Would you like such a system in place?
Yes
15.8%
27
No
84.2%
144
171 votes
Baman said: Sohei said: The opposite of a liberal state is an authoritarian state. The opposite of a conservative state is a technocratic state. A technocracy is more about the ones in control being scientists or technical experts chosen because of their knowledge, so it does not necessarily need to be the opposite of conservatism. Even though much focus is laid on technical progress, a technocratic govrenment may still very well be conservative. I saw it from this viewpoint. AA conservative state would like things to stay in status-quo, or go back to prior times while a technocracy is a forward looking nation. Of course conservatism as an ideological doctrine has nothing to do with technology, but i was refering simply to the difference between a nation looking forward and a nation looking backwards, due to the lack of a better example. |
Sohei said: I saw it from this viewpoint. AA conservative state would like things to stay in status-quo, or go back to prior times while a technocracy is a forward looking nation. Of course conservatism as an ideological doctrine has nothing to do with technology, but i was refering simply to the difference between a nation looking forward and a nation looking backwards, due to the lack of a better example. Understood. Kira01 said: Do you know that it would actually be quite painful to have a GPS device stuck into you. Surgical procedures, perhaps? Thus, to answer your question: NO!!! If this ever happens in the future, chances are the device will be a cellular-level nano device of sorts. Which means no pain at all. Also, any alien species sophisticated enough to travel through space only to experiment with us sad monkeys would surely have nanotech too, if not pico, femto atto or the like, and would probably not need to install crude pieces of metal under our skin. |
sniW said: What would prevent people from being able to remove/disable these GPS-like devices? ..legalities..? i wouldn't like to have one in the first place. |
| Honestly, the concept of the government knowing my exact location at any moment is very unnerving. Sure there's benefits of convenience, but (Living in America) to do this is pretty much destroying one of our civil liberties, the right of privacy. And I can't trust the government at all with this kind of power over it's people. Call me whatever you want, but I really don't want a "Big Brother" watching my every move. |
| What isn't red? What isn't blue? |
| you guys really think you have privacy, geez every single info about us are known to those people who work in the intelligence business. as far as i know this just makes the cops jobs a bit easier. i don't mind. why should i? i don't do illegal shit. now the biggest downside i foresee is that it will cause massive paranoia.... -that's all- |
| Nope. Even if it didn't actually make a difference, simply on principal, I would not give someone else more power over myself, no matter what situation arose. I'm not worried about getting kidnapped and tortured, though. Not that the government could save me if that was the case, anyway. Despite what some people seem to think, the government is not god, and laws are not really "laws" as much as they are promises of retribution if you do things they don't like. |
Plate said: Chavez said: Plate said: Uh, I don't think I can be more against this. Your pros and cons are a little biased, by the way. At least provide some details on why you're against it. 1. It's a matter of privacy and freedom of movement. 2. I's not like you can trust every single person who would have access to that information, the government cannot even secure polling places or run traffic properly. 3. It's a waste of money. 4. If there came a time when a certain group of people needed to be wiped out, maybe Catholics or something, who knows- they'll be able to find every one of them. No hiding in the attic for America's Anne Frank! I couldn't possibly agree more. If the 'government' someday thrusts this upon us, I will refuse. I like nothing about the idea. |
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| No thanks. I'm paranoid enough without having something like that on me. |
| i dont fucking trust a car GPS as it is. why would i was one inside me? and i am the same as above |
| Fuck no. If the US tried this shit, I would leave so fast. |
| I'm back. |
| what if they implant it on babies and they wouldn't know about it. that would be some freaky sci-fi shit. |
Frito said: what if they implant it on babies and they wouldn't know about it. that would be some freaky sci-fi shit. Yea, and they will implement bombs in babies so they don't know either, and once everyone is old and stuff, the government will detonate all citizens of America. |
Chavez said: Frito said: what if they implant it on babies and they wouldn't know about it. that would be some freaky sci-fi shit. Yea, and they will implement bombs in babies so they don't know either, and once everyone is old and stuff, the government will detonate all citizens of America. lawl. sarcasm win. |
| Hell no. I want my private life with no one "unknown" watches (but it's more of stalking ^^) everything I do. Besides, our country doesn't have the funds to implement such as this. There are more aspects to be improved before we can move to something as big as this. |
| If you voted no, hopefully you're behind 20 proxies, have a dynamic ip, and use a non-traceable/throw-away cell-phone. |
moush said: If you voted no, hopefully you're behind 20 proxies, have a dynamic ip, and use a non-traceable/throw-away cell-phone. Theres an obvious difference. You don't have to go online, meaning you can't be traced. With a chip the police will know where you are 24/7. |
| I disapprove of this. it would make me extra paranoid. Although it would solve a lot of problems, so i think it should be forced on everyone. It would make it impossible to make war on each other. Also it should be controlled for only the reasons mentioned, if stalkers were super hackers or something then it would make a turn for the worse....hmmmm.... |
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Sohei said: Theres an obvious difference. You don't have to go online, meaning you can't be traced. With a chip the police will know where you are 24/7. Only when they care enough to check. |
moush said: Sohei said: Theres an obvious difference. You don't have to go online, meaning you can't be traced. With a chip the police will know where you are 24/7. Only when they care enough to check. Which is what i'm saying. They can check whenever they want, it is not up to you. with the internet and mobile phones, you can opt not to use them. With a chip you can't. |
| I agree, you do not know what people can do once they have the power to do so, in my opinion. |
| yeah..N+O the govt has enough of my life [ that isnt needed] they dont need something in our bodies so they can constantly stalk its citzens. its crazy..and u knwo its wouldnt be used for all the "good qualities" u stated. I dont need the govt to know everytime i have to take a poop |
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| A government exists to preserve the freedom of their citizens, not to take it away. |
| The only problem I have with such a device is that if the government ever went astray and the requirements that call for a revolution are met, how would you be able to revolt when the government holds such a power? Though, if this device were to be voted in through the correct channels, then I guess you would lose a huge requirement for revolution. Seeing as to how the people would have agreed and all. Sohei said: A government exists to preserve the freedom of their citizens, not to take it away. It's up to the citizens to chose the ratio of freedom and security in which they want. The government follows along. Generally speaking, of course. |
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Vagabond said: It's up to the citizens to chose the ratio of freedom and security in which they want. The government follows along. Generally speaking, of course. The citizens aren't worthy of that task, which is why we have governments. but that is unrelated to this topic. |
Tachii said: I agree, you do not know what people can do once they have the power to do so, in my opinion. yeah it's really bad, a few cops will be monitoring the location of hundreds of millions of people they know nothing about, for no purpose at all, because they have nothing better to do than track random people on a map. |
Sohei said: Which is what i'm saying. They can check whenever they want, it is not up to you. with the internet and mobile phones, you can opt not to use them. With a chip you can't. My point was, if you live in America, they can legally do what this thread talks about. If you really believe that you can hide yourself, I'm sorry. |
| That would maybe sound strange, but I would vote for yes. I can't stand seeing kidnapping or such in the news. Everytime I see someone got beaten, someone got stolen, someone got killed, someone got raped, someone got kidnapped, everytime is raise up my urge to have something EFFICIENT against those people who thinks of themselves greater than the laws. That would be the most useful thing about it. There couldn't be anymore mistakes about the age of someone for buying cigarettes or alcohols... or even to enter in a bar. Also, prisonners would be tracked if they escape, which would be a plus in my opinion. In fact, there wouldn't be anymore evasions, and probably less violent actions (rape/kidnapping/etc.). Of course you would lose a little freedom, but what are you guys afraid of? It's not like they are "seeing" you in real. Of course, if they (be any chance) observe your movements or such, it's not like you stole something or such... They would just see a dot on a map with all your informations... it's not like they know what you are watching (for example). I think there are more positive points than negative. If the people was free to choose, I would do it. |
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Kotori said: Hey, it's not that uncommon to have corrupted cops these days. Unless you had direct contacts with them, they are usually on the down-low of the media. Maybe the amount is less, and the positive outweighs the negative here, but there are still negatives to be kept in mind with.yeah it's really bad, a few cops will be monitoring the location of hundreds of millions of people they know nothing about, for no purpose at all, because they have nothing better to do than track random people on a map. And still, I think I wrote earlier in this thread, if this do get implanted, there will either be ways to get rid of it, or for others to use to their own advantage. Would it stop murder, rape, and all the horrible things mankind could do? No, it might potentially lessen it, but after these guys got around it, found some way to manipulate it (which is in human nature to do so, not all criminals are brainless idiots), things will go back the way it was before. Seems to me over the earlier century, technology might have cured some of the diseases of the past, while increased the potential of destruction in the hand of human beings. So, let's say this do get implanted. The world of criminals would certainly be shocked, but after that 10 minutes, they would say, gee, let's just manipulate and hack this technology. Then what would the government do? Keep it on the down-low and scare those brainless criminals while the big bad tougher guys now might have even more advantage than they already have? Actually, let's not hypothesize what these people could do. I or you certainly can't speak for them if we haven't been part of them. But I guess that's just human nature, too, to always speak like we know what we are talking about. |
TachiiJan 14, 2009 7:02 PM
| This is one of many reasons that makes me feel that someone is watching me... |
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moush said: Sohei said: Which is what i'm saying. They can check whenever they want, it is not up to you. with the internet and mobile phones, you can opt not to use them. With a chip you can't. My point was, if you live in America, they can legally do what this thread talks about. If you really believe that you can hide yourself, I'm sorry. But that doesn't make it any better if this system was implemented. legally, yes a government could trace you with judicial permission, although the secret services probably do it without. And yes, you can hide yourself quite easily. Fake passport, pay in cash, it doesn't happen just in movies. And the government keeps files on all of us, whatever we like it or not, so why allow them to track us to boot? |
| Humans are beasts, aren't they? |
| Its a simple no, no for me. I know that privacy is not that of a big issue especially after legislations like Patriot Act and Anti-Terrorsim Act but having a GPS installed in your brain is just going too far. But this can be applied to habitual offenders. They deserve it:/ |
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny- Lao-Tze. |
| I am not an item. |
| fuck no. if they do this there gonna find more bombs...like everywhere. the more you try to rstrict somones freedom the more you make them more willing to do anything. this is the excuse they have been looking for. if this happens it will be all out war. |
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| Fuck no. That would be absolute bullshit. |
| As long as that don't get in my thoughts and don't walk in on my fapping then i don't really mind. |
burntlettuce said: But you might be fapping to CP. Or you might be thinking of some little loli while fapping, which is clearly disgusting and morally wrong, so you shouldn't feel too safe.As long as that don't get in my thoughts and don't walk in on my fapping then i don't really mind. |
Baman said: burntlettuce said: But you might be fapping to CP. Or you might be thinking of some little loli while fapping, which is clearly disgusting and morally wrong, so you shouldn't feel too safe.As long as that don't get in my thoughts and don't walk in on my fapping then i don't really mind. Well to be honest i am not to worried about that ^_^ |
| Who cares; it's going to happen eventually. If anything, I think it should only be applied to those that have commited crimes already, not every person in the world. |
| Nah, those who've commited serious crimes should be killed. Locator thing should be used on everyone. |
KotoriSep 1, 2009 11:03 AM
| We lack a a lot of privacy as it is. Pin-pointing our location doesn't make too much of a difference. |
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Kotori said: Nah, those who've commited serious crimes should be killed. Locator thing should be used on everyone. GPS locator is bullshit so it shouldn't be used on anyone. |
Kotori said: What do you think? Not only no but hell no. I do not care about the benefits,just like a lot of other things someone will find a way around the system and the only people who get screwed are those who obey the law. Its none of the government's business where and when I go somewhere. The government has no business trampling over any consitutional rights and the idea that I should have to give up my rights to fight or prevent crime is an absurd argument. |
ezikialrage said: Kotori said: What do you think? Not only no but hell no. I do not care about the benefits,just like a lot of other things someone will find a way around the system and the only people who get screwed are those who obey the law. Its none of the government's business where and when I go somewhere. The government has no business trampling over any consitutional rights and the idea that I should have to give up my rights to fight or prevent crime is an absurd argument. If you think like that, you should give up on using internet, phone calls, cellphone, credit cards.. all you do on the net is logged for a few years and your location can be found by cellphone signals. By accepting the convenience and commodities of modern life, you are also giving away your so-called freedom. You can go live in a cave otherwise. |
KotoriSep 1, 2009 12:09 PM
| I say NO to spying implants. Only uses of this technology I approve are:
In a free country people should have at least a little chance to become a terrorist, overthrow the government and start a revolution. If they are observed 24/7 with huge precision, then "1984"'s society has more freedom. Imagine communists in 1980s or nazis in 1940s having this kind of technology... Or Chinese today... What next, mind-reading implants to prevent crimethinks, ergh, I mean thoughtcrimes? |
| No. I reserve my right to break the law, and the second people start trying to take that right away is the second I'm gonna start exercising it. |
| This is a serious post. You're not allowed to delete it. |
| I don't see the big deal of people knowing were you are. Like is it really inconvenient for people to know you are at the grocery store or in your room. |
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