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| Nadia's starting to REEEEEALLY piss me the fuck off. I mean SERIOUSLY WHAT REDEEMING TRAITS DOES SHE HAVE? (other than being delicious brown) She's bipolar, religious vegan and is basically a cheap copy of Akane. |
TyrelJan 16, 2016 1:13 PM
| Not a fan of the mostly pointless slice of life episodes with no clear focus. They have a few good moments but overall are very weak compared to the rest of the series. |
| The adults are acting like children and the children are acting like adults. Fancy that. Oh, and I'm still seeing parallels to 20,000 Leagues even at this stage, it's quite fascinating really. Jean's intellectual relationship with the Captain, the multicultural, unspecific nationality of the crew, the unknown number of crew members, the character obsessed with getting back on land (and eating anything not submarine food), and a couple of other things too. Though, because this is a visual medium and not a novel, it's harder to keep things mysterious, especially things relating to the crew and the ship. It's interesting to see how the show attempts to deal with the adaptation. I must admit though, I'm not sure what to make of this love...triangle I guess? Also, now that I think about it, the novel didn't have any women on board, both among the main cast and as background characters, which makes for some new character dynamics. I'd also like to highlight the talk between Grandis and Nadia. First, when the hell did Grandis have the right to be an interesting character? She didn't want Blue Water because of its mysterious powers, she just wanted jewels in general. Her backstory was a bit matter-of-fact, though this is me speaking over 20 years after this show was created. Despite that, it still gave an insight into Grandis' character and explained the reason why she's even still sticking around beyond just pure infatuation. Second, and most importantly, I think I'm starting to finally understand where Nadia's coming from. She was an outsider back on land, and despite being on a submarine full of outcasts, she still feels like an outsider among outsiders. In the novel, Professor Aronnax and his companions were detached from the rest of the enigmatic crew, with the only exception being Professor Aronnax's intellectual pursuits with Captain Nemo. Here, the crew of the Nautilus is portrayed as a ragtag group of adventurers. Captain Nemo too feels different, seeming more stern than bitter and reclusive. These changes allow the whole crew to feel more inviting, warm, and open with our protagonists, with the only issues so far being the unchanging meals and whatever's going on between Grandis and Electra. And this is where Nadia comes in, who likens civilization itself to the negative aspects of humanity. I don't know what her reasoning is yet, but at this point, it's not important. Instead, I'm paying attention to how she behaves and interacts with the other characters, especially since I just realized that in the novel, Captain Nemo also had a distaste toward the senseless killing of animals. Though, this was only for specific species, as opposed to animals as a whole. He had no sympathy for certain predators, and he'd actively slaughter certain types of sea creatures given the opportunity. He also had no issues about killing animals if it was just to eat them. Given the harshness of the seas, survival was more important than morals, especially since land-based moralities meant very little in the middle of the sea. Translated over to Nadia, we instead have a complete hatred of killing animals, which makes sense assuming Nadia was raised with nature to an extent. It's still odd how she dresses without a mindfulness to modesty given both the anime's 1880s context and her own lack of care towards civility, yet she still gets embarrassed and angry when Jean has perverted thoughts about her. It might be overthinking her appearance, but regarding the amount of skin she shows on a regular basis, as well as the manner which she ripped up her new outfit for comfort, it may reflect some of her unknown backstory. It could have been a relic of her past life, as well as a visual method of expressing her "wild" characteristics. It could have also been due to her life in the circus, causing her to become accustomed to dressing as she does. This contrasts with the technological basis the show runs on, which makes for some interesting arguments against technology and civilization. This also raises counterarguments for her own lifestyle and moralities, especially given how the manner which Nadia preserves her own beliefs with her kneejerk reactions. It could also just be for fan service reasons and her reactions to killing animals could have just been an attempt at environmentalism, as opposed to character development. Though, again, this is just supposition on my part. In a way, she has her feet placed in two different worlds, but I'm not entirely sure if it works out right through the narrative. Of course, you have moments like Sanson essentially throwing down a dead Bambi right in front of Nadia. It's a clear setup to get Nadia upset, which feels almost forced given the nice direction her conversation with Grandis was going. Well, I'll take what I can get, and I do get the loneliness Nadia must be feeling. I'm just wonder what the anime is going to do with this. |
| The "Grandis tells her story" episode! With lots of "funny" things happening. Weirder than the "nuclear" submarine in late XIX, Grandis "bikini" ! xD 5/5 And the episode even ends on leading to the next little intrigue. @zetsu_shoren "Akane" ? |
| Was that... A nip slip? Keep it classy, Anno. I for one am glad that they wrote Nadia the way they did. Considering the life she has lived until this episode, anything else would be weird. |
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| While Nadia has many negative points to her personality, her pacifism and vegetarianism are not of them. Think about the life she has led up until now. The problem is when she seeks to impose her views upon others. |
FarabeufNov 16, 2017 2:27 AM
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Not sure what's going on with all the hate on Nadia's character. She's 14, and passionate about her convictions. Maybe it's just me, but upon reflection I was probably the same way about my beliefs at that age. I liked the bit with Captain Nemo talking about the racial harmony on the sub, and tying it to their collective goal to fight Neo Atlantis. I have a feeling this theme is going to be tied into Nadia's extreme views, and I'm hoping it allows for her character (and Jean) to develop a more nuanced look at the world. Good character and theme building episode. |
| Wow! It seems that the pacchus is over, enemy in sight! I would not say I got bored so far, in the end these episodes with a more relaxed tone and rhythm than usual, have had the merit of making us understand so many little things that could not be shown during an action scene or a fast-paced chase. Making two counts we realized that Electra is in love with Captain Nemo, that he has ties with Nadia and we also know the past of Grandis and many and many other things. Amusing the narration of this episode, now I nurture a deep feeling of affection for those who previously were the enemies of Nadia and Jean. |
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| Man, i hate Nadia... She is so fucking unlikeable, just kill her already. |
| A lovely beach episode that's for sure! I do wonder what was up with that ending though! |
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| So we get a classic "peeping on the girls" scene. It's a bit cliche, but was still a funny little scene. As for the ending, Nadia really overreacted. I'm really not a fan of her as a person, imposing her views upon others like this, but... I think as a character she adds an interesting dynamic to things. |
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| Transition episode that despite this, however, has an important message to reiterate. The narrative has a playful aspect, but it can also be serious on certain issues, pleasant enough to watch this episode mainly because it reveals the past about the character of Grandis. |
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| Another more relaxing episode but enjoyable nonetheless ^-^ plus we do get some nice character moments and a backstory for Grandis while straight forward and familiar it works to give her motivations more depth and her circumstances more understandable. Speaking of Grandis this whole episode was practically a love letter to her and delivered so many wonderful moments all throughout 🤗 so naturally I will love it :D I have said it before and I will keep saying it the animators love Grandis and know exactly what they are doing with her in multiple shots ^-^ But, we start off seeing Grandis in her undergarments daintily and peppy getting herself made up too adorable X3 nice to see that her influence has started to rub off on Nadia as she not only sports outfits in the vein of Grandis but also seems to have made progress on meal preparation as she doesn't have any cuts on her fingers and there seems to be plenty for everyone at this gathering and she is even serving and King gets a good portion this time and Jean Jean Jean you had your opportunity man XD she was hoping you would have a warm reaction to her new look she was glowing about it and you didn't even acknowledge it a fatal misstep in any relationship! And this time I understand Nadia giving him the cold shoulder after that since that was a clear home run lined up for you Jean and you didn't even swing XD Good to see King and Marie up to their continued cute antics always nice to see :3 Grandis also makes incredible overjoyed and smug faces during the meal XD and it seems Electra's feelings are starting to boil more towards the surface as she and Grandis go back and forth throughout the episode she even gets more flustered around Nemo then she ever has before! I agree with Sanson though various fish are very delicious but eating them day after day can be rather monotonousness some variety is needed at least every now and then! Also, shortly after Grandis yells at him we get a shot of her dress containing her breasts X3 (the animators know what they are doing~ ^-^) but Grandis looked so sad when Nemo didn't stay to eat his dessert :'3 and then she got furious at Sanson hilarious as usual XD I did like the point Nemo brought up about his crew it certainly rings true throughout history that when faced with a great threat humans put aside their differences and unite in order to vanquish the heart of evil that has risen! LMAO even the crew members are echoing my sentiment that Grandis is good looking and has a nice figure those curves certainly are a sight 🥰 and she is fantastic at cooking she is the full package! This even gets Electra hot under the collar she certainly knows Grandis is quite the competition for her XD and the crew says another thing I have been saying with being more honest about your feelings! I feel like this anime gets me on several levels :D Grandis looks so regal and ladylike in her fancy hat, umbrella and smoking all fancy like ^-^ and the faces she makes and the fantasies she has about sharing a romantic moment with Nemo are just too passionate and pure X3 but the main event occurs with Grandis getting undressed (while being peeped on a classic tradition in anime and ensues in a hilarious scene with Sanson and Jean XD) and slipping into her stylish bikini which she fills out fantastically 😍 with displaying her beauty and assets (because of the animators XD) my goodness what a wonderful site every red blooded member of the crew agrees as well 😆 and Grandis puts her heart and soul into approaching Nemo hoping to catch his eye and heart and HE TELLS HER TO CHANGE INTO SOMETHING WARMER SO SHE DOESN'T CATCH A COLD . . . . SMH 😔 Nemo Nemo Nemo when a lady puts so much effort into her look she is looking for an affectionate compliment not a statement like that between you and Jean you missed the mark! You sunk Grandis' heart she looked so disheartened! It was nice to see her in higher spirits around the campfire ^-^ and you are correct Nadia Grandis is very womanly and gentle 🤗 plus we get to learn about her past more I am sorry that her Mother passed away at such a young age in her life that is devastating for anyone 😔 but little Grandis looked so adorable and sweet of course her Father would want to make her happy and his whole world! Poor teenage Grandis :'3 she thought she had found true love and fell for him like an innocent maiden but he took everything from her and her Father 😭 Grandis looking sad and in tears in that flashback just breaks my heart! It is nice to know Sanson and Hanson have been loyal to her for so long but I wonder what happened to her Father? But, the inheritance her Mother left her allowed her to survive and start over that is so heart warming 🤗 she watched over Grandis even after her life ended! Grandis I hope you keep living long into the future I am so glad you have a renewed sense of life even after all you went through your parents would be proud ^-^ also I am glad she gives nice advice to Nadia about being honest with how she feels about Jean; Grandis you are one of a kind X3 But, Nadia has another moment with her views on hunting and eating meat. Look I will meet you halfway Nadia yes it was tactless to toss the young deer in front of you like that and yes they should have gotten an adult deer instead of a young one but at the same time the crew has to eat and a big portion of people like meat and need it in their diets. I agree with Farabeuf; the problem is not that she has these views and beliefs the problem is when she imposes them on others. Although it does lead to a nice scene with her pushing King away but apologizing and saying she doesn't want to be alone seems Grandis was right in saying no one wants to live alone earlier. Plus her Blue Water reacts strangely a sign of a bad omen on he horizon O-O guess we will have to wait and see :D |
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| Once Grandis stepped foot on the Nautilus she ceased to be an interesting character. I guess the same thing happened to Electra, we just never saw the change. |
| Beach episode time... So I think Nadia by now at least accepts Grandis's presence. Being fanatical about her beliefs on life, it will take a while to forgive and forget the hunt. Even though it was Sanson who killed the deer, she resents Jean for participating. |
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| Mediocre up until the end, that was a nice backstory. I also like how Hanson and Sanson are getting more screentime than usual for sidekicks. Nadia is still annoying as ever |
| hehe whole lotta tension between the females ^_^ i'm with Hanson, I can eat fish all day every day boys caught peeping 8) based Nemo rejecter of foul wenches.... wouldn't mind picking up his scraps damn that tragic backstory, Pokemon really did base Jesse entirely on Grandis |
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