Director Miyazaki Hayao Announced Retirement From Feature Length Film Making

Sep 1, 2013 1:45 PM

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pillsbury15 said:
At what? His only good film is 5cm He can only pull off Sappy Dramas hes worthless at anything else did you not watch the horrible mess that was Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo.

I'm not saying ALL Shinkai's movies are masterpieces, but neither Miyazaki's ones are ALL masterpieces.

masserati94 said:

The fact that you think Shinkai's movies are better than Miyazaki's is one thing, that's your opinion and I'm not going to criticise you for it (even though I don't agree with it).

But I think what you're failing to see here is that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better, Miyazaki has contributed way more to the industry than Shinkai has; he was involved in the industry since Shinkai was a boy and has served as a pioneer for anime in general - I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole. Did you know that Shinkai's favorite film is actually Castle in the Sky? A film by Miyazaki (incidentally, the film you haven't seen). He's a huge follower of his works and the Miyazaki influence really shows in his films.

I'm not telling that Shinkai had contributed way more than Miyazaki, and thats not a reason for being "better" neither.

Another example would be Toriyama and his Dragon Ball, all influenced by Superman. If we follow this logic, if Superman wouldnt have existed, the Shounen as we know wouldnt exist neither?. Naruto, Bleach and One Piece?, so Superman is better for his incredible influence on Toriyama?. Everyone has been influenced by another, but everyone is different, Miyazaki is not better than Shinkai just for being his model.

We shouldnt praise a recenst project just for the influence of his previous works, not everything from Miyazaki is "gold".

Sep 1, 2013 1:54 PM

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Nooooooooo. I love his movies, they're just perfect. It's the end of all things. No more ingenious works. Nande? T_T

Sep 1, 2013 1:56 PM

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Nooooooooo. I love his movies, they're just perfect. It's the end of all things. No more ingenious works. Nande? T_T

He'll probably still consult, do shorts, OVAs, TV, etc.

Sep 1, 2013 1:57 PM

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nooooo ;________;

but srsly what a great man ;~;

Sep 1, 2013 1:57 PM

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Klonoa79H said:
Uh guys, remember that he said he would retire after Princess Mononoke... and Spirited Away... and Howl.... and Ponyo... and Wind Rises... okay, see a pattern here? He's retired at least 5 times, and the dude is 72, which is quite healthy, so I'm sure he'll pump out two more masterpieces before dropping of earth. Takahata on the other hand is 77, going on 78 this year, and his last film was My Neighbours, the Yamadas, which was 14 years ago, so I think Tale of Princess Kaguya is gonna be his Abbey Road. Plus, Miyazaki has said that Wind Rises isn't his last film, so theres hope for more.

A fairly popular reaction to this has been that we've heard this before, going at least as far back as when Miyazaki was making Princess Mononoke. My thing with that though is that while there's certainly precedent for Miyazaki changing his mind, AFAIR up until now talk of retirement has always come from Miyazaki talking freely himself. This time you've got the President of Studio Ghibli going out there and basically saying "he's done, folks" in front of press at what is apparently one of the biggest film festivals in the world. It seems to me that's significant, and frankly at 72 he's getting on in years and there's been talk about passing the torch to the next generation for a little while now. If not now, the time for that is very soon. I can believe we're truly at the end of an era here.

I'd note this doesn't mean he's going to stop working on animation though. The door is open for him working on smaller projects, and even if he's not creating movies on his own anymore I've seen nothing yet to suggest he may not still contribute as a screenwriter, storyboarder and so on. Even so, he'll be missed big time by me. But, honestly I'd rather see him step down and help the studio in a less active capacity than see him pass away in the midst of a project and see that potentially thrown into turmoil as a result. This strikes me as the smart move that needed to happen sooner or later. I really want Studio Ghibli to carry on beyond the careers of its founders.

Sep 1, 2013 1:57 PM

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Glad to see his tree-hugging and hugely feminist agenda pushing habit will stop poisoning Ghibli. I'm not trying to be edgy, he's an openly hardcore feminist and it's impossible not to see that in every film he's worked on once you know that. It overshadows the characters, plot, and charm entirely - which sucks because Ghibli can do a lot better and has every time he's not involved.

Sep 1, 2013 2:10 PM

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Aww and I was just getting more into his movies too. Oh well everyone has to retire at some point.

Sep 1, 2013 2:24 PM

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A legend in the anime industry gone, good luck in the future! =(

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Sep 1, 2013 2:37 PM

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Now I'm glad I still haven't watched Borrowers Arriety :(

I probably regret this post by now.

Sep 1, 2013 2:42 PM

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Firstly, I'm putting a spoiler around your post for length, no need to force other users to scroll through all of this after all - if you're going to reply, then I'd greatly appreciate if you do this too, thanks.

I never said that contributing more makes him better, and I never said that serving as his inspiration makes him better either, please don't put words into my mouth - my point was that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better than Miyazaki, Miyazaki's influence and dedication to the industry is so vast that him retiring is a huge thing, it's the end of an era, and it's going to send shockwaves through the animation industry as a whole for a while whilst Ghibli gets itself sorted out.

Regretfully, I neglected to put in my original post that this shouldn't turn into a "Who's better, Miyazaki or Shinkai?" thread (something I thought I did put in), and that we should just really have some respect that he's retiring from the feature film industry - looking at it, my post probably came across as overly hostile and a "I'll defend Miyazaki to the death!" post, which wasn't my original intention.

As for your other point, I can't necessarily your comparison is valid seeing as Dragonball definitely seems like the kind of thing that would be created regardless (and by that, I mean something hugely influential that pretty much defines how modern Shounen turn out), but I do understand what you're saying - but, as I mentioned before, I never said that serving as an inspiration makes something automatically better.

I also never said that we should praise a recent project just due to the influence of previous works, I'm not quite sure how that was implied.

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Sep 1, 2013 3:35 PM

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2013 is a sad year for the anime industry....

Not only did many popular and favourite anime and manga end, but we also lose one of the most well know directors of this time :(

Miyazaki Hayao, enjoy (finally!) your retirement~

Sep 1, 2013 3:46 PM

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Have a great retirement, thanks for everything

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TallonKarrde23 said:
Glad to see his tree-hugging and hugely feminist agenda pushing habit will stop poisoning Ghibli. I'm not trying to be edgy, he's an openly hardcore feminist and it's impossible not to see that in every film he's worked on once you know that. It overshadows the characters, plot, and charm entirely - which sucks because Ghibli can do a lot better and has every time he's not involved.

I'll have to disagree bigtime with you here, yes his beliefs are very noticeable but to the extent where it makes the famale characters strong and independent, as for the tree hugger in him, thats only truly present in nausica and mononoke, miyazaki is a romantic and all of his films contain romanticsm as well as personification of the environment. Neither of these overshadow the plots and if anything they make them better cause since when has having strong female leads and worlds with personality been a bad thing in story telling. Your actually missing the big message thats in almost every single film hes made, and thats the anti-war messages, specifically on how our reliance on technology is leading to unnecessary and devastating conflicts. Those are way more present than any of the things you have mentioned. And again thats a good message to portray because its correct and the things he was writing about with future boy conan back in 1978 is still relevant with todays society 30+ years later.

Plus it seems while you focus so much on those aspects that your neglecting the things thats made him as beloved as he is, The imagination and magic in all the worlds hes helped create, the sense of adventure his films and television shows portray as well as his ability to tap into our inner innocence of us all no matter the age to give us the feeling of being a kid again learning about the world around us. I wont try to defend that each film hes made is some set in stone masterpiece that you have to agree with but why your saying these films dont reach that is invalid and misconstrued.

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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 1, 2013 4:06 PM

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Ok, i though your goal was deffending Miyazaki from "my attacks". if your post isnt a "I'll defend Miyazaki to the death!", then what is it? i havent offended Miyazaki, i havent said that Miyazaki's works are a faillure and he's doing fine by retiring, and i'm not denying that Miyazaki was a pioneer of Anime industry. I was just pointing out that i like more Shinkai's works than Miyazaki's, since in Japan is pretty common to compare thiese two directors, they goes so far by saying that Shinkai is the new Miyazaki. A mere and personal opinion.

masserati94 said:
..I never said that contributing more makes him better, and I never said that serving as his inspiration makes him better either please don't put words into my mouth ..

I'm not putting words into your mouth, tell me how i should interprete this?

masserati94 said:
I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole

Arent you saying if it wasnt for Miyazaki, Makoto Shinkai would have never existed?, how are you so sure about that?, It sounds like you're placing Miyazaki some steps up to Shinkai. Sorry but by what you wrote, i understand it like that.

masserati94 said:
As for your other point, I can't necessarily your comparison is valid seeing as Dragonball definitely seems like the kind of thing that would be created regardless

You were pointing that if it wasnt for Miyazaki, then Shinkai's works wouldnt have come to realize, right?. Oda and Kishimoto were heavily influenced by Toriyama, then it wouldnt normal following your logic, that Naruto and One Piece wouldnt even exist?, as well if Superman didnt exist, DB didnt?.

masserati94 said:
I also never said that we should praise a recent project just due to the influence of previous works, I'm not quite sure how that was implied.

I know, i was just pointing out the importance of being objective about the quality of the movie and not being influenced by the director/creator, in this case, Miyazaki himself. It wasnt refering to you specifically. Just a personal opinion.

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masserati94 said:
But I think what you're failing to see here is that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better, Miyazaki has contributed way more to the industry than Shinkai has; he was involved in the industry since Shinkai was a boy and has served as a pioneer for anime in general - I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole. Did you know that Shinkai's favorite film is actually Castle in the Sky? A film by Miyazaki (incidentally, the film you haven't seen). He's a huge follower of his works and the Miyazaki influence really shows in his films.

Just because Shinkai's favorite film is Castle in the Sky is hardly grounds to make the outlandish claim that Shinkai movies wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Miyazaki.

Shinkai's style is very much his own, except in Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo, which is obviously very Ghibli-inspired. Other than that movie though, any possible Miyazaki influence doesn't really make itself apparent in any manner.

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Sep 1, 2013 4:19 PM

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Well this is kind of disappointing.
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Oh well.

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Sep 1, 2013 4:29 PM

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Thank you Mr Miyazaki for all your hard work. :)

Sep 1, 2013 4:34 PM

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Good. He's in his 70s, he's done a lot of great work, and now it's time for him to go. He can't work forever.

Sep 1, 2013 4:39 PM

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DraconisMarch said:

masserati94 said:
But I think what you're failing to see here is that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better, Miyazaki has contributed way more to the industry than Shinkai has; he was involved in the industry since Shinkai was a boy and has served as a pioneer for anime in general - I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole. Did you know that Shinkai's favorite film is actually Castle in the Sky? A film by Miyazaki (incidentally, the film you haven't seen). He's a huge follower of his works and the Miyazaki influence really shows in his films.

Just because Shinkai's favorite film is Castle in the Sky is hardly grounds to make the outlandish claim that Shinkai movies wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Miyazaki.

Shinkai's style is very much his own, except in Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo, which is obviously very Ghibli-inspired. Other than that movie though, any possible Miyazaki influence doesn't really make itself apparent in any manner.

I wasn't making the claim purely based on Castle in the Sky being his favorite film - I was using it to refer to how it's films such as that that play a role in influencing his style, perhaps the claim that none of Shinkai's films would exist is too outlandish, but the point that I was trying to make was that, without Miyazaki, it's unlikely that Shinkai would have made the films he has made.

Sep 1, 2013 4:41 PM

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So sad when I read it.

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Sep 1, 2013 4:41 PM

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Your post is great and all, but it's too clear to me that Tallon made some classy bait. I mean, his last phrase is contradicted by his own list.

@Bakura

I'm not trying to push my love of Miyazaki's works into your throat, but please and kindly stop acting like a hater when, by mere statistics, you are not. It's not a big deal to dislike Howl or Nausicaa; sure, they are highly regarded, but they also have their fair share of criticism among Ghibli and Miyazaki fans. You barely scratched the surface on what this guy has brought to anime, so what is the point you want to make?

@Thread

Well. I am kind of lost for words because these news remind me of how I started watching anime. Miyazaki was the first director I favorited and respected and four years later still, his works have left a huge impact on me and shaped my taste, and every time I watch a single scene, I feel once again warm inside.

Corny talk aside (sorry guys). I don't know if this one will be the definitive, but I have a feeling it is, if only due to everything that has been happening around The wind rises; along with the whole talk about replacement in Ghibli, the timing couldn't be more fitting. It's his decision and while I regret not being able to watch more films directed by him (still hope he'll work in production or doing other things), it's only understandable that a 72-year-old doesn't feel the energy and the interest to go on with this for longer.

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Sep 1, 2013 4:43 PM

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D':

Sep 1, 2013 4:49 PM

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masserati94 said:
without Miyazaki, it's unlikely that Shinkai would have made the films he has made.

...Why not?

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jal90 said:
@DjIzzyIzzyHitler
Your post is great and all, but it's too clear to me that Tallon made some classy bait. I mean, his last phrase is contradicted by his own list.

I wouldnt be surprised if it was either, Though from what iv seen of the guys views is that he channels a bit of a inner hipster in him most of the time so im more for hes being somewhat legit in saying what he did. Hence why i replied

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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 1, 2013 4:55 PM

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T.T I'll miss him and his works.

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@Bakura

I'm not trying to push my love of Miyazaki's works into your throat, but please and kindly stop acting like a hater when, by mere statistics, you are not. It's not a big deal to dislike Howl or Nausicaa; sure, they are highly regarded, but they also have their fair share of criticism among Ghibli and Miyazaki fans. You barely scratched the surface on what this guy has brought to anime, so what is the point you want to make?

Ok, now we have another..

Stop acting like a hater?, listen carefully, i'm not bragging the fact i disliked Howl and Nausicaa and i dont know how you jumped into that conclusion.
My first post in this thread was:

Bakura said:
The only movie i really liked from Miyazaki was Sen to Chihiro, the others i find them boring.

Makoto Shinkai is better, IMO.

Where is the such acting like a hater that you kindly ask to to stop?. Its better for you if you could interpret better the post of another members and dont easily jump into your fantastically conclusion.

The point i want to make?, this wasnt a discussion i had with you but with masserati94. The point is Miyazaki isnt the "creator" of Makoto Shinkai.

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Bakura said:

The point i want to make?, this wasnt a discussion i had with you but with masserati94. The point is Miyazaki isnt the "creator" of Makoto Shinkai.

Can you give me like, 10-15 minutes to get back to you on your post? Trying to deal with multiple conversations at once is pretty hard to manage.

Sep 1, 2013 5:11 PM

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Yep sure.

Sep 1, 2013 5:12 PM

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You shall be missed. :(

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Sorry Bakura; that was definitely my bad. Since my initial focus for the post was different. I made a fast scroll through the thread, and mistook your posts for haterade arguments. Which looked in that sense a little inconsistant regarding your experience with Miyazaki. I wasn't meant to look pissed though, just pointing a disagreement which I guess came more aggresive as I didn't have a clear reason to do so.

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DraconisMarch said:

masserati94 said:
without Miyazaki, it's unlikely that Shinkai would have made the films he has made.

...Why not?

Well, funnily enough, Shinkai actually stated in an interview with regards to Children who Chase Lost Voices that, as far as influences from anime go, Ghibli and Castle in the Sky in particular are where he draws inspiration from - at least as far as animation goes anyway, so if the man himself is saying that he draws inspiration from Miyazaki and Ghibli, then he probably is.

Here's the interview by the way, just in case you wanted a source: http://anime.about.com/od/creators/a/Makoto-Shinkai-Otakon-2011-Press-Panel.htm

Sep 1, 2013 5:31 PM

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Its ok dude, it happens between so many posts.

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741shadow said:
Was it because of the controversies around Kaze Tenchu

You mean the controversy of it showing smoking in the movie? Oh yes, this is actually the biggest controversy of the film in Japan LOL

If that's what you say... you are quite ignorant. Because I personally think Kaze Tenchinu just showed huge limitition of Miyazaki Hayao, not being able to escape from stereotypical view of Japanese seeing war. Edited: Controversy coming from the series is not just a single fact it is 'Zero-sen' that is featured as something that protagonist pursuits and dreams, which was nothing more than a tool of inhuman war of Japan.

I think vision he had when he was making Mononoke-hime and Nausica has hazed significantly in this film regardless. I think it is time for him to retire. Have to let him go when he was supposed to retire even long time ago. Unfortunate incident with death of his successor caused him to stay until now.

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Sep 1, 2013 6:27 PM

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It's really sad to know a great story-teller of our time is bowing out, but he had a very good run and probably lives comfortably. He deserves to retire, even though we are going to miss him very much. I still see Studio Ghibli coming out with good films, though, so we'll see what happens in the near future.

Either way, thanks so much for giving us these inspiring, beautiful stories, Mr. Miyazaki. You shall be missed, but your legacy will not be forgotten.

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Bakura said: