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Sep 14, 2009 1:41 PM
#1
Come on,admit it most of them suck. I dislike Louise the most. |
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Sep 14, 2009 1:47 PM
#2
The violent ones, LH's Naru and the Bluehead from FMP especially. Louise was also silly. Senjougahara, Asuka and Katerose on the other hand, would be some of the more or less tsundere characters that I actually liked. As long as they appear more or less real, with well portrayed psychological problems like Asuka or at least not to exaggerated behaviour as with the two others. Hitagi might be stretching the realism a bit, but not in a silly and old way, like most of the violent ones do. |
Sep 14, 2009 1:48 PM
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Sep 14, 2009 1:57 PM
#4
Haruhi Suzumiya. "It's okay that she's an egotistic bitch. She means well inside!" Honestly, gag me. |
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Sep 14, 2009 2:02 PM
#5
Tsundere only goes too far when those considered as such physically abuse the male. Louise is the perfect example of everything that can go wrong with a tsundere. Senjougahara shouldn't even really be mentioned in this topic because she's not a tsundere. Like Ukonkivi explained in another topic, she just has tsundere traits. Also, there's a difference between assaulting someone out of "love" and assaulting someone because you see them as a threat or whatever. Araragi didn't get his mouth stapled out of love. Senjougahara's more recent violent behavior is completely reasonable. If I cheated on a Senjougahara, I'd fucking expect my eye to get taken out by a pencil. You just don't do that shit. And, unlike Louise and other bad tsunderes, there's a reason behind her violent behavior. Why does Louise beat the shit out of Saitoh? Because she's stupid. You could say that the reason she beats the shit out of him is the same reason that Senjougahara threatens Araragi, but in Louise's case, when's the last time she even did something to show affection for the dude? ALMOST FUCKING NEVER. I don't know about the third season; I didn't watch that bullshit. Anyway, the point of this fucking post is that Senjougahara's behavior is reasonable. She's not tsundere; she has openly admitted to having a thing for Araragi and isn't afraid to admit it again. Plus, telling him she would be the one to kill him is the hottest shit ever. Would Louise go that far? No, because she's fucking worthless. She doesn't really love Saitoh or however you fucking spell his bitch ass name. Real love is killing your partner so you can be the closest one to them when they die. |
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Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM
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Sep 14, 2009 2:14 PM
#7
Neverender said: Tsundere only goes too far when those considered as such physically abuse the male. Louise is the perfect example of everything that can go wrong with a tsundere. Senjougahara shouldn't even really be mentioned in this topic because she's not a tsundere. Like Ukonkivi explained in another topic, she just has tsundere traits. Also, there's a difference between assaulting someone out of "love" and assaulting someone because you see them as a threat or whatever. Araragi didn't get his mouth stapled out of love. Senjougahara's more recent violent behavior is completely reasonable. If I cheated on a Senjougahara, I'd fucking expect my eye to get taken out by a pencil. You just don't do that shit. And, unlike Louise and other bad tsunderes, there's a reason behind her violent behavior. Why does Louise beat the shit out of Saitoh? Because she's stupid. You could say that the reason she beats the shit out of him is the same reason that Senjougahara threatens Araragi, but in Louise's case, when's the last time she even did something to show affection for the dude? ALMOST FUCKING NEVER. I don't know about the third season; I didn't watch that bullshit. Anyway, the point of this fucking post is that Senjougahara's behavior is reasonable. She's not tsundere; she has openly admitted to having a thing for Araragi and isn't afraid to admit it again. Plus, telling him she would be the one to kill him is the hottest shit ever. Would Louise go that far? No, because she's fucking worthless. She doesn't really love Saitoh or however you fucking spell his bitch ass name. Real love is killing your partner so you can be the closest one to them when they die. Louise's problem is that she sees her mate as a slave more than a lover and that she is jealous to the extreme. If he even looks at another girl, she whips him. Saito apparently has Stockholm Syndrome. He's resentful towards Louise when he first meets her, but opens up to her pretty quickly and eventually even starts falling in love with her, despite the heavy abuse he gets from her. That aside, I agree with Louise being the most annoying tsundere. All the others (Shana, Nagi, etc.) are far less annoying (or even likable). |
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Sep 14, 2009 2:14 PM
#8
Osaka117 said: I haven't found one yet that didnt annoy me to a great degree, so I cant really pick just one that was more unbearable then the rest *coughRevycough*? Meh i never figured out if she was tsundere or not.... |
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Sep 14, 2009 2:20 PM
#9
AO968 said: Louise's problem is that she sees her mate as a slave more than a lover and that she is jealous to the extreme. If he even looks at another girl, she whips him. Saito apparently has Stockholm Syndrome. He's resentful towards Louise when he first meets her, but opens up to her pretty quickly and eventually even starts falling in love with her, despite the heavy abuse he gets from her. That aside, I agree with Louise being the most annoying tsundere. All the others (Shana, Nagi, etc.) are far less annoying (or even likable). word - except that Shana is approaching Louise levels of unattractive (judging from season 1; didn't watch season 2). Nagi is the best JCRie tsundere, hands down. |
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Sep 14, 2009 3:03 PM
#10
I don't mind the violent tsundere's necessarily, since tsukommi is such a popular form of humor in anime, i'm pretty desensitized to it. The ones I hate are the ones that are ridiculously innocent; almost retardedly unaware of their own feelings and can potentially go 180 when they soften. I'm aware that tsundere implies a softer side, but when it gets too sweet I can't take it. I also hate the ones that constantly demean the male character, like he is a pet or slave or sorts, but if it's a pure comedy this isn't such an issue for me. Taiga was an issue for me for a good bit of Toradora, especially since Ryuji bonded with her even though she didn't treat him much like a human being. I pass off most of Naru and Kaname's violence as the bad punchlines of their series'. If you ignore the jokes, their tsundere personalities are repetitive, but at least vaguely believable. They show some form of affection for the guy on a regular basis, but they're quick to anger. |
Sep 14, 2009 3:04 PM
#11
Gotta go with Louise. |
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Sep 14, 2009 3:41 PM
#12
AO968 said: Neverender said: Tsundere only goes too far when those considered as such physically abuse the male. Louise is the perfect example of everything that can go wrong with a tsundere. Senjougahara shouldn't even really be mentioned in this topic because she's not a tsundere. Like Ukonkivi explained in another topic, she just has tsundere traits. Also, there's a difference between assaulting someone out of "love" and assaulting someone because you see them as a threat or whatever. Araragi didn't get his mouth stapled out of love. Senjougahara's more recent violent behavior is completely reasonable. If I cheated on a Senjougahara, I'd fucking expect my eye to get taken out by a pencil. You just don't do that shit. And, unlike Louise and other bad tsunderes, there's a reason behind her violent behavior. Why does Louise beat the shit out of Saitoh? Because she's stupid. You could say that the reason she beats the shit out of him is the same reason that Senjougahara threatens Araragi, but in Louise's case, when's the last time she even did something to show affection for the dude? ALMOST FUCKING NEVER. I don't know about the third season; I didn't watch that bullshit. Anyway, the point of this fucking post is that Senjougahara's behavior is reasonable. She's not tsundere; she has openly admitted to having a thing for Araragi and isn't afraid to admit it again. Plus, telling him she would be the one to kill him is the hottest shit ever. Would Louise go that far? No, because she's fucking worthless. She doesn't really love Saitoh or however you fucking spell his bitch ass name. Real love is killing your partner so you can be the closest one to them when they die. Louise's problem is that she sees her mate as a slave more than a lover and that she is jealous to the extreme. If he even looks at another girl, she whips him. Saito apparently has Stockholm Syndrome. He's resentful towards Louise when he first meets her, but opens up to her pretty quickly and eventually even starts falling in love with her, despite the heavy abuse he gets from her. That aside, I agree with Louise being the most annoying tsundere. All the others (Shana, Nagi, etc.) are far less annoying (or even likable). Conclusion: Saito actually likes domination exercises. |
Sep 14, 2009 4:15 PM
#13
I find all tsundere incredibly annoying. "Hey let's make the main character a huge asshole" "Great idea! Everybody will be sure to love them, then!" |
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Sep 14, 2009 4:27 PM
#14
Sick_Bastard said: I find all tsundere incredibly annoying. "Hey let's make the main character a huge asshole" "Great idea! Everybody will be sure to love them, then!" But wait, you have Asuka as a favorite. |
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Sep 14, 2009 4:28 PM
#15
insan3soldiern said: Sick_Bastard said: I find all tsundere incredibly annoying. "Hey let's make the main character a huge asshole" "Great idea! Everybody will be sure to love them, then!" But wait, you have Asuka as a favorite. And haruhi. |
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Sep 14, 2009 4:28 PM
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Sep 14, 2009 4:31 PM
#17
Saitoe said: xxangelchanxx said: insan3soldiern said: Sick_Bastard said: I find all tsundere incredibly annoying. "Hey let's make the main character a huge asshole" "Great idea! Everybody will be sure to love them, then!" But wait, you have Asuka as a favorite. And haruhi. maybe he likes annoying characters. Wait, Asuka annoying? Shiiit. |
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Sep 14, 2009 5:02 PM
#18
I liked Louise ;_; then again I'm a bit of a masochist-by-proxy when it comes to anime |
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Sep 14, 2009 5:09 PM
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Sep 14, 2009 5:15 PM
#21
xxangelchanxx said: She's not. And she never even once used any form of violent method against Rock. And when Rock stood against her, Rock just completely owned her.Osaka117 said: I haven't found one yet that didnt annoy me to a great degree, so I cant really pick just one that was more unbearable then the rest *coughRevycough*? Meh i never figured out if she was tsundere or not.... AO968 said: Stockholm syndrome should only apply when it's kidnapping. Anything else is just ... softcore masochism? But I guess he sort of did get kidnapped...Saito apparently has Stockholm Syndrome. He's resentful towards Louise when he first meets her, but opens up to her pretty quickly and eventually even starts falling in love with her, despite the heavy abuse he gets from her. |
Sep 14, 2009 5:58 PM
#22
"Most annoying tsundere?" All tsunderes. I classify Asuka as yandere, so I'm not contradicting. |
Sep 14, 2009 6:20 PM
#23
HappyPear said: "Most annoying tsundere?" All tsunderes. I classify Asuka as yandere, so I'm not contradicting. Asuka a yandere!?!?!? Explain. |
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Sep 14, 2009 6:32 PM
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Sep 14, 2009 10:31 PM
#26
None of them. I get more annoyed and seriously pissed off against whiny characters than I do tsunderes. |
Sep 14, 2009 10:46 PM
#27
Would Akane from Ranma 1/2 count as a tsundere or mild tsundere? She's kind of annoying in ways.. Taiga from ToraDora pissed me of a lot till I dropped it in the end, Haruhi also. It's just stupid that Haruhi thinks the world revolves around her, and in truth the whole fcking anime revolves around her. |
Sep 14, 2009 10:53 PM
#28
The most annoying one is definitely Louis so far that I find. xxangelchanxx said: Come on,admit it most of them suck. I disagree, as I love Hiiragi Kagami of Lucky Star^_^ as a character mind you. |
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Sep 14, 2009 11:21 PM
#29
Mawootad said: I'm gonna break the mold and say Tomoya from Clannad for being generally whiny and picking the annoying moe-blob. It's Tomoyo, and I'm not sure if she should be classified as Tsundere. The character that fits the classification in Clannad is Kyou, if anyone. |
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Sep 14, 2009 11:31 PM
#30
insan3soldiern said: Mawootad said: I'm gonna break the mold and say Tomoya from Clannad for being generally whiny and picking the annoying moe-blob. It's Tomoyo, and I'm not sure if she should be classified as Tsundere. The character that fits the classification in Clannad is Kyou, if anyone. I think he meant Tomoya because Tomoyo doesn't pick Nagisa. And Tomoya's not tsundere, he's Nakamura Yuuichi. Also this: Baman said: Senjougahara, Asuka and Katerose on the other hand, would be some of the more or less tsundere characters that I actually liked. |
Sep 14, 2009 11:55 PM
#31
Pretty much any violent one. I still don't understand why every single violent one beats the crap out of the guy when it's their fault. Guess it's just the women refusing to admit their the ones who are wrong (nothing new there...). There aren't many that I do like to be honest, but Nagi and Shana are at least bearable. |
Sep 15, 2009 12:07 AM
#32
qtipbrit said: insan3soldiern said: Mawootad said: I'm gonna break the mold and say Tomoya from Clannad for being generally whiny and picking the annoying moe-blob. It's Tomoyo, and I'm not sure if she should be classified as Tsundere. The character that fits the classification in Clannad is Kyou, if anyone. I think he meant Tomoya because Tomoyo doesn't pick Nagisa. And Tomoya's not tsundere, he's Nakamura Yuuichi. Also this: Baman said: Senjougahara, Asuka and Katerose on the other hand, would be some of the more or less tsundere characters that I actually liked. Ah, Yeah I re-read it and I still can't figure out how choosing Nagisa makes him a Tsundere. Doesn't make sense. And, oh yeah, Shana and Nagi can be annoying at times imo. Come to think of it the only "tsunderes" I really like are Haruhi, Asuka, and Kyou. But, honestly, I personally dislike the term. It's almost as though we trivialize the character when we call them that. |
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Sep 15, 2009 12:16 AM
#33
xxangelchanxx said: I dislike Louise the most. I find her to be utterly worthless. Nothing about her to be likeable. Hence, I don't even bother to watch this series. |
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Sep 15, 2009 12:18 PM
#34
AirStyles said: The most annoying one is definitely Louis so far that I find. xxangelchanxx said: Come on,admit it most of them suck. I disagree, as I love Hiiragi Kagami of Lucky Star^_^ as a character mind you. Kagami is not physically violent,which makes her entertaining.And most of the time when she gets pissed it actually kinda makes sense. |
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Sep 15, 2009 12:43 PM
#35
Sep 15, 2009 12:45 PM
#36
All loli's. Except the ones from Higurashi. They're cool. |
Sep 15, 2009 12:47 PM
#37
Jaapsneep said: All loli's. Except the ones from Higurashi. They're cool. If you count flat as being Loli then that's quite a few. :'D |
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Sep 15, 2009 1:02 PM
#38
Louise for sure, i don't like it when Tsundere get abusive, which is what the entire show ZnT is based off >.> Shana is probably my favorite Tsundere though since i really enjoyed her interactions with Yuji. Watching her discover these new feelings of love and jealousy was awesome and i total understood why she acted like she did. She she might have been unreasonable at some point during that show but like i said she was still discovering herself. And she has yet to cross into Louise land which always a plus. |
Sep 15, 2009 1:05 PM
#39
Sep 15, 2009 1:08 PM
#40
insan3soldiern said: Maybe you misunderstood - I meant that Tomoya is annoying because he picked moe-blob Nagisa. He's a tsundere because, well, he meets the characteristics of a male tsundere (the criteria are slightly different between males and females. For a much stronger example of a male tsundere, check out Roger from Big O and Lelouch from CG).qtipbrit said: insan3soldiern said: Mawootad said: I'm gonna break the mold and say Tomoya from Clannad for being generally whiny and picking the annoying moe-blob. It's Tomoyo, and I'm not sure if she should be classified as Tsundere. The character that fits the classification in Clannad is Kyou, if anyone. I think he meant Tomoya because Tomoyo doesn't pick Nagisa. And Tomoya's not tsundere, he's Nakamura Yuuichi. Also this: Baman said: Senjougahara, Asuka and Katerose on the other hand, would be some of the more or less tsundere characters that I actually liked. Ah, Yeah I re-read it and I still can't figure out how choosing Nagisa makes him a Tsundere. Doesn't make sense. And, oh yeah, Shana and Nagi can be annoying at times imo. Come to think of it the only "tsunderes" I really like are Haruhi, Asuka, and Kyou. But, honestly, I personally dislike the term. It's almost as though we trivialize the character when we call them that. |
Sep 15, 2009 1:10 PM
#41
Mawootad said: Maybe you misunderstood - I meant that Tomoya is annoying because he picked moe-blob Nagisa. He's a tsundere because, well, he meets the characteristics of a male tsundere (the criteria are slightly different between males and females. For a much stronger example of a male tsundere, check out Roger from Big O and Lelouch from CG). But isen't there ova's for Tomoya to end up with Tomoyo and Kyou? |
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Sep 15, 2009 4:58 PM
#42
Mawootad said: insan3soldiern said: Maybe you misunderstood - I meant that Tomoya is annoying because he picked moe-blob Nagisa. He's a tsundere because, well, he meets the characteristics of a male tsundere (the criteria are slightly different between males and females. For a much stronger example of a male tsundere, check out Roger from Big O and Lelouch from CG).qtipbrit said: insan3soldiern said: Mawootad said: I'm gonna break the mold and say Tomoya from Clannad for being generally whiny and picking the annoying moe-blob. It's Tomoyo, and I'm not sure if she should be classified as Tsundere. The character that fits the classification in Clannad is Kyou, if anyone. I think he meant Tomoya because Tomoyo doesn't pick Nagisa. And Tomoya's not tsundere, he's Nakamura Yuuichi. Also this: Baman said: Senjougahara, Asuka and Katerose on the other hand, would be some of the more or less tsundere characters that I actually liked. Ah, Yeah I re-read it and I still can't figure out how choosing Nagisa makes him a Tsundere. Doesn't make sense. And, oh yeah, Shana and Nagi can be annoying at times imo. Come to think of it the only "tsunderes" I really like are Haruhi, Asuka, and Kyou. But, honestly, I personally dislike the term. It's almost as though we trivialize the character when we call them that. Different criteria between males and females? How so? The only defining trait of a Mandere that sets him apart from female tsunderes is the possession of a penis. Shinichi Chiaki of Nodame Cantabile and Irie Naoki of Itazura na Kiss are personality-wise no different from the female tsundere archetype. |
Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM
#43
xxangelchanxx said: Two one episode OVAs are not enough to make up for two full seasons of choosing the moe-blob (and don't give me any crap about he didn't decide until the end of the first season, it was obvious from the first episode who the winner was going to be).But isen't there ova's for Tomoya to end up with Tomoyo and Kyou? qtipbrit said: It's mostly in terms of strength and how they go tsuntsun and deredere. Male tsunderes (in general) tend to be more sarcastic/caustic, less violent, less deredere, and altogether more mellow than female tsunderes (who are significantly more likely to turn to mush or beat the crap out of their love interest at the drop of a hat).Different criteria between males and females? How so? The only defining trait of a Mandere that sets him apart from female tsunderes is the possession of a penis. Shinichi Chiaki of Nodame Cantabile and Irie Naoki of Itazura na Kiss are personality-wise no different from the female tsundere archetype. |
Sep 15, 2009 5:26 PM
#44
Sep 15, 2009 5:27 PM
#45
Mawootad said: xxangelchanxx said: Two one episode OVAs are not enough to make up for two full seasons of choosing the moe-blob (and don't give me any crap about he didn't decide until the end of the first season, it was obvious from the first episode who the winner was going to be).But isen't there ova's for Tomoya to end up with Tomoyo and Kyou? qtipbrit said: It's mostly in terms of strength and how they go tsuntsun and deredere. Male tsunderes (in general) tend to be more sarcastic/caustic, less violent, less deredere, and altogether more mellow than female tsunderes (who are significantly more likely to turn to mush or beat the crap out of their love interest at the drop of a hat).Different criteria between males and females? How so? The only defining trait of a Mandere that sets him apart from female tsunderes is the possession of a penis. Shinichi Chiaki of Nodame Cantabile and Irie Naoki of Itazura na Kiss are personality-wise no different from the female tsundere archetype. I think it's rather stupid to not like a character because he fell for the girl who, ultimately, had the most positive impact on his life. I mean, I would probably have went with her to. But, you are right about one thing: it was obvious who he'd go with. |
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Sep 15, 2009 5:28 PM
#46
elfen1ied said: Opinions opinions |
Sep 15, 2009 5:34 PM
#47
insan3soldiern said: But, you are right about one thing: it was obvious who he'd go with. Like every other harem Air? misuzu Kanon? Ayu Its all the same crap. :( |
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Sep 15, 2009 5:39 PM
#48
xxangelchanxx said: insan3soldiern said: But, you are right about one thing: it was obvious who he'd go with. Like every other harem Air? misuzu Kanon? Ayu Its all the same crap. :( Hold on only in the moive had misuzu and Yukito fell in love >_> not in the anime series. |
Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM
#49
Animefan710 said: xxangelchanxx said: insan3soldiern said: But, you are right about one thing: it was obvious who he'd go with. Like every other harem Air? misuzu Kanon? Ayu Its all the same crap. :( Hold on only in the moive had misuzu and Yukito fell in love >_> not in the anime series. Phs same thing if were someone if would have been her anyway. |
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Sep 15, 2009 5:41 PM
#50
xxangelchanxx (Female) said: insan3soldiern said: But, you are right about one thing: it was obvious who he'd go with. Like every other harem Air? misuzu Kanon? Ayu Its all the same crap. :( They're still great shows. You could just play the vns to end up whith whomever you want, but it would be nice if they didn't make it so blatantly obvious by the first episode. And, btw, isn't this whole discussion quite off-topic? |
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