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Dreaded_One said: MightyM16 said: I'd rather bring the point of the extreme convenience that led to that situation in the first place as whole, I mean whoa, the killer from 17 years ago kidnapping kids on teh same supermarket Satoru and his mother were buying things? The killer managing to recognize the mom and take her as a threat ? And so on... Plot hole or not, the first episode already showed signs of how contrived this series would become Cmon its a plot device, also his mother looked exactly the same. Exactly, this series had a lot of open, textbook plot devices who seemed forced as if only there conditioned for the story to move, none of it felt natural at least for me it felt like bad writing |
MightyM16 said: Exactly, this series had a lot of open, textbook plot devices who seemed forced as if only there conditioned for the story to move, none of it felt natural at least for me it felt like bad writing And yet people rate it 10/10 |
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MightyM16 said: Exactly, this series had a lot of open, textbook plot devices who seemed forced as if only there conditioned for the story to move, none of it felt natural at least for me it felt like bad writing Lol that type of plot device is used in literally every single anime/show that's ever made. "Why does anything happen?" Right place at the right time. |
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VonSeckendorff said: If Satoru's confrontation with Yashiro only happened in the last timeline, and Yashiro apparently didn't know about Satoru's powers then, why on Earth was he stalking Satoru and his mother in the original timeline? It makes no sense to me because in the first timeline, where Satoru never saved his friends, there wouldn't be any reasons for Yashiro to become obsessed with him and to act upon revenge in the first place. If he wanted to kill Satoru, he could've killed him as a child, without any complications. I thought about the possibility of him somehow discovering that Satoru's mother figured out he was the killer, but again, there would be no logical means through which he could've become aware of her intentions of exposing the truth to the public. The show hinted at the possibility of him being related to that one news editor from the past, but nothing came out of it. Anyway, what do you guys think of it? Yashiro was killing people because he can see a spider web string on people's head and he believed that it was his job to end those people. It's possible Satoru and his mother became his targets because they had that. |
bobzanny said: MightyM16 said: Exactly, this series had a lot of open, textbook plot devices who seemed forced as if only there conditioned for the story to move, none of it felt natural at least for me it felt like bad writing Lol that type of plot device is used in literally every single anime/show that's ever made. "Why does anything happen?" Right place at the right time. You're making a generalization, since not every development in a story is a forced plot device especially when the story has it's fair share of good writing, but anyway it isn't a matter of use, some good stories will end up having their fair share of forced plot devices here and there, what is a matter is the frequency of it's use and Erased pratically abused it, the Revival power is the biggest offender of them all terminador_2397 said: MightyM16 said: Exactly, this series had a lot of open, textbook plot devices who seemed forced as if only there conditioned for the story to move, none of it felt natural at least for me it felt like bad writing And yet people rate it 10/10 I don't understand them but I can't blame them, maybe they are seeing something in the series that I'm not seeing it? Maybe they're just able to brush past the series multiple flaws and enjoy the story? I agree that it doesn't deserves 10/10 but ultimately each person will end up rating based on their own enjoyment and feelings |
MightyM16 said: bobzanny said: Lol that type of plot device is used in literally every single anime/show that's ever made. "Why does anything happen?" Right place at the right time. You're making a generalization, since not every development in a story is a forced plot device especially when the story has it's fair share of good writing, but anyway it isn't a matter of use, some good stories will end up having their fair share of forced plot devices here and there, what is a matter is the frequency of it's use and Erased pratically abused it, the Revival power is the biggest offender of them all I don't understand them but I can't blame them, maybe they are seeing something in the series that I'm not seeing it? Maybe they're just able to brush past the series multiple flaws and enjoy the story? I agree that it doesn't deserves 10/10 but ultimately each person will end up rating based on their own enjoyment and feelings I agree that the writing got sloppy during the latter part of the series, I was making the argument for the plot device of Yashiro getting caught in one of Satoru's loops during episode 1 since every series has a moment like that. |
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| There are 2 main points why Yashiro would have killed Sachiko. 1. Sachiko noticed something suspicious of Yashiro in episode 1 when he looked over at her. 2. Sachiko had the spider thread on her head (don't know if it was before he drove away in the car or only afterwards). But he kills people with the spider thread so that's all there is to it, regardless of any suspicion of Sachiko. |
VonSeckendorff said: If Satoru's confrontation with Yashiro only happened in the last timeline, and Yashiro apparently didn't know about Satoru's powers then, why on Earth was he stalking Satoru and his mother in the original timeline? It makes no sense to me because in the first timeline, where Satoru never saved his friends, there wouldn't be any reasons for Yashiro to become obsessed with him and to act upon revenge in the first place. If he wanted to kill Satoru, he could've killed him as a child, without any complications. In the first episode Fujinuma Mama figured out he was the Killer as he was trying to kidnap a girl. It was more detailed in the manga yeah. |
bobzanny said: MightyM16 said: You're making a generalization, since not every development in a story is a forced plot device especially when the story has it's fair share of good writing, but anyway it isn't a matter of use, some good stories will end up having their fair share of forced plot devices here and there, what is a matter is the frequency of it's use and Erased pratically abused it, the Revival power is the biggest offender of them all I don't understand them but I can't blame them, maybe they are seeing something in the series that I'm not seeing it? Maybe they're just able to brush past the series multiple flaws and enjoy the story? I agree that it doesn't deserves 10/10 but ultimately each person will end up rating based on their own enjoyment and feelings I agree that the writing got sloppy during the latter part of the series, I was making the argument for the plot device of Yashiro getting caught in one of Satoru's loops during episode 1 since every series has a moment like that. well the problem isn't that moment especifically but how it foreshadows and adds to the whole other plethora of forced plot devices in the series |
| Didn't she spot him trying to abduct a child? He probably recognised her, so he decided to kill her, especially given her connections to the news. It could have been too risky to let her live. I don't see how that's a plot hole. Is it good writing? Not really, but a plot hole it is not (at least in my opinion). |
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sychev said: Protaku said: Because he didn't want to be caught red handed charting off a little girl to god knows where while someone has already noticed him doing it. Yashiro worries that Sachiko not only noticed his attempted crime but that she recognized him under his disguise, so he decided to stalk and kill her before she draws any conclusions. Keep in mind that Yashiro was already a suspect in Kayo's death before, so if authorities charged him with that attempted abduction, it would not be hard to tie him back to all the murders that happened in the past -- so even more reason to kill Sachiko. but kayo's case already close with yuuki as suspect right? and I think investigate is not something that normal people do everyday it's weird to see why sachiko take risk by playing role as police by catching the murderer I mean she can't take care herself by doing simple stuff (locking the door) testamentKAISER said: In the original timeline, that girl died, Mom saw sensei leading the girl to his car, and then many years later, when Satoru told his mom to check for something or anything, she noticed or atleast recognize sensei, something clicked, told her friend then she died. thanks, but if she noticed sensei back there, then why not suspecting himi in the first place I don't think police so stupid there Alne said: thought it had to do with those stupid spiderwebs. lets blame doflamingo Iirc, Mom was not interested in the case at that time + she only got interested in it, AFTER Satoru told the police of what he knew and her telling Mc something... This is why there is a rift between the 2..., that is why they are not very close in the original timeline. |
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| I'm pretty sure that in the original timeline Sachiko noticed Gaku in the parking lot as he was trying to abduct another child outside of the hospital, this was after Satoru went back in time but couldn't spot what was wrong himself. He was not stalking Satoru, it was merely a coincidence that he was there on the same day as Satoru. Gaku then kept an eye on Sachiko, who had seen him and he recognised, after this. What's not shown is how Gaku definitely knew that she had discovered something or recognised him. I've always just thought that Gaku chose to eliminate Sachiko regardless of whether he thought she would investigate or not. At this point he could only assume that she had recognised him as he did her, he did not have the luxury of waiting to have evidence of this. He had to scout out the Fujinuma residence for at least 1 working day to figure out work schedules and gather information on Satoru. He killed Sachiko at a time when Satoru would be returning from work. With the murder scene still fresh it was the perfect time to frame Satoru with his mothers murder. With the murderer being revealed as Gaku I think that this is not a plot hole, had it been someone Sachiko did not know, then it would have required some measure of explaining as to why the murderer would have thought Sachiko would be able to identify him or uncover his identiy, and require evidence before acting. But Gaku did not have the luxury of having the time to know for sure what she was thinking or doing - he has been shown to be far too cunning and ruthless to expect that of him. I hope this makes sense. |
MightyM16 said: bobzanny said: Lol that type of plot device is used in literally every single anime/show that's ever made. "Why does anything happen?" Right place at the right time. You're making a generalization, since not every development in a story is a forced plot device especially when the story has it's fair share of good writing, but anyway it isn't a matter of use, some good stories will end up having their fair share of forced plot devices here and there, what is a matter is the frequency of it's use and Erased pratically abused it, the Revival power is the biggest offender of them all I don't understand them but I can't blame them, maybe they are seeing something in the series that I'm not seeing it? Maybe they're just able to brush past the series multiple flaws and enjoy the story? I agree that it doesn't deserves 10/10 but ultimately each person will end up rating based on their own enjoyment and feelings Yeah but to me the show was good but not to the point where the flaws could be skipped over which is why I rated it a 7 |
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| What did Yashiro ever talk to Kenya about anyways? |
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NihonFalcom said: What did Yashiro ever talk to Kenya about anyways? Yashiro told him about Kayo's birthday, so they could make a surprise party for both Satoru and Kayo. Something the anime left out. |
tesla21 said: polesp said: He wasn't hunting Satoru down in the original timeline when the case was settled, it was purely coincidence that Satoru's mom happened to catch him while he was about to abduct another child. He definitely wouldn't have been stalking satoru because if he was he would not be attempting to kidnap another victim to such close proxmity to Satoru and his mom who would immediately catch on. It was all coincidence. This is exactly it, I am not sure what's unclear about it. It was just plot convenience that he happened to kidnap someone around Satoru and his mother, it would be trivial for the author to come up with the specific way he knew that she knew, could be as simple as "he noticed her looking at him funny" as someone else said. It just wasn't explicit. Exactly my thoughts! When I watched episode 1, I thought it was transparent enough to understand the situation and not consider it as a plot hole. |
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RealityRush said: sychev said: but in the end he release that little girl right? also sachiko doesn't have a prove that he will doing something bad to that girl so why he bother kill her, sigh Again, in the very first episode, it is implied she has proof when she tries to meet up with her co-worker, hence Yashiro offing her. I think I'm starting to understand why some people thought this was a legit mystery.... jesus MAL... I just assume half of mal don't pay actual attention to anime when they're watching it. God, cringe af thread. |
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| No one knows what the term "plot hole" means anymore. |
| Erased=Plothole the anime. I'm not a hater though. It certainly had its moments and I don't regret watching it. It's just a shame how much wasted potential it had. 6/10 |
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Euphemistic said: Didn't Satoru's mom figure out the killer's identity,which lead to her murder? This. I thought it was pretty obvious as well. You guys need to re-watch the first episode if you think it's a plot hole. |
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| yashiro was still attempting to abduct children and satorus mom happened to catch him in the process in the first ep (the second revival scene). like that line with "watashi wo...miteta?" was to establish that yashiro realized satorus mom knew what he was up to. thats why he stalked satorus mom (the scene where she satoru and airi walk home); it makes even more sense to since she was already tangled up in the original 1988 kidnappings. the final motive for yashiro to move and actually perpetrate the murder was when satorus mom called her reporter friend, and this is proven by the string that appears above her head in that scene. the scene is from yashiros perspective. so, no its not a plot hole so much as relying on a coincidence to progress the story. this was all explained in the first episode so? |
| the killer never cared about satorou and his mom until his mom saw him taking a child. |
Valaskjalf said: the killer never cared about satorou and his mom until his mom saw him taking a child. yeah pretty much this too |
VonSeckendorff said: Don't get me wrong, I started watching this anime with the hightest expectations. But in the end, it fell short and I feel sorta 'betrayed', just like I felt after watching Zankyou no Terror for instance - even tho ZnT is far worse in my opinion. I don't hate it tho, I ranked it 8/10 in my list (I consider lowering it to 7/10, but maybe I'll just leave it like that). Kids that behave like adults, an extremely obvious 'killer reveal', the pacing of the series became rushed and generally unpleasant after Kayo's arc and the villain's motivations are extremely shallow. Some people say that the mechanics and originis of the time travel thing are the main plot hole, being left unresolved, but for me there's one even big plot hole: If Satoru's confrontation with Yashiro only happened in the last timeline, and Yashiro apparently didn't know about Satoru's powers then, why on Earth was he stalking Satoru and his mother in the original timeline? It makes no sense to me because in the first timeline, where Satoru never saved his friends, there wouldn't be any reasons for Yashiro to become obsessed with him and to act upon revenge in the first place. If he wanted to kill Satoru, he could've killed him as a child, without any complications. I thought about the possibility of him somehow discovering that Satoru's mother figured out he was the killer, but again, there would be no logical means through which he could've become aware of her intentions of exposing the truth to the public. The show hinted at the possibility of him being related to that one news editor from the past, but nothing came out of it. Anyway, what do you guys think of it? I think it got explained somewhere that he killed her because she recognized him in the parking lot of the supermarket. She got hints about him being the killer, he noticed that and killed her. Then he incriminated Satoru. |
| -> Sachiko saw Yashiro trying to kidnap a girl. -> Yashiro kept an eye on Sachiko. -> Sachiko re-investigated the abduction case. -> Yashiro killed Sachiko. -> Yashiro NEVER stalked Satoru in the first timeline. Do you guys even watch the first episode? |
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| Powers were never really explained big plot hole indeed btw every ship was rekted |
| I kinda think the anti-Bokumachi circlejerk has reached its high point. |
| Allow me make a headcanon explanation. 1st
Now we lead to another question
Well, media doesnt give a fuck about statue of limitation. Media can ruin people life. |
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| Some here are just confused with the timelines. 1st episode (Original timeline) his mom saw that yashiro was trying to kidnap the girl , yashiro noticed it someone looking at him so he cancelled his kidnapping then left. Note that on episode 1 yashiro isnt stalking them since there is no reason for him to stalk satoru on the original timeline Since in the original timeline yashiro successfuly killed his 3 targets 20 yrs ago. While on the 3rd timeline where satoru successfuly saved those 3 then yashiro got obssesed with satoru. Original timeline: - Yashiro killed those 3 kids 20 yrs ago - Theres no reason for Yashiro to kill satoru 3rd timeline: - Yashiro failed killing those 3 because satoru interfered. - Yashiro tried to kill Satoru - Yashiro failed in killing satoru and that was said to be the first time he failed . - Yashiro is now obssesed with satoru . Long story short , on episode 1 it was just a coincidence that yashiro was on the same area as satoru. He killed sachiko because she noticed him on his attempt on kidnapping the kid. |
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| My problem is that the fucking show had a 9.07 when the fourth episode came out. Rating a show so high when it isn't even half over, is beyond me. |
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obesekid said: testamentKAISER said: In the original timeline, that girl died, Mom saw sensei leading the girl to his car, and then many years later, when Satoru told his mom to check for something or anything, she noticed or atleast recognize sensei, something clicked, told her friend then she died. She didn't tell her friend though? They were gonna meet up and talk about it but she died :/ Oh sorry, i meant "called" not "told", but still mistake on my part. :) ty. |
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