Monogatari Series: Second Season
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Pyro32 said: I think you're confusing dull with godlike. That's what made the series right there.Seriously, have you guys seen Nisemonogatari? the story's were kinda dull in comparison, I don't even think I need to mention the toothbrush thing... ...which is probably why i don't see this series getting a dub.... Of course not, that would only ruin the toothbrush scene. But it got an American release, so I don't see the difference. |
Pyro32 said: Angel_Beats said: Fierce_Deity22 said: Bake is so overly praised its getting sickening. :/ I marathoned this whole series over a week ago and they all feel the same to me. People need to get over the nostalgic feelings they probably have for the first season. Jeez. it's actually my least favorite of the three tv series. on topic though, rip kaiki. Seriously, have you guys seen Nisemonogatari? the story's were kinda dull in comparison, I don't even think I need to mention the toothbrush thing which is probably why i don't see this series getting a dub.... Bake is loved because it's the introduction to the series and let's face it the banter for the first 5 episodes is incredible not to mention the date episode had me in stitches throughout. What are you talking about the toothbrush scene is what made Nisemonogatari worth it. It's like a defining scene of what makes Monogatari Series so great. :D But yeah I agree none of the seasons are better than others. I marathoned them too when I watched them. |
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| I liked this season more than Nise but Bake is my favorite still. If I had to rate each arc Hanekawa: 6/10 Hachikui: 9/10 Nadeko: 9/10 Shinobu: 8/10 Senjougahara: 7/10 This season had more Shinobu which is always good, but it needed more Araragi. I'll re-watch this when Crunchyroll has all of the episodes up. Now its time to wait for Hana and Kizu |
| Excuse me guys, but what does this say? https://yande.re/post/show/278216/araragi_koyomi-bakemonogatari-matsuura_riki-senjou |
Grouchio said: Excuse me guys, but what does this say? https://yande.re/post/show/278216/araragi_koyomi-bakemonogatari-matsuura_riki-senjou Nothing important. It's like a summary of Koi arc. |
| Is anyone else hoping for a complete revamp of the final episode for the BD release? The CG was horrendous! This episode is a hateful stain on this series' history of otherwise so consistent and beautiful art and animation. Seeing as they tend to improve / change a lot for the BDs, we can surely expect some kind of improvement. But what do you think are the chances of them getting rid or toning down the CG? |
| It wasn't even clear what became of Kaiki. Why you guys think he's dead? :/ |
| There's two kinds of people you can't win an argument against: One - Too dumb to tell right from wrong. Two - Too stubborn to admit they are wrong. |
kuity said: I think the biggest factor was his skull being bashed in.It wasn't even clear what became of Kaiki. Why you guys think he's dead? :/ |
| Incredible series overall and personally the one that really cements that it has beautiful art, especially in the Hanekawa and Shinobu arcs. Thoroughly entertaining from start to finish. Abolutely wonderful OP's, some of my favourites of the season. Only minor complain was the lack of Kanbaru but I guess that's what the sequel is for. 9/10. |
skudoops said: BeatzMe said: Is anyone else hoping for a complete revamp of the final episode for the BD release? The CG was horrendous! This episode is a hateful stain on this series' history of otherwise so consistent and beautiful art and animation. Seeing as they tend to improve / change a lot for the BDs, we can surely expect some kind of improvement. But what do you think are the chances of them getting rid or toning down the CG? Non existent, the reason they used the CG in the first place is because animating that many snakes would be a very long and tedious task. Expect CG from any scene (from almost any anime) with a large amount of moving entities such as large battles, this snake scene etc. Let's just hope people learn from Sunrise and actually make it acceptable. Those snake CGs are not important as per scene said because in the book iirc, the only thing that actually made the scene good is Kaiki being kicked and punched by Nadeko (it was supposed to be more forceful than what you have saw in the episode, iirc). Shaft being lazy - No. That fact is undeniable. Nadeko's character model/design was totally off in many scenes in this episode. |
skudoops said: Non existent, the reason they used the CG in the first place is because animating that many snakes would be a very long and tedious task. Expect CG from any scene (from almost any anime) with a large amount of moving entities such as large battles, this snake scene etc. Let's just hope people learn from Sunrise and actually make it acceptable. I don't have a problem with CG in general. But from a successful series like monogatari I expected at least somewhat decent CG which blends nicely with background. But that was just lazy. yukaru00 said: Those snake CGs are not important as per scene said because in the book iirc, the only thing that actually made the scene good is Kaiki being kicked and punched by Nadeko (it was supposed to be more forceful than what you have saw in the episode, iirc). Shaft being lazy - No. That fact is undeniable. Nadeko's character model/design was totally off in many scenes in this episode. Exactly. They could have just reduced the snake count or something along the lines. Less would have been more in this case. Due to the unnecessary number of snakes they were practically forced to resort to uncharitable CG. As for the character models, that's something they will surely improve for the BDs, as they did for previous releases. |
| Hitagi end best arc in the series for sure. What an amazing character kaiki is. 11/10. MSSS was incredible overall, but the Hanekawa arc and Shinobu Time (episode 20 was one of the best however) bring it a bit down for me. The two other arcs were decent tho. Overall 9/10, compared to Bake which I'll rate give a 9.3. |
| Great series. Romantic and sad, as always... 10/10 |
| While I disliked this last arc this ending was still pretty good to be honest and well I'm anticipating the next season! / All by all I must say I found this the best season of the whole series, not only by story but also how they gave the characters a more in depth past and overall better character! Of course the kiss scenes were super lovely and the good combination between humor and serious dialogue sure managed to entertain me! I still feel sad that Mayoi had to leave as that was my most favorite character from this series! Either way looking forward what the upcoming series has to offer us but all by all I sure liked this season a lot! 9/10 |
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| I'm so used to shaft that I didn't mind the CG lol. c: got used to it, even thinking they made it look lazy on purpose. Like how they make almost every public place abandoned. And DAYUM C: Nadeko a beasttttttt ! Poor Kaiki, I really started to like him this arc. )': from the first time I saw Ougi I thought she was pretty suspicious with her dark eyes and all that. And she said to Araragi : her job was to take care of liars. Oh shit. Maybe it didn't apply to only oddities, but people too? I mean Kaiki wasnt really being himself as a deceiver lol. W.e that's me being dumb. :x I still want to see more nadeko next season, even though Araragi was ordered to ignore her. :c And oshino. Him too <3 |
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| i wonder when will they deal with that bitch Ougi Oshino who plotted all this, who manipulated Nadeko to becoming that snake god, also shes the 1 who told upset people who Kaiki is, not that i care about him, Ouig is a snake herself, she needs to be dealt with, she mite be Oshino relative, but that dose not mean she can get away with awry thing my dislike with Ougi is not cause of what happened to Kaiki, more cause she manipulated Nedeko to become the snake god, with out it she would have not become so insane with urge to kill Araragi hes GF & Shinobu & second, her plotting itself ticks me off When she meets Nadeko at the beginning of Otorimonogatari, it initially appears that she merely want to tell Nadeko to stop playing the victim, it is later revealed that she is the mastermind behind Nadeko tricking into becoming a snake god. |
Sugram22Jan 24, 2014 2:05 AM
| Kaiki did something good once & suddenly hes a good guy? a hero? ur kidding right? u people are naive to think that!!! & second Senjougahara manipulated him to accept the job, have u forgotten how good she is with manipulating people? so its not like he did it out of good heart well some people make it sound like hes good guy, a hero i ton't hate Kaiki, but i dislike him |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 3:47 AM
| ^ yeah because Kaiki had no way to deal with Hitagi.He couldnt just take Gaen's money and disappear.... No matter how good she is at "manipulating", if she is dead she cant do anything. And since we are at that, how exactly did she manipulate him? |
| u should have noticed how she manipulate him, its mind FK to explain, so i wont pother, ur fault for not paying attention to the anime, 1 example i can write, its easier to explain, like when she say'd shes willing to sell her body to save Araragi, that was to manipulate him to lower his price, she knows him, that he wont accept that deal, Hitagi mite be willing to go that far, but she knows that Araragi will dumb her if she lovers herself that low, he would rather die then allow it, & lies lies like that come out sooner or later, so she would be unable to hide selling her body forever from Araragi, shes to smart for that, so her talk selling her body was a Bluff, a Trick cause she know that there is a line he wont cross he did lie, told Gene hes gonna back out, to get her money to, & hes the type to keep hes promise, & that dose not make him a good guy, just smart business man & the fact some people are willing to kill him shows how much damage hes done & shows that hes not good guy, just cause he has some respect & admiration to her that she was able to pull out & become stronger from what he did to her in past, so its like he feels he owes her a bit, u can also cal it a soft spot for Hitagi, but again that dose not make him a good guy, i bet after that he continues hes old job |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 8:41 AM
| She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. |
ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother but 1 example i can write, its easier to explain, like when she say'd shes willing to sell her body to save Araragi, that was to manipulate him to lower his price, she knows him, that he wont accept that deal, Hitagi mite be willing to go that far, but she knows that Araragi will dumb her if she lovers herself that low, he would rather die then allow it, & lies lies like that come out sooner or later, so she would be unable to hide selling her body forever from Araragi, shes to smart for that, so her talk selling her body was a Bluff, a Trick cause she know that there is a line he wont cross Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i guess u were only reading to the point were i say'd the word Mind FK |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 9:07 AM
Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. also hes character mite be different then u see him i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting |
Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. |
| Kaiki has a soft spot for Hitagi, he admires her, cause she was able to pull trough it all & become stronger, despite what he did to her in past & that's also 1 reason, & hes against girl selling her body, it dose not go against hes character, its the type he is + that soft spot for Hitagi this minor things he did do not convince me that he has become hero, he gained something from it? YES money!!! & tha's what hes always after, Hitagi just manipulated him to lover hes price & that was just 1 conversation of her manipulation, her hole conversation with him was manipulation, i just brought up 1 & simpler |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. ur forgetting what he did in Nisemonogatari???? & he was ready to kill Arargi sister, she could have died & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him did i say he mind funked girl selling her body? i say'd it was Hitagi manipulation, she say'd it knowing that Kaiki will refuse!!! cause bad guy dose something good once or twice dose not make him a good guy |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 9:34 AM
Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. ur forgetting what he did in Nisemonogatari???? he was ready to kill Arargi sister, she could have died & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him Are you forgetting that Karen would be cured even if they didnt do anything? And as I said above "People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No." Those that want to kill him because the curse that they put on Nadeko,the curse that could have killed Nadeko, came back to them arent poor little victims. |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. ur forgetting what he did in Nisemonogatari???? he was ready to kill Arargi sister, she could have died & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him Are you forgetting that Karen would be cured even if they didnt do anything? And as I said above "People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No." Those that want to kill him because the curse that they put on Nadeko,the curse that could have killed Nadeko, came back to them arent poor little victims. ur forgetting the reason why people try'd to kill Kaiki, cause what he did in Nisemonogatari People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc why people try'd to kill them, there were different reasons, but they want to kill Kaiki cause he wronged them, ton't play lawyer trying to twist waht i'm saying, i hate it, & i hate to explain it so thoroughly also the fact remains Kaiki devices people & robs them, do good people do that no, its hes way of life & its a bad guy's way of life, to u think he change? NO!!! he will return to hes life style soon |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 9:44 AM
Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. ur forgetting what he did in Nisemonogatari???? he was ready to kill Arargi sister, she could have died & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him Are you forgetting that Karen would be cured even if they didnt do anything? And as I said above "People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No." Those that want to kill him because the curse that they put on Nadeko,the curse that could have killed Nadeko, came back to them arent poor little victims. ur forgetting the reason why people try'd to kill Kaiki, cause what he did in Nisemonogatari People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc why people try'd to kill them, there were different reasons, but they want to kill Kaiki cause he wronged them, ton't play lawyer trying to twist waht i'm saying, i hate it, i hate to explain it so thoroughly Twist what? You say that people try to kill because of what he did in Nise. What he did in Nise was give some stupid kids a curse/charm that THEY THOUGHT could torture/kill Nadeko.When that curse became real because of Nadeko and came back to them, they wanted to kill him. So he is a bad guy because someone that wanted to kill/torture another person(for no reason)got a taste of his own medicine?That doesnt make sense. Yeah he took money from middleschoolers that wanted to bring pain to others.So evil. |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: ssjokg said: She mindfucked him? Are you serious? More like you make up stuff than me not paying attention. And yes Hitagi WOULD go that far to save Araragi.She would DIE,far worse than selling her body, to save Araragi.Denying that is denying her whole character. People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No. no i say'd explaining it is mind funking, so i wont pother Except that your explanation is based on nothing and goes against the chars' personalities. Hitagi's "proposal" was an attempt to hit one of Kaiki's sore points so that he would start to cooperate with her instead of demanding too much money. i just cant explain it better, 1 thing my ENG is not that good, to explain awryting So he is SO BAD that he will be mindfucked by a girl selling her body. He is so bad that he save a girl from her crazy mother even if it was bad business for him. And he would also try to save that girl again,putting his life on the line because he has a soft spot? This is like a bad shounen heel-face turn than monogatari. ur forgetting what he did in Nisemonogatari???? he was ready to kill Arargi sister, she could have died & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him Are you forgetting that Karen would be cured even if they didnt do anything? And as I said above "People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc.Does that make them bad people?No." Those that want to kill him because the curse that they put on Nadeko,the curse that could have killed Nadeko, came back to them arent poor little victims. ur forgetting the reason why people try'd to kill Kaiki, cause what he did in Nisemonogatari People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc why people try'd to kill them, there were different reasons, but they want to kill Kaiki cause he wronged them, ton't play lawyer trying to twist waht i'm saying, i hate it, i hate to explain it so thoroughly Twist what? You say that people try to kill because of what he did in Nise. What he did in Nise was give some stupid kids a curse/charm that THEY THOUGHT could torture/kill Nadeko.When that curse became real because of Nadeko and came back to them, they wanted to kill him. So he is a bad guy because someone that wanted to kill/torture another person(for no reason)got a taste of his own medicine?That doesnt make sense. Yeah he took money from middleschoolers that wanted to bring pain to others.So evil. u twisted this & the fact some people are willing to kill him means how much damage he did, so what he did here dose not make him a good guy neither & i still dislike him with this And as I said above "People were also trying to kill Araragi,Tsukihi,Shinobu and lets not forget Nadeko's first arc. Does that make them bad people?No." its also what u can call playing lawyer he has also deceived good people, like Hitagi, how u know the ones that try'd to kill him were victims of the curse in Nise, i bet in nice he deceived good people to in Nise, also hes actions had ferry bad consequences, cause of him Nadeko became snake the first time also the fact remains Kaiki devices people & robs them, do good people do that no, its hes way of life & its a bad guy's way of life, to u think he change? NO!!! he will return to hes life style soon |
| No it is called thinking. He deceived Hitagi to save her family.How evil of him. People that want charms to curse others arent good people.And since we dont have anything that proves he sold anything else that caused damage,you cant actually say that. Nadeko didnt became a snake.And it was her fault for killing the snakes in the shrine.The charms werent supposed to be real.That he was naive doesnt make him a bad person. Yes so far,as we have seen,he deceives people that are far from good,and sometimes he does that even with nothing to gain. What a bad guy's way of life....I hope he returns to his life style soon. |
ssjokg said: No it is called thinking. He deceived Hitagi to save her family.How evil of him. People that want charms to curse others arent good people.And since we dont have anything that proves he sold anything else that caused damage,you cant actually say that. Nadeko didnt became a snake.And it was her fault for killing the snakes in the shrine.The charms werent supposed to be real.That he was naive doesnt make him a bad person. Yes so far,as we have seen,he deceives people that are far from good,and sometimes he does that even with nothing to gain. What a bad guy's way of life....I hope he returns to his life style soon. & how u know all wanted curse from him? He promised to help Hitagi with the crab issue, but he robbed Hitagi, took money with out help , u only prig up good things he did to Hitagi 2 years ago, but he also robbed her, promised help her, taking money & not helping, & hos dose that make him good guy? also the fact remains Kaiki devices people & robs them, do good people do that no, its hes way of life & its a bad guy's way of life, to u think he change? NO!!! he will return to hes life style soon & i'm sick of arguing about it :) |
| That's the only thing we know.Making assumptions and calling him evil based on those isnt right. And he helped Hitagi.If it wasnt for Kaiki,Hitagi could have really been raped or worse.He didnt solve her crab problem but he did solve her family's problem. Deceiving someone=/=bad guy. Especially when the deceived one isnt a good guy. You ignore the good he has done and focus on his "bad" acts without taking into account the situations and the personalities of the victims. |
| also the fact remains Kaiki devices people & robs them, do good people do that no, its hes way of life & its a bad guy's way of life, to u think he change? NO!!! he will return to hes life style soon I have not talked about evil, just bad, hes bad guy, its not just about deceiving he robs people & causes them trouble & suffering, despite hes victims who wanted curse from him were not innocent, he caused that firs snake mess & other trouble & so i see him as Villain & that he did little good wont change it, he has to do a lot more to earn it, to earn the good guy title ur ignoring all the bad he did & only bring out the few good things he did, that not even playing lawyer that's playing a politician |
Sugram22Jan 10, 2018 5:04 AM
| Repeating that sentence doesnt prove anything. The world isnt black or white.Again:You ignore the good he has done and focus on his "bad" acts without taking into account the situations and the personalities of the victims. Again:Being naive doesnt make him a bad guy. You dont know how much "good" or "evil" he has actually done.Giving him any title based on nothing? Now from what we have seen in both Nise and MSS he more of a good guy than a bad guy. |
| Good ending for an amazing anime. I think most of us had compassion for Kaiki, but it probably would've been to easy just to walk away after staying for such a long time where he's hated. 10/10 Monogatari Series Second Season |
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| Kaiki dose it for the money, & its not that he dose not think about the consequences, he dose not care what the consequences are, as long as he get hes money |
Sugram22 said: Kaiki dose it for the money, & its not that he dose not think about the consequences, he dose not care what the consequences are, as long as he get hes money He does it for money...like how he saved Hitagi's family and the 3 of them from Nadeko....ok.... |
| that's nothing compared to how much wrong hes done |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 2:52 PM
Sugram22 said: Again:You cant say how much "wrong" he has done.You can only assume it.that's nothing compared to how much wrong hes done |
| & u say'd world isn't black & white ponce, i almost for got to reply to that, I KNOW THAT, but i cant see him as a good guy, as a hero |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: Again:You cant say how much "wrong" he has done.You can only assume it.that's nothing compared to how much wrong hes done its not just assumption, cause that's enough for me to know him, that he robbed Hitagi he poisoned Araragi sister with that pee trick, then he was involved wit that curse crap in Nise & hes scam artist it hes job to do wrong & earn money with it, that's all i need to decide |
Sugram22 said: but i cant see him as a good guy, as a hero That is fine. Sugram22 said: is not just assumption, cause that's enough for me to know him, that he robbed Hitagi he poisoned Araragi sister with that pee trick, then he was involved wit that curse crap in Nise & hes scam artist it hes job to do wrong & eran money with it, that's all i need to decide But ignoring the good deeds he did and focusing on the bad deeds that he may or may not have committed while ignoring situations and the persons involved, isnt fair. |
ssjokg said: Sugram22 said: but i cant see him as a good guy, as a hero That is fine. Sugram22 said: is not just assumption, cause that's enough for me to know him, that he robbed Hitagi he poisoned Araragi sister with that pee trick, then he was involved wit that curse crap in Nise & hes scam artist it hes job to do wrong & eran money with it, that's all i need to decide But ignoring the good deeds he did and focusing on the bad deeds that he may or may not have committed while ignoring situations and the persons involved, isnt fair. he has not done enough good to convince me, its not that i'm ignoring that, people like him wont change so easy & so fast ur ignoring all the bad he did & only bring out the few good things he did, that not even playing lawyer that's playing a politician |
Sugram22Jan 10, 2018 5:09 AM
| only future can tell who he becomes, he isn't dead, i meant time will tell is he good or not i was reading some NOVEL SPOILERS, & according to this Kaiki survive's that attack, depends how much they follow the NOVEL |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2014 3:20 PM
| Senjougahara Araragi will be pissed when he finds out u were dishonest with Him, u better tell him the truth before its 2late & he hears it from some were else :) so what i meant, he will be pissed about dishonesty not cause she actually hired Kaiki, if she tells him she hired Kaiki (what is actually the truth) i doubt that he gets mad for that she should have been honest from the start, dishonesty can brake up relationship :) she should be more careful, cause lies come out sooner or later :) |
Sugram22 said: Senjougahara Araragi will be pissed when he finds out u were dishonest with Him, u better tell him the truth before its 2late & he hears it from some were else :) so what i meant, he will be pissed about dishonesty not cause she actually hired Kaiki, if she tells him she hired Kaiki (what is actually the truth) i doubt that he gets mad for that she should have been honest from the start, dishonesty can brake up relationship :) she should be more careful, cause lies come out sooner or later :) For some reason it feels like those are what a 12 year old thinks about relationships. |
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