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| I never mentioned anything about hardship, silly. And the fact I consider this episode the most interesting episode so far doesn't mean I was bored throughout the previous. But, hey, all congratulations are welcome. :) |
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Ryekeel said: Well, if you said this episode is "the only damn interesting episode so far in the series", isn't it the same as saying you think all the other episodes are not interesting? And if they are not interesting, isn't it saying that you find them boring?I never mentioned anything about hardship, silly. And the fact I consider this episode the most interesting episode so far doesn't mean I was bored throughout the previous. But, hey, all congratulations are welcome. :) |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Not really. What I was getting at was that this is the only episode so far that's elicited a response from me akin to "oh, that was cool" or similar. The previous episodes for me have been pretty mundane. |
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Orulyon said: Funny that I always thought that Aika was Sycorax. I mean, she has much more of Sycorax circumstances (dead mighty powerful character that controls the "bad" magic but Prospero ends up being similar to her, so none is really "evil" or "good" just like the trees), but then she commits suicide like Ophelia. It's interesting how the Tree of Exodus/Genesis are so similar to the relationship between Prospero and Sycorax (just as you say, they represent "good" and "bad" but the line between dark and white magic, red and blue in this case, is pretty blurry), yet Aika also represents Sycorax in the more humanistic elements; it's almost as though they are linking Aika to Medea as an archetype. But that's why Aika steals the show. |
Continuum_Blaze said: I never knew that there was so much dislike for Aika, but then again I'm not on the forums that much at all. Guess I was in the minority for liking Aika from the start :P Same here. I especially like her interactions with Yoshino...and in a strange way, I think the two complement each other well. They are the only two stand-out characters in the show for me. |
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Dusk252 said: That also puzzles me. I can see how Hajimari no Ki becomes Tree of Genesis because Hajimari no Ki is literally translated as "Tree of the beginning". However Zetsuen no Ki is much trickier because Zetsuen is a word coined by the author (as far as I can tell) so it is not easy to translate.symbv said: And now you really make me wonder why the choice of such a translation. I mean... why not stick with the literal translation? Was it a random or a purposeful choice? I'm certainly not informed regarding that, but it really made me curious.Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: I'm glad you pointed that out. It always seemed odd to me but I was just figuring whatever.^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. |
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| Incredible! I love time travel so much. The battle near the bridge had great animation, it really portrayed Fuwa Aika's graceful finesse with the blade. The death scene was inevitable. The past wasn't going to change anyway but it was still a great sight for Hakaze to see Yoshino and Mahiro at the end before they formally meet. The most enjoyable episode yet. |
symbv said: ^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. What do they convey in Japanese? Is there some symbolic cultural aspect that the English version seems to insinuate? |
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mora404 said: Obviously I'm no expert on the Japanese, but taken literally from my dictionary the one is Tree of Beginning or Tree of Dawn, while the later is Tree of Breaking off relationssymbv said: ^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. What do they convey in Japanese? Is there some symbolic cultural aspect that the English version seems to insinuate? |
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mora404 said: symbv said: ^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. What do they convey in Japanese? Is there some symbolic cultural aspect that the English version seems to insinuate? Dusk252 said: Tree of Genesis is actually 始まりの樹 in original Japanese. This one is clear, as you said. And it is also clear how a translator may take it to translate it as Tree of Genesis. Tree of Exodus is much trickier. In original Japanese it is 絶園の樹 and 絶園 (Zetsuen) is coined term so there is no clear meaning in Japanese. If we parse the kanji, while 園 has a clear meaning of Garden, 絶 can have a broad range of meanings usually depends on what conjugate noun it forms. Usually it means Cut-off, Isolate, Interrupt, Absolute, Extreme. However, since there is no conjugate noun as 絶園 it is hard to tell what exactly 絶 means in this noun. A best guess is a conjugate noun that has the same pronunciation 絶縁 (Zetsuen) which means "relationship break-off". The author may have made the decision to change the second kanji from 縁 to 園 as a very subtle reference to the Garden of Eden, which may perhaps inspired the translator to pick a biblical term to name this Zetsuen no Ki as Tree of Exodus as a reference to the Exodus from Eden.symbv said: Yeah, I knew how Hajimari no Ki translated (and yeah, it does make sense to use Genesis in that sense - specially with all the mentions of parallels with religious cults) but I knew nothing about Zetsuen and according to the google it means "isolation"? From there to Exodus is a bit of a push if you ask me. I really wanted to know if there was such a connection regarding the symbolism right there.I can see how Hajimari no Ki becomes Tree of Genesis because Hajimari no Ki is literally translated as "Tree of the beginning". However Zetsuen no Ki is much trickier because Zetsuen is a word coined by the author (as far as I can tell) so it is not easy to translate. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Nice episode despicting final Aika moments. Aika's monologue leading to the end (19:10 and on) is easily one of most memorable scenes in anime lately. Well still one thing is missing - who was Hanemura's girlfriend then? Was it Aika also? You know opening IS about breaking up and letting go. |
Mich666Mar 12, 2013 8:45 AM
Siva said: Dusk252 said: "And I also a troll."There was not enough space to add as you can see. |
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ainky said: Hmmm... I think I might make one myself xD It should turn out funny.Siva said: Dusk252 said: "And I also a troll."There was not enough space to add as you can see. |
plumflora said: That is not the point of this show. From the very beginning the show is trying to make you believe everything can be Right or Wrong, Bad or Good, and Yes or No. Everytime they showed something is good and then latter on they will show you the same thing can be also bad.i wish they did a better job at hiding aika's true identity, but i wasn't that disappointed; this episode is my favorite so far, and i can't express how much i like the ending for this ep! |
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| I think what Aika said in this episode pretty much sums up the show, "This is the beginning and the end." What a profound statement given we know so far. It's remarkable how this show forces you to reassess every character's role even this late into the story and I don't think there is another anime where a character who is dead from the beginning is the driving force behind...well..pretty much everything. 5/5 Outstanding episode through and through. |
symbv said: mora404 said: symbv said: ^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. What do they convey in Japanese? Is there some symbolic cultural aspect that the English version seems to insinuate? Dusk252 said: Tree of Genesis is actually 始まりの樹 in original Japanese. This one is clear, as you said. And it is also clear how a translator may take it to translate it as Tree of Genesis. Tree of Exodus is much trickier. In original Japanese it is 絶園の樹 and 絶園 (Zetsuen) is coined term so there is no clear meaning in Japanese. If we parse the kanji, while 園 has a clear meaning of Garden, 絶 can have a broad range of meanings usually depends on what conjugate noun it forms. Usually it means Cut-off, Isolate, Interrupt, Absolute, Extreme. However, since there is no conjugate noun as 絶園 it is hard to tell what exactly 絶 means in this noun. A best guess is a conjugate noun that has the same pronunciation 絶縁 (Zetsuen) which means "relationship break-off". The author may have made the decision to change the second kanji from 縁 to 園 as a very subtle reference to the Garden of Eden, which may perhaps inspired the translator to pick a biblical term to name this Zetsuen no Ki as Tree of Exodus as a reference to the Exodus from Eden.symbv said: Yeah, I knew how Hajimari no Ki translated (and yeah, it does make sense to use Genesis in that sense - specially with all the mentions of parallels with religious cults) but I knew nothing about Zetsuen and according to the google it means "isolation"? From there to Exodus is a bit of a push if you ask me. I really wanted to know if there was such a connection regarding the symbolism right there.I can see how Hajimari no Ki becomes Tree of Genesis because Hajimari no Ki is literally translated as "Tree of the beginning". However Zetsuen no Ki is much trickier because Zetsuen is a word coined by the author (as far as I can tell) so it is not easy to translate. I'll throw in a few thoughts. First off, "Exodus" is traditionally associated with the departure from Egypt, not with the expulsion from Eden. So if we want to have a biblical connection, Zetsuen would be closer to "cut off from the garden", and thus would be the "Tree of Expulsion". And the tree that caused the expulsion from the Garden of Eden was the Tree of Knowledge. And in Zetsuen no Tempest, the Zetsuen no Ki is the tree that provides the power and knowledge to destroy the Hajimari no Ki. So to me, this appears to be a retelling not only of some Shakespearian themes, but also a subtle take on the Expulsion from the Garden, with I suppose, Aika as Eve, who has effectively originated everything thanks to time loops. In any event, just some thoughts to toss around. |
Dusk252 said: And so I did it... Well, I actually made my serious take at a proper gif on the quote plus the troll version.ainky said: Hmmm... I think I might make one myself xD It should turn out funny.Siva said: Dusk252 said: "And I also a troll."There was not enough space to add as you can see. Serious one:  Troll one:  dbaranyi said: Those are indeed some interesting thoughts. And logical ones at that. Although I truly think the issue here is how the parallels are drawn. In most cases, when a medium draws parallels with other without blatantly copying a storyline, you can understand there are parallels, but you can't pinpoint at least some of them. And it's the same with this show and Shakespeare, to be honest. As it was even lampshaded in-universe by Aika this episode, the characters all fit more than one role in Shakespearean works, though they fit none absolutely perfectly. I guess one could say the same about the biblic references.symbv said: I'll throw in a few thoughts. First off, "Exodus" is traditionally associated with the departure from Egypt, not with the expulsion from Eden. So if we want to have a biblical connection, Zetsuen would be closer to "cut off from the garden", and thus would be the "Tree of Expulsion". And the tree that caused the expulsion from the Garden of Eden was the Tree of Knowledge. And in Zetsuen no Tempest, the Zetsuen no Ki is the tree that provides the power and knowledge to destroy the Hajimari no Ki. So to me, this appears to be a retelling not only of some Shakespearian themes, but also a subtle take on the Expulsion from the Garden, with I suppose, Aika as Eve, who has effectively originated everything thanks to time loops. In any event, just some thoughts to toss around. |
hontobakaMar 13, 2013 6:01 AM
Dusk252 said: Thx again, good work! =P |
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| Wow, the music really shined in this episode! I hope they'll include the long version of 邂逅 which was played during the fight between aika and hakaze in the 2nd OST! |
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Fallen_Lullaby said: This episode answered MOST of the questions. Aika's main motivation is her love towards Yoshino and Mahiro which I find endearing. Eh, that's not what I got out of this at all. In fact, it's the opposite of what happened. Her motivation was destroying the Tree of Genesis regardless of how it would destroy Yoshino and Mahiro saying that they still may be happy after it's all over. |
| Aika, forever in my hearto.You go to my fav chars. |
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| Really good episode. Nice to see more of Aika and how the whole story fits together. Looking forward to seeing how they hope to take out the tree! |
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| Damn that was good. Your move Hakaze, your move. |
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| Saw it coming from a mile away... |
| You best be joking, nigger. |
| God.. Aika.. I just so awesome, I'm still needing more of that from her! Sadly.. It won't happen cuz of the sad truth that she's dead.. I still love her <3 |
| I can't describe in words how I love Aika as a character. Such a hard person, yet so beautiful and intelligent. Other than that, I really didn't like the fact that she was the mage of exodus. It just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Atleast it made sense. |
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joshlul said: I personally didn't see this coming at all lol. Then again, I try not to guess at what might happen in the future in shows so that I don't ruin it by guessing right.Good episode, I can't say it wasn't predictable though. This is exactly what I thought was going to happen, |
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| Fuwa Aika... so many feels this episode. Aika really proved herself this episode. It was nice to see the two heroines meet. Hakaze tried her best to stop her but she didn't stand a chance against Aika. 5/5 |
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| Aika is awesome. Excellent dialogue. |
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| I like Aika way more than Hakaze. She's awesome, unlike Hakaze, who spends most of her time being annoying. |
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| Dat battle, was intense. |
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CandyRat said: OMG I SO AGREE TO THIS.I like Aika way more than Hakaze. She's awesome, unlike Hakaze, who spends most of her time being annoying. Seriously, Hakaze is just a typical main female character that just annoys the hell out of me. Especially when she freaked out every minute over Yoshino for like 5 episodes.. Aika just became my favorite character of the Anime. She is so different and unique, calm and collected. What an awesome episode. Glad she kicked Hakaze's ass. |
zbignew said: Saw it coming from a mile away... Same, well i did enjoy the episode a whole LOT and despite the fact it was sort of predictable , it was well executed. |
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| Wow, Aika's character is even better and more likable than I thought. She is intelligent and understandable. And while giving one's life for his friends isn't always the best choice, because you have to live for your friends' sake, sometimes it's inevitable. After the conversation with Hakaze, Aika knows that the future where Aika is dead is very dangerous, but Mahiro and Yoshino are safe and have the chance to safe the whole world. Let's say Aika wouldn't accept her death and just stay alive.. nobody can say that Yoshino and Mahiro would survive everything that's going to happen (because the Samon and co would make the prodecure anyway). And for the sake of those two, Aika gives her life without complain. That's wonderful. The Yoshino x Aika scene in the end was really cute. <3 I really can't believe he got Aika and Hakaze.. those two are wonderful and I hope it's going to end with Yoshino x Hakaze. |
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