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Jun 25, 2010 5:11 PM
#51
The anime seemed to be your typical reverse harem full of bishies. I was mistaken. I enjoyed it. Ignoring useless Chizuru, the male personalities were actually brilliant. I failed to see the plot though. Looks like it began the moment the series ended. Also, unexpectedly, I cried when Yamazaki died. I'm hoping for some movement and development in the second season. Yes, I'll be watching it. And why the fuck is the fanserviced trash, Ichiban, rated higher than this!? |
Jun 25, 2010 5:25 PM
#52
Wow I really didn't like the last episode, even less than the first. To me this just felt rushed. Plus two characters with some of the least screentime died. It's impossible for me to feel anything about their deaths. Now that's bad. Overall this series was nothing special, only average and sometimes really boring. Saito & Sano were great though <3 It gets a 5 from me and despite that low score I'll be watching the second season~ eatmymagnum said: Same here. Her screaming and crying is understandable because people around her were dying and stuff, but it was just annoying :/up until now, i didn't really mind chizuru. but this episode? fuck, i wanted to punch her face in x100. |
Jun 25, 2010 5:51 PM
#53
Jun 25, 2010 6:00 PM
#54
Wow.. I thought the ending of the anime was a bit sad, but not as sad as watching little kids battling it out in this thread. >_> Anyways. In my opinion, it was pretty good. I mean sure, the plot was kinda all over the place but the animation and lovable characters made up for it. I actually laughed quite a few times too. I will watch the second season for sure. Soulstrider said: ...actually historically accurate in the overall setting (compared to other shows like for example sengoku basara) and very good battles without blood censoring... and this rarri said: To all the people that rated Hakuouki low: Look what you did. You made Chizuru cry. Have you guys no shame? Can I make her cry again? and again? and again? She's a useless waste of space, screaming her head off and making my ears bleed.. >_> (but gahh she's so adorable though! D: damn you, good animation) |
KruxiaJun 25, 2010 6:08 PM
Jun 25, 2010 6:10 PM
#55
ilikeyouevenmore said: I had the exact same thought throughout the whole series.Even though the episodes were jumping like mad through time, it didn't seem like much happened with character development.... I wonder if the story is too constrained by trying to be in synch with historical battles and whatnot.... It makes me wonder if things will go anywhere in season 2. Little to no character development besides MAYBE Hijikata, Chizuru and whoever's been "knocked out" already. And no relationship establishing whatsoever (why oh why is Hijikata apparently Chizuru's fav? Besides him being the first to be against killing her in ep 1/2 I don't bloody have a clue....) This particular ep was ok but this series (oops....I guess it's "season" then) had pretty horrible (aka: jumpy/messed up) pacing and I'm still freakin confused on what exactly is going on besides the overarching Shinsengumi vs Oni thing. It's not bad enough (in my eyes) that I'll skip out on the 2nd season...but it seriously needs some improvement.... |
Jun 25, 2010 6:38 PM
#56
Jun 25, 2010 7:36 PM
#57
This was pretty bad. It had some potential in the first couple of eps, so that's a bit of a bummer. Overall I gave it 3/10. (Edit: this may go down. After watching the Angel Beats! final, this show was worse and they're currently scored the same, which doesn't reflect that distinction.) Shame they killed off Yamazaki, he was my second favourite after Souji. :/ Will probably watch the second season if only for bishieness. |
yamakasiJun 25, 2010 8:21 PM
Jun 25, 2010 8:11 PM
#58
Chizuru is easily worse than Orihime in the worthless department. Not allowing Yamazaki to pass on his feelings had to be the lowest low of this show. How does she not feel the least bit responsible for most of these people's deaths? She begs to send a message, cries, runs her mouth, doesn't do what she's told, and places far too many people in danger because they have to protect her sorry ass. Worse than Angel Beats. 2/10. |
Jun 25, 2010 10:07 PM
#60
Jeez bringing guns to a sword fight how cowardly can you get! Well the only way it is acceptable if only you are fighting Ijikata Mamoru because you'll need all the help you can get even if totally futile. It that the better they could do with that anime, I sincerely hate when anime had so much potential to end up like that, too short. So there will be a second season. |
Jun 25, 2010 10:30 PM
#61
One of the most useless series I watched. Uninteresting/plain characters with an annoying girl as the protagonist. Next season - more annoying stuff. Can't hope for anything better from this series. |
Jun 25, 2010 11:54 PM
#62
Hijikata truly became the demon commander. Looks like Kazama's priorities changed for the time-being... |
xellossJun 25, 2010 11:57 PM
Sore wa himitsu desu. |
Jun 26, 2010 3:11 AM
#63
I just want to ask one question. What the hell is wrong with Yukimura? Inoue basically sacrificed his own life in order for her to run away. And, then she doesn't run and instead tries to fight the guys. What the hell is wrong with her thinking process? If she hadn't been saved at the last moment, she would have died, no question about it. She basically just made Inoue's sacrifice useless. Erghh, such an incredibly annoying character. I don't think I'll be able to watch the second season. As I'm watching the last episode, the score is just going down from 7/10 to 6/10 to 5/10. |
Jun 26, 2010 4:22 AM
#64
What the FUCK? I mean, seriously? About the ONLY freaking character I cared about in this heap of bishies thrown into a bullshit story whose heroine could as well be a piece of furniture, that's how useless she is...so, that sole character not only gets 1/50th the screen-time I'd like him to (although I'm used to my favourite characters being on the margin of everything), but also DIES in the end? In such a stupid way? WHAT? That's...that's...>.< FFFFFFFF- /rant Also, Chizuru, burn. BURRRRN. |
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Jun 26, 2010 4:35 AM
#65
I wasn't expecting it to end like this, I gotta say It was pretty sad. Especially when the music kicked in. Yay for a 2nd season! |
Jun 26, 2010 5:32 AM
#66
I don't really know what has happened throughout this whole season, but the guys are good looking and there is ponytail so I pretty much don't care. I like when the good guys die though. <3 |
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Jun 26, 2010 7:46 AM
#67
I've got three words HaTERS GONNA HATE :) |
Jun 26, 2010 9:56 AM
#68
So was that definitely the end of the first season? The preview at the end for the next episode made it seem like there would be another episode not a wait for a new season. Anyone know when the new one will start? I loved the episode though I kind of wish there was a bit more info and action. The Hijikata fight was good but I can't believe he drank the ochimizu My only discrepancy is that when Yamazaki dies they throw him overboard on a plank of wood. Wood floats. He sank. I keep waiting for Chizuru to do... something strong. Or anything at all, she is oni after all. So far I feel like she is a Yuuki Cross type, characterized as strong but doesn't do a damn thing. And there really are no real romantic indications between anyone, it's surprising. I was wondering how they would end the war with the characters considering that most of them had died in real life. There are too many that we want to keep seeing. And, was that Saito I saw in the preview dressed in his Meiji garb? |
Jun 26, 2010 10:02 AM
#69
Yumei_Noir said: I just want to ask one question. What the hell is wrong with Yukimura? Inoue basically sacrificed his own life in order for her to run away. And, then she doesn't run and instead tries to fight the guys. What the hell is wrong with her thinking process? If she hadn't been saved at the last moment, she would have died, no question about it. She basically just made Inoue's sacrifice useless. Erghh, such an incredibly annoying character. I don't think I'll be able to watch the second season. As I'm watching the last episode, the score is just going down from 7/10 to 6/10 to 5/10. Cenedess said: What the FUCK? I mean, seriously? About the ONLY freaking character I cared about in this heap of bishies thrown into a bullshit story whose heroine could as well be a piece of furniture, that's how useless she is...so, that sole character not only gets 1/50th the screen-time I'd like him to (although I'm used to my favourite characters being on the margin of everything), but also DIES in the end? In such a stupid way? WHAT? That's...that's...>.< FFFFFFFF- /rant Also, Chizuru, burn. BURRRRN. Totally agree with you about Chizuru |
Jun 26, 2010 10:15 AM
#70
I love this anime! Episode 12 was super sad. :(( *waiting for 2nd season* |
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Jun 26, 2010 10:38 AM
#71
tensainobaka said: I was wondering how they would end the war with the characters considering that most of them had died in real life. There are too many that we want to keep seeing. Don't worry, Yamanami and Heisuke are also alive... My bet is that Kondo will be killed (if HE will turn himself into rasetsu, I'll certainly kill someone - so far he's the only person who resembles his true historical self); Soji might die of tuberculosis (I don't think Kaoru lied about that red stuff (ochimizu, or what) last time, so it won't cure him); and I guess that's all. Nagakura survived, as well as Saito and Shimada, Heisuke and Yamanami are both rasetsu (okay, I know that's not a jolly joker against death since silver bullets appeared), and Hijikata can't be killed as he's supposed to be the lead. I think they might even rescue Harada as his death story is not clear. BTW, NOBODY semed to care about Kondo. Even if there's a battle going on, he's still the commander >__> Anyway. This was the most irritating series I've ever seen. Never have I yelled so many times during any show, my dad can confirm that >_> I know I should have stopped at episode one, but my curiosity won. But now I want a Peace Maker Kurogane #2 at least. |
FyndraJun 26, 2010 11:33 AM
'I think of my fellow men from the Shieikan as my lifelong comrades. My most proud and precious good fortune has been to have met all of you, Soji.' [Yamanami Keisuke, vice-commander, Shinsengumi] |
Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM
#72
.....no comment. I wonder why most anime from spring season, their last episode is so badD: except B gata. The part where Inoue-san and Yamazaki died is really sad, and at the end they show us the second season^.^ Yay they will change their clothes to western-ish like. Can't wait to see Heisuke in short hair, he looks better than long hair Overall, okay ep I guess, hope 2nd season will be better than first season. |
Jun 26, 2010 11:59 AM
#73
Fai said: Ololololol. Suuure. Useless-Sue lead female ? CHECK. Bishonen Guardians? CHECK. Cardboard-Cutout side characterS(seriously did anyone ACTUALLY care for shinsegumi doodles?)? CHECK. Overblown forced drama? CHECK Overdramatic first season ender just so they can milk the stuff more and produce season2, instead of finally shooting the sick horse? CHECK~ Overall: I regret having sat through this. 2/5 for this episode, 1/5 for series. LOOOL. I totally agree with you, but think about it, this anime is based on an otome game. DUH. Of course the anime would be this shitty. Though, the otome game is way better. I love the game, but fucking Chizuru. She annoys the SHIT out of me. She cries, screams, cries again, gets everyone in troubling situation, JUST SO THEY CAN SAVE HER SORRY ASS. It's just like Vampire Knight, except Chizuru is way more worse. Yuuki actually fucking does something. Chizuru DOES NOTHING. only reason to watch this series? For an animated Kazama, of course<3 |
BrokenGlassDollsJun 26, 2010 12:06 PM
Jun 26, 2010 12:14 PM
#74
Chizuru never fails to anger me, and make me shout at my screen LMAO. :'( I don't understand how someone can be so absolutely useless... Anyway, thank goodness there's going to be a second season, because for a final episode, that was certainly not a very fulfilling ending. XD Can't wait to see them in their new outfits.. hahah... /priorities. |
Jun 26, 2010 12:36 PM
#75
Jun 26, 2010 1:04 PM
#76
This is even worse than some anime I've watched based on ero-games (11Eyes/Tayutama). I think DEEN + Visual Novels/Games does not really compute you know what I'm talking about... I'll still watch season 2 though. There is still Saito in that Western/Modern clothing that I am dying to see XD. And please please... somebody kill Chizuru already. I thought she was going to do something for once when she FINALLY was able to draw her sword but =_= just WOW. She must be the most worthless girl I've encountered so far. |
censcellaJun 26, 2010 1:33 PM
At first I was like, (╬ ಠ益ಠ) Σ(゚∀´(┗┐ヽ(・∀・ )ノ <--- Then I was like In the end, I was \(▽ ̄\( ̄▽ ̄)/ ̄▽)/ヤッタァー!! |
Jun 26, 2010 2:13 PM
#77
When Yamazaki died.. tears were rolling down my eyes.. he was a really kind and sweet guy... T_T I PRAY in SEASON 2 ... PLEASEEE LET CHIZURU KICK SOME ASS!!!! cause its really annoying how all she does is yell and scream in the battles... |
Jun 26, 2010 2:31 PM
#78
I felt like they rushed the last 5-8 episodes. Becuase there was alot of information beging thrown at us. So the story was bit blury. The bad thing is we already know who Chizuru is gona end up with...And there where alot of deaths at the end. (not to mention that the oni potion was taken by alot of people o.O which they nevered showed to us!) This is one of my favorite anime so far this season! I liked at the begining because it was a reverse harme. Which we don't see many these days ;___;...The art was pretty and i hope they continue that art. Unlike some serise who seem to be coping K-On art... YES! 2nd season!!! I was all sad because i thought "OH NO! IT ENDED ;A;!!" but the preview at the end just made my day! I can't wait for the new season with a new dress style. :D! Chizuru.....all she does is scream in battle...she's getting way to annoying for me. I hope someone makes her alittle stronger so we don't have to watch her scream the whole anime! |
SweetlollipopJun 26, 2010 2:35 PM
Jun 26, 2010 7:26 PM
#79
shadowsword said: One of the most useless series I watched. Uninteresting/plain characters with an annoying girl as the protagonist. Next season - more annoying stuff. Can't hope for anything better from this series. Everything said here. I give 5/10 |
Jun 26, 2010 8:36 PM
#80
Why was Chizuru so uselesss, Why was this the first episode that Hijikata really got some backdrop other than ordering people around? Why did so many semi-useless characters have to die for no reason? Why was the story so confusing? These questions are beating my brain up. But it doesn't matter. Hijikata in Western clothing. I'll be there for the second season. |
Jun 26, 2010 11:03 PM
#81
Fai said: Aww, sorry for disagreeing with your opinion on how GREAT this anime was :< i agree with you. this show had/still has potential. everything up to episode 11 was good. but c'mon, ep 12 had nothing. here are some problems: 1.what about the oni? did everyone forget that this was one of the main points? 2.what about her father? other than the most basic info, we learn no more (this was the main point). 3.everyone cried cuz some useless character died, was he even in more than one ep? even if he was, there is no way he was important to the show (the ninja/doc thing i understand but the other guy? c'mon). 4.its the last ep of an action anime, GIVE ME MY BATTLE, and dont end it with "looks like we both get to live." 5.this occurs during the whole series but... CHIZURU IS A BITCH... dont try to act like you gonna do something when all you can do is cry like a bitch only to be saved... many people got injured because she hesitates (like a bitch)... im surprised she even unsheathed her sword (she almost fooled me, like she was gonna do something, now thats funny) obviously point number 5 pissed me off the most. worst character idea EVER... a female lead as useless as a golden paperweight i just remembered... 6.chizuru's twin... ill just leave it at that 7.vampires? really? silver bullets? c'mon 5/10 only because the actual fighting scenes and the blood, |
Jun 27, 2010 12:36 AM
#82
silent_killer said: I've got three words HaTERS GONNA HATE :) Oh, I'm gonna. And what pisses me off is that I'm a closure fag, so I'm probably still going to watch the second season >.< I hope it's better than this one. |
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Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM
#83
Inoue Genzaburo and Yamazaki Susumu died during the Battle of Toba-Fushimi in a historical fact. Chizuru is really annoying though, Their death was the way which was not avoided. Because hakuouki is story based on real shinsengumi after all. Heisuke and Sannan(Yamanami) who should have been dead in the historical fact is still alive. I hope they will survive. I know about historical fact. But I'm not sure where hakuouki story goes. Anyway! Chizuru-chan!!! Please grow up. Please learn how to use your brain. Let's do something. You want to help Hijikata don't you? But You will never be able to help and protect HIjikata as long as you are naive. So grow up. Ganbatte ouenshiterukara (But I know It's all up to scriptwriter's job. Please scriptwriter!! grow her up ) And Hijikata. Your sad face made me want to cry. I can feel your pain. Please don't blame yourself. --------------------------------- I'm sorry. I am not good at English. English is not my native language. |
Jun 27, 2010 6:24 AM
#84
Jun 27, 2010 10:05 AM
#85
Even the battle scene are crap, I've seen better. They're tried so hard in the last 2 episode to bring us good fights but they failed. And the end was so crappy, the oni suddently gets raped by whats-his-name-black-hair-purple-eye because he took that red liquid, was this oni suppose to be godly powerful with all his confidence and awsome looks ? What the hell was with this guy suddenly showing beside whats-his-name-black-hair-purple-eye, I didn't get this part. The female lead is so annoying. Using her as the narrator would make more sense in a novel or a book, but in anime it's so stupid to put a cry baby as a main character. Silver bullets can rape those zombie like samurai ? lol yay for originality. basically Hakuoku is a random vampire/demon/whatever story with japonese history |
Jun 27, 2010 10:53 AM
#86
Jun 27, 2010 7:35 PM
#87
i loved the first season, yes it leaves it on a cliffhanger but atleast there is a second season! hopefully there will be some romance between people!!! |
Jun 27, 2010 8:01 PM
#88
It seems i wont have to bother watching the 2nd season. |
Jun 27, 2010 8:26 PM
#89
This anime was a serious disappointment to me. I'd been looking forward to it since I heard they were making an anime adaptation of the game. I was all hyped about the first episode and then it fell into a rut *sobs* the episodes kept coming but the plot ceased to progress. It's such a shame, especially with how pretty the art was. I can appreciate anime that are slow paced, and if the run time had initially been 24 episodes and they didn't rush the last three episodes, I'd have had a much better opinion of it. Whether forunate or unfortunate, I can say that while I've seen much better, I've also seen worse. I may be a glutton for punishment but I'll watch the second season with the weak hope that someone takes pity on this anime and tells me the answer to the question I've been harboring since the first episode: where the hell is Chizuru's father? Well that was long-winded and overly dramatacized...my apologies... |
Jun 27, 2010 8:41 PM
#90
that was such a terrible ending, LMFAO. gj as usual, studio deen. 8[ but seriously though. it felt like it was just chizuru going all EEHHH??? HIJIKATA-SAN!!! for 12 straight weeks. oh well, at least there'll be a second season. in which we finally see them in the greatest uniform ever made. 8)a giving this a 6 out of 10 only b/c the boys were pretty. |
Jun 28, 2010 7:37 AM
#91
I would have liked this a lot more if Chizuru died... at least once an episode. Had a decent story but they sorta just ran around with it. -I need to find my father or something -oh no crazy murderers -let's stay with the pretty boys -ohhh they were artificial oni -my father created them or something -ohhhh there are real oni -I'm a real oni -they wanna shag me -I love the shinsengumi -why am I here again -scream scream scream -death death death -cry cry cry -End Art was pretty and good soundtrack. Chizuru's I wanna help attitude is a piss of when all she ever does is get saved and make tea. Essentially nothing has been accomplished if you consider where this story was going. (other than killing Itou) The drama didn't fit the scenes it was forced into. The only way you can find this dramatic is if you're easily attached to characters or have played the game. When Yamazaki/Inoue died all I could think was "so?" they barely had any character development. Chizuru needs to learn to STFU and GTFO The fight scenes were average but they lose points for rarely actually having a victor. so 6/10 or so. |
KurazieJun 28, 2010 7:57 AM
Jun 29, 2010 1:07 AM
#92
8th_Sin said: I don't think it's possible for guys or serious anime viewers to really like shows like this... Too many plot holes and erratic behaviors. It's pointless asking fangirls what's good about a show when they're watching it for bidanshi and melodrama. Well sir it's absolutely possible. You have quite a few here. |
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Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM
#93
ANBUCrodon said: I would have liked this a lot more if Chizuru died... at least once an episode. Had a decent story but they sorta just ran around with it. -I need to find my father or something -oh no crazy murderers -let's stay with the pretty boys -ohhh they were artificial oni -my father created them or something -ohhhh there are real oni -I'm a real oni -they wanna shag me -I love the shinsengumi -why am I here again -scream scream scream -death death death -cry cry cry -End Art was pretty and good soundtrack. Chizuru's I wanna help attitude is a piss of when all she ever does is get saved and make tea. Essentially nothing has been accomplished if you consider where this story was going. (other than killing Itou) The drama didn't fit the scenes it was forced into. The only way you can find this dramatic is if you're easily attached to characters or have played the game. When Yamazaki/Inoue died all I could think was "so?" they barely had any character development. Chizuru needs to learn to STFU and GTFO The fight scenes were average but they lose points for rarely actually having a victor. so 6/10 or so. absolutely agreeing XDDD didn't want to express all the negative points as I know i will end up not watching the 2nd season I had high hopes for this show so i tried to endure it eventhough it was putting me to sleep.. The only thing that save me from thinking this show is absolutely pointless is that there will be a season 2... at least there is a potential to improve... |
xxbluebirdxxJun 29, 2010 1:51 PM
Jun 29, 2010 6:14 PM
#94
Jun 30, 2010 7:44 AM
#95
Saki_Angel said: shadowsword said: One of the most useless series I watched. Uninteresting/plain characters with an annoying girl as the protagonist. Next season - more annoying stuff. Can't hope for anything better from this series. Yeah...It's sad cause the art was good though... Totally disappoint. Agreed about the art - that's the only reason I did not give this anime a 1 because the art is good. Anything else is bad about it. |
Jun 30, 2010 1:24 PM
#96
anyway I really liked this anime, I liked the characters, Music, Animation was pretty good, Still A lot of stuff I want to know about, lIke Chizuru's Brother, But theres going to be a 2nd season and hopefully there will be more fighting and Chizuru will be more useful, I still like her though. I give the show 8/10 :D |
Jul 1, 2010 9:25 PM
#97
Jul 2, 2010 9:09 PM
#98
Jul 3, 2010 5:18 PM
#99
Fai said: Ololololol. Suuure. Useless-Sue lead female ? CHECK. Bishonen Guardians? CHECK. Cardboard-Cutout side characterS(seriously did anyone ACTUALLY care for shinsegumi doodles?)? CHECK. Overblown forced drama? CHECK Overdramatic first season ender just so they can milk the stuff more and produce season2, instead of finally shooting the sick horse? CHECK~ Overall: I regret having sat through this. 2/5 for this episode, 1/5 for series. I LOL when i read this comment and It´s completely true xD |
Jul 6, 2010 7:16 AM
#100
I really like the series, but I was kinda looking forward to seeing Chizuru fight once in a whole. I think the writers for the anime wanted to keep the same damsel in distress vibe that comes with most otome games, so I was half expecting her to not fight for herself. I'm a Chizuru fan for sure, but haha, did anybody go "awwww" when Hijikata showed up to fight against Kazama instead of her? I think the problem is that they (shinsengumi) will always be protecting her even if she wanted to do something badass. XP Note: Oh man, western uniform Hijikata. +_+ Chizuru be a lucky, little girl. |
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