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| Finally an anime where people actually die! Good break from the past few action anime I have seen. I have high hopes for this series. |
MessageInTime said: That's exactly why this whole argument is so ridiculously asinine. You're supposed to be able to put together that he was framed from the fact that the judge stated that there was overwhelming evidence and the fact that his defense lawyer was someone involved with the prison that he was sent to. The details of exactly how he was framed are no more relevant to the story than how he was transported from the courtroom to prison. If you are looking for the type of story that would include details like that, then tvtropes has an excellent article on various media that you would enjoy.Lol at this guy complaining that it wasn't explained. They didn't fucking show how he was prosecuted, they just showed that he was prosecuted. Don't complain about details left out when only the sentencing was shown. |
Lind_L_Tailor said: Monad said: Lind_L_Tailor said: Dusk252 said: You're completely missing the point. Namely, the aspects that do not differ from reality, and how they are bungled so badly that the suspension of disbelief is impossible to maintain for anytone with half a brain.I have one thing to say in this thread: People, if you're looking for plot holes, search them within the anime's context, do NOT compare it to reality. Seriously, you're watching a fictional story! If something is unrealistic and/or contradicts itself in the world set up by the anime, then it's reasonable to complain. But someone getting framed for a murder, in some kind of post-apocalyptic world where the judicial system is obviously corrupted and people seem to be back to the gladiators era is perfectly conceivable, in my opinion. Oh! please stop trying to be such a smartass. From when did you form a full opinion of what aspects of this world interact completely with our reality when it was just the first episode? And even in reality when the system(police,judges etc) is corrupted they can make pigs fly. Who cares how the scene looked when the police doesn't bother investigating seriously or they even want to frame a person. They wanted to throw him in jail and they did it. If you think that's unrealistic then you only judge "realism" by serious movies and books that try to be very realistic and not by real reality. Because believe me reality is a lot more unrealistic than you think. There are cases and events that happened in reality that if a guy like you saw them in an anime would be objecting on how unrealistic they are. Reality is more outrageous than your own mediocre life experiences. And in the end is still pointless because the show never claimed that the system works like in our world, and is naive to judge the whole image of it's world from the first episode. Yeah, way to try and distract from the point. The character reactions still make no sense. If the police were completely corrupt in their job and made shit up, this is a reality I can easily accept. The problem is that this is not for one second a reality we're presented with. With the absence of these points being brought up, they are not fuel for the defense, but plotholes. Also, I think you mean "stop being such a smartass". I'm completely succeeding and you know it. Trying isn't the word. It wont be explained till later. Stop reading so much into it when it's only the first ep. They did the things they did to give the viewer a sense of "This is so fucked up! Something isn't right here!" which apparently worked considering all the people bitching about how the kid got send to DeadMan Wonderland without any evidence. I'm happy with the start. They did leave out a few small details that where in the manga but I'm sure they'll bring them up in the next episode. |
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| Did not disappoint ^^. So happy that Shiro's voice fits her character, I was quite worried about that O.o... I'm a little disappointed in the murder scene, could have been more graphic like the manga... but oh well, the rest was great XD I just hope the rest of the story tries to stay with the manga or I'll be pretty upset XD |
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| It was pretty amazing for a first episode if you ask me. I was interested in the manga to begin with, but never got to reading it - so can't say I'm disappointed with this ep. |
| Awesome start! 9/10 |
MessageInTime said: Yeah, I'm not going to repeat myself. You clearly weren't actually listening to my point.They didn't fucking show how he was prosecuted, they just showed that he was prosecuted. Don't complain about details left out when only the sentencing was shown. wakka9ca said: This is true. But it was a very badly used plot device that threw off the suspension of disbelief for many, many people.Anyone can see that it was a plot device to create the settings. wakka9ca said: Because their reason for arresting him doesn't make sense.Then again, why wouldn't they NOT believe the authority? wakka9ca said: Slight problem here: Ganta says nothing of this. I can't help but think that he'd have previously been in utter shock if any false evidence was presented, given what happened with the video.No one said the evidence was not there. It's very easy to make up an evidence if a powerful group (one that controls Japan) agrees to it. wakka9ca said: This, on the other hand, is a good point. Admittedly the entire premise is extremely eyebrow--raising, but I'm willing to let it slide for now. However, you're neglecting to realize that, barring things that I'm not aware of, Ganta has at least a few people who care about him. Said people should undoubtedly think something is up. On which note, I think it's ridiculous how his (dead) friend's dad did not for one second believe in him. I figured I should bring this up now because somebody will inevitably try and use him as a counter. I'm not taking him being screwy in the head because of his daughter's death as an excuse. I don't care how broken he is at this point, this isn't an excuse to betray someone you considered like your own son. He would at least have the patience to try and believe him. Which he doesn't.Also, why would the public or anyone care about the main character at all? They don't even care if prisoners are treated like toys and circus amusements. In fact, the public enjoy Deadman Wonderland. Obviously whatever human right group's presence is so negligible that DW can run for years without problems. We are talking about a different Japan, one that completely changed after the the incident. A completely corrupted society on all levels. The norms of the society as a whole changed. What is not normal today doesn't mean it's not normal in that world. If you meet some of the inmates in the prison, you'll wonder. As far you may know, the main character is far from being the only child in the prison, nor is he the only child on the death row. It's a common thing in the world created by the author LOL. wakka9ca said: You were on a roll with the good points until this. :/Also by this mentality, controlling blood defies any scientific theory I know of. This series must be shit and full of plot holes then. Overall, anime is unrealistic. It's so full of bullshit and improbable plot holes. Using this ideology, I can bash any of the series you can throw at me. Unrealistic stuff like superpowers etc. does not come under the same branch as human reaction. Superpowers are a concession from reality that shows have to make. This is obviously fine. Humans reacting in ways humans don't react, on the other hand, is not. This is quite a silly argument to make. "It has special powers so the plot doesn't have to make sense"? HAH! DeathfireD said: They did the things they did to give the viewer a sense of "This is so fucked up! Something isn't right here!" which apparently worked considering all the people bitching about how the kid got send to DeadMan Wonderland without any evidence. Yes, and they didn't do it right. I can tell what they were trying to do, thank you very much. |
| For those of you who haven't read the manga, do so. There's so much material that won't be covered in this 12 episode season, and there are so many plot holes in the anime adaption. Oh and Lind_L_Tailor, I'd suggest you read the manga, and at any rate I'm pretty sure "plot" isn't what this series is for, it's more akin to "Saw: The Animation." |
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Asteradragon said: I'd honestly rather not. Gorn is not my thing.For those of you who haven't read the manga, do so. There's so much material that won't be covered in this 12 episode season, and there are so many plot holes in the anime adaption. Oh and Lind_L_Tailor, I'd suggest you read the manga, and at any rate I'm pretty sure "plot" isn't what this series is for, it's more akin to "Saw: The Animation." |
| Man, the seiyuu for Ganta and Shirou are just perfect! Shirou has a great cute, childish voice without getting annoying, which is pretty impressive imo. So far looking like a great adaption of an awesome manga, can't wait for more! |
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Lind_L_Tailor said: MessageInTime said: Yeah, I'm not going to repeat myself. You clearly weren't actually listening to my point.They didn't fucking show how he was prosecuted, they just showed that he was prosecuted. Don't complain about details left out when only the sentencing was shown. wakka9ca said: This is true. But it was a very badly used plot device that threw off the suspension of disbelief for many, many people.Anyone can see that it was a plot device to create the settings. wakka9ca said: Because their reason for arresting him doesn't make sense.Then again, why wouldn't they NOT believe the authority? wakka9ca said: Slight problem here: Ganta says nothing of this. I can't help but think that he'd have previously been in utter shock if any false evidence was presented, given what happened with the video.No one said the evidence was not there. It's very easy to make up an evidence if a powerful group (one that controls Japan) agrees to it. wakka9ca said: This, on the other hand, is a good point. Admittedly the entire premise is extremely eyebrow--raising, but I'm willing to let it slide for now. However, you're neglecting to realize that, barring things that I'm not aware of, Ganta has at least a few people who care about him. Said people should undoubtedly think something is up. On which note, I think it's ridiculous how his (dead) friend's dad did not for one second believe in him. I figured I should bring this up now because somebody will inevitably try and use him as a counter. I'm not taking him being screwy in the head because of his daughter's death as an excuse. I don't care how broken he is at this point, this isn't an excuse to betray someone you considered like your own son. He would at least have the patience to try and believe him. Which he doesn't.Also, why would the public or anyone care about the main character at all? They don't even care if prisoners are treated like toys and circus amusements. In fact, the public enjoy Deadman Wonderland. Obviously whatever human right group's presence is so negligible that DW can run for years without problems. We are talking about a different Japan, one that completely changed after the the incident. A completely corrupted society on all levels. The norms of the society as a whole changed. What is not normal today doesn't mean it's not normal in that world. If you meet some of the inmates in the prison, you'll wonder. As far you may know, the main character is far from being the only child in the prison, nor is he the only child on the death row. It's a common thing in the world created by the author LOL. wakka9ca said: You were on a roll with the good points until this. :/Also by this mentality, controlling blood defies any scientific theory I know of. This series must be shit and full of plot holes then. Overall, anime is unrealistic. It's so full of bullshit and improbable plot holes. Using this ideology, I can bash any of the series you can throw at me. Unrealistic stuff like superpowers etc. does not come under the same branch as human reaction. Superpowers are a concession from reality that shows have to make. This is obviously fine. Humans reacting in ways humans don't react, on the other hand, is not. This is quite a silly argument to make. "It has special powers so the plot doesn't have to make sense"? HAH! DeathfireD said: They did the things they did to give the viewer a sense of "This is so fucked up! Something isn't right here!" which apparently worked considering all the people bitching about how the kid got send to DeadMan Wonderland without any evidence. Yes, and they didn't do it right. I can tell what they were trying to do, thank you very much. My god you are so full of shit. I have never seen so much pointless nitpicking of nothing. First your three points. -No one ever tried to bother with any gaps on the prosecutors arguments because the trial was ricked (btw how that hell to you know how the prosecutor presented his case? You don't You know shit about it). That was the job of the defense attorney and he was doing anything but defending. Why are you wondering about something simple as that? NO some guy from the audience isn't gonna jump and play the defense attorney. Now that shit would have been unrealistic. - The explosion or whatever that red man did of course is unexplained. Why? Because the ones that should investigate about it never did. They didn't give a fuck!!!! IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? And no, the people of the city aren't gonna play detectives. Do you get up from your TV when they arrest someone to go and see the crime scene, to see if the evidence confirm the story the police released on the news? And NO they have nothing to be afraid of because they are the authority. Who's gonna arrest them? Yes they can do whatever the shit they like and that's how they do it in the real world too btw. Just go and see the list of complains against the police by people. They almost always get away with whatever they do. - Whether the video was presented or not it makes no difference because for the father of the girl to have it on the phone it means the video was already leaked to public and every damn soul in the country already knew about it including the judges. But even if the video was not viewed how does anyone expect the kid to win the trial when his defense attorney tries to send him in jail? When you have no defense the only thing left is accusations that get no response and make you look guilty. Now about some staff you said in the above post. The reaction you expect from that girls father means nothing really. Who died and made YOU the king of human psychology? "I'm not taking him being screwy in the head because of his daughter's death as an excuse. I don't care how broken he is at this point, this isn't an excuse to betray someone you considered like your own son." Hell fucking yeah you will take it! You will take it and shove it deep into your brain. Thinking the worst of him after seeing that video and while being crash by his daughter death is not strange at all. Who the hell you think you are claiming that such reaction is impossible? You don't know so shut-up. Besides different people react differently, there is not only one natural way of reacting for every thing. Your claims about human reactions as of the father example above shows, are thinner than ice. Their reactions where just fine. And don't preach to us about supernatural and human reactions. You gladly gave TTGL a high score and their reactions as humans in that show where as much pulled as their crazy supernatural staff. That didn't bother you and now you come do judge human reactions in a supernatural show ten times more realistic in terms of human reactions? Heck, most anime in general have stranger reactions. What about all those harems, shoujos, shounens and staff? Fuck 99% of anime is more unrealistic than the reactions in this episode!! So please give me a break. You just can't admit that you are wrong. |
MonadApr 21, 2011 12:31 AM
| Deadman Wonderland is officially the best anime of the season. Didn’t like how they killed off all the characters at first but other than that it was great. It has blood, action, violence and romance (well kinda since I thought him and Mimi would become a couple in the series) just before the massacre. Overall a great start to the series. |
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Vhaeraun said: I don't know about you but i know i would have some mental issues after seeing all my friends dead bodies like that and then being accused of doing it.The sole survivor of a mass murder? The answer that the survivor did it is by far the easiest one (and the excuse of the survivor "I didn't do it, the Red Man did" doesn't give the best impression of mental stability.) |
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Jay_Ox said: I like how you managed to simultaneously show your complete contempt for anime fans and imply that you're above it all.Malestel said: Have some imagination folks... Plot holes are often just blanks your mind can't fill in with information that you SHOULD have figured out. Nope. While this show was interesting enough to hook our attention it was poorly executed. I'm not here to argue about it though. I'm reading this thread to see peoples reactions. I know this episode was badly done but I also know that this is just the thing a lot of anime fans eat up. I wanted to see the fans reaction to the negative feedback this episode was sure to elicit. It's very interesting to see how people treat each other over a difference in opinion. |
| I didn't read the manga, but I was looking forward to this show for a while now cuz the description seemed good. But this show exceeded my expectations. Glad to see a good dark themed show this season. |
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DrHouse said: Jay_Ox said: I like how you managed to simultaneously show your complete contempt for anime fans and imply that you're above it all.Malestel said: Have some imagination folks... Plot holes are often just blanks your mind can't fill in with information that you SHOULD have figured out. Nope. While this show was interesting enough to hook our attention it was poorly executed. I'm not here to argue about it though. I'm reading this thread to see peoples reactions. I know this episode was badly done but I also know that this is just the thing a lot of anime fans eat up. I wanted to see the fans reaction to the negative feedback this episode was sure to elicit. It's very interesting to see how people treat each other over a difference in opinion. Hahahaha! Love your observations DrHouse. |
| wow, SHIRO ♥ http://dwl.jp/common/images/news/110422/tr01.jpg http://dwl.jp/common/images/news/110422/tr02.jpg |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| Now that was just epic. So he becomes something...which is what they didn't want him to know (and tell the world) in the first place? Now that's a well-played twist. Looks like it was a good execution of Nice Job Breaking It, Villain (replace "Hero" with "Villain" for obvious reasons). |
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| i liked it :) the only complaint is that, i had hoped that the people that animated eureka seven woul animate this -_- oh, well, im still gonna watch it... |
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-Arthur said: Saw the censuring, turned off the episode and deleted it. I really wanna watch this, but well, I'll have to wait for the BD/DVD releases to watch this :/ Not the first and probably not the last show through the 2010/2011 like this :/ This. |
Not bad. I have to applaud the complete railroading of the kid. But I'm unimpressed by the rest of it so far. I'll keep watching to see how much enjoyment I can squeeze out of this in five episoes. |
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| I like this show more and more. Just gimme moar Makina and even moar Shiro. |
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| Its gonna be a long to way to change from him being guilty to this |
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| I jizzed in my pants. |
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| Interesting and enjoyable first episode, despite the censoring. Quite an odd concept, if somewhat absurd. I can suspend my disbelief though. Animation and voice acting were both very good, and I am interested to see where the story goes, since I haven't read the manga. |
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-Arthur said: Saw the censuring, turned off the episode and deleted it. I really wanna watch this, but well, I'll have to wait for the BD/DVD releases to watch this :/ Not the first and probably not the last show through the 2010/2011 like this :/ But damn, it's beyond my understanding how can they even believe that that kind of boy could kill 29 classmates ? :D Didn't You see all the work the "Lawyer" had done to get him jailed?? Of course the parents must be in shock too, and the fake footage didn't help it either |
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| Talk about a massacre! Looks like it came right out of a ''Gears of War'' game! Great first episode, but, I'm seriously lost in what's going on. Characters are all very unique, but strange. Animation is pretty good. Everything is great up to the point where logicality isn't in place. How could a single student (with no evidence provided) massacre a group of 29 students. I think the director threw too many things at us in this single episode for most of us to comprehend. Oh well, looking forward to the next! |
| ''Deadman Wonderland'' so that's what it was. Now I'm curious who gave him that power and why. |
| Poor Little Boy. Death sentence for a 14 yr. old boy? And I think I already knew WHO is "RED MAN." :D Haha. |
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DmonHiro said: Bullshit. Yeah... one kid was able to kill 29 other students, decapitating them and ripping them in pieces. I'm not impressed by this. The plot is paper thin, and I figured out who the red guy was by the end of the episode. Yes, it's THAT obvious, but I won't spoil it. So... the only thing this anime has going for it is the violence. The plot and premise are stupid: one big battle royal, diguised as a carnival. My thoughts exactly. But that doesnt mean im not entertained >:D |
| That was quite a harsh start.. but nicee.. It sure seems interesting.. |
moonlessgown said: I loved it although I wish it wasn't censored D: How is it censored???... |
| Okay.This is officially AMAZING!!!! |
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| Wtf is going on. |
| lol @ img bbcode not working, mal is such a great site |
| Pretty interesting, I'll stick around and keep watching... The girls in this anime are FUGLY as hell though.....*SIGH*.....sometimes you can't have it all. |
| Loved the title so I thought I'd check the anime out! I thought it was pretty good although not impressed that it is believed Ganta killed twentynine other students...thats a little too unbelievable if you ask me but still, I feel I shall enjoy this anime, might even check out the manga afterwards. |
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| Really good.. I like it. |
| Wow, this was a really interesting episode. I can't believe they killed the whole class right off the bat! O_O Although it IS pretty unreasonable to think that a 14 year old could have killed 29 students ... I mean, really :S Seemed a bit censored to me as well, you couldn't really see anything but it seems understandable. I first thought Shiro would be someone only Ganta could see. Knew it was Nessa, though, and Ganta's voiced by a girl! ;O I don't think her voice really fits though ... oh well O_O Tamaki and the captain tried to kill Ganta off already, but Ganta has the "red man" powers it looks like. Coolio. Plus they have to eat candy and fight in matches to stay alive ...? I dunno, looks pretty interesting to me! XD |
EvianBubbleJun 29, 2011 11:18 AM
| I liked what this is all about. Candy saves you?? Me like that. |
| This looks interesting |
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