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| What a way to end, powerful episode and I really felt for all three of them. When they flashed back to the last song of the festival I could feel my eyes caving in a bit, I had been waiting for that since they skipped it and it really captured the end of this series. Overall I really enjoyed this. It had a strong start and was very fascinating, I loved the music. It was a simple love triangle, but I thought it was well done. Setsuna, Haruki, and Kazusa all felt so human, none being completely at fault and being able to care about all 3. Their decisions and motives weren't cookie cutter logical and I like how it takes more looking into to understand them. I couldn't root for either pairing and I'm glad it turned out that way because it made what happened all the more powerful. I'll probably give this an 8/10, maybe a 9 after some deeper reflection. hyperknees91 said: Joanna the answer is simple, because they are shippers. It does pain me when people purposely overlook the bigger picture in order to "ohmaigawdHimxHer other girl a bitch!!" |
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| You know what I found really ironic that I overlooked before. People wonder why Setsuna tries to keep the three of them together and why she tries so hard to stay with Haruki. Well does anyone remember the first episode? Whose the one who lectures Setsuna about just letting other people decide for her. Not only that but he also explains to her that she needs to act on her own if she wants or doesn't want something. Funny how you find these things. |
| 2manyFeelzThisEp Any slight chance of a new season? |
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| Damn kind of a sad end. Still hoping for a 2nd season. So Haruki and Kazu go at it while Setsuna his girlfriend is calling him. He tells her everything she hangs on kinda desperately. They kiss in front of her at the airport while she's in tears. Damn. That was kinda harsh. That didn't really work out for anyone. Hope the VN eventually gets translated :( |
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hyperknees91 said: sweetsymphony said: radle said: There's gotta be a S2 soon, not sure when but I really cannot wait if this pic is true: http://i.imgur.com/tE3ghRz.jpg Whats this image all about? A sketch of Touma? It's how she looks in the final arc in the visual novel. It was tweeted by the satelight animator, so more then likely they have confirmed they are doing Coda (maybe they'll just skip CC haha). I hope they'll adapt CC as well, because it's considered as a Kamige and skipping it won't be wise if they want to please the fans and adapt the story in its full glory. I hope they'll make the right choice and won't skip ahead to Coda even if CC is about Setsuna if they're going on the Touma route. |
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| It will never be adapted in its full glory unless they decide to omnibus it. Which is certainly possible, but unlikely given how much time that would take (they would have to dedicate at least 13 episodes to the three side heroine routes). I guess they could possibly write the details given to you about Haruki and Setsuna from those routes, but they would also have to change the story. |
tsuki-oniisan said: .-ZET- said: "There already was poison in the soup, why not eat it all up?" - is what Haruki would say. Thinking of this in a realistic standpoint (though of course WA2 is fictional), their "precious" memories/past is basically screwed up - wasted. Future undecided (what if a "closing chapter" was never made? Ofc all of us are left to fantasize about hat is to happen - which left me to my opinion). Friendship broken. So what did I just watch 13 episodes for? For their friendship to melt like snow. No one is perfect, thus, every character in a story HAS a FLAW - which comes to WA2's main flaw to itself, the characters (which I'm not going to elaborate more). No matter how well the script is written, how perfect the music is timed, when you've got an ending that will leave a bad taste to your mouth, it just is worth ranting about. Either way, if WA2 took the traditional road of "guy A ending up with girl A, leaving girl B alone", it still is NOT a happy ending, at least NOT AS WORST as what actually ended up happening. Honestly, I wouldn't mind it if Haruki ended up with either two of the girls. Hell, if it's possible, all three of them could've had a mutual love altogether - but then again, that's not realistically possible as far as I know. With all that said, WA2 is a great anime - great in a way how they portrayed the characters, how the plot developed and every other shenanigans needed for a romance genre. But how it ended is basically... meh. You have the characters for a flaw, who never bothered to fix themselves first, before fixing their relationship. I give this a 7/10 (a good ending is a must for a good romance anime - I mean, who can be so cruel to leave us broken hearted? *5 centimeter/second cough*). I feel sorry for 4 people - Haruki, Kazusa, Setsuna, and myself DAMMIT HAHA yeah i agree with you, but just like I said, this isn't the end yet, this is just the tiny part where they just introduce the characters, the real show starts later on, so we can't say things like "this didn't ended they way I wanted" Just like movies that has countless parts, we all feel the same about those, but the final one, always comes with a proper ending(well at least some do) so we just gotta wait for it, but I don't think it's right to judge the series by that, because it's not complete yet. |
-ZET-Jan 3, 2014 4:34 PM
| It's kind of been bugging me...I can't decide if the characters are realistic or predictable. It was kind of weird that I was able to predict two routes (see my post in page 18) without even playing the VN (I read that summary mdz made in the other thread). My brain says no, not realistic. Because certainly if such a whacked relationship happens in real life, the chances of having at least one of them ending up dead is very high. I know a lot of people who have fallen helplessly in love to the point of throwing everything away but at some point, they (even the most M) manage to get back after knocking some sense into them. On the other hand, should I say predictable and contrived? When I wrote that post I was thinking "if I was the writer of this VERY bitter(sweet) or dare I say tragic story, what kind of path and ending would I have the characters take/meet? Obviously a happy ending wouldn't apply given how the characters are so perhaps go for a route that'll leave a bade aftertaste." Normally I'd just click the Completed button and move on to another series. Obviously I found the story good. No, maybe the more appropriate word to use is well-written. Because I wouldn't be sitting here typing this post if it didn't have an effect on me. If anything, the writer achieved his goal: it left a bad taste in the mouth and left me wondering what I should think about his story. |
xcheeJan 3, 2014 5:44 PM
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Depends on what people mean when they say "realistic", technically School Days is more realistic then people would like to believe (Far worse things have happened in the real world due to relationships then the likes of that story). Also plenty of people in real life have predictable responses to things. So that's not necessarily a trait that goes against reality. I think people mean they are just less comical then typical anime characters. Kind of life Mushishi or something (well mushishi characters are less dramatized so technically they are more realistic). |
hyperknees91Jan 3, 2014 6:11 PM
| Oh wow you read my mind. When I was writing my previous post I was like "well if you think about it, all that dying and killing in School Days is kind of more realistic" lol. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| But to answer your question is the ending contrived? Absolutely. Predictable? Kinda sorta but considering the writers copped out and gave 3 endings it's kind of hard to predict that it would have that outcome. |
hyperknees91 said: maybe they'll just skip CC haha That would be the worst thing that could happen for me and probably others who like WA2 but can't play the VN. That feeling when one of your favorite series is ruined is just...ugh. I don't even want to think about how disappointed I'd be if that were to happen to this one. If it just drags on for too long I'm sure they can work around that but even if they won't,I'd still find it better than skipping out on important events. So what if Kazusa's not present? She'll get her time in Coda right? Don't get me wrong,I don't dislike her or anything but for now,I want to see how things work out between Haruki & Setsuna,their college life and also Takeya's,Io's & Chikashi's stances with everything that's happened between the two. Besides that, if the 2nd season started with Kazusa returning or something then that would make her departure in this season less impactful,IMHO. yogotah said: I don't think the issues should be predictability but rather execution of the material I totally agree on this. I only took a sneak-peak at mdz's post(awesome as it is,I don't want to spoil myself too much),mainly a little at the beginning of CC and at the last 1-2 sentences from each of the 3 endings,and it's not anything some of us wouldn't expect. Like you said,we eventually start to see some patterns in behaviour. Heck,I'm sure some of us could've came up with a few possible endings for this season and eventually get it right without much effort but most of the charm of WA2's story definitely seems to lie in it's execution. |
ManlyTearJan 4, 2014 4:23 AM
That would be the worst thing that could happen for me and probably others who like WA2 but can't play the VN. That feeling when one of your favorite series is ruined is just...ugh. I don't even want to think about how disappointed I'd be if that were to happen to this one. If it just drags on for too long I'm sure they can work around that but even if they won't,I'd still find it better than skipping out on important events. So what if Kazusa's not present? She'll get her time in Coda right? Don't get me wrong,I don't dislike her or anything but for now,I want to see how things work out between Haruki & Setsuna,their college life and also Takeya's,Io's & Chikashi's stances with everything that's happened between the two. Besides that, if the 2nd season started with Kazusa returning or something then that would make her departure in this season less impactful,IMHO. I'd rather they write around it then try to make an accurate adaption. I mean unless they omnibus it like said before it's not going to be an accurate adaption. Contrary to belief, the 3 side heroine routes aren't just extras and are key to understand Setsuna and Haruki as characters (as they are mostly about Haruki and Setsuna actually). Without them, CC will just feel shallow. Unfortunately I highly doubt they'll do that because the story is just too dang long (well of course they can abridge it severely with little consequences at the very least). Plus it's not like going straight to Coda is necessarily a bad writing tactic. In some ways I could see it making the story more compelling (actually in several ways I see it making the story more compelling). |
hyperknees91 said: That would be the worst thing that could happen for me and probably others who like WA2 but can't play the VN. That feeling when one of your favorite series is ruined is just...ugh. I don't even want to think about how disappointed I'd be if that were to happen to this one. If it just drags on for too long I'm sure they can work around that but even if they won't,I'd still find it better than skipping out on important events. So what if Kazusa's not present? She'll get her time in Coda right? Don't get me wrong,I don't dislike her or anything but for now,I want to see how things work out between Haruki & Setsuna,their college life and also Takeya's,Io's & Chikashi's stances with everything that's happened between the two. Besides that, if the 2nd season started with Kazusa returning or something then that would make her departure in this season less impactful,IMHO. I'd rather they write around it then try to make an accurate adaption. I mean unless they omnibus it like said before it's not going to be an accurate adaption. Contrary to belief, the 3 side heroine routes aren't just extras and are key to understand Setsuna and Haruki as characters (as they are mostly about Haruki and Setsuna actually). Without them, CC will just feel shallow. Unfortunately I highly doubt they'll do that because the story is just too dang long (well of course they can abridge it severely with little consequences at the very least). Plus it's not like going straight to Coda is necessarily a bad writing tactic. In some ways I could see it making the story more compelling (actually in several ways I see it making the story more compelling). I just don't want them skipping out on important parts and thing is,what's "important" can sometimes be subjective. About the 3 side heroines: I was thinking more like they could animate the important parts from those routes without fully commiting to them. I really don't think going omnibus would be recommended. WA2 hardly feels like the type of series where that'd work. CC seems kind of hard to adapt I guess,heh. |
| Impossible, without romance none of those routes make any sense. Unless they want to do a White Album 1 and make Haruki cheat on everyone with everyone then sure. It's not like a key adaption where they can skimp out on the romance. And like said, unless they go omnibus important details are going to be left out regardless. This is why I said they are better off rewriting the story then actually trying to make a fully accurate adaption. Steins;Gate somewhat did this and it was fine. The only reason they were able to adapt IC without much of a hitch was because it was a linear story with zero choices. It's quite honestly the easiest visual novel to adapt ever in terms of that part. It's not going to work out as well for the rest of it. |
hyperknees91Jan 4, 2014 7:24 AM
| It was really great. For me its 9/10. Characters where so real and fault was not only one side . I wonder if they ll create second season but even ova could be good:). |
| Anime of the Season and Year for me. (10/10) |
| "MIRAI ZURA! MIRAI ZURA YO, RUBY-CHAN!" -Hanamaru Kunikida |
| I got the FEELS so much from this ending and Ep.12 as well. I felt like I could really understand how all three of them were feeling and yet it wasn't a happy ending but in a sense its good because that's whats great about anime that you get to decide what happens next unless we get a Season 2. 10/10 |
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hyperknees91 said: Impossible, without romance none of those routes make any sense. Unless they want to do a White Album 1 and make Haruki cheat on everyone with everyone then sure. It's not like a key adaption where they can skimp out on the romance. And like said, unless they go omnibus important details are going to be left out regardless. This is why I said they are better off rewriting the story then actually trying to make a fully accurate adaption. Steins;Gate somewhat did this and it was fine. The only reason they were able to adapt IC without much of a hitch was because it was a linear story with zero choices. It's quite honestly the easiest visual novel to adapt ever in terms of that part. It's not going to work out as well for the rest of it. They'd better not pull off a WA1(NO GODDESSES PLEASE!). I see what you mean though. Looks like rewritting some parts in CC might be the best option. They certainly can do it right but I can't help but be worried now. One question though: When you said that "CC will just feel shallow",did you mean that's how it'd be if they'd do what a lot of us would expect and just animate Setsuna's route? That would mean the main route of CC is pretty weak on it's own,which is kind of surprising to me. If it's good but boring if it drags out for too long then I believe that dedicating a lesser number of episodes to it while mixing it up with a few anime original episodes(this would be where the 3 side heroines would come in) enough to make it a 1-cour might work out nicely. But yeah,it definitely requires more work from the writter as well as director. The risk of failing is there but if they succeed,the 2nd season of the anime might turn out better than the VN. Btw,no major spoilers pls. |
ManlyTearJan 4, 2014 8:53 PM
Intrusion said: But yeah this was amazing, and it's crazy how it's the sequel to this that is apparently so amazing lol It's not a direct sequel though... I wouldn't call it a sequel. |
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MgMaster said: hyperknees91 said: Impossible, without romance none of those routes make any sense. Unless they want to do a White Album 1 and make Haruki cheat on everyone with everyone then sure. It's not like a key adaption where they can skimp out on the romance. And like said, unless they go omnibus important details are going to be left out regardless. This is why I said they are better off rewriting the story then actually trying to make a fully accurate adaption. Steins;Gate somewhat did this and it was fine. The only reason they were able to adapt IC without much of a hitch was because it was a linear story with zero choices. It's quite honestly the easiest visual novel to adapt ever in terms of that part. It's not going to work out as well for the rest of it. They'd better not pull off a WA1(NO GODDESSES PLEASE!). I see what you mean though. Looks like rewritting some parts in CC might be the best option. They certainly can do it right but I can't help but be worried now. One question though: When you said that "CC will just feel shallow",did you mean that's how it'd be if they'd do what a lot of us would expect and just animate Setsuna's route? That would mean the main route of CC is pretty weak on it's own,which is kind of surprising to me. If it's good but boring if it drags out for too long then I believe that dedicating a lesser number of episodes to it while mixing it up with a few anime original episodes(this would be where the 3 side heroines would come in) enough to make it a 1-cour might work out nicely. But yeah,it definitely requires more work from the writter as well as director. The risk of failing is there but if they succeed,the 2nd season of the anime might turn out better than the VN. Btw,no major spoilers pls. Yes the main route of CC is weak, especially without knowing more details about Haruki and Setsuna. The thing about WA2 is it's a puzzle much like most long visual novels. Take out pieces of the puzzle and it looks incomplete and messy. If they rewrite it, though I have faith it will be more enjoyable then the VN. I complained about this before but part of the problem with WA2 is the pacing is atrocious (except in IC). And therefore like you said, it becomes supremely boring. Since the anime will no doubt have to abridge things and write around things, I can see it being a lot more interesting all through-out. Hence why I kinda am excited for the anime adaption of whatever they do. It might not necessarily be accurate, but it's possible it'll be a better execution of the concept. It's not a direct sequel though... I wouldn't call it a sequel. Why not? That's exactly what it is. |
| Even though, I'm rooting for Kazusa, I didn't like the ending.It deserved much better .It's like those three never gonna be together.I wish they can.When I saw Setsuna's tears ,my heart couldn't accept Haruki and Kazusa's kiss in that time but also love it.I don't know my feelings anymore that would be called ''bittersweet'' feeling. ;.; The other point that I mention is music ; they were really good especially the music at the end of episode. I wished they make some OVA for Haruki and Kazusa ... |
LilyWeissJan 5, 2014 2:20 PM
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| Because they both discovered things about their feelings too late. Also because they are kids who can't really support themselves on their own. |
| I am shocked she did not get mad ,well Setsuna I was sad with this ending,plus even more sad they all had a bad ending Kazusa for leaving and betraying a friend Haruki for Kazusa leaving him Setsuna for having a one sided love and betrayal |
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TheNoodleburrito said: hyperknees91 said: Ummm what is there twitter or something and will they be using the Same characters.Thanks.Actually Satelight kinda confirmed there would be...subtly. They put sketches for season 2 up on their twitter. Same characters with new characters. He said that because a sketch of a CG from CC and Coda was posted on that twitter, so it's a big hint. |
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| It's not like it has to have sex to be good. It can all be implied (much like how NANA did things). plus the uwaki route is Kazusa's normal ending. But yeah to break it down. Setsuna's true end = most happy go lucky. Kazusa's true end= most over the top and dramatic Kazasa's normal end = most realistic Guess it just depends on preference. They'll probably give us Kazusa's true end because people love drama. |
| By the end I disliked Kazusa and I hated Haruki and I didn't until the later half of the series. I had this at a rare 10/10 anime until they started going with the cheating route. The story was all about love, music and friendship and it turned into one of betrayal and deceit. Setsuna was the only one that could hold her head up high and it was repulsive to watch the supposed friends of Setsuna kiss in front of her even though they were still dating... after Haruki left her by herself on her birthday and after fucking Kazusa while still together with Setsuna without having the balls to dump her beforehand, fucking pussy. It was just as disgusting to have Setsuna still clinging onto him as he watched his "love" fly away after all she had to endure in the latter part of this anime. SweetKotomi said: True friends don't betray each other. 8/10 would not watch again despite how good the soundtrack, animation and character design was. Disgusting end to a story that was otherwise endearing. I don't want a 2nd season because I hate all of the characters except Setsuna and when you hate main male lead in a romance anime it is game over because you don't want him to end up with anyone. I would watch it but only to hope that Kazusa's plane crashed, Setsuna ended up with someone she deserved and Haruki became a better person. I cannot stress enough how much I hated everything to do with the conclusion of this anime, starting with the shitty flashbacks of Kazusa's life that completely destroyed the momentum of the series. |
AnistylezJan 11, 2014 9:14 PM
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| Sex. Sex EVERYWHERE That was pretty much a bad end for everyone.... mixed feelings. Great OST and romance was err good I guess.... but.... kinda dissatisfied. At least it wasn't a School Days ending. ;-P |
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bunny_lover said: i can never understand why people hate melodrama so much. Well there's a difference between cheap melodrama and a genuine stir of emotion from the characters that came about naturally due to plot progession. For the most part IC was fine with this, but I think they made things a little overly dramatic with the ending and it seemed pretty silly at parts (this is especially true with later parts of the story where I found things to be downright absurd at times). Though melodrama can be used right as long as it fits the series tone. WA2 is rather mature so I expected a more mature way of handling things. |
hyperknees91Jan 12, 2014 12:01 PM
leemeru said: If you feel this way then they've successfully gotten their point through. Pushing the hate onto kazusa, blaming haruki for being heartless, and getting setsuna to be the victim (master manipulator imo). The point was to show a pretty realistic portrayal of actual human nature like, the heart wants what the heart wants (Can sub heart with male libido too). The way you expressed that hate for kazusa usually means big Setsuna shipper, but it's okay! Your ideal ending is far from ever being achieved since 1. not enough drama. 2.... not enough drama XD. You never know if in season two if they'll go with setsuna or kazusa, so maybe when it finally finishes you can wiki/go on forums and check who he ends up with then go watch it :D Yeah I have to admit I was really hoping for a Setsuna ending but I would have been fine with a Kazusa one as well if Haruki didn't cheat on Setsuna multiple times leading up to the end. It just showed that none of them valued their friendships or relationships except Setsuna because everything she did was by the book. Sure she knew that Kazusa liked him before but Haruki chose her instead of him because he was too much of a pussy to make the first move to begin with. Upon calming down a bit from watching the last few episodes I'm going to bump it up to a 9 because I've been having flashbacks of the awesome experience that I had with the most part of the series and I realise I shouldn't let me emotional response to the ending dictate the score. I will watch season 2 but I can never get over how sick I felt watching the way it played out in the last few episodes... I couldn't stomach how Kazusa and Haruki could do that to Setsuna and how she was shoved to the side of the storytelling while they undermined everything the series had been about until then. But honestly, I think the thing that disturbed me the most was the writers seemed to ruin all the characters by making Haruki and Kazusa hook up in front of Setsuna. What kind of self respecting person would A) Do that B) Remain friends with people that did that C) Remain romantically interested with someone that did that So I'm not too sure how realistic it is tbh. |
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