Tavor said: Tsumayouji said: I tend to hate it when it's shown as the "logical" fix to a situation and perfectly and effectively absolves an argument and gets the characters all buddy-buddy again. That's just so outside the realm of reality, and it bugs me that some people watch those fictional interactions and then think that that's how you solve arguments and build healthy relationships. There are some anime I actually really like because a girl will hit the guy and then he'll slap her right back (like Double Zeta with Elle and Beecha, for example...this is also the ONLY time I approve of Beecha even remotely). The reason being that it just goes to show that hitting people just because you disagree with them or are upset isn't cool and if you get assaulted, it's within your right to hit 'em back. The only exceptions to this are: 1) If it's a villain doing the slapping, as some others have pointed out (the villain is evil, so the slap isn't meant at all to be a "healthy" device for solving an argument/fixing a relationship) 2) It's an adult character slapping a younger child character who really deserves it for being an idiot/disrespectful. I see inconsistency in this. Usually if you disagree with someone in the heat of an argument, you'll find justification to slap because he or she is an idiot. The way I see it, sometimes a slap brings a person back to reality and to take a deep breath and reconsider what he or she said. Note that key term for me though was "AN ADULT" character slapping a "YOUNGER CHILD" character. Kids don't typically have the same level of reasoning as their brains are not developed, so slapping them (and note there's a big difference between a non-abusive slap and an abusive punch, or even a slap on the cheek that leaves a momentarily red spot and a slap that splits a lip or sends you flying), is usually a good form of "hey, not appropriate behavior!" correction. But if you're both the same age, peers, or romantic interests, then that's not an okay way to settle an argument. You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally. And two kids hitting each other doesn't work because, again, they aren't mature and don't have the same capacity to think rationally, so they're just being violent because they are upset they aren't getting their way. So no, I was not contradicting myself. Further, just stop and think about it. If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize? Or what about your significant other? Would you be down for a slap if you had an argument? I guess in some fringe cases, a slap could be an okay method for appealing to someone. But those situations are extremely rare, and oftentimes, you can still get the same result without a slap. Further, in anime, the reasoning for slapping someone is usually completely ludicrous. There are some exceptions. Again, see the Bright slap. Amuro gets slapped because they're in the middle of a freaking war where many lives are at stake, and Amuro doesn't want to pilot the Gundam (he's the only one who can) because he feels under-appreciated since they aren't throwing parties for him. So his commanding officer, who is older than he is and a legal adult, slaps him because Amuro is acting like the child that he is, and they frankly don't have time for a pity party. Now that's a reeeeaaaallly different situation than a the typical female character slapping a guy because he doesn't understand that she likes him. |
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Tsumayouji said: Note that key term for me though was "AN ADULT" character slapping a "YOUNGER CHILD" character. Kids don't typically have the same level of reasoning as their brains are not developed, so slapping them (and note there's a big difference between a non-abusive slap and an abusive punch, or even a slap on the cheek that leaves a momentarily red spot and a slap that splits a lip or sends you flying), is usually a good form of "hey, not appropriate behavior!" correction. But if you're both the same age, peers, or romantic interests, then that's not an okay way to settle an argument. You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally. And two kids hitting each other doesn't work because, again, they aren't mature and don't have the same capacity to think rationally, so they're just being violent because they are upset they aren't getting their way. So no, I was not contradicting myself. Further, just stop and think about it. If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize? Or what about your significant other? Would you be down for a slap if you had an argument? I guess in some fringe cases, a slap could be an okay method for appealing to someone. But those situations are extremely rare, and oftentimes, you can still get the same result without a slap. Further, in anime, the reasoning for slapping someone is usually completely ludicrous. There are some exceptions. Again, see the Bright slap. Amuro gets slapped because they're in the middle of a freaking war where many lives are at stake, and Amuro doesn't want to pilot the Gundam (he's the only one who can) because he feels under-appreciated since they aren't throwing parties for him. So his commanding officer, who is older than he is and a legal adult, slaps him because Amuro is acting like the child that he is, and they frankly don't have time for a pity party. Now that's a reeeeaaaallly different situation than a the typical female character slapping a guy because he doesn't understand that she likes him. You're giving too much credit to someone who is older than someone else. There's quite a handful of adults that still act childish that probably should be slapped by someone younger than that adult who in fact has more maturity. While yes, in regard to, "You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally." I would agree, but that's not always the case. Person A is fuming head over heels to person B as person B is trying to consul person A calmly, in that case, a slap may be necessary to have person A cooldown enough to have a more civilized conversation. And I'm not trying to counter your points about "If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize?" because yes, that person has a silly way of trying to get that person he or she slapped to recognize he or she loves that person. |
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| No unless if it's really too much but it doesn't really bother me either. |
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| i have no problem with girls hitting guys and vice versa, any other train of thought is sexism |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| If it's for a bad reason/ no reason then it can be kind of strange and sometimes even annoying. Meh. |
| This is like... uh... anything, isn't it? It all will depend on several situational factors and the development of the characters and their interactions, but is not by itself a bothering situation for me. |
| Personally.... For me it really depends on the situation... When it's one of those generic Anime with a loli tsundere as the heroine, and a pretty tough MC, and the Mc despite the fact he tries to fight back, gets reamed up the ass every time they have an arguement... Just way too unrealistic for me... :| Atleast in Bakemonogatari the loli still loses the fights, even if just by a little.... |
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| Only if they really deserve it. When it's for something dumb, then it really bothers me. Main reason why I feel negative about tsunderes , they hit boys for the absolute dumbest things. And in real life , you'd lose friends quick like that..like who wants to around someone who constantly abuses them. They'd have to be REEEAAAALLLYY attractive to me. |
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| Yea it pisses me off when abuse is portrayed ok, and even for comedic effect, when it is female on male. Basically, if the genders were reversed, there would be a whole shitstorm of people whining about sexism and abuse. 99% of the situations involve something that is completely out of the male character's control, or even the female character's fault. Honestly, situations where the male character gets his ass kicked for no good reason make me roll my eyes. For me, it does two things: portray the female character as an annoying, insufferable bitch, and portray the male character as an incompetent idiot who is unable to use proper words/stand up for himself. It just creates nothing but negative emotion and is completely unfunny. I'll never understand the masochistic attitude that japanese men/boys seem to have, as this trope is so overwhelmingly popular in almost every genre of anime. However, if the male character deserves to be hit, then no, it does not bother me. |
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| If it comes from a retarded tsundere yes. But what bothers me more if that the guy doesn't try to defend himself or anything, it's stupid. |
Vanisher said: If it comes from a retarded tsundere yes. But what bothers me more if that the guy doesn't try to defend himself or anything, it's stupid. Pretty much this. If a girl (most of the time a tsundre) does it over and over in like evry single episode and doesn't have a good reason for it other than that the guy was looking at another girl character in the series, the other girls are flirting with him, or she thinks that he's "sexually harassing' her, then yes, that bugs me so much. Anime where this happens? Oh, I wonder *coughZeronoTsukaimacough* If the girl is strong and she doesn't do it very often and she's not being abusive or anything, then all right. That's fine. It depends if the guy deserved it for not. And no, looking at another girl is NOT a valid reason. (-___-) I'M TALKING TO YOU, LOUISE!!! |
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| Depends on the context of course, but the frequently seen situation where it happens without adequate reason and the text itself seems to condone the action, treating abusive behaviour as a normal and natural part of human relationships? Yeah, I object to that. |
Tavor said: Tsumayouji said: Note that key term for me though was "AN ADULT" character slapping a "YOUNGER CHILD" character. Kids don't typically have the same level of reasoning as their brains are not developed, so slapping them (and note there's a big difference between a non-abusive slap and an abusive punch, or even a slap on the cheek that leaves a momentarily red spot and a slap that splits a lip or sends you flying), is usually a good form of "hey, not appropriate behavior!" correction. But if you're both the same age, peers, or romantic interests, then that's not an okay way to settle an argument. You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally. And two kids hitting each other doesn't work because, again, they aren't mature and don't have the same capacity to think rationally, so they're just being violent because they are upset they aren't getting their way. So no, I was not contradicting myself. Further, just stop and think about it. If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize? Or what about your significant other? Would you be down for a slap if you had an argument? I guess in some fringe cases, a slap could be an okay method for appealing to someone. But those situations are extremely rare, and oftentimes, you can still get the same result without a slap. Further, in anime, the reasoning for slapping someone is usually completely ludicrous. There are some exceptions. Again, see the Bright slap. Amuro gets slapped because they're in the middle of a freaking war where many lives are at stake, and Amuro doesn't want to pilot the Gundam (he's the only one who can) because he feels under-appreciated since they aren't throwing parties for him. So his commanding officer, who is older than he is and a legal adult, slaps him because Amuro is acting like the child that he is, and they frankly don't have time for a pity party. Now that's a reeeeaaaallly different situation than a the typical female character slapping a guy because he doesn't understand that she likes him. You're giving too much credit to someone who is older than someone else. There's quite a handful of adults that still act childish that probably should be slapped by someone younger than that adult who in fact has more maturity. While yes, in regard to, "You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally." I would agree, but that's not always the case. Person A is fuming head over heels to person B as person B is trying to consul person A calmly, in that case, a slap may be necessary to have person A cooldown enough to have a more civilized conversation. And I'm not trying to counter your points about "If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize?" because yes, that person has a silly way of trying to get that person he or she slapped to recognize he or she loves that person. Gonna have to disagree with you on that. If Person B is honestly trying to "consul" Person A, then no, slapping them is not a good means of "getting them to calm down" just so you can then consul them. If they're that upset, you just leave and let them cool off on their own before you approach them again. I have yet to actually encounter an actual person who slapped his friend in the midst of a disagreement where that somehow made it end nicely, especially in a situation where said slapper was trying to be the other's consul. Have you ever achieved this? If so, I'll happily rethink my position. |
Tsumayouji said: Tavor said: Tsumayouji said: Note that key term for me though was "AN ADULT" character slapping a "YOUNGER CHILD" character. Kids don't typically have the same level of reasoning as their brains are not developed, so slapping them (and note there's a big difference between a non-abusive slap and an abusive punch, or even a slap on the cheek that leaves a momentarily red spot and a slap that splits a lip or sends you flying), is usually a good form of "hey, not appropriate behavior!" correction. But if you're both the same age, peers, or romantic interests, then that's not an okay way to settle an argument. You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally. And two kids hitting each other doesn't work because, again, they aren't mature and don't have the same capacity to think rationally, so they're just being violent because they are upset they aren't getting their way. So no, I was not contradicting myself. Further, just stop and think about it. If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize? Or what about your significant other? Would you be down for a slap if you had an argument? I guess in some fringe cases, a slap could be an okay method for appealing to someone. But those situations are extremely rare, and oftentimes, you can still get the same result without a slap. Further, in anime, the reasoning for slapping someone is usually completely ludicrous. There are some exceptions. Again, see the Bright slap. Amuro gets slapped because they're in the middle of a freaking war where many lives are at stake, and Amuro doesn't want to pilot the Gundam (he's the only one who can) because he feels under-appreciated since they aren't throwing parties for him. So his commanding officer, who is older than he is and a legal adult, slaps him because Amuro is acting like the child that he is, and they frankly don't have time for a pity party. Now that's a reeeeaaaallly different situation than a the typical female character slapping a guy because he doesn't understand that she likes him. You're giving too much credit to someone who is older than someone else. There's quite a handful of adults that still act childish that probably should be slapped by someone younger than that adult who in fact has more maturity. While yes, in regard to, "You should both respect each other and be mature enough to handle your differences verbally." I would agree, but that's not always the case. Person A is fuming head over heels to person B as person B is trying to consul person A calmly, in that case, a slap may be necessary to have person A cooldown enough to have a more civilized conversation. And I'm not trying to counter your points about "If a friend slapped you because you two had a disagreement (and in the case of an anime, the disagreement is you usually not realizing that the other person likes you), would you really be cool if they just hit you and then expected you to apologize?" because yes, that person has a silly way of trying to get that person he or she slapped to recognize he or she loves that person. Gonna have to disagree with you on that. If Person B is honestly trying to "consul" Person A, then no, slapping them is not a good means of "getting them to calm down" just so you can then consul them. If they're that upset, you just leave and let them cool off on their own before you approach them again. I have yet to actually encounter an actual person who slapped his friend in the midst of a disagreement where that somehow made it end nicely, especially in a situation where said slapper was trying to be the other's consul. Have you ever achieved this? If so, I'll happily rethink my position. I'll concede to this then. Point taken. |
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Churuya_San said: who wants to be around someone who constantly abuses them? |
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Deziah said: Churuya_San said: who wants to be around someone who constantly abuses them? lmfao but also this guy  |
Vanisher said: If it comes from a retarded tsundere yes. But what bothers me more if that the guy doesn't try to defend himself or anything, it's stupid. Basically this, most of the times. |
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naens said: I find it out of place and out of character. For example in One Piece. If Luffy really wants to do what he wants to do he should be able to avoid this kind of "accidents". And if he's really the captain he should be able to make sure that doesn't happen otherwise it's like a Blackbeard (or Usopp) incident. How the hell is this out of character in One Piece? Precisely the fact that Luffy isn't a model captain with full authority skills is an important character trait of him and is developed through the series. |
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Animefreak17a said: lina from slayers she pisses me off it depends on the situation Why? Lina hits everyone and everything, regardless of gender. That, and she actually fights powerful male enemies, instead of just "abusing" her male companions. Hell, even if they did try to defend themselves, she'd burn their asses into a crisp in an actual fight. |
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| If it is a slap that shows affection , I don't mind it. If it's a "know your place ,I'm fabulous" slap , the bitch better be expecting a mawashi geri. |
| If the girl is annoying, then yes. However if the girl is cute, then I am fine with it. I wish cute girls would hit me or step on me. Bare feet. |
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lastsense said: I wish cute girls would hit me or step on me. Bare feet. That kind of defective attitude is what makes you pride mutilated to the extent of never getting any. |
JavierR said: lastsense said: If the girl is annoying, then yes. However if the girl is cute, then I am fine with it. I wish cute girls would hit me or step on me. Bare feet. M? I never knew people admitted to having that kind of fetish... well not on this forum at least. I actually came across a user here that had a fetish for umbrellas and feet. |
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| I'll be annoyed if the guy did nothing wrong. (Walking into a girls' room without knocking and saw her changing = he deserve it) But if the guy is being stupid, trying something perverted or things along the line... Then go ahead and send him flying across the room. |
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| ^ Agreed. For example, if there's a tsundere doing that, I'll definitely end up disliking her. |
Face_Faith said: ^ Agreed. For example, if there's a tsundere doing that, I'll definitely end up disliking her. What about a hot tsundere with big tits ? |
| No. Whenever I see it, it's usually for comedy so I don't mind it. The only time it pisses me off is when it happens over and over again. |
Nabris said: No. Whenever I see it, it's usually for comedy so I don't mind it. The only time it pisses me off is when it happens over and over again.  You called? |
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Nabris said: No. Whenever I see it, it's usually for comedy so I don't mind it. The only time it pisses me off is when it happens over and over again. Running gags are running gags because of how effect they are at entertaining the target audience. Not enjoying something so integral to the show when the writers and fans are enjoying it usually means you simply are not the target audience. It's pretty easy to find things that will work for you and avoid the things that won't. |
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Deziah said: It generally doesn't bother me, but.... When done in a comedic fashion, like in Shuffle! where Asa slapped Rin on the back when greeting him, I really don't mind. But when it goes too far, like in Girls Bravo, I find it distasteful. The main character gets abused regularly by the opposite gender. And he got murked by his female childhood "friend" (who broke into his house and used his shower) for walking into HIS own fucking house and into HIS own bathroom. Haven't seen Girls Bravo (for this reason and others), but I pretty much agree with this. It's a contributing factor why I hate most tsunderes. And MC's that cop it from said tsunderes on a regular basis and don't straighten them out. |
| saito and louise is my only exception the other ones piss me off like when sakura always hitting naruto |
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| What are you talking about about, Naruto's strongest dude is getting smacked around? are you talking about Naruto or Tobi? because neither of them are being being smacked around?!? I think the girls in Naruto are pretty weak as well so yeah.... As for answering the question I don't really mind unless it gets incessant and happens for some of the smallest shit. |
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D_eidara said: What are you talking about about, Naruto's strongest dude is getting smacked around? are you talking about Naruto or Tobi? because neither of them are being being smacked around?!? I think the girls in Naruto are pretty weak as well so yeah.... As for answering the question I don't really mind unless it gets incessant and happens for some of the smallest shit. Maybe not recently, but Sakura used to hit Naruto all the time. |
| Yes it's very annoying. The only time violence is justified is in self-defense. If it's done for comedy, then it should be done for both genders, no? If a man is doing it to a woman it's treated as serious but if a woman is doing it to a man it's comedy. That kind of double standard really pisses me off. |
| Depends. If the girl character is an annoying one, then yes, it would piss me off. |
| The only time it bugged me was in the Little Busters novel. I mean, I kinda felt bad for Muscle. Rin was really bullying him the whole time, that bitch. |
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| No, It makes me mad when guys hit women :( |
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SaberEdge said: Yeah Sakura has always been strong, and she used to hit Naruto for no good reason. She hits him even though he's the one who helps her the most, I wouldn't be surprised if she messed up a part of a mission while she was hitting him.D_eidara said: What are you talking about about, Naruto's strongest dude is getting smacked around? are you talking about Naruto or Tobi? because neither of them are being being smacked around?!? I think the girls in Naruto are pretty weak as well so yeah.... As for answering the question I don't really mind unless it gets incessant and happens for some of the smallest shit. Maybe not recently, but Sakura used to hit Naruto all the time. |
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