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| I really enjoyed this despite the slow start. I liked the characters, good at creating atmosphere, the animation, though not top notch and low budget was fairly consistent. And the OST was just to die for! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| @kaerukyuubi How would she get the idea of searching for someone she doesn't remember? (Mireille was a candidate too by the way.) Note: watching the three series in a row might be indigestible. @Playcool Those good old days of Bee Train exploiting Kajiura's music to support entirely their creations were so long ago. I'm not a fan of the cell/digital transition period but I still miss it for those series. Any opinion on "Canta per me" in japanese? I also thing the 26eps structure, no matter how boring it might seem for today's audience (especially in a series with such a thin intrigue), is important. People might not "care", but those non-personal episodes give a certain rythm, make the audience grow accustomed to the characters and the "missions", before inserting more and more intrigue and personal related elements before the midsries turn-about. Sure, the same story could be told by keeping only the double episodes at the beginning, the middle and the end (and some scenes peppered in others) but it wouldn't have the same effect. |
Rei_IIIMar 30, 2022 2:19 AM
| this series was way better than I thought that it was going to be. The only thing that I wish was different was that they would kill the heads of soldats when they came out of the building. |
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| Okay, but seriously, a god damned lava pit, are you kidding me??? |
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| I liked the first nine episodes but then the show starts focus on the main plot which is isn't interesting at all.The action scenes also start to get really dumb and instead being atmospheric the show just start's to drone on. |
| I've just finished rewatching Noir for the 2nd time, exactly 20 years after it originally aired. This is one of few anime I'd give an 11/10 if I could, I loved everything about it: the soundtrack, the art (especially the painted backgrounds), the story/lore, the characters and their development throughout the anime. |
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| ALTENA WAS A SITH LORD ALL ALONG! I can't be the only one who had Return of the Jedi flashbacks while watching the ending. |
| Cucumber ice cream is the best! |
| Thank god the ending didnt suck, OH MY GOD, like it was legit good, surely I wanted a few more scenes on an epilogue, but so many anime end up with endings that just feel like an after though... OST carrying this anime to its end, not a bad thing when you have a soundtrack this good, but really, that OP and ED where trash, the show deserve something much more fitting, I m glad I skipped 90% of the episodes OP/ED. Over 26 episodes I have grown fond of Noir's duo, especially Kirika, but I m proud that for Mireille, in the end she managed to live to Noir's legacy. Definitly memorable ending, this episode had some good action (ep25 Kirika vs Miraille eclipsed it whoever). The message from Miraille mother to Kirika, how she learns from that and gathers her resolution becoming more humane, and how at the end did not gave up on life, and took Miraille's hand, when the later told her not to give up... I really enjoyed the overall message this conclusion gives. A classic that deserves to be recognize as such even 21 years later, and so in the far future. (I forgot to comment between ep17 and this, might go back to do so on one or two eps) Kimura said: Nephtys said: Not only that, but they don't tell us why she regained them by being "shot" by Chloe in episode 20. Maybe I'm missing something...?Anyways, it's a great show but i'm kinda miss one basic thing. Why the hell Kirika lost her memories? I think they didn't mention it in the show why she lost her memories. Maybe they brainwashed her i guess. Anyway, I enjoyed the show overall, even if the first half was a bit slow. 7/10 First half sucked so much, had maybe 2-3 good episodes, but also delivered episode 6 which was my favorite moment in the series, got me crying like a baby. GlennMagusHarvey said: I think that's the one plot hole that they didn't plug--Kirika's identity and memories. You meant how she lost them right? You are right, but surprisingly I m not that bothered by it as I could. I just imagine something drastic happened and she lost them... uh, Yeah... Wilio said: Nah, read the above, it was not explained, how she lost them.GlennMagusHarvey said: I think that's the one plot hole that they didn't plug--Kirika's identity and memories. They actually covered that in the anime. little_raven said: Confucius said: The two gunshots probably meant they were killed off. No mafia organization would let them go like that, they simply know too much. I thought that at first too - but after a second watch I realized the 2 gun shot sound different and may be a symbolism - along with the broken pocket watch - that they remained being assassins but not Noir. I find this interpretation more romantic too, in a way. 8/10 for me too - not complaining about the lack on info on Kirika, but man that first part was surely slow as hell... YES, I cant not think otherwise, because if they really are killed like that, would leave a rather nasty taste, after how well this anime, surprisingly, managed to end. Them remaining assassins, you really have to ignore morals, because when you think seriously about it, they are still killing people, not the most honest profession IMO. Dutchpanther said: The only thing i didnt really get where the endless spawn of cloister mades with golden guns real james bond like killers (yea a place forgotten by time alright...) which died like chickens. The overhelming number of nuns on ambush jumping to the scene with a gun and shotting, then dropping like flies had me dying xD So silly but funny. Deserada said: The last two gunshots were the sounds of Kirika's and Mirelle's pistols. Double suicide. BEGONE, EVIL SPIRIT! Red_Keys said: There's a lot I have to say about this show, but I can't really muster the effort to write it all down. It would have been a lot better if this were a 11-13 episode anime. It was too long and really repetitive, and then left a lot of things vague and unexplained. 6/10 Completely disagree, it started lacking but the number of episodes actually lead to some lengtly exposition to all the topics and the duo, which by the second half finally had me opening more to the characters. Thankgod this was 26 episodes. bmoore07 said: Woah... the whole series was beautiful from start to finish. Sure, it left things unexplained. Sure, it doesn't look too great. Still, it's great anime like Noir that inspires me to watch and review anime. Thanks for the memories! 8/10 The anime is from early 2000s for christ sake, besides, I watched this on 1080p release, far from ugly IMO. Rei_III said: @Yiuumii Sure, you can't have an epilogue for this series. (a second series would have probably be extremely stretched out) But on the other hand, you can get "more of the same" through Madlax and El Cazadore de la bruja (same recipe, with a slight change in ingredients proportions here and there, with a lot of shared staff members). Noir and Cajador where among the first Yuki Kaijura OSTs I heard, when I found her in 2013-2014, they are so fucking amazing, and the reason I always wanted to watch Noir, guess I will be going with Cajador really soon (Forest track is so beautifull too). Noir anime really ended up making great usage of its OST, specially Canta Per Me, was used a lot but was the effect was real, in the end I really feel it helped me immerse more in the scenes and get psyched, made the different from many scenes, which is why I would rate this series higher than the 6 or low 7 I wanted to give it early on. Signifie said: Not a bad ending, however Altena's plan felt anti-climactic considering how it was being built up throughout the series which made this episode pretty lacklustre for me, not to mention the extremely out of place lava pit. The action in this show wasn't that exciting since 90% of the enemies were horribly incompetent and were just used to show Kirika doing some completely inexplicable shit. One thing Noir excels at, especially in the first half, is building great settings and vivid locations which kept the assassination of the week format fresh. The soundtrack was lovely, as expected of Yuki Kajiura, but a few tracks didn't fit well with the scenes they were playing in which made the tone feel slightly disjointed. Another thing to note about Noir is how little dialogue is used in crucial scenes, with the director instead choosing to use a lot of still shots to keep the character's feelings more clouded. Most anime that share similar themes with this show wouldn't utilise this so I'm not used to it, but I'd say it was done effectively although somewhat overused. As for the two gunshots and the broken watch at the end, I'd say that's purely symbolical of the pair severing their link with the past, and a bit of a farewell to the viewers. I think episode 25's Chloe death felt more anticlimatic, like you could see that coming and I was disappointed they dared to do so. Altina was herself to the end, there was no changing her. The action had its moments, on the second half the duo MC looks way more like true top Assassins, specially Kirika, she is badass, a survivor when cornered, but Mireille early on hate lots of ass, she was a poor excuse for an assassin, but definitly improved in the 2nd half. I would say 5-7 episodes are scenes with really good action, not saying you can compare to Ghost in the Shell or other well animated action anime from the time, but I was not disappointed, when it mattered Noir delivered exciting action, but again, TBH, the OST carried most of it, making far more exciting than it would have otherwise. Dont feel the OST was overused though, I liked Canta per me that much. I think you are right about the final scene with the gunshot, makes sense and doesnt fuck up the conclusion. EricaN said: Altena is straight up batshit crazy, so don't expect her grand master plan to be all that logical. What is important is that she believes in the end goal with an almost religious fervor, and is willing to sacrifice anything, even herself, in order to achieve it. I think her words had some merit, but she was seeing the world from a twisted perspective, and some flashbacks from her childhood were soon over the 2nd half so I actually appreciate how Altina was handled as a villain, like you said, even in death, she embraced it. I dont think she was the ultimate baddy for the MCs to conquer, but rather a product of this beautiful yet terryfying world, but rather a stepping stone, after the resolution with Altina, Noir can finally move on truly in heart and mind, in a sick way, Altina was guiding them all along. Feniksrises said: EricaN said: Altena is straight up batshit crazy, so don't expect her grand master plan to be all that logical. What is important is that she believes in the end goal with an almost religious fervor, and is willing to sacrifice anything, even herself, in order to achieve it. Altena spent too much time in the darkness and never experienced the light. She is a tragic villain. In fact the entire cast was in much need of a hug. I am glad Mireille and Kirika found eachother. You deserve a hug too, feel your comment a lot. The show in a sense feels very grounded, I m glad it wasnt over the top crazy silly shit, but took itself seriously, plain and simple in the end. Lost_Viking said: I've just finished rewatching Noir for the 2nd time, exactly 20 years after it originally aired. This is one of few anime I'd give an 11/10 if I could, I loved everything about it: the soundtrack, the art (especially the painted backgrounds), the story/lore, the characters and their development throughout the anime. I think this series is far from a 10/10, but considering my early views on the anime, it improved a lot, and I can definitly call it a classic now, and I understand why others could be giving it a 10/10. This anime is so old, yet the feeling you get even for first viewers 21 years later is that you still dont see something like this often, it had its premise and took itself seriously to the end and the ending fits the show and gives me after taste that I quite like. I dont really feel wine that much, but that you gotta make the comparison, has it aged, it did so as fine wine, compare Noir with the most of the stuff you get nowadays, it still feels unique, has its place and I think I will keep on appreciating what it did by the end, 10-20 years in the future, unlike most anime. 8.4/10 = 8 The highest 8 I can give, I cant forget the underwhelming first half (with an amazing very memorable episode 6), there are some plotholes, characters could be better, lots of scenes could have been better executed, characters lacked so much in the first half, it took too long for me to start caring, when Chloe arrives, the quality of the anime got better overall IMO. Noir ended up reedeming itself in the long run, I m glad by initial disappointment with the show has turned into, this show is memorable to the point I will never forget some of these scenes, and the lovely start of Yuki Kaijura greatness as a composer. |
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| @Playcool Glad you appreciated the show as well. And like you, I love "Canta per me". I remark that every time that song plays, the wheels of history turn. As for those last two gunshots, I remember inrepreting them as symbolizing the two lead characters, rather than implying that they did a double suicide. That said, the show seems to deliberately leave their fates vague. |
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Rei_III said: @Playcool Those good old days of Bee Train exploiting Kajiura's music to support entirely their creations were so long ago. I'm not a fan of the cell/digital transition period but I still miss it for those series. Any opinion on "Canta per me" in japanese? I also thing the 26eps structure, no matter how boring it might seem for today's audience (especially in a series with such a thin intrigue), is important. People might not "care", but those non-personal episodes give a certain rythm, make the audience grow accustomed to the characters and the "missions", before inserting more and more intrigue and personal related elements before the midsries turn-about. Sure, the same story could be told by keeping only the double episodes at the beginning, the middle and the end (and some scenes peppered in others) but it wouldn't have the same effect. I don't think we ever heard the Japanese version of Canta per Me in the anime, but yes of course I have listened to both, since both were released in the OST, I like the english release more, but the Japanese also adds a good spin to it, so I keep both. For me it is like on Nier Automata and Fire Emblems Fates and Echoes, if the songs in other language can add something to it, I always keep them. Yes, even if the first half was really boring, for most of the episodes, in the end, it doesn't feel like content that should have been skipped, helped you familiarize with the cast. |
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| I really hope those two gunshots at the end don't mean that they got killed by the Soldats at the car... but I cannot shake off the feeling that that's what happened :( That aside though, really solid anime. It had some great moments, some weird moments and some tragic ones too. I'm really happy that I stumbled upon this gem from the past :) |
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