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Draakisback said: not a flash back but a flash forward. You mean foreshadow. But still, if that's really the case, then they executed it so bad. |
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Sa-chan_ said: Draakisback said: not a flash back but a flash forward. You mean foreshadow. But still, if that's really the case, then they executed it so bad. |
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I think Kud fans everywhere just had a heart attack lol. cxu said: I don't remember exactly were I read it, or who said it, but I'm pretty sure that someone said that the LB! anime requires mutual understanding from both VN players and anime-only watchers, and that VN players are also in for a surprise whe it comes to the secret of the world. Which is probably the reason for this whole flashforward thing. Yeah, it was one of supposed reasons why Kyoani refused to animate LB! according to that article. |
Draakisback said: twonline said: SleepingEntity said: No, there is no evidence that Kud was sexually assaulted while imprisoned in the VN. It's pretty much the same in the anime as the VN. I think they are talking about the Kudwafter VN... Any ideas??? Anyone read that?? Ive read KW: what they've said is true. From what i gathered when i read it: WARNING LOTS OF SPOILERS FOR LB AND KW: WTF.....wtf......wtf.....wtf I'm actually planning to play Kudwafter after i'm done to the original VN(Which i am playing right now) buuuuuut...... |
RedgraveGilverMar 17, 2013 5:12 AM
zakkun89 said: Sa-chan_ said: lolno. That kind of thing isn't implied on the VN so that never happened and it didn't imply about Kud being naked in the chain scene. Most likely Key wanted to make her naked. Well there must be a reason why Key made her naked ! That question has been hauting me since forever ! I believe it's because she has natural needs to do and clothes can trouble her. I don't believe there are further reasons. Good episode, really good. |
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| I liked the first half of this episode a lot, but the communicating thing and the gear transported across the globe left a really bad taste in my mouth. :/ I was hoping they were gonna solve the problem in a much more believable manner(doesn't mean realistic), but at least she thought of the voices as illusions since it's known that people pretend to hear stuff like that to encourage themselves in life threatening moments. However I did like how she realized not to compare herself to her mother and the reunion with her friends. |
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Draakisback said: egnaro315 said: I think Kud fans everywhere just had a heart attack lol. cxu said: I don't remember exactly were I read it, or who said it, but I'm pretty sure that someone said that the LB! anime requires mutual understanding from both VN players and anime-only watchers, and that VN players are also in for a surprise whe it comes to the secret of the world. Which is probably the reason for this whole flashforward thing. Yeah, it was one of supposed reasons why Kyoani refused to animate LB! according to that article. it really is a shame that Kyoani didnt do it. I would really love to see their version of the story and how they overcome some of the plot devices to make it still have that whole LB emotional kick in the teeth that the VN has. Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. |
Seano299 said: Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. This guy knows what's up. |
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Seano299 said: I disagree i am not familiar with the VN but i can't call this good previous works from Key that where animated where much better then this is and those where done by Kyoani.Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. This just fails to deliver the emotions the previous works did. |
Aversa said: Seano299 said: I disagree i am not familiar with the VN but i can't call this good previous works from Key that where animated where much better then this is and those where done by Kyoani.Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. This just fails to deliver the emotions the previous works did. But Air, Kanon AND Clannad were all easier to adapt. It was fairly straight forward and also note that Kyoani's explanation at the endings were always downright terrible. The ending to Clannad AS was so vague and confusing that it sort of ruined it all. It'd be even worse if that happened to LB as it's the part of the story that explains everything. It's also what makes the VN so hard to adapt |
ElfinMint said: dizzyworld2 said: And this from that collage of frames:  I'll just say that Riki looks hilarious rather than the surprised look they're trying to give. Let me fixed that for you with captions. LMFAO I got bored yesterday so I edited a little bit: |
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dizzyworld2 said: ElfinMint said: dizzyworld2 said: And this from that collage of frames: I'll just say that Riki looks hilarious rather than the surprised look they're trying to give. Let me fixed that for you with captions. LMFAO I got bored yesterday so I edited a little bit: I'm done. These pictures made me laugh so hard. |
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Seano299 said: Clannad and Air where much better with bringing the emotions to the viewer Air even brought tears to my eyes and with Clannad i could really feel for the characters but i don't have that with Little Busters.Aversa said: Seano299 said: I disagree i am not familiar with the VN but i can't call this good previous works from Key that where animated where much better then this is and those where done by Kyoani.Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. This just fails to deliver the emotions the previous works did. But Air, Kanon AND Clannad were all easier to adapt. It was fairly straight forward and also note that Kyoani's explanation at the endings were always downright terrible. The ending to Clannad AS was so vague and confusing that it sort of ruined it all. It'd be even worse if that happened to LB as it's the part of the story that explains everything. It's also what makes the VN so hard to adapt However if you look at the arcs in Little Busters they have the potential to bring out a lot of emotions yet they don't. I just looked at the director and this is the first anime he made where serious emotions matter and clearly he is not cut out for this which is a mistake from JC Staff since they have people that probably could do a much better job. I am not a VN player so i can't say how the endings of Clannad and Air should have been so i am probably looking for different things in a Key adaption than a VN player would. And personally i think most works from Key are better then this. |
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Aversa said: Seano299 said: Clannad and Air where much better with bringing the emotions to the viewer Air even brought tears to my eyes and with Clannad i could really feel for the characters but i don't have that with Little Busters.Aversa said: Seano299 said: I disagree i am not familiar with the VN but i can't call this good previous works from Key that where animated where much better then this is and those where done by Kyoani.Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. This just fails to deliver the emotions the previous works did. But Air, Kanon AND Clannad were all easier to adapt. It was fairly straight forward and also note that Kyoani's explanation at the endings were always downright terrible. The ending to Clannad AS was so vague and confusing that it sort of ruined it all. It'd be even worse if that happened to LB as it's the part of the story that explains everything. It's also what makes the VN so hard to adapt However if you look at the arcs in Little Busters they have the potential to bring out a lot of emotions yet they don't. I just looked at the director and this is the first anime he made where serious emotions matter and clearly he is not cut out for this which is a mistake from JC Staff since they have people that probably could do a much better job. I am not a VN player so i can't say how the endings of Clannad and Air should have been so i am probably looking for different things in a Key adaption than a VN player would. And personally i think most works from Key are better then this. This is what a lot of people have been saying, even as a VN player I must agree to some extent. The lack of real emotional depth is probably due to the difficulty of the source material to adapt. The paths in Clannad, Air, and even Kanon were by far more straightforward and to some extents could be negligible. While those VNs and anime adaptations relied heavily in the main character's progression and honestly could have ignored some routes entirely, Little Busters! as a VN adaptation can't do that. To keep it spoiler free, I will not go into detail why, but let's just say each and every single event matters in the arcs and brings a better conclusion. The director problem may be true to some extent, but they are largely following the VN and the storyboard for some of the episodes are actually quite impressive. The biggest problem with directors though is that even if they are better at building emotions and bringing forth a better episode, they may not quite fully comprehend the story or have ever read the VN. As an anime viewer, this would probably be fine, but as a VN player and as a Key fan, it'd be a little disappointing. Not that it would be a bad thing to diverge from the VN, but if you gain emotions at the loss of overall tie-in that would be a problem. Sa-chan_ said: WillKamio said: Sadly, they will finish this season with the baseball game. Basically what they stated in the episode summary, and those haven't been wrong yet. |
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| Concerning KyoAni and the adaption, I simply heard that they didn't have time to do it soon because they already have a bunch of other shows planned. If it's "too complex," we have to remember that As for the unknown source that said VN players would have a surprise, I want a source for that. It gives me a bit of more interest in seeing the next season and I want to make sure I'm not being fucked with. Concerning Kud, Lastly, concerning season two, I have a bad feeling it will start with either a Rin route or, worst, the EX routes (at least Sasasmi and Futaki, since Saya's would have to be an OVA or at least shown after Refrain). I think that at the very least, Kurugaya's route will be the final one before Refrain, then followed by Rin 2 (since Rin 2 needs to happen directly before Refrain). |
ClannadIsLove said: Lastly, concerning season two, I have a bad feeling it will start with either a Rin route or, worst, the EX routes (at least Sasasmi and Futaki, since Saya's would have to be an OVA or at least shown after Refrain). Sasami's arc is unlikely because Sasami's story is after the events of Refrain. (I keep saying this numerous times) And I don't know what do you mean by 'worst'. Kanata's route is a more detailed version of Haruka's route. Sasami's route is a more detailed and well-written version of Kurugaya's route. |
TennoujiMar 17, 2013 9:18 AM
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| UTW quote a.) This is complete bullshit. b.) It ignores the logic of the Secret of the World. c.) It was never implied nor intended as the purpose of Kud's route. Kud's route in the VN is more bare boned, and about Riki strengthening Kud by using the very useless broken gear that has been the manifestation of Kud's inferiority, Kud feeling LIKE a useless gear, in order to break free from her regrets, mainly (VN spoiler) d.) The guy who wrote this has been reading too many doujins, or hates Kud. Edit: If it's confirmed so be it. I still stick to my first two spoiler explanations, so even if it's brought up in Kud Wafter, it wouldn't matter. Ok, so I guess this is supposed to be the body of a girl who's been "standing in a pool of her own filth, ravaged again and again: And, if you're considering Kud getting supposedly raped canon to the story, then you'd have to consider this canon too: Kud's first time wasn't with Riki. HAH, nice try. |
Vladz0rMar 17, 2013 10:34 AM
Aversa said: Seano299 said: Clannad and Air where much better with bringing the emotions to the viewer Air even brought tears to my eyes and with Clannad i could really feel for the characters but i don't have that with Little Busters.Aversa said: Seano299 said: I disagree i am not familiar with the VN but i can't call this good previous works from Key that where animated where much better then this is and those where done by Kyoani.Why? Kyoani didn't pick it up because they knew they'd butcher it. Seriously, if they could do well, they would've done it. But they knew they couldn't pull it off. I feel JC are actually doing an amazing job with it and a better job than Kyoani probably would've. This just fails to deliver the emotions the previous works did. But Air, Kanon AND Clannad were all easier to adapt. It was fairly straight forward and also note that Kyoani's explanation at the endings were always downright terrible. The ending to Clannad AS was so vague and confusing that it sort of ruined it all. It'd be even worse if that happened to LB as it's the part of the story that explains everything. It's also what makes the VN so hard to adapt However if you look at the arcs in Little Busters they have the potential to bring out a lot of emotions yet they don't. I just looked at the director and this is the first anime he made where serious emotions matter and clearly he is not cut out for this which is a mistake from JC Staff since they have people that probably could do a much better job. I am not a VN player so i can't say how the endings of Clannad and Air should have been so i am probably looking for different things in a Key adaption than a VN player would. And personally i think most works from Key are better then this. I got more tears from the character arcs in the Little Busters anime than even the Clannad anime. The character arcs felt completely useless in Clannad and were sort of tame, especially compared to LB. The main route for Clannad was obviously more emotional than the character arcs of LB, but LBs main route is also more emotional than Clannads. If JC keep it up with how they're hinting Refrain, I'm sure that Little Busters will end with plenty of emotions. Overall, I think that the first season of the LB anime is better than the first season of the Clannad anime. Although, everyone has different experiences and obviously yours has been different. |
| Impressed by Kud's route, I thought they did it quite well, best route so far. Due to them showing Kurugaya and her playing the piano, I am now hopeful that they will show her arc. Her route was fascinating. Also surprised they slipped in some stuff from Refrain and Rin 2 this early. |
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Vladz0r said: UTW quote a.) This is complete bullshit. b.) It ignores the logic of the Secret of the World. c.) It was never implied nor intended as the purpose of Kud's route. Kud's route in the VN is more bare boned, and about Riki strengthening Kud by using the very useless broken gear that has been the manifestation of Kud's inferiority, Kud feeling LIKE a useless gear, in order to break free from her regrets, mainly (VN spoiler) d.) The guy who wrote this has been reading too many doujins, or hates Kud. Edit: If it's confirmed so be it. I still stick to my first two spoiler explanations, so even if it's brought up in Kud Wafter, it wouldn't matter. Ok, so I guess this is supposed to be the body of a girl who's been "standing in a pool of her own filth, ravaged again and again: And, if you're considering Kud getting supposedly raped canon to the story, then you'd have to consider this canon too: Kud's first time wasn't with Riki. HAH, nice try. But they say it's from Kudwafter VN.... And someone who read VN said it is true... So there must be somewhat of truth to it..... Draakisback said: twonline said: SleepingEntity said: No, there is no evidence that Kud was sexually assaulted while imprisoned in the VN. It's pretty much the same in the anime as the VN. I think they are talking about the Kudwafter VN... Any ideas??? Anyone read that?? Ive read KW: what they've said is true. From what i gathered when i read it: WARNING LOTS OF SPOILERS FOR LB AND KW: |
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Draakisback said: Ive read KW: what they've said is true. From what i gathered when i read it: WARNING LOTS OF SPOILERS FOR LB AND KW: So Kud... was raped. Right? |
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twonline said: But they say it's from Kudwafter VN.... And someone who read VN said it is true... So there must be somewhat of truth to it..... It might be true, it might not. Still (harsh language+spoilers here, idgaf): It's bullshit writing logic, whether it's made up by UTW or actually in Kud Wafter. /discussion ihateeveryone said: So Kud... was raped. Right? LB Refrain Spoiler: |
| So I started playing KW and Draakisback said: Ive read KW: what they've said is true. From what i gathered when i read it: WARNING LOTS OF SPOILERS FOR LB AND KW: So yeah she wasn't raped. |
kratos_aurion said: zakkun89 said: Sa-chan_ said: lolno. That kind of thing isn't implied on the VN so that never happened and it didn't imply about Kud being naked in the chain scene. Most likely Key wanted to make her naked. Well there must be a reason why Key made her naked ! That question has been hauting me since forever ! I believe it's because she has natural needs to do and clothes can trouble her. I don't believe there are further reasons. Good episode, really good. Ooooh so she was suddenly naked because she had to take a dump? Well....okay, if you say so. |
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ClannadIsLove said: Concerning KyoAni and the adaption, I simply heard that they didn't have time to do it soon because they already have a bunch of other shows planned. If it's "too complex," we have to remember that As for the unknown source that said VN players would have a surprise, I want a source for that. It gives me a bit of more interest in seeing the next season and I want to make sure I'm not being fucked with. Concerning Kud, Clannad wasn't that hard to do. |
zakkun89 said: So I started playing KW and Draakisback said: Ive read KW: what they've said is true. From what i gathered when i read it: WARNING LOTS OF SPOILERS FOR LB AND KW: So yeah she wasn't raped. My mind is full of fuck. I wish KW was translated. So much contradictory information has made me stop caring to understand what "actually" happened. |
| So, how good was that? I'd go with damn-good level. At the end I even had wet eyes, and I don't think that I had that problem whil playing the visual novel. Argh, and this episode had one of those LB! OST pieces, which makes me freak out. Too bad I can't find the name of it now. I must admit as well, that I liked sky better in the anime, rather than in the game. Anime had it more starry, love it. Here, just to compare both: Smiling Kengo at the end was nice too. Next ep looks like puppet show + Rin's episode? Can't wait already! |
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Kitsu-nee said: Argh, and this episode had one of those LB! OST pieces, which makes me freak out. Too bad I can't find the name of it now. Could it be song for friends? |
Vladz0r said: My mind is full of fuck. I wish KW was translated. So much contradictory information has made me stop caring to understand what "actually" happened. They have confirmed Kud to NOT have been raped. Rest easy tonight. https://twitter.com/jyuichi/status/313353884347281409 |
Mich666 said: Kitsu-nee said: Argh, and this episode had one of those LB! OST pieces, which makes me freak out. Too bad I can't find the name of it now. Could it be song for friends? Or |
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| The person who keeps saying that Kyoto Animation would have done it better just needs to stop. Sure, KyoAni has excellent sound direction and better animation, but they do not know how to handle magical realism. Both Kanon and Clannad's endings are absolutely terrible because of this. I'm sure J.C. Staff understands the greater story behind the Little Busters and will effectively present Refrain (and Key is involved as well). Furthermore, the placement of Let's Return, Little Melody, and Song for Friends in this episode is excellent. That being said, the amount of surprise that the VN players are showing makes me worried that we'll have a "J.C. Staff original" ending. Can't forget about Yumekui Merry. |
Vladz0r said: UTW quote a.) This is complete bullshit. b.) It ignores the logic of the Secret of the World. c.) It was never implied nor intended as the purpose of Kud's route. Kud's route in the VN is more bare boned, and about Riki strengthening Kud by using the very useless broken gear that has been the manifestation of Kud's inferiority, Kud feeling LIKE a useless gear, in order to break free from her regrets, mainly (VN spoiler) d.) The guy who wrote this has been reading too many doujins, or hates Kud. Edit: If it's confirmed so be it. I still stick to my first two spoiler explanations, so even if it's brought up in Kud Wafter, it wouldn't matter. Ok, so I guess this is supposed to be the body of a girl who's been "standing in a pool of her own filth, ravaged again and again: And, if you're considering Kud getting supposedly raped canon to the story, then you'd have to consider this canon too: Kud's first time wasn't with Riki. HAH, nice try. What... where does that CG comes from? I haven't seen it in EX Version... Oh and I think that the girls in LB! knew everything, in fact they helped (no spoilers I think) to create everything, and Kyousuke and the guys were just trying to acomplish their wishes but the girls also wanted to help Riki and Rin just like Kud said in this episode, "I have to help Rin and Riki". |
IrustuaMar 17, 2013 2:50 PM
Irustua said: What... where does that CG comes from? I haven't seen it in EX Version... I downloaded all the LB EX CGs from a torrent. I couldn't find them on that first site you see when you google "Little Busters CGs" I have CGs from multiple sources, since a lot of the collections I downloaded were incomplete. I had to compile them together to get all the scenes. Hm I think they are actually from Kud Wafter lol. >< |
Irustua said: Vladz0r said: Irustua said: What... where does that CG comes from? I haven't seen it in EX Version... I downloaded all the LB EX CGs from a torrent. I couldn't find them on that first site you see when you google "Little Busters CGs" I have CGs from multiple sources, since a lot of the collections I downloaded were incomplete. I had to compile them together to get all the scenes. Hm I think they are actually from Kud Wafter lol. >< So this link is incomplete? http://cgv.blicky.net/lbe/ Could you send me one with the full list. I think my CGs were from Kud Wafter, so that one is complete. |
Kratos_Ortega said: Mich666 said: Kitsu-nee said: Argh, and this episode had one of those LB! OST pieces, which makes me freak out. Too bad I can't find the name of it now. Could it be song for friends? Or Thanks both of you, and yeah, it's the second one I meant, 'Let's return'. Song for friends is beautiful, but definitely not freaky ;) While playing the game three tracks were giving me a real mindfuck, it was 'Let's return', 'Thin chronicle', and 'A world were nothing happened'. Mostly those were used in Refrain and Kurugaya arc, if I'm not wrong. All of those are driving me crazy, when I hear them, giving me goosebums, brrr. |
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shirayuki75 said: The person who keeps saying that Kyoto Animation would have done it better just needs to stop. Sure, KyoAni has excellent sound direction and better animation, but they do not know how to handle magical realism. Both Kanon and Clannad's endings are absolutely terrible because of this. I'm sure J.C. Staff understands the greater story behind the Little Busters and will effectively present Refrain (and Key is involved as well). Furthermore, the placement of Let's Return, Little Melody, and Song for Friends in this episode is excellent. That being said, the amount of surprise that the VN players are showing makes me worried that we'll have a "J.C. Staff original" ending. Can't forget about Yumekui Merry. Please don't, although they changed the story for Yumekui Merry and had original characters. So at the very least we won't have some random characters added to make a new ending. |
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| That. was. FUCKING. BRILLANT. 3.5/5 I knew that Kud´s arc ending will be shocking, and I wasn´t wrong. I wanted to see suffering that bitch who chained Kud. Why with a girl, bitch? What did she do to You?. Also, WHAT´S ALL ABOUT WITH THAT GEAR THAT "MAGICALLY" WAS TELEPORTED TO KUD?. Fuck... Great chapter, no more words. Holy fuck, 2 more caps. and the 1º season dies... T____T |
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TimeToRepent said: That. was. FUCKING. BRILLANT. 3.5/5 I knew that Kud´s arc ending will be shocking, and I wasn´t wrong. I wanted to see suffering that bitch who chained Kud. Why with a girl, bitch? What did she do to You?. Also, WHAT´S ALL ABOUT WITH THAT GEAR THAT "MAGICALLY" WAS TELEPORTED TO KUD?. Fuck... Great chapter, no more words. Holy fuck, 2 more caps. and the 1º season dies... T____T Well you see |
Vladz0r said: TimeToRepent said: That. was. FUCKING. BRILLANT. 3.5/5 I knew that Kud´s arc ending will be shocking, and I wasn´t wrong. I wanted to see suffering that bitch who chained Kud. Why with a girl, bitch? What did she do to You?. Also, WHAT´S ALL ABOUT WITH THAT GEAR THAT "MAGICALLY" WAS TELEPORTED TO KUD?. Fuck... Great chapter, no more words. Holy fuck, 2 more caps. and the 1º season dies... T____T Well you see Hahahaha, I didn´t read the whole message. I have downloaded it yesterday. |
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