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katsucats said: When you see people spraying down mosquitoes to prevent West Nile disease and malaria, you scream, "Damn rascists!!! How dare they justify genocide just because they're animals!" Are mosquitoes sentient beings? No, they aren't. The Hideauze are, apparently, as sentient as humans. In fact, they are evolved humans. If I went around slaughtering black people because they look different than me and I find them to be disgusting, I would be called a racist and I would be committing genocide. |
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Fai said: LOLwhut? Now I know to brace myself for any show that has "Gen Urobuchi" mentioned somewhere.Darklight0303 said: Edefrem said: Don't worry they said... This will be a healing anime they said... The man said the same about Madoka. We know how that turned out now don't we? And about Saya no Uta. And Fate Zero was supposedly his try to "break away from depression"(over this though he had an emotional breakdown down the line when he realized that he psychologically lost the ability to write anything happy). |
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StopDropAndBowl said: katsucats said: When you see people spraying down mosquitoes to prevent West Nile disease and malaria, you scream, "Damn rascists!!! How dare they justify genocide just because they're animals!" Are mosquitoes sentient beings? No, they aren't. The Hideauze are, apparently, as sentient as humans. In fact, they are evolved humans. If I went around slaughtering black people because they look different than me and I find them to be disgusting, I would be called a racist and I would be committing genocide. They're not anymore. They don't talk. They bite and eat. They stopped being human ages ago. |
| Scuffykiwi you seem knowledgeable enough, mind answering my question from earlier? It's about halfway through the last page. Also: Lol at StopDropandBowl for inadvertently admitting that he wants to genocide black people but can't because of negative social stigmas. First-world problems. |
StickyWizardJun 3, 2013 10:08 PM
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StopDropAndBowl said: First, as another user mentioned, the Hideauze aren't any more sentient than fish from what we can tell. Second, it doesn't matter if they are sentient, they are hostile. If all black people unanimously attacked anything in sight, then you would be justified in annihilating them at the roots. Unfortunately your analogy doesn't really work, does it?katsucats said: Are mosquitoes sentient beings? No, they aren't.When you see people spraying down mosquitoes to prevent West Nile disease and malaria, you scream, "Damn rascists!!! How dare they justify genocide just because they're animals!" The Hideauze are, apparently, as sentient as humans. In fact, they are evolved humans. If I went around slaughtering black people because they look different than me and I find them to be disgusting, I would be called a racist and I would be committing genocide. More immediately, and on a higher order, what is the relevance of sentience, exactly? The definition of sentience notwithstanding, does it somehow fit into your world view that annihilation of a non-sentient species is justifiable, but annihilation of a sentient species become racist? So where is this cut off point in intelligence between where you can just kill a being without batting an eyelash, and where killing one makes you a murderer? Magpies and dolphins are self-aware, does killing one make you a murderer? I charge that your moral prescriptions aren't very consistent, and that you really just have no clue what racism even is. It makes no difference whether Hideauze are evolved human beings or evolved mosquitoes. As long as we accept the narrative that they are a threat to the human race, then that is all the justification a human being needs to eliminate them. By the way: OMG Killer squid is actually a human child!!1111 Cheap manipulation. It's like expecting us to get shocked at the sight of a starving African child. It seems like this is working for a lot of you... but hey, different strokes for different folks... |
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Pusswookie said: Scuffykiwi you seem knowledgeable enough, mind answering my question from earlier? It's about halfway through the last page. Also: Lol at StopDropandBowl for inadvertently admitting that he wants to genocide black people but can't because of negative social stigmas. First-world problems. Is it the question about appearing to have different forms? Well there is an answer to that. The development on an embryo depends ALOT on the conditions within the womb, hence the health conditions that can appear due to abuse during pregnancy. Also by switching on and off just a few genes during development you can DRAMATICALLY change the final form. For instance, it only takes a knockout of one gene in fruit flys to make legs grow out where their wings are. My guess is that if you wanted to do this to the human population there would be 2 steps. First applying symbiosis with the squid form on adults which could be reversable, then secondly using changes during embryo development for a more dramatic and permanent effect. |
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| what a twist. hideauze was human. oh ledo, your whole life is a lie chamber said they can't go back to galactic alliance. so what will ledo do next? |
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scruffykiwi said: Pusswookie said: Scuffykiwi you seem knowledgeable enough, mind answering my question from earlier? It's about halfway through the last page. Also: Lol at StopDropandBowl for inadvertently admitting that he wants to genocide black people but can't because of negative social stigmas. First-world problems. Is it the question about appearing to have different forms? Well there is an answer to that. The development on an embryo depends ALOT on the conditions within the womb, hence the health conditions that can appear due to abuse during pregnancy. Also by switching on and off just a few genes during development you can DRAMATICALLY change the final form. For instance, it only takes a knockout of one gene in fruit flys to make legs grow out where their wings are. My guess is that if you wanted to do this to the human population there would be 2 steps. First applying symbiosis with the squid form on adults which could be reversable, then secondly using changes during embryo development for a more dramatic and permanent effect. Though that didn't really answer my question(s), it was along the same vein, so I'll just ask you to elaborate. Are you saying that the cute one is an abnormality and might be the result of it's cephaloparents dropping acid during the pregnancy or spousal abuse? I doubt that's true, because it seems like they all start out looking vaguely human, and then gradually(?) turn in to rave party monsters. What I'm asking is, how in the growth process do they get from the humanoid kawaii squid to Mama mollusk with the Sarlacc mouth? Do they just accrue more and more squid parts [as they mature] until they no longer look human, but in fact it's just an organic shell that's genetically melded to the wearer? Actually, let me try and word this in a less confusing way: is there the semblance of a human at the center of every hideauze, encased in and melded to squid flesh, or have they done away with human similarities almost altogether and are now an entirely separate life form? Probably the latter, though that still doesn't explain how they make such a drastic metamorphosis from humanoid child to Obviously a Squid and Nothing Else adults. Speaking of, weren't they originally meant to be able to shed their cephalopodic exterior post space flight, or was the complete lack of opposable thumbs and other such nifty bits a design oversight? |
StickyWizardJun 4, 2013 12:17 AM
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Gan_HOPE326 said: For all the people who says "it isn't scientifically plausible". It seems to me the anime lays down the explanation in a pretty simple way: 1. Evolvers create symbiont squid-like creatures 2. Evolvers modify the human genome so that it can become more compatible with the metabolism/life cycle of the symbionts 3. Evolvers strive at creating 'a new organism' which actually the merging of the two symbiotic organisms - the human and the squid-like thingy. Such a symbiosis could be automatically triggered at birth, or even exist before that. For anyone who thinks this to be outlandish - we already live all our life long in symbiosis with organisms that we depend upon for our survival, those would be the bacteria in our bowels. Also, there are things called "mitocondria" that now exist in every cell of almost every living organism that I know of, and that are strongly suspected to have once been independent organisms (most likely bacteria themselves) which started living in symbiosis with other cells and ended up being absorbed and integrated in their own life cycle. The more you know. And most importantly: 4. Evolvers call themselves like this because they appeal to the 'concept' of evolution, not the actual Darwinian natural selection process. They think that they have to 'imitate' and improve nature's evolutionary process in order to survive - sort of like an airplane can draw inspiration from a bird, but is not quite the same thing. Said this, I don't think Gargantia has done a bad job with this plot twist, considering that it's somewhere in between "soft" and "hard" science fiction. It's nothing less plausible than wormholes - for those who don't know their physics, functioning wormholes are impossible too at the current state of our knowledge, since they would collapse as soon as something having mass tries to pass through them. And I'm talking about ABSOLUTE THEORETICAL IMPOSSIBILITY here. The only way to stabilize them would be with (for now assumed non-existent) exotic (negative mass) matter, and if we had that, we'd have also the Alcubierre drive for FTL travel. Said this, I am ok with these limitations. This isn't freaking Planetes (which was as realistic as it gets), it's a show with a mecha. The very idea that the most functional form for space combat could be the humanoid one is the most ludicrous of the bunch. Suspension of disbelief isn't broken by this kind of things for me. One more thing. You should tailor your expectations of realism to the setting. I am a Physics PhD and I had no problem with QB's thermodynamics as they appeared in a series which had the word 'magic' twice in the freaking title alone. Suisei no Gargantia is clearly a not especially hard sci-fi series. Gradual human genetic modification is plausible in this context. I'd have been enraged if they had come up with a potion that upon being drank turned a human into a Hideauze in the space of a few seconds. Or, you know, (Attack on Titan latest episode) Except you're wrong about that. Just wait until Hanji starts explaining about Titans. The fact that they evaporate and so does their blood is already a huge clue to the nature of their mass and overall physiology. |
Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: katsucats said: When you see people spraying down mosquitoes to prevent West Nile disease and malaria, you scream, "Damn rascists!!! How dare they justify genocide just because they're animals!" Are mosquitoes sentient beings? No, they aren't. The Hideauze are, apparently, as sentient as humans. In fact, they are evolved humans. If I went around slaughtering black people because they look different than me and I find them to be disgusting, I would be called a racist and I would be committing genocide. They're not anymore. They don't talk. They bite and eat. They stopped being human ages ago. That's an assumption you don't know to be true. I am pretty sure no one in alliance would ever try to talk to them and they might not need external communication to communicate with each other. Not to mention that EVEN IF the present hideauze would be non-sentient, what was done would still be genocide since it started when they were sentient. . |
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| Damn it, I must get that OST when it gets released. It has some really awesome tracks and it reminds me of Freelancer somehow. When Ledo faced the Squid mother I really felt I felt nostalgic somehow. I need to install Freelancer again, lol. |
Pusswookie said: Also: Lol at StopDropandBowl for inadvertently admitting that he wants to genocide black people but can't because of negative social stigmas. First-world problems. lolwut? |
StopDropAndBowlJun 4, 2013 2:21 AM
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AlexGK said: Damn it, I must get that OST when it gets released. It has some really awesome tracks and it reminds me of Freelancer somehow. When Ledo faced the Squid mother I really felt I felt nostalgic somehow. I need to install Freelancer again, lol. Freelancer was the last really good and truly open world space sim. It's why people even to this day still make mods for it. |
Fai said: Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: katsucats said: When you see people spraying down mosquitoes to prevent West Nile disease and malaria, you scream, "Damn rascists!!! How dare they justify genocide just because they're animals!" Are mosquitoes sentient beings? No, they aren't. The Hideauze are, apparently, as sentient as humans. In fact, they are evolved humans. If I went around slaughtering black people because they look different than me and I find them to be disgusting, I would be called a racist and I would be committing genocide. They're not anymore. They don't talk. They bite and eat. They stopped being human ages ago. That's an assumption you don't know to be true. I am pretty sure no one in alliance would ever try to talk to them and they might not need external communication to communicate with each other. Not to mention that EVEN IF the present hideauze would be non-sentient, what was done would still be genocide since it started when they were sentient. . And since then the Hideauze have started being the dominant force with CU unable to do a damn thing to stop their expansion. Hideauze are no poor abused victims just as much as the CU aren't. They were adapted to live in space. They didn't HAVE to steal from the CU. They with their precious new race could have colonized any other planet in the solar system but instead they got all "OH NO YOU DON'T" at the CU and wanted to steal it. When it comes to space survival the Hideauze had it best and the most options. CU was gonna leave and never come back hence why destroy the gate. You're telling me those amazing geniuses wouldn't be able to use the pieces of the destroyed gate to make their own eventually? No they wanted the easy way out and after that they continued to hunt the CU instead of going into teritory where the CU didn't go to. There is no Coexistance in the vocabulary of Hideauze either. Stop trying to make either side look like the good guys. They are both bad but the lesser evil once you weigh everything IS the CU. |
katsucats said: First, as another user mentioned, the Hideauze aren't any more sentient than fish from what we can tell. Second, it doesn't matter if they are sentient, they are hostile. If all black people unanimously attacked anything in sight, then you would be justified in annihilating them at the roots. Unfortunately your analogy doesn't really work, does it? You know, one of them giving a war speech was a pretty big tip-off that they are sentient... Further, they are only hostile because humans have been trying to wipe them out. They do not attack on sight. They only killed Pinion's brother AFTER he went into their nest, specifically their breeding area. This is entirely understandable given the nature of their interactions with humans. More immediately, and on a higher order, what is the relevance of sentience, exactly? The definition of sentience notwithstanding, does it somehow fit into your world view that annihilation of a non-sentient species is justifiable, but annihilation of a sentient species become racist? So where is this cut off point in intelligence between where you can just kill a being without batting an eyelash, and where killing one makes you a murderer? It is generally considered that personhood is defined by sentience, or at least, the level of sentience that we humans possess. Hence, the annihilation of sentient creatures would be widely considered to be murder. Slaughtering animals for no other reason than I don't like animals would also widely be considered to be unjustified, but not murder. If I went around killing every dog I saw because one dog mauled and killed my brother, I would be arrested and charged, possibly imprisoned; but not charged with murder. This is because we accept that dogs are more sentient than house-flies, but less so than humans. This is also entirely neglecting the notion of a soul. Even on a scientific level, we can make a distinction between human sentience and animal sentience. I charge that your moral prescriptions aren't very consistent, and that you really just have no clue what racism even is. It makes no difference whether Hideauze are evolved human beings or evolved mosquitoes. As long as we accept the narrative that they are a threat to the human race, then that is all the justification a human being needs to eliminate them. They are not a threat to the human race, and further this entire paragraph is a non-sequitor. You start off by making the statement that I have no clue what racism is and that my beliefs are inconsistent, then move on to a conclusion that whether they are sentient or not is irrelevant. The conclusion does not follow the premise. And neither has justification. North Koreans present a threat to South Koreans, but if South Korea/America suddenly nuked every square inch of North Korea, this would be widely condemned. Further, if you actually watch the show, the Hideauze show no signs of being a threat to the human race beyond being able to win a war of annihilation against them if provoked. They live in relative peace with the people of Earth. By the way: OMG Killer squid is actually a human child!!1111 Cheap manipulation. It's like expecting us to get shocked at the sight of a starving African child. It seems like this is working for a lot of you... but hey, different strokes for different folks... Uh... most people are shocked at the sight of a starving child.... |
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Darklight0303 said: And since then the Hideauze have started being the dominant force with CU unable to do a damn thing to stop their expansion. Hideauze are no poor abused victims just as much as the CU aren't. They were adapted to live in space. They didn't HAVE to steal from the CU. They with their precious new race could have colonized any other planet in the solar system but instead they got all "OH NO YOU DON'T" at the CU and wanted to steal it. When it comes to space survival the Hideauze had it best and the most options. CU was gonna leave and never come back hence why destroy the gate. You're telling me those amazing geniuses wouldn't be able to use the pieces of the destroyed gate to make their own eventually? No they wanted the easy way out and after that they continued to hunt the CU instead of going into teritory where the CU didn't go to. There is no Coexistance in the vocabulary of Hideauze either. Stop trying to make either side look like the good guys. They are both bad but the lesser evil once you weigh everything IS the CU. Okay ignoring half the shit you said that was not in the episode(the first sentence being pure bullshit constructed in same way homophobes construct their arguments against sexual equality), I already answered on WHY they had to catch a ride on the wormhole gate. Your argument would be VERY sound if Alliance was not a bunch of genocidal "HUMAN PURITY FUCK YEA" nazi freaks who had a hard-on towards destroying all sentient creatures who did not have silver hair and purple eyes. Alliance using wormhole gate would give them A HEAD START. YOU DO KNOW that reaching the closest habitable planet without wormhole travel would take around 200 000 years, right? Alliance and their fascist ways would have had a headstart on building an empire, essentially making Earth and solar system into a concentration camp for Hideauze, up to thepoint when Alliance feels capable enough and has enough territorial advantage to just wipe them all out. The choice of using the gate too and continuing the fight on more equal footing in the depth of space only makes sense in terms of survival. However essentially both CU and Evolvers had expansionist motifs behind it too, turning the war into colonisation race, essentially(yet again quite common in human history, like what happened with Discovery of new World). So while expansionist nature drove their competition, the REASON why Hideauze had to use the warp gate too was pure survival, since it would give way too big of an advantage for CU. You see why your argument is incredibly disgusting? Replace Hideauze with transgender people, or homosexual people, or people of different religion/race and the same "arguments" you work work onto furthering homophobic white supremacist propaganda. |
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scruffykiwi said: They mention very clearly it's a symbiotic relationship between the squid and human. BTW I work with GMO's every day in the lab and yes while this is is clearly impossible with current technologies there is a hell of a lot we do not understand with genetics and we are still in very early stages with gene therapy. Oh yeah and as to the misuse of the word evolution, well I admit that the way the general press uses it pisses me off and it usually is used incorrectly. We are certainly not talking about darwinean evolution here! However, the term 'evolvers' seems to be a derogatory term applied by the humans. Edit: One final comment, It is very likely that the symbiont has had human genes incorporated to avoid rejection, so that is the starting point for your "human genome experiments". :) Welp some kinda argument being raised at last. 1) I'd agree with the symbiotic relationship part, especially due to the name of the organism, but like I've earlier said: the end-result Hidauze is clearly shown to have no parts of its human form left (gore, and if there were bigger human parts in there the analyzation tools in Chambers etc. would trigger and catch that. Unless we're going all conspirational on this and assuming that CU coded a block for this into the system. But we're starting to stack up a lot of assumptions to make this work now). And if we assume there's nothing human left, how the hell would their human "self" survive? With the destruction of the human brain (or change) you would lose that. And lets be honest, there is only so far we can push their "it's future tech!" before the ice-age becomes irrelevant to them, which would mean the whole plot is stupid. 2) Yes there is a LOT we don't know, but then again there are some thing we do with a veeeeeeery high certainty (as high as you can get within science). 3) Evolvers clearly refer to themselves as such. Idk why this is relevant, though. 4) @edit: Fair enough. |
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Pusswookie said: scruffykiwi said: Pusswookie said: Scuffykiwi you seem knowledgeable enough, mind answering my question from earlier? It's about halfway through the last page. Also: Lol at StopDropandBowl for inadvertently admitting that he wants to genocide black people but can't because of negative social stigmas. First-world problems. Is it the question about appearing to have different forms? Well there is an answer to that. The development on an embryo depends ALOT on the conditions within the womb, hence the health conditions that can appear due to abuse during pregnancy. Also by switching on and off just a few genes during development you can DRAMATICALLY change the final form. For instance, it only takes a knockout of one gene in fruit flys to make legs grow out where their wings are. My guess is that if you wanted to do this to the human population there would be 2 steps. First applying symbiosis with the squid form on adults which could be reversable, then secondly using changes during embryo development for a more dramatic and permanent effect. Though that didn't really answer my question(s), it was along the same vein, so I'll just ask you to elaborate. Are you saying that the cute one is an abnormality and might be the result of it's cephaloparents dropping acid during the pregnancy or spousal abuse? I doubt that's true, because it seems like they all start out looking vaguely human, and then gradually(?) turn in to rave party monsters. What I'm asking is, how in the growth process do they get from the humanoid kawaii squid to Mama mollusk with the Sarlacc mouth? Do they just accrue more and more squid parts [as they mature] until they no longer look human, but in fact it's just an organic shell that's genetically melded to the wearer? Actually, let me try and word this in a less confusing way: is there the semblance of a human at the center of every hideauze, encased in and melded to squid flesh, or have they done away with human similarities almost altogether and are now an entirely separate life form? Probably the latter, though that still doesn't explain how they make such a drastic metamorphosis from humanoid child to Obviously a Squid and Nothing Else adults. Speaking of, weren't they originally meant to be able to shed their cephalopodic exterior post space flight, or was the complete lack of opposable thumbs and other such nifty bits a design oversight? LOL .. I wasn't suggesting an acid trip! I was just saying that slight changes in conditions during fetal development can have a huge impact in the final form and if you want to do some radical changes this would be the point to do it. As to the different forms? Who knows. I think the one that got squished at the end certainly appeared to be smaller than the 'final' form so perhaps it's a stage in development? |
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MonadJun 4, 2013 7:37 AM
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Monad said: Well to be fair to the Galactic empire when it started the war was something like a world nations coalition and they had a point. Those scientist created their own small nation where they felt free to make every twisted experiment they thought without any respect to international laws about limits of what you should and shouldn't do. Transforming humans into huge space breathing monsters isn't exactly a very logical way of using their science. They have some legitimacy to attack them but i guess after that they just fought and fought and where it all started kind of got lost. Its no different than religious conflicts. The Evolvers did what they did out of free will, from what we know it was not forceful and it was under conditions that would be desperate enough to bend international laws (the earth was in progress of transitioning to an ice age) The episode even made sure to point out that CU attacked BEFORE UN made the decision. that in itself means that its more an attack out of hatred and fear. From what the show told us: 1. Evolvers did not exhibit aggressive behavior towards humanity. 2. Humanity launched nukes first at them and was the aggressor. Its no different in idea than mainstream cases of such conflicts (humans versus mutans in xmen, etc), but also... If we take away the SCIENCE part, its no different than most of genocides in the past of our history, with one nationality or race being demonzed as a justification for the actions of the other bigger country. Through histories we had thousands upon thousands of those kinds of justifications - "POC are not human but inferior apes, so slavery is okay"/"gipsies are evil wizards"/"jewish people are thieves and intent on destruction of society"/"homosexual people are intent on eradicating heterosexual people" Every single case of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, used similar arguments. Its plain and simple - Continental Union attacked the Evolvers because they were different from usual human standard. There are reasons on why there are clear parallels between Galactic Alliance and Nazi Germany. |
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el_putazo said: GJ there. Just like the bunch of a$$holes in this thread, you spoiled it again. |
DawnJJun 4, 2013 7:45 AM
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el_putazo said: How about you spoiler that post since it's a pretty big deal? Jesus Christ. It's not that hard to say to yourself: "Hmmm... If someone hadn't watched that show then maybe they don't want to know this right now." Show some courtesy to other people. This isn't your private message board. |
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neontaster said: el_putazo said: How about you spoiler that post since it's a pretty big deal? Jesus Christ. It's not that hard to say to yourself: "Hmmm... If someone hadn't watched that show then maybe they don't want to know this right now." Show some courtesy to other people. This isn't your private message board. Shit like that really bugs me. Its basically MAL community trademark - "oh yay let's spoil random shit in every single thread, because obviously everyone has already seen it" |
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el_putazo said: But yeah I'm an "a$$hole" alright... @neontaster, slow your roll guy/girl... OK so I made a mistake... my bad. You don't really have to say Don't click the spoiler if you haven't watched The Sixth Sense. Anyway, you are not the first one spoiling that. You're like... 7th or w/e. |
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el_putazo said: How did I spoil it? But yeah I'm an "a$$hole" alright... @neontaster, slow your roll guy/girl... OK so I made a mistake... my bad. Yes, but considering what happened in this episode, that makes it very clear. Ad no, I won't "slow my roll." You're lucky I actually watched that show or I would have been legitimately angry. Right now I'm just annoyed for other people. I've been burned by MAL before, and I take incredible pains to not spoil things. Here's a rule: If you want to mention show X in a thread about show Y - spoiler it. Always. I don't trust people to make judgment calls on spoilers on MAL. |
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| I get it honest mistake. My bad, didn't mean to do that... I've been burned before so I know that feeling... Again, honest mistake didn't mean to offend you guys. |
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el_putazo said: I get it honest mistake. My bad, didn't mean to do that... I've been burned before so I know that feeling... Again, honest mistake didn't mean to offend you guys. OK cool. I only got mad because it's a topic I care a lot about. Thanks for adding spoiler tags. |
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| 5/5 Stake enjoyable, even here there will be the turning point that will bring the series to a higher level and will give us some great satisfaction, a darker plot twists and burst. I'm not blown out of the chair, but to know the real story behind the Hideauze, made me feel bad for Ledo's hands are stained with the blood of so many innocent people, because in the end they tried to defend themselves perhaps only! Poor cuttlefish, you're a brute Chamber! The hypothesis that the little girl can be seen in the documents is Amy, I had flashed to me, oh really maybe there will be a dramatic background in the future! |
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neontaster said: Well It Is a pretty good show.el_putazo said: I get it honest mistake. My bad, didn't mean to do that... I've been burned before so I know that feeling... Again, honest mistake didn't mean to offend you guys. OK cool. I only got mad because it's a topic I care a lot about. Thanks for adding spoiler tags. |
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el_putazo said: Well It Is a pretty good show. I wish it had 24 ep... It would have been much more enjoyable with more foreshadowing/drama/Ledo growing-up scenes. |
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DawnJ said: +1 Agreed.el_putazo said: Well It Is a pretty good show. I wish it had 24 ep... It would have been much more enjoyable with more foreshadowing/drama/Ledo growing-up scenes. |
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| @Ncrdrg The Evolvers WERE NOT MODIFYING ANYONE FORCIBLY (I.E. WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT) The were a number of countries that supported them. They had VOLUNTEERS. Nowhere it was said that they were experimenting on people without their consent. You're mistaken in other points too, but this is the most important one. |
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