be one-sided, I mean just the Art from Zero alone blows Stay/Night out of the water.

Either way I enjoyed the Stay/Night Anime though I've never played the VN, looking forward to the ufotable version also since I just enjoy that universe.


It's really about the story. Guilty Crown have beautiful art and with a badass animation coup with a badass sound track but with cliche characters and jumbled up plot, it's still going to be shit.

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Jan 13, 2014 5:10 AM

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I've never played the VN, but I still found Fate Stay Night shit.
5 main aspects I base my ratings on:
1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it?
2. Is it better than Breaking Bad?
3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it?
4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL?
5. Is it actually good?

Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant...
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Tennouji_ said:
Most people who played the VN found it terrible.

As for me, who played the VN, yes it's terrible adaptation-wise but at least I found it decent when I was watching the anime adaptation without any knowledge about the VN.

If you're really that curious, play the VN.

This is pretty much what I think.

Watched the anime before the VN and loved it, read the VN and realized it was vastly better than the anime.

JackFisher said:
JonTrozstein said:
Ckan said:
For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.


I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?


I say you play Heaven's Feel, it have more of a Fate/Zero feel, since you started the poll I assume you like F/Z too.

Playing heavens feel without reading fate and UBW is a terrible idea. Dont do it


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Jan 13, 2014 6:01 AM
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Fate/Stay Night is a decent anime on its own. It doesn't hold a candle to Fate/Zero though....
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it's getting a 2014 remake...

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It's bad if you're expecting it to have godly visuals. Otherwise it's fairly enjoyable.
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Jan 13, 2014 7:46 AM

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The Fate/Stay Night anime is fine for those who haven't read the VN, however it is a terrible adaptation. Either way though, it's vastly inferior to Zero.
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http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=635739
The anime is shit on its own, it doesn't matter if it's because it's a bad adaptation. Play the VN or stay away from it.
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JackFisher said:
JonTrozstein said:
A lot of people criticized the anime , said it's bad and how it never followed the VN. But I actually felt it's good, I never really read the novel but it's about 88 Hours according to HLTB. What do you guys think?


It's good with the Realta Nua ending. Thought Fate/Zero was better.


The VN is blurry on my mind I probably forgotten a sex scene in HF.

The anime had the RN ending...ok...

And you didnt forget a scene you forgot an entire story.Aka never acrtually played it.

JackFisher said:
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Well the Poll will easily be one-sided, I mean just the Art from Zero alone blows Stay/Night out of the water.

Either way I enjoyed the Stay/Night Anime though I've never played the VN, looking forward to the ufotable version also since I just enjoy that universe.


It's really about the story. Guilty Crown have beautiful art and with a badass animation coup with a badass sound track but with cliche characters and jumbled up plot, it's still going to be shit.
As always you have no idea what you are talking about when talking about Fate/.
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Ckan said:
For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.


I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?

1.Disregard EVERTHING JackFisher says.
2.Play it from the beginning.That means Fate route, then UBW route and THEN Heaven's Feel.

As for the poll.
Anime wise:FZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FSN
Original source wise:FSN>FZ
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The problem with any Fate/Stay anime adaptation is that the Fate/Stay VN is more impossible to adapt to an anime than people want to admit. All three paths need to be played for you to appreciate the VN. The Fate route in the VN is purposely written so that you'll at first absolutely detest Shirou, the guy who thinks girls should be raped so that they'll learn to be humble. The fate route is supposed to show the disastrous consequences of his stupid mindset and the other 2 routes shows what happens when he grows as a character. So the only proper way to adapt Fate/Stay is with all three routes adapted separately, which would be a massive project that few studios will be willing to take up. The first Fate/Stay anime tried to adapt all three in the same time with focus on the worst route, which led to a complete mess. It's hard to see how UFOtable can do a proper adaptation in what is likely to be a 2 cours series, but we'll see.
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The Fate route in the VN is purposely written so that you'll at first absolutely detest Shirou, the guy who thinks girls should be raped so that they'll learn to be humble.

I think we've read different versions of FSN.
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The problem with any Fate/Stay anime adaptation is that the Fate/Stay VN is more impossible to adapt to an anime than people want to admit. All three paths need to be played for you to appreciate the VN. The Fate route in the VN is purposely written so that you'll at first absolutely detest Shirou, the guy who thinks girls should be raped so that they'll learn to be humble. The fate route is supposed to show the disastrous consequences of his stupid mindset and the other 2 routes shows what happens when he grows as a character. So the only proper way to adapt Fate/Stay is with all three routes adapted separately, which would be a massive project that few studios will be willing to take up. The first Fate/Stay anime tried to adapt all three in the same time with focus on the worst route, which led to a complete mess. It's hard to see how UFOtable can do a proper adaptation in what is likely to be a 2 cours series, but we'll see.

What the fuck are you talking about?
And no, in ALL routes there is something wrong with is mindset.What changes is how he feels about it.
Fate doesnt need UBW and HF in order to be good.
UBW doesnt need HF in order to be good.
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Fate/Zero definitely outclassed Fate Stay Night, the animation is better and the story is more solid :)
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I enjoyed watching Fate/Zero more.
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Forgetfulness said:
ssjokg said:
scytheavatar said:
The problem with any Fate/Stay anime adaptation is that the Fate/Stay VN is more impossible to adapt to an anime than people want to admit. All three paths need to be played for you to appreciate the VN. The Fate route in the VN is purposely written so that you'll at first absolutely detest Shirou, the guy who thinks girls should be raped so that they'll learn to be humble. The fate route is supposed to show the disastrous consequences of his stupid mindset and the other 2 routes shows what happens when he grows as a character. So the only proper way to adapt Fate/Stay is with all three routes adapted separately, which would be a massive project that few studios will be willing to take up. The first Fate/Stay anime tried to adapt all three in the same time with focus on the worst route, which led to a complete mess. It's hard to see how UFOtable can do a proper adaptation in what is likely to be a 2 cours series, but we'll see.

What the fuck are you talking about?
And no, in ALL routes there is something wrong with is mindset.What changes is how he feels about it.
Fate doesnt need UBW and HF in order to be good.
UBW doesnt need HF in order to be good.
I'm going to take a wild stab and assume he's talking about this quote?
"Yeah. It's rare for her to run away. But... I see, even Mitsuzuri is weak against molesters. I guess that's good. It's impossible to teach her femininity unless something like this happens."
I don't even remember where that came from and I found it on TVTropes quotes.

But anyway, the way you worded it is taking it a bit too literally :|
And I actually think Shirou is a better character in Fate than in Heaven's Feel if you look at it logically



As for the rape thing
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^ How on earth did you find that conversation? ._.
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probably.......that's why it's getting a remake :3

Jan 13, 2014 10:53 AM

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trust me it is that bad.....when it comes to fate stay night i've watched some episodes
and there are'nt much things to like,but alot to hate even the characters i thought would be intresting (sakura,tohsaka e.t.c) as i've gather are hardly more than harem bait

if anyone does intend to watch fsn (if you have'nt already) then watch it first before watching fate zero..cuz if you watch fate zero first,then fate stay night will probably end up being unwatchable unless you're either a masuchist that likes to torture yourself or u just have a very long attention span
Jan 13, 2014 11:02 AM

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Fate/Stay Night as an Anime is below average. A lot of thing was lost from the original work, like the development and depth of Emiya Shirou, which in the anime he is just an Idiot Hero without any likeable traits. The explanation of the powers of Nasuverse is non-existence, meaning that Shirou is also prone to asspulls.

However, if you interested in the universe altogether, I recommend you just to go for the VN. Keep in mind that the VN is HUGE and can eat a lot of your free time.

As a VN, F/SN beats Fate/Zero plot wise, while F/Z beats F/SN anime in a curb-stomp.


Also, you can also just wait for the remake before doing anything. The Remake will be done by UFOtable, and unlike Deen, they know what they have to do.

It will be on this year.

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Fate Stay Night novel > Fate Zero anime > Fate Stay Night anime.

But that's just my opinion. I like the characters of Stay Night alot, although they look a little ridiculious. (archer is almost entirely red, lancer is entirely blue, it looks stupid).
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I've seen 6 or 7 episodes but I find it to be boring, real boredom, it's not THAT bad though, but it can gets a little annoying sometimes. I think I am going to wait for the ufotable release instead, and drop the previous one.
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Forgetfulness said:
DaBase333 said:
Fate Stay Night novel > Fate Zero anime > Fate Stay Night anime.

But that's just my opinion. I like the characters of Stay Night alot, although they look a little ridiculious. (archer is almost entirely red, lancer is entirely blue, it looks stupid).
I don't see why anyone would do that unless they just want to see how they adapted it into an anime. In terms of story, you would get everything you need from just the VN and Fate/Zero
I think he meant the quality and not the order.
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I only watched the original one, i didn't see all the other seasons, like Fate/Zero etc., it was nice back in the days but I hope the 2014 reboot is better story wise.
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Everything that needed to be said about this, was already stated(alongside some very bullshit posts)


F/SN vn > F/0 light novels > F/0 anime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSN DEEN adaptation.


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Both you and me know this is nonsense.

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I actually enjoyed FSN, mainly because of Saber. Only thing I didn't like about it was the Shinji/Rider parts. Found them both to be extremely boring and unimportant. Don't know if that's DEEN's fault or if it's the same in the VN but here's hoping ufotable does them right.
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ssjokg said:
JackFisher said:
JonTrozstein said:
A lot of people criticized the anime , said it's bad and how it never followed the VN. But I actually felt it's good, I never really read the novel but it's about 88 Hours according to HLTB. What do you guys think?


It's good with the Realta Nua ending. Thought Fate/Zero was better.


The VN is blurry on my mind I probably forgotten a sex scene in HF.

The anime had the RN ending...ok...

And you didnt forget a scene you forgot an entire story.Aka never acrtually played it.

JackFisher said:
DarkSynopsis said:
Well the Poll will easily be one-sided, I mean just the Art from Zero alone blows Stay/Night out of the water.

Either way I enjoyed the Stay/Night Anime though I've never played the VN, looking forward to the ufotable version also since I just enjoy that universe.


It's really about the story. Guilty Crown have beautiful art and with a badass animation coup with a badass sound track but with cliche characters and jumbled up plot, it's still going to be shit.
As always you have no idea what you are talking about when talking about Fate/.
JonTrozstein said:
Ckan said:
For all its issues, the soundtrack was great, and the voice actors made their characters.


I downloaded the game but I was wondering should I start with the Fate Route or get a save file and play the other routes, any suggestions?

1.Disregard EVERTHING JackFisher says.
2.Play it from the beginning.That means Fate route, then UBW route and THEN Heaven's Feel.

As for the poll.
Anime wise:FZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FSN
Original source wise:FSN>FZ



....................................................................................................................You do know I was talking about GUILTY CROWN not Fate right? Also, I WATCHED THE ANIME then I PLAYED THE ENDING. So yeah, good to see your reading comprehension is worst then before.
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Everything that needed to be said about this, was already stated(alongside some very bullshit posts)


F/SN vn > F/0 light novels > F/0 anime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSN DEEN adaptation.


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Both you and me know this is nonsense.



So she went out of her way to warn them?
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Fai said:
Everything that needed to be said about this, was already stated(alongside some very bullshit posts)


F/SN vn > F/0 light novels > F/0 anime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSN DEEN adaptation.


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Both you and me know this is nonsense.



So she went out of her way to warn them?



She did that because
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Yet she returned to that "weak" self.


Because she got a proof of love
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Fai said:
ssjokg said:
Yet she returned to that "weak" self.


Because she got a proof of love

So how does that prove that she is evil?
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This is the fucking internet, why the fuck would I lie about something as trivial as a some fucking hentai game? And you were taking those bullshit argument seriously?

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This is the fucking internet, why the fuck would I lie about something as trivial as a some fucking hentai game? And you were taking those bullshit argument seriously?
Please don't call F/S N a hentai game lol, it's not a fucking nukige just because it has like 6 H-scenes total
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I was lying when I said I don't know whether to like or hate F/SN because after finishing that anime I downloaded the game because the ending for the anime was shit. After looking at the reliable sources of Wikipedia I discovered it was an adaptation from a hentai game some choice are involved and I can have sex with Saber. So I downloaded it, felt asleep playing it. And probably even slept though one of the sex scene. I played it for the Realta Nua ending. So I actually liked Fate/Stay Night after that. But it's still shit compared to Fate/Zero.


It doesnt even have to do with the that h-scene question(even if that h-scene is plot related).What you supposedly know about Fate/ or Nasuverse prove that you barely played the VN if you did even that.
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ssjokg said:
JackFisher said:
I was lying when I said I don't know whether to like or hate F/SN because after finishing that anime I downloaded the game because the ending for the anime was shit. After looking at the reliable sources of Wikipedia I discovered it was an adaptation from a hentai game some choice are involved and I can have sex with Saber. So I downloaded it, felt asleep playing it. And probably even slept though one of the sex scene. I played it for the Realta Nua ending. So I actually liked Fate/Stay Night after that. But it's still shit compared to Fate/Zero.


It doesnt even have to do with the that h-scene question(even if that h-scene is plot related).What you supposedly know about Fate/ or Nasuverse prove that you barely played the VN if you did even that.


I already have nothing to say to you, I don't care what you think happened or not happened, you seem eager to attack any thread that diss F/SN even a little. I don't know what the hell happened to you, but I sure as hell don't want to know nor give a fuck.

You don't think I played F/SN? Fine.

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JackFisher said:


This is the fucking internet, why the fuck would I lie about something as trivial as a some fucking hentai game? And you were taking those bullshit argument seriously?
Please don't call F/S N a hentai game lol, it's not a fucking nukige just because it has like 6 H-scenes total


Oi. It's just an eroge, how you address it doesn't matter. Get over it.
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