Japan's Weekly Manga Rankings for Aug 8 - 14

Never heard of Dungeon Meshi before, looks like somthing generic but i'll give it a try.

Aug 23, 2016 7:18 AM by Effulgence

harkan said:
^No need to get all pissy about it , we are just talking about something else now ...

Change of subjects happen a lot during a conversation.

Yep, but there was no change of subject.

Aug 20, 2016 11:22 AM by bigivelfhq

^No need to get all pissy about it , we are just talking about something else now ...

Change of subjects happen a lot during a conversation.

Aug 20, 2016 3:06 AM by harkan

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:
[spoiler]

hpulley said:

tr1ckst3r said:

keragamming said:

tr1ckst3r said:
I'm starting to believe in the digital sales boom is the reason for the decline to be honest.

Can't say for sure about the volume(tankobon) release but lately more and more people start buying Jump Magazine digital copies instead of the physical copy, maybe digital book is slowly getting bigger and bigger in Japan.

I've said the same thing as well, but there's no concrete proof to back up that claim, since they don't show the digital sales figures.

Yeah, that's why I said I can't say for sure for the volume release, but when it comes to the maagzine weekly issues, it's true that more and more people start using digital copies.

+ @keragamming

And we don't know how many digital copies are even paid for. I don't just mean through piracy either as many official manga apps and web pages are free. They are meant to be ads for the print version but of course many people just read them online and never bother to buy the tankobons. Others may read uploads.

Amazon doesn't release Kindle figures. Overall we're in the dark for digital sales so there is no way to know if it is making up the gap in print sales or if those losses are mostly gone.

Also not forget that Oricon doesn't track every store, so it can happen(even though improbable) that people just aren't buy the manga in Oricon tracked stores and are moving to other stores.

I would say that is unlikely in general but there are special cases where it is true especially if bonuses are offered at non-Oricon stores or if books are only or mostly offered at stores which do not report at all. Reports of print sales declining and magazines going out of business seem to indicate that, sadly, the decline is real.

[/spoiler]

What print sales declining are you talking about?

Oricon doesn't track magazines sales!

Oricon isn't the only source.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/

That is not the point. We were talking about One Piece decline and it being due to Digital increase sales or change buyers from Oricon Tracked to non Tracked Stores.

Shounen Jump dropping too, wish I could find something a bit more recent but down from 6 million in the mid nineties to 2.4 million almost a year and a half ago and I suspect even lower now.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-28/top-manga-magazines-circulation-dropped-10-percent-in-1-year/.87596
Guess we'll see what MyJump does if anything to the magazine and tankobon sales.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-08-07/myjump-customizable-manga-subscription-app-launches-video-previews-streamed/.105116
If MyJump is a popular enough app its revenues could be reported by AppStore and PlayStore which would be interesting.

Am I in the Twilight Zone? Why are you talking of a totally unrelated subject than the one talked previously? And who said that I don't know about the Magazine Print Numbers?

What is hard to understand? How one series is doing has almost nothing to do with the state of the Magazine to begin with, The companies that track the volumes sales and the Magazine print are completely different, and so what they track is also different. The volumes is Oricon, the Magazine print is the "Japan Magazine Publishers Association".
So what has the magazine decline in sales anything to do with One Piece decline in sales tracked by Oricon, and the possibility that is just people not buying the volumes in Oricon tracked stores?

The Magazine sales has been declining since 1995, One Piece came in 1997 it had its first peak in 2003, its second peak in 2012 and for all that time the magazine was in decline, with exception around 2010 that for the first time in a long time increased circulation.

Aug 20, 2016 12:52 AM by bigivelfhq

Hopefully the One Piece sales will pick up in traction when the meat of this arc starts to happen. I'm waiting for Sanji and Brook to do something badass. When the real fights start happening I'm hoping sales will boost up a bit. Of course with digital sales it is hard to say. Too bad we don't have records of digital sales, I want to know if OP really is declining or if people are just buying digital instead. As long as it continues to pull 2 million though I'm not to worried.

Aug 19, 2016 5:39 PM by sman3579

harkan said:

hpulley said:
Thanks @Harkan

Still dropping 10% a year. Lost 66% in 20 years. Faster now. Be under 2 million soon.

Its a general magazine decline.
Those drops aren't just people moving on to digital.

if you look at Sunday, you will see that it lost 500k readers in 8 years, that's a brutal drop for Sunday standards.

I am surprised Sunday Shounen is still being published.

Aug 19, 2016 4:24 PM by hpulley

Manga market size is largely flat after 2009,print sales is being replaced by digital/web sales.

Print Magazines sales declining very fast.
Print tanko bon sales slightly declining.
Digital manga sales growing very fast.

Aug 19, 2016 4:20 PM by umashikaneko

hpulley said:
Thanks @Harkan

Still dropping 10% a year. Lost 66% in 20 years. Faster now. Be under 2 million soon.

Its a general magazine decline.
Those drops aren't just people moving on to digital.

if you look at Sunday, you will see that it lost 500k readers in 8 years, that's a brutal drop for Sunday standards.

Aug 19, 2016 3:47 PM by harkan

Thanks @Harkan

Still dropping 10% a year. Lost 66% in 20 years. Faster now. Be under 2 million soon.

Aug 19, 2016 2:58 PM by hpulley

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:
[spoiler]

hpulley said:

tr1ckst3r said:

keragamming said:

tr1ckst3r said:
I'm starting to believe in the digital sales boom is the reason for the decline to be honest.

Can't say for sure about the volume(tankobon) release but lately more and more people start buying Jump Magazine digital copies instead of the physical copy, maybe digital book is slowly getting bigger and bigger in Japan.

I've said the same thing as well, but there's no concrete proof to back up that claim, since they don't show the digital sales figures.

Yeah, that's why I said I can't say for sure for the volume release, but when it comes to the maagzine weekly issues, it's true that more and more people start using digital copies.

+ @keragamming

And we don't know how many digital copies are even paid for. I don't just mean through piracy either as many official manga apps and web pages are free. They are meant to be ads for the print version but of course many people just read them online and never bother to buy the tankobons. Others may read uploads.

Amazon doesn't release Kindle figures. Overall we're in the dark for digital sales so there is no way to know if it is making up the gap in print sales or if those losses are mostly gone.

Also not forget that Oricon doesn't track every store, so it can happen(even though improbable) that people just aren't buy the manga in Oricon tracked stores and are moving to other stores.

I would say that is unlikely in general but there are special cases where it is true especially if bonuses are offered at non-Oricon stores or if books are only or mostly offered at stores which do not report at all. Reports of print sales declining and magazines going out of business seem to indicate that, sadly, the decline is real.

[/spoiler]

What print sales declining are you talking about?

Oricon doesn't track magazines sales!

Oricon isn't the only source.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/

That is not the point. We were talking about One Piece decline and it being due to Digital increase sales or change buyers from Oricon Tracked to non Tracked Stores.

Shounen Jump dropping too, wish I could find something a bit more recent but down from 6 million in the mid nineties to 2.4 million almost a year and a half ago and I suspect even lower now.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-28/top-manga-magazines-circulation-dropped-10-percent-in-1-year/.87596
Guess we'll see what MyJump does if anything to the magazine and tankobon sales.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-08-07/myjump-customizable-manga-subscription-app-launches-video-previews-streamed/.105116
If MyJump is a popular enough app its revenues could be reported by AppStore and PlayStore which would be interesting.

Assclass ended and it dropped a bit more , its now at 2.16M

its likely OP will continue to decline

Aug 19, 2016 1:58 PM by harkan

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

Oricon isn't the only source.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/

That is not the point. We were talking about One Piece decline and it being due to Digital increase sales or change buyers from Oricon Tracked to non Tracked Stores.

Shounen Jump dropping too, wish I could find something a bit more recent but down from 6 million in the mid nineties to 2.4 million almost a year and a half ago and I suspect even lower now.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-28/top-manga-magazines-circulation-dropped-10-percent-in-1-year/.87596
Guess we'll see what MyJump does if anything to the magazine and tankobon sales.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-08-07/myjump-customizable-manga-subscription-app-launches-video-previews-streamed/.105116
If MyJump is a popular enough app its revenues could be reported by AppStore and PlayStore which would be interesting.

Aug 19, 2016 7:41 AM by hpulley

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

[/spoiler]

What print sales declining are you talking about?

Oricon doesn't track magazines sales!

Oricon isn't the only source.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/

That is not the point. We were talking about One Piece decline and it being due to Digital increase sales or change buyers from Oricon Tracked to non Tracked Stores.

Aug 19, 2016 7:13 AM by bigivelfhq

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

I would say that is unlikely in general but there are special cases where it is true especially if bonuses are offered at non-Oricon stores or if books are only or mostly offered at stores which do not report at all. Reports of print sales declining and magazines going out of business seem to indicate that, sadly, the decline is real.

What print sales declining are you talking about?

Oricon doesn't track magazines sales!

Oricon isn't the only source.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/

Aug 19, 2016 5:35 AM by hpulley

hpulley said:

bigivelfhq said:

Also not forget that Oricon doesn't track every store, so it can happen(even though improbable) that people just aren't buy the manga in Oricon tracked stores and are moving to other stores.

I would say that is unlikely in general but there are special cases where it is true especially if bonuses are offered at non-Oricon stores or if books are only or mostly offered at stores which do not report at all. Reports of print sales declining and magazines going out of business seem to indicate that, sadly, the decline is real.

What print sales declining are you talking about?

Oricon doesn't track magazines sales!

Aug 18, 2016 11:47 PM by bigivelfhq

bigivelfhq said:

hpulley said:

+ @keragamming

And we don't know how many digital copies are even paid for. I don't just mean through piracy either as many official manga apps and web pages are free. They are meant to be ads for the print version but of course many people just read them online and never bother to buy the tankobons. Others may read uploads.

Amazon doesn't release Kindle figures. Overall we're in the dark for digital sales so there is no way to know if it is making up the gap in print sales or if those losses are mostly gone.

Also not forget that Oricon doesn't track every store, so it can happen(even though improbable) that people just aren't buy the manga in Oricon tracked stores and are moving to other stores.

I would say that is unlikely in general but there are special cases where it is true especially if bonuses are offered at non-Oricon stores or if books are only or mostly offered at stores which do not report at all. Reports of print sales declining and magazines going out of business seem to indicate that, sadly, the decline is real.

Aug 18, 2016 11:56 AM by hpulley

hpulley said:

tr1ckst3r said:

Yeah, that's why I said I can't say for sure for the volume release, but when it comes to the maagzine weekly issues, it's true that more and more people start using digital copies.

+ @keragamming

And we don't know how many digital copies are even paid for. I don't just mean through piracy either as many official manga apps and web pages are free. They are meant to be ads for the print version but of course many people just read them online and never bother to buy the tankobons. Others may read uploads.

Amazon doesn't release Kindle figures. Overall we're in the dark for digital sales so there is no way to know if it is making up the gap in print sales or if those losses are mostly gone.

Also not forget that Oricon doesn't track every store, so it can happen(even though improbable) that people just aren't buy the manga in Oricon tracked stores and are moving to other stores.

Aug 18, 2016 11:50 AM by bigivelfhq

tr1ckst3r said:

keragamming said:

I've said the same thing as well, but there's no concrete proof to back up that claim, since they don't show the digital sales figures.

Yeah, that's why I said I can't say for sure for the volume release, but when it comes to the maagzine weekly issues, it's true that more and more people start using digital copies.

+ @keragamming

And we don't know how many digital copies are even paid for. I don't just mean through piracy either as many official manga apps and web pages are free. They are meant to be ads for the print version but of course many people just read them online and never bother to buy the tankobons. Others may read uploads.

Amazon doesn't release Kindle figures. Overall we're in the dark for digital sales so there is no way to know if it is making up the gap in print sales or if those losses are mostly gone.

Aug 18, 2016 10:01 AM by hpulley

keragamming said:

tr1ckst3r said:
I'm starting to believe in the digital sales boom is the reason for the decline to be honest.

Can't say for sure about the volume(tankobon) release but lately more and more people start buying Jump Magazine digital copies instead of the physical copy, maybe digital book is slowly getting bigger and bigger in Japan.

I've said the same thing as well, but there's no concrete proof to back up that claim, since they don't show the digital sales figures.

Yeah, that's why I said I can't say for sure for the volume release, but when it comes to the maagzine weekly issues, it's true that more and more people start using digital copies.

Aug 18, 2016 9:17 AM by tr1ckst3r

tr1ckst3r said:
I'm starting to believe in the digital sales boom is the reason for the decline to be honest.

Can't say for sure about the volume(tankobon) release but lately more and more people start buying Jump Magazine digital copies instead of the physical copy, maybe digital book is slowly getting bigger and bigger in Japan.

I've said the same thing as well, but there's no concrete proof to back up that claim, since they don't show the digital sales figures.

Aug 18, 2016 9:13 AM by keragamming

I'm starting to believe in the digital sales boom is the reason for the decline to be honest.

Can't say for sure about the volume(tankobon) release but lately more and more people start buying Jump Magazine digital copies instead of the physical copy, maybe digital book is slowly getting bigger and bigger in Japan.

Aug 18, 2016 8:59 AM by tr1ckst3r

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