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| Good episode, but killing that bastard Sugou wasn't animated that well, I still can't vent out my anger for that freak. It was better in the LN. Anyway, a lil spoiler, does anyone think they'll leave out the last ordeal in the real world in the final episode!! Well, still looking for the next episode and 2nd season for GGO, and maybe underworld too!!! |
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| Very nice episode, imo it was on pair with the novel, I felt almost the same way as reading! |
| He should of just used the admin privilege from the beginning to save all the trouble of the ALO arc |
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| This was worse than Psychic Wars. Disregarding the actual story, the art was also horribly inconsistent. |
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Alfyan said: He should of just used the admin privilege from the beginning to save all the trouble of the ALO arc without the password? |
| This was what I was looking for. Have read the novel up to the next episode but the animators truly spent their time in this episode. Wasn't rush and they kept with the novel. Really made me wanna hate that bastard for doing that to Asuna. And tough time for Kirito . Can't wait for the finale |
| Am I a bad person for laughing at the whole rape scene and Sugou's mutilation? |
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ShiroX said: Am I a bad person for laughing at the whole rape scene and Sugou's mutilation? Hell no, I didn't laugh but I thought it was hilarious. |
ShiroX said: Am I a bad person for laughing at the whole rape scene and Sugou's mutilation? No, it was so badly done that all you could do was laugh. Xaliuss said: Don't remember only the first line of Kayaba answer... Because having a dream totally justifies all the crap he did. The morality presented in this series is that of a 14-year old at best. |
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ShiroX said: Am I a bad person for laughing at the whole rape scene and Sugou's mutilation? Lol of course not see the faces the dude was giving every time he was about to touch her |
| Kayaba killed thousands of innocent players, let's make it look like he's the good guy now. Fuck this, honestly... About Yui, they sure have great love for a program they knew for 3 days only as someone said in this post. This anime is good but some parts are ridiculously stupid. |
| ok kirito you have to do the same thing to sugou in real life now mwaahahahah xD |
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Nidhoeggr said: I dont remember anyone from the main cast forgiving Kayaba.If fans think that he is a "good man" it has nothing to do with how Kayaba is presented.Most of the cool and badass charcters that everybody likes are killers anyway.ShiroX said: Am I a bad person for laughing at the whole rape scene and Sugou's mutilation? No, it was so badly done that all you could do was laugh. Xaliuss said: Don't remember only the first line of Kayaba answer... Because having a dream totally justifies all the crap he did. The morality presented in this series is that of a 14-year old at best. |
whatever123456 said: Are you implying anything could justify the murder of 4000 people? He is insane, that isn't a question of morality. Your post makes it seem like your average 14 year old would be fine with killing thousands of innocents for a dream and is completely devoid of any logic or actual criticism, you are just throwing around insults at every opportunity. oldskoolpunk said: This anime should have ended after the end of the SAO world. That was so well done. I know the manga goes on and on for several more worlds, but the trend is downhill. >manga Wrong. >downhill Wrong again. Obviously not, and are you seriously trying to dismiss my statement with such a forced implication? And yes, I do think a lot of teenagers are prone to like rather simple worldviews. Just look at all the people cheering on Kirito torturing Sugou here. Sugou is a pathetic human being, but Kirito is unrerasonably cruel here and it baffles me that so many would support such a cruel act because it is commited against a person they don't like. As a German, that frightens me. And your last statement shows that are just the type of rabid fanboy who'd defend anything. You proclaim the only thing that matters is your personal opinion and enjoyment but the very moment someone posts anything that hampers his personal fun regarding this anime you leash out to him like a mad dog. ssjokg said: I dont remember anyone from the main cast forgiving Kayaba.If fans think that he is a "good man" it has nothing to do with how Kayaba is presented.Most of the cool and badass charcters that everybody likes are killers anyway. Not directly, but at some points in episode 14 and the current it seems like characters really sympathize with his actions and ideas. Well, it could just be A-1 and the horrible staff, though. |
NidhoeggrDec 16, 2012 11:11 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: whatever123456 said: Are you implying anything could justify the murder of 4000 people? He is insane, that isn't a question of morality. Your post makes it seem like your average 14 year old would be fine with killing thousands of innocents for a dream and is completely devoid of any logic or actual criticism, you are just throwing around insults at every opportunity. oldskoolpunk said: This anime should have ended after the end of the SAO world. That was so well done. I know the manga goes on and on for several more worlds, but the trend is downhill. >manga Wrong. >downhill Wrong again. And yes, I do think a lot of teenagers are prone to like rather simple worldviews. Just look at all the people cheering on kirito torturing Sugou here. Sugou is a pathetic human being, but Kirito is unrerasonably cruel here and it baffles me that so many would support such a cruel act because it is commited against a person they don't like. So if someone had almost raped my gf and he was also the reason she is still trapped somewhere,I dont have the right to meke him regret being born? And serioulsy I dont see the problem in that.If for example I see Guts having a freindly talk with Femto instead of killing him-somehow- I wouldnt be satisfied at all. |
Nidhoeggr said: whatever123456 said: Are you implying anything could justify the murder of 4000 people? He is insane, that isn't a question of morality. Your post makes it seem like your average 14 year old would be fine with killing thousands of innocents for a dream and is completely devoid of any logic or actual criticism, you are just throwing around insults at every opportunity. oldskoolpunk said: This anime should have ended after the end of the SAO world. That was so well done. I know the manga goes on and on for several more worlds, but the trend is downhill. >manga Wrong. >downhill Wrong again. Obviously not, and are you seriously trying to dismiss my statement with such a forced implication? And yes, I do think a lot of teenagers are prone to like rather simple worldviews. Just look at all the people cheering on Kirito torturing Sugou here. Sugou is a pathetic human being, but Kirito is unrerasonably cruel here and it baffles me that so many would support such a cruel act because it is commited against a person they don't like. As a German, that frightens me. And your last statement shows that are just the type of rabid fanboy who'd defend anything. You proclaim the only thing that matters is your personal opinion and enjoyment but the very moment someone posts anything that hampers his personal fun regarding this anime you leash out to him like a mad dog. ssjokg said: I dont remember anyone from the main cast forgiving Kayaba.If fans think that he is a "good man" it has nothing to do with how Kayaba is presented.Most of the cool and badass charcters that everybody likes are killers anyway. Not directly, but at some points in episode 14 and the current it seems like characters are really sympathize with his actions are ideas. Well, it could just be A-1 and the horrible staff, though. They sympathize with his ideas(flying catsle) only, since both of them want/wanted to escape from their reality.Kayaba's dream=/= actions |
| By far the most cheesy and disappointing episode in a very long time. It could have been so much more. My rating started out high for this show, but now I almost find it hard to even give it a 6. |
LeondreDec 16, 2012 11:16 AM
ssjokg said: So if someone had almost raped my gf and he was also the reason she is still trapped somewhere,I dont have the right to meke him regret being born? And serioulsy I dont see the problem in that.If for example I see Guts having a freindly talk with Femto instead of killing him-somehow- I wouldnt be satisfied at all. Ajunky said: If someone raped my girlfriend I would go medieval on him given the opportunity. Heroic? of course not, but it also isn't unreasonable. 1) Guts has other reasons as well and I do think once we return to Falconia we'll be in for alot of suprises. Of course Griffith is a just as much of a giant dick in that situation, but his character overall has a lot more complexity to it and we don't know what kind of reign he established in Falconia. I could actually imagine that the reign might be - on the first and second look - be a good one and that Guts has to face the moral choice of either pursuing revenge and doom the entire population due to this act or act in other unexpected ways. And if you remember the first arc in Berserk, revenge may ultimately be the death of Guts as well as his desire for revenge breeds more revenge thus creating a vicious cycle. Guts ultimately fulfilling his inital goal is not that set in stone as you'd like to believe. Compared to that, the situation in SAO looks very stereotypical and is played just to establish a simple black & white logic. 2) You'd still be arrested in real life. And while I would agree that you might have justness on your side, you certainly do not have the entire support of justice. The fact that we got rid of death sentences in most Western countries is one of the biggest achievements in our justice system. whatever123456 said: Where did I proclaim that the only thing that mattered was my personal opinion? Are you that desperate that you have to make things up to attack my point? I always thought you would agree with ssjokg and the others that enjoyment should be the most important factor when it comes down to rating. If not, you surely agree with my points regarding the state of the SAO adaption. |
NidhoeggrDec 16, 2012 11:24 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: So if someone had almost raped my gf and he was also the reason she is still trapped somewhere,I dont have the right to meke him regret being born? And serioulsy I dont see the problem in that.If for example I see Guts having a freindly talk with Femto instead of killing him-somehow- I wouldnt be satisfied at all. Ajunky said: If someone raped my girlfriend I would go medieval on him given the opportunity. Heroic? of course not, but it also isn't unreasonable. 1) Guts has other reasons as well and I do think once we return to Falconia we'll be in for alot of suprises. Of course Griffith is a just as much of a giant dick in that situation, but his character overall has a lot more complexity to it and we don't know what kind of reign he established in Falconia. I could actually imagine that the reign might be - on the first and second look - be a good one and that Guts has to face the moral choice of either pursuing revenge and doom the entire population due to this act or act in other unexpected ways. And if you remember the first arc in Berserk, revenge may ultimately be the death of Guts as well as his desire for revenged breeds more revenge thus creating a vicious cycle. Compared to that, the situation in SAO looks very stereotypical and is played just to establish a simple black & white logic. 2) You'd still be arrested in real life. And while I would agree that you might have justness on your side, you certainly do not have the entire support of justice. whatever123456 said: Where did I proclaim that the only thing that mattered was my personal opinion? Are you that desperate that you have to make things up to attack my point? I always thought you would agree with ssjokg and the others that enjoyment should be the most important factor when it comes down to rating. If not, you surely agree with my points regarding the state of the SAO adaption. 1)I really dont care.He throw away his companions who thought of him like god for his dream.And while a way better villain than Kayaba I hate him much more because he killed his own men. 2)Irrelevant.It's like saying that I should let him get away because of the law.And obviously at that moment the law is the first think that comes to my mind.... As for justice...well..Although he doesnt know, Kirito(since this argument wasabout him) has "justice" watching his back. |
| Rape and Dismember. Ya, nice epi.. |
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ssjokg said: 1)I really dont care.He throw away his companions who thought of him like god for his dream.And while a way better villain than Kayaba I hate him much more because he killed his own men. 2)Irrelevant.It's like saying that I should let him get away because of the law.And obviously at that moment the law is the first think that comes to my mind.... As for justice...well..Although he doesnt know, Kirito(since this argument wasabout him) has "justice" watching his back. 1. Guts simply killing Griffith would be a very disappointing ending for Berserk and a requiem to Miura's writing skills. 2. I said that you are right to personally want to see the guy suffer, but lynchlaw is horribly biased. Imagine your gf was raped in the dark and she couldn't describe her assaulter very well when a rumour about [guy x] spreads, saying that he was a rapist. You would kill him, but then you would noticed it was just a false rumour. Now what? Of course the situation here is different, but the author is to blame for writing such an imho bland rip-off of an iconic scene. In the end lynchlaw solves nothing and while a lot of states have a justice system that priorizes revenge, I would say that under certain circumstances this is not the right way at all. But let's not derail this discussion into a discourse about law and justice. My point was that SAO oversimplified things to establish an easy-to-get morality. This was used as a cheap satisfaction method and could've been done much better. Would you agree with that? |
NidhoeggrDec 16, 2012 11:37 AM
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minatojs said: ssjokg. got to agree with you. Any person would go crazy with the guy who trapped, and tried to rape your girlfriend while you lay helpless on the floor. Anyone who thinks Kirito was wrong, is obviously not an adult. I just hope it actually had an effect in the real world, so they guy is dead. I think you missed the part when he said that after lvl 3 pain it will affect his real body. Imagine lvl 0 pain. |
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| Really? If you killed someone to free your girlfriend or anyone that might be important to you including family from imprisonment and rape I do not think you will serve much or if any prison time. If you live in the United States it would be a valid form of self defense because there is an implication that the person might be armed and dangerous. |
zzzeallyDec 16, 2012 11:39 AM
Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: 1)I really dont care.He throw away his companions who thought of him like god for his dream.And while a way better villain than Kayaba I hate him much more because he killed his own men. 2)Irrelevant.It's like saying that I should let him get away because of the law.And obviously at that moment the law is the first think that comes to my mind.... As for justice...well..Although he doesnt know, Kirito(since this argument wasabout him) has "justice" watching his back. 1. Guts simply killing Griffith would be a very disappointing ending for Berserk and a requiem to Miura's writing skills. 2. I said that you are right to personally want to see the guy suffer, but lynchlaw is horribly biased. Imagine your gf was raped in the dark and she couldn't describe her assaulter very well when a rumour about [guy x] spreads, saying that he was a rapist. You would kill him, but then you would noticed it was just a false rumour. Now what? Of course the situation here is different, but the author is to blame for writing such an imho bland rip-off of an iconic scene. In the end lynchlaw solves nothing and while a lot of states have a justice system that priorizes revenge, I would say that under certain circumstances this is not the right way at all. But let's not derail this discussion into a discourse about law and justice. My point was that SAO oversimplified things to establish an easy-to-get morality. This was used as a cheap satisfaction method and could've been done much better. Would you agree with that? It's not about solving the problem.When someone wants revenge he/she wont think calmy about it. I dont get why that scene is supposed to show us some kind of morals.It's oversimplified, yes if you mean that the MC didnt even think about it but for me at least that's a good thing for any show.I am honestly tired of "good boy" mcs that let their enemies live. And we have a 16year old who goes berserk when something happens to his gf,if he were to think about torturing him that would be out of character.For this scene to be different Kirito should have been somehwt different |
| I thought it was obvious from episode 1 we weren't watching this show for subtlety? *dramatic wolf kill at the end" |
Immahnoob said: The most he could have is nerve damage for some time.minatojs said: ssjokg. got to agree with you. Any person would go crazy with the guy who trapped, and tried to rape your girlfriend while you lay helpless on the floor. Anyone who thinks Kirito was wrong, is obviously not an adult. I just hope it actually had an effect in the real world, so they guy is dead. I think you missed the part when he said that after lvl 3 pain it will affect his real body. Imagine lvl 0 pain. |
ssjokg said: It's not about solving the problem.When someone wants revenge he/she wont think calmy about it. I dont get why that scene is supposed to show us some kind of morals.It's oversimplified, yes if you mean that the MC didnt even think about it but for me at least that's a good thing for any show.I am honestly tired of "good boy" mcs that let their enemies live. And we have a 16year old who goes berserk when something happens to his gf,if he were to think about torturing him that would be out of character.For this scene to be different Kirito should have been somehwt different Think about it this way: Why did the author decide to do this scene in such a specific way? Because it is simple: You give the readers a very easy reason to hate Sugou, you can easily justify Kirito being mad and the pain system is a good way to satisfy people who don't like Sugou. it is the most easy way to resolve the situation, but it is overly convenient. Sugou is - at least I thought this way - a rather intelligent individual when it does not come down to video games. The fact that he would so much depend on a field of epertise he is not that firm with is used here to give Kirito easy access to methods that could defeat him - be it the access card or other devices that were shown here. My point is: Why does the author always want to resolve arcs in such a direct and simplified way when he has created a world that would enable him to do much, MUCH more with it? SAO was the same with Asuna taking Kirito's hit because of power-of-love enabled movement, Kirito not dying when he was killed, etc. I don't know that much about the LN, but the anime makes it seem like the author is really pushing forwards to these simple conclusions instead of offering us a different approach. Why does everything have to be resolved online when ALO introduced a few offline characters that would make for an interesting plot as well? Why does the author always use the clicheed methods to end the arc? In my opinion it is because he is bit afraid of his own fans, who might not like a resolution that would differ too much from their initial perception of it. Just like you would most likely have a problem when Griffith would not die in Berserk, a lot of SAO fans would probably be very unsatisfied when Sugou doesn't suffer horribly for what he has done to Asuna. But why in such a clicheed way? Can't the author strive for more or does he just what the fans want because he fears lower sales (a bit unlikely for me, as apparently this stuff was already written before it was licensed due to the success of Accel World)? He has a lot of potential in this world, both on- and offline, but it seems he is ignoring this potential on purose to strive for the most simple solution - at least that's the impression I get from the anime. And that is regreattable because it could be so much more, tons of wasted potential. |
NidhoeggrDec 16, 2012 12:27 PM
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ssjokg said: Immahnoob said: The most he could have is nerve damage for some time.minatojs said: ssjokg. got to agree with you. Any person would go crazy with the guy who trapped, and tried to rape your girlfriend while you lay helpless on the floor. Anyone who thinks Kirito was wrong, is obviously not an adult. I just hope it actually had an effect in the real world, so they guy is dead. I think you missed the part when he said that after lvl 3 pain it will affect his real body. Imagine lvl 0 pain. What? Shouldn't he be like dead or crazy after all that happened? Feeling so much pain (obviously, he can't be in a shock for him to not feel pain) should have done severe damage to his brain. |
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whatever123456 said: Oh, and you are contradicting yourself. In one post, you complained about the morality where someone who killed 4000 people seems to be a good guy and one post later you complained about the black and white morality. There is a difference. Kayaba was presented in the anime to be partially liked by characters that had no reason to do so, while in Sugou's case all ambiguity was thrown overboard to present us a simple solution. They are different characters and should treated differently, but I can't help to think that the anime staff didn't really know what to make out of them. If the anime wants to present us moral ambiguity, go all the way with it like you tried to do with Kayaba. If the anime staff wants to have simple black & white morality, go all the way through with it like you did with Sugou. I simply don't get what the anime staff is trying to do with this anime and it is frustrating because I seriously belive they don't have the slighest idea either. Takuan_Soho said: Now again the Light Novel covers this far better than the animation, that is one of the small themes that Kawahara covers (how the judicial system dealt with the play-killers is one example) abundantly (as well as Kirito's non-forgiveness of Kayaba). The animation due to time restraints did simplify things dramatically, but fiction is all about dispensing justice, often a higher form of justice than the law can administer. If you want to condemn SAO for it, then stop reading Sherlock Holmes or for that matter nearly every detective novel, because in nearly ALL adventure and mystery novels, the protagonist ends up dealing a higher form of justice. If you want subtlety, don't watch Shounen animation. The nice thing about SAO the animation was that its morality was melodramatic. Good guys win, bad guys were punished. Many animations have bad guys, people who did horrible things including mass murder, escape justice because they simply changed their minds and joined the good guy (the ultimate ends justify the means). At least SAO doesn't play that game. In an age where every villain is "conflicted" often with justification for his evil, it is refreshing to have someone like Sugou, someone who demonstrates Lord Acton's maxim about "power corrupts", and it is satisfying to see such a person get punished. I do like villians that are evil just for the sake of being evil, but the thing is - and I think this is fault of the anime staff as well - that Sugou comes off as a failure of that trope. Dio and other popular examples all are so atricously evil and successful with it that they receive a lot of build-up and hype so the audience patiently waits for the final fight against them. But in the SAO anime, I never got the feeling that Kirito could actually not achieve something when literally everything Sugou did was flawed. This was a real bummer as there was simply no drama ot tension, no real impact involved here. And for an anime that thrives on such things, this is not a good sign. |
NidhoeggrDec 16, 2012 12:34 PM
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| What did Sugou did wrong? Don't take everything as granted if you want to discuss these things. I'm still floating around here, picking up targets like you, you know. |
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| My point is that it comes off as a bit strange. Kayaba was really presented as someone who had good, albeit simple and most likely typically "evil" reasons to create SAO with its specific conditions, when he was presented totally different then many people expected him to behave in episode 14 and afterwards. The fact that the anime clearly supported this direction was a bit suprising as well. Sugou, on the other hand, seems like a character that has much more complex reasons than we initially get to know only to be revealed to be a rather bland and stereotypic villian type. It might just be the very different outcome from most initial expectation of anime-only watchers, but really: I think both villians could be presented a lot better and given better build-up to actually make them more important. |
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Takuan_Soho said: The nice thing about SAO the animation was that its morality was melodramatic. Good guys win, bad guys were punished. Many animations have bad guys, people who did horrible things including mass murder, escape justice because they simply changed their minds and joined the good guy (the ultimate ends justify the means). At least SAO doesn't play that game. In an age where every villain is "conflicted" often with justification for his evil, it is refreshing to have someone like Sugou, someone who demonstrates Lord Acton's maxim about "power corrupts", and it is satisfying to see such a person get punished. Well, the way he was punished though was childish. Seriously, I thought I was watching a Mortal Kombat fatality. |
Nidhoeggr said: Why does everything have to be resolved online when ALO introduced a few offline characters that would make for an interesting plot as well? Why does the author always use the clicheed methods to end the arc? The last ep isnt aired yet.But we will have other things to argue about that next time. After SAO both ALO and GGO resolved IRL.Underworld from what I learned has some big issues going on IRL while Kirito is in the game.Of course future arcs are irrelevant. Cliche you mean Kirito saving the day?I thought that you had come to terms with that.XD |
SetsukoHara said: I thought it as well.The mechanics really did change for that battle.Takuan_Soho said: The nice thing about SAO the animation was that its morality was melodramatic. Good guys win, bad guys were punished. Many animations have bad guys, people who did horrible things including mass murder, escape justice because they simply changed their minds and joined the good guy (the ultimate ends justify the means). At least SAO doesn't play that game. In an age where every villain is "conflicted" often with justification for his evil, it is refreshing to have someone like Sugou, someone who demonstrates Lord Acton's maxim about "power corrupts", and it is satisfying to see such a person get punished. Well, the way he was punished though was childish. Seriously, I thought I was watching a Mortal Kombat fatality. |
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