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Jan 19, 11:56 AM
#1
Yesterday I read a tweet that contained the words "the people who got into anime 3 years ago for culture war reasons", and the phrase has been living in my head ever since. I don't know if it exists or not (I want to know if it does), but the idea goes hand-in-hand with certain concepts I've been thinking about lately, such as
Probably the best latest example being "Stellar Blade", which was thought to be "A GAME MADE TO COMBAT WOKENESS AND-" when in reality it just looks the same as most Korean games do (I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?). Which brings the question: Is there a wave of people that came to anime thinking it was a "culture war stance" against "uglyfication" or any other nonsense? Do they exist? What do they usually watch? Where do they usually congregate? Do they even watch anime at all or do they just use it as a cudgel? |
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Jan 19, 12:20 PM
#2
Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies. |
Jan 19, 12:35 PM
#3
I'm sure there are people like that. Personally, I've started noticing more "politically-minded" media critics on YouTube in the past few years. Many of them don't seem to have a lot to say about the media itself, but all the "stuff" around the media. I'm not sure if they're just not knowledgeable about the media, or if they are knowledgeable but are riling people up and getting clicks. Maybe these types have always been there and I just didn't know about them. Or it could be a recent trend. But people pick up hobbies for all kinds of reasons, many of them equally dumb (or dumber). I don't really understand why it makes so many people irrationally angry. There are always going to be people with petty and terrible takes. |
Jan 19, 12:39 PM
#4
"Stellar Blade" basically just reminds me of "Bullet Witch" from 2006. Only with 4k graphics, skimpier costumes, more RPG driven, and longer game play. No one gave a shit about "Bullet Witch" because barely anyone even knew it existed in the 1st place. One of the key aspects about playing "Bullet Witch" was controlling an extremely sexy female character in 3rd person where one could unlock different outfits often replaying the game just so the players would get to see upskirt shots of the character they were controlling. lol Where the developer's obviously spent a great amount of time and detail of the characters panties for a 128-bit game on the xbox 360. Besides what does this video game have to really do with Anime anyways? If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes. |
ColourWheelJan 19, 2:45 PM
Jan 19, 12:40 PM
#5
thewiru said: I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE? I have actually never heard of any of those, but I don't know Stellar Blade either. |
その目だれの目? |
Jan 19, 12:46 PM
#6
Yes. Hollywood became unwatchable, so I picked something else. I mean I did watch some shows before, but I can count on what hand those. thewiru said: Probably the best latest example being "Stellar Blade", which was thought to be "A GAME MADE TO COMBAT WOKENESS AND-" when in reality it just looks the same as most Korean games do (I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?). When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic, the devs actually responded, saying that they literally modelled her after a real woman. We are in a stupid situation where not participating in the culture war is in and of itself a strong stance. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 1:05 PM
#7
What does "getting into anime for culture war reasons" even mean? I definitely know people who are vocal about being fed up with most of western media and having found an alternative in anime, but I doubt there are too many people who just pretend to be into anime to "fight the woke" or something like that. It sounds more like the usual straw man arguments to talk down to people. There surely are a few people like that out there, but I would rather talk about something actually relevant People I see arguing about Stellar Blade "combating wokeness" seem to talk more about the increasing popularity of these type of games and how this defeats the "woke narrative" that modern audiences don't want to see this sort of stuff. It has nothing to do with Stellar Blade being somehow revolutionary "anti-woke" in-off itself. |
Jan 19, 2:11 PM
#8
Reply to JaniSIr
Yes. Hollywood became unwatchable, so I picked something else.
I mean I did watch some shows before, but I can count on what hand those.
When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic, the devs actually responded, saying that they literally modelled her after a real woman.
We are in a stupid situation where not participating in the culture war is in and of itself a strong stance.
I mean I did watch some shows before, but I can count on what hand those.
thewiru said:
Probably the best latest example being "Stellar Blade", which was thought to be "A GAME MADE TO COMBAT WOKENESS AND-" when in reality it just looks the same as most Korean games do (I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?).
Probably the best latest example being "Stellar Blade", which was thought to be "A GAME MADE TO COMBAT WOKENESS AND-" when in reality it just looks the same as most Korean games do (I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?).
When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic, the devs actually responded, saying that they literally modelled her after a real woman.
We are in a stupid situation where not participating in the culture war is in and of itself a strong stance.
JaniSIr said: When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic Again, who's "people"? I remember the drama at the time where people would make collages of articles that were supposedly "lambasting the game", then I actually went to read those articles... and they were speaking positively about it. People were so unnable to read past headlines that the article people spammed me that "LOOK, THEY'RE SAYING SHE'S A DOLL!" was actually a pro-sexy characters one. |
Jan 19, 2:13 PM
#9
Reply to Lucifrost
thewiru said:
I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?
I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?
I have actually never heard of any of those, but I don't know Stellar Blade either.
@Lucifrost Those were/are very popular MMORPGs from Korea with a certain distinct "common artstyle choices" among them that I really can't put into words rather than just "Korean style". Stellar Blade was a Nier clone from last year. InB4 "what's Nier?" |
Jan 19, 2:20 PM
#10
I feel like people like you just don't want to or can't wrap your heads around the issue of wokeness, so you just whip up some half-baked "both sides" rhetoric to justify your consequent apathy. It's not like there's one group of weird nerds online who want media to be one way and another that want it a different way, it really is just one huge push to enshittify everything Look up "Environmental, Social, and Governance". thewiru said: Probably the best latest example being "Stellar Blade", which was thought to be "A GAME MADE TO COMBAT WOKENESS AND-" when in reality it just looks the same as most Korean games do (I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?). No one thought Stellar Blade was made with any such intentions, but it entered the discourse since it is a triple-A game released in 2024 that is apparently non-woke (which is more or less the same as anti-woke) I don't know if it's actually non-woke since I won't play it until it's available on PC free of DRM and I can install a mod to make Eve's butt ludicrously big. |
Jan 19, 3:00 PM
#11
Reply to thewiru
JaniSIr said:
When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic
When people complained about Stellar Blade's MC being unrealistic
Again, who's "people"?
I remember the drama at the time where people would make collages of articles that were supposedly "lambasting the game", then I actually went to read those articles... and they were speaking positively about it.
People were so unnable to read past headlines that the article people spammed me that "LOOK, THEY'RE SAYING SHE'S A DOLL!" was actually a pro-sexy characters one.
@thewiru Apparently the biggest source of drama was the editor of IGN France on Reddit. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 3:07 PM
#12
Reply to Lucifrost
thewiru said:
I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?
I SWEAR, HAVE THIS PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF AION? BLADE&SOUL? BDO? TERA ONLINE?
I have actually never heard of any of those, but I don't know Stellar Blade either.
@Lucifrost For the purposes of this discussion all you need to know is that they are Korean games with female outfits that show a lot of skin. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 3:10 PM
#13
Jan 19, 3:33 PM
#14
I'm not really a culture warrior in that sense but I do enjoy watching "controversial" anime like Goblin Slayer/Interspecies Reviewers/Keijo/Gushing Over Magical Girls. Politically speaking I'm anti-censorship, so I would feel the same way even if I were timewarped back to the 90s or 2000s and it were right-wing christians attacking anime, it just so happens that in modern times it's primarily wokeist/SJW types. |
Jan 19, 4:34 PM
#15
I can't really think of any particular instances but I can 100% say that I have seen a lot of claiming of Japanese culture by right wingers online. I guess MAYBE you could consider the vtuber Nux Taku (who has since gone full on into right-wing politics on his second channel since 2023 while also having a creepy parasocial relationship with Jaiden Animations) telling people to inflate the score of Interspecies Reviewers to "Own FUNimation for cancelling the dub" as an example of trying to get people onto a specific show for culture war reasons (especially since right wingers HATED FUNimation at the time), but this was before his full on dive into become a grifter so I don't think this really counts. Before I have some weirdos dogpiling onto me, I have been accused by some of getting into Japanese anime "for culture war reasons" when in reality I was here well before I started being vocal about my progressive beliefs and before I was even aware of me being trans. Hell I was here before I even started to become progressive. I've been watching shows casually since around 2009 and fully deep dived around 2016 and mainly got into Japanese anime because they were the "cool cartoons with interesting art" that I would see on TV as a child. While I haven't been watching as much stuff over the past few years, it is more due to me prioritizing other things like my education, mental health, and video games as Japanese anime was only ever my secondary hobby but it is one I have a deep connection to. I am trying to watch a little bit more this year than I did last but I know that no matter how much I watch or analyze I will always be seen as an outsider despite my length of time engaging with Japanese animation solely due to basic elements of my existence, it being my secondary hobby, and my own beliefs seemingly contradicting a lot of the vocal members of the community. |
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Jan 19, 4:43 PM
#16
@ColourWheel If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes. I am glad to see someone else who actively is aware of this situation on this website considering it is pretty dire right now and their definition of "pornography" is extremely broad. Reading through their plans made me feel so sick and the way they label any LGBTQ+ content as "pornography" is very concerning to say the least. Their end goal is essentially Religious Puritanism where only heterosexual content deemed "wholesome" and/or without any sexual content whatsoever will be allowed to exist in the public eye whether it be on the streets or in entertainment. I hope there is something that the populace can do to help fight back against this as it is not only a threat to creativity but to just basic elements of humanity. I as both a creative and a queer woman for sure don't want to see this Hays Code-esque censorship return |
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Jan 19, 4:56 PM
#17
There is a reason why anime/manga is dominating and it's because too much money was funneled into Hollywood and other slop, so people are not interesting in making quality product, but only making more money. They know perfectly well, that consoomers will gobble it up, despite all ambition and creativity from those products being long gone and it's just a cashcow at this point. There is still some sorry of passion and ambition when it comes to anime, but by seeing how it became more popular and mainstream in recent years and how all of the worst people got interested, I'm afraid it won't last forever. |
Jan 19, 5:24 PM
#18
LSSJ_Gaming said: I am glad to see someone else who actively is aware of this situation on this website considering it is pretty dire right now and their definition of "pornography" is extremely broad. Reading through their plans made me feel so sick and the way they label any LGBTQ+ content as "pornography" is very concerning to say the least. Their end goal is essentially Religious Puritanism where only heterosexual content deemed "wholesome" and/or without any sexual content whatsoever will be allowed to exist in the public eye whether it be on the streets or in entertainment. I hope there is something that the populace can do to help fight back against this as it is not only a threat to creativity but to just basic elements of humanity. I as both a creative and a queer woman for sure don't want to see this Hays Code-esque censorship return The hilarious thing about these new ID laws is they are requiring adult websites to have Users upload a their ID every 60 minutes. Which serves no real purpose other than to shame the Users for trying to access online porn. Such a thing doesn't particularly effect me since I don't normally visit porn sites like some people I know but even if I did I wouldn't put my personal info potentially up for grabs to identity thieves. I know someone who use to work in the porn industry on the tech side in the mid 2000s. They were telling me once how easy it was for user data such as user names and passwords to be stolen through just server-side vulnerabilities. Adult websites will soon be prime targets for hackers who wish to try to steal peoples actual identities. |
Jan 19, 6:04 PM
#19
Reply to Piromysl
There is a reason why anime/manga is dominating and it's because too much money was funneled into Hollywood and other slop, so people are not interesting in making quality product, but only making more money. They know perfectly well, that consoomers will gobble it up, despite all ambition and creativity from those products being long gone and it's just a cashcow at this point.
There is still some sorry of passion and ambition when it comes to anime, but by seeing how it became more popular and mainstream in recent years and how all of the worst people got interested, I'm afraid it won't last forever.
There is still some sorry of passion and ambition when it comes to anime, but by seeing how it became more popular and mainstream in recent years and how all of the worst people got interested, I'm afraid it won't last forever.
@Piromysl I'm sorry but this argument is pretty dumb considering how overproduced anime is. There's so much slop out there cuz of how heavy the output is to maximize profit rather than focusing solely on quality. The quantity of output has actively ballooned out of control since the 2010s with hundreds of shows coming out in any given season. How many of these shows actively stick with people and are of high quality? I doubt it is even close to half for any given season. A lot of seasonal watchers do the exact behaviour you describe of "gobbling up stuff solely made for profit" by just watching shows for the sake of watching something rather than curating their experiences and looking for things that stick with them long term. Besides where is the actual creativity? Most of the shows in any given season aren't originals, they are just straightforward adaptations of existing manga and novels with very little changes or additions to the source material being shot for shot remakes. Not saying that is necessarily a bad thing but you cannot for the life of me call that super creative compared to shows and movies that build their world and stories from the ground up, regardless of if they are quality entertainment or not. |
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Jan 19, 6:35 PM
#20
That's apretty stupid reason to get into anime. |
Jan 19, 6:35 PM
#21
you either with us or against us is so common people will join the culture wars the more it spreads anyway |
Jan 19, 6:37 PM
#22
ItachiDeltaForce said: @LSSJ_Gaming but that ideology has been seeping into the western gaming industry & western entertainment media in general as of late with coporations & companies exploiting the LGBT movement & pushing agendas This is just paranoia. The Western gaming industry and Western entertainment media in general isn't being forced by law to do what they are doing and it's not like everything they are producing will always includes the "Woke-boogieman" some seem to be so concerned about. You are talking about pushing agendas where coming from a neutral perspective there is also an "Anti-woke" agenda that is sometimes even far more extreme in most aspects. Where people will be willing to defend wanting to reverse decades of social progress just for the sake of not wanting certain things to simply exist. Where I currently live there is a local library that just closed down recently due to conservatives in my state ended up basically banning almost half the books they offered. Some literature that has been around since the end of the sexual revolution in the 1970s way before anyone was bitching about "woke" this and "woke" that. If people want things to be like the 50s again, go buy tube TV and only watch 1950s sitcoms, destroy your computer and cellphone and stop using the internet, and go buy a typewriter as a replacement. lol |
ColourWheelJan 19, 6:46 PM
Jan 19, 6:42 PM
#23
Reply to ColourWheel
ItachiDeltaForce said:
@LSSJ_Gaming but that ideology has been seeping into the western gaming industry & western entertainment media in general as of late with coporations & companies exploiting the LGBT movement & pushing agendas
@LSSJ_Gaming but that ideology has been seeping into the western gaming industry & western entertainment media in general as of late with coporations & companies exploiting the LGBT movement & pushing agendas
This is just paranoia. The Western gaming industry and Western entertainment media in general isn't being forced by law to do what they are doing and it's not like everything they are producing will always includes the "Woke-boogieman" some seem to be so concerned about. You are talking about pushing agendas where coming from a neutral perspective there is also an "Anti-woke" agenda that is sometimes even far more extreme in most aspects. Where people will be willing to defend wanting to reverse decades of social progress just for the sake of not wanting certain things to simply exist.
Where I currently live there is a local library that just closed down recently due to conservatives in my state ended up basically banning almost half the books they offered. Some literature that has been around since the end of the sexual revolution in the 1970s way before anyone was bitching about "woke" this and "woke" that. If people want things to be like the 50s again, go buy tube TV and only watch 1950s sitcoms, destroy your computer and cellphone and stop using the internet, and go buy a typewriter as a replacement. lol
@ColourWheel reality is there is no "culture war" dei advocates are just a very loud minority afraid to even leave their house or computer screens |
Jan 19, 6:42 PM
#24
LSSJ_Gaming said: we aren't an ideology. @LSSJ_Gaming There are some gay people against the LGBT movement, so technically you have a minor point? |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 6:44 PM
#25
Many Anime fans especially the ones from 2010s and 2020s were turned off by woke Western Animation. Why Western Animation start to decline since the 2010s in popularity? (same shit with comics dying) It's very obvious, wokeism -originally known as SJWs- started in the early 2010s where radical far-left people beginning to dominate western entertainment, first -being more obvious- with western games, then with Western Animation, it went out of control since then and it looks like MAYBE is going to die starting in the previous year. I don't know if wokeism is finally going to die or its going to transform into something new with a new name or worse came back stronger. In my case, I started to become interested in Anime in the 2000s so being anti-woke wasn't a big factor for me to be an Anime fan but its a big factor to protect the medium I love so much considering how wokeism destroyed comics and Western Animation. Gaming was half-destroyed, only Western Games were affected while Asian Games remained almost intact. |
ToumaTachibanaJan 19, 6:50 PM
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Jan 19, 6:47 PM
#26
Reply to ToumaTachibana
Many Anime fans especially the ones from 2010s and 2020s were turned off by woke Western Animation. Why Western Animation start to decline since the 2010s in popularity? (same shit with comics dying) It's very obvious, wokeism -originally known as SJWs- started in the early 2010s where radical far-left people beginning to dominate western entertainment, first -being more obvious- with western games, then with Western Animation, it went out of control since then and it looks like MAYBE is going to die starting in the previous year. I don't know if wokeism is finally going to die or its going to transform into something new with a new name or worse came back stronger.
In my case, I started to become interested in Anime in the 2000s so being anti-woke wasn't a big factor for me to be an Anime fan but its a big factor to protect the medium I love so much considering how wokeism destroyed comics and Western Animation. Gaming was half-destroyed, only Western Games were affected while Asian Games remained almost intact.
In my case, I started to become interested in Anime in the 2000s so being anti-woke wasn't a big factor for me to be an Anime fan but its a big factor to protect the medium I love so much considering how wokeism destroyed comics and Western Animation. Gaming was half-destroyed, only Western Games were affected while Asian Games remained almost intact.
@Nurguburu "wokeism" is just a repackaged talking point under a new coat of paint. It doesn't die you just change the wording to give yourself a new enemy. Before it was "SJW" and before that it was "PC Culture". Its all the same argument just obfuscated by different outer coatings. "Wokeism" will never die because people with progressive ideas always will exist, you people just find new insults and ways to make people with forward thinking ideas look bad |
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Jan 19, 7:00 PM
#27
Reply to LSSJ_Chloe
@Nurguburu
"wokeism" is just a repackaged talking point under a new coat of paint. It doesn't die you just change the wording to give yourself a new enemy. Before it was "SJW" and before that it was "PC Culture". Its all the same argument just obfuscated by different outer coatings. "Wokeism" will never die because people with progressive ideas always will exist, you people just find new insults and ways to make people with forward thinking ideas look bad
"wokeism" is just a repackaged talking point under a new coat of paint. It doesn't die you just change the wording to give yourself a new enemy. Before it was "SJW" and before that it was "PC Culture". Its all the same argument just obfuscated by different outer coatings. "Wokeism" will never die because people with progressive ideas always will exist, you people just find new insults and ways to make people with forward thinking ideas look bad
@LSSJ_Gaming So what you are saying is that because people swapped to shorter labels that disproves their points? |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 7:10 PM
#28
Reply to JaniSIr
@LSSJ_Gaming So what you are saying is that because people swapped to shorter labels that disproves their points?
@JaniSIr I told yall to stop pingng me while i play my game but I will respond this once Conservatives have been swapping out words every few years or so for decades now. How the fuck is "Woke" shorter than "SJW"? How is SJW shorter than PC? It isn't shorter in the slightest, the words are in fact getting longer. Its just reassigning new terms to the same things when the old one falls out of favor in the eyes of the public to keep an "Us vs them" culture war narrative going rather than addressing actual class issues |
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Jan 19, 7:16 PM
#29
Reply to LSSJ_Chloe
@JaniSIr
I told yall to stop pingng me while i play my game but I will respond this once
Conservatives have been swapping out words every few years or so for decades now. How the fuck is "Woke" shorter than "SJW"? How is SJW shorter than PC? It isn't shorter in the slightest, the words are in fact getting longer. Its just reassigning new terms to the same things when the old one falls out of favor in the eyes of the public to keep an "Us vs them" culture war narrative going rather than addressing actual class issues
I told yall to stop pingng me while i play my game but I will respond this once
Conservatives have been swapping out words every few years or so for decades now. How the fuck is "Woke" shorter than "SJW"? How is SJW shorter than PC? It isn't shorter in the slightest, the words are in fact getting longer. Its just reassigning new terms to the same things when the old one falls out of favor in the eyes of the public to keep an "Us vs them" culture war narrative going rather than addressing actual class issues
@LSSJ_Gaming How are you even getting notifications from MAL?? And why don't you just mute it. Woke is one syllable, Pee-cee is two, and it was already taken by personal computer, es-gee-double u is a lot. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 7:16 PM
#30
@LSSJ_Gaming im not homophobic or harassing you, stop labeling & slandering me plz & ty not my problem u come to a public forum then act like a snow-flake |
Jan 19, 7:19 PM
#31
Leftie tourists shouldn't try getting into anime anyway, anime belongs to straight cisgender alpha conservatives, those are the true fans and rightful inheritors of anime |
Jan 19, 7:27 PM
#32
@ItachiDeltaForce ItachiDeltaForce said: @ColourWheel just curious what do u think is so right with diversity, equity and inclusion in your opinion? Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony. More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives. Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities? Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core. |
ColourWheelJan 19, 11:49 PM
Jan 19, 7:31 PM
#33
Reply to ColourWheel
@ItachiDeltaForce
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
ItachiDeltaForce said:
@ColourWheel just curious what do u think is so right with diversity, equity and inclusion in your opinion?
@ColourWheel just curious what do u think is so right with diversity, equity and inclusion in your opinion?
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
@ColourWheel that is just pure modern day naive californian shit, activist communist bile u are spewing.. and in turn blind to the fact that this activist mind-set is the very thing that subverts entertainment media. when i play a video game or watch an anime i could'nt give a fuck about "social harmony" "productive" "contribute positively to communities" and all this other bs messaging, i dont want to be preached to in said media. sounds like what u are describing is a communist utopia..which to me is very disturbing i want to be engaged and entertained nothing more nothing less |
ItachiDeltaForceJan 19, 10:00 PM
Jan 19, 7:34 PM
#34
LSSJ_Gaming said: "wokeism" is just a repackaged talking point under a new coat of paint. It doesn't die you just change the wording to give yourself a new enemy. @LSSJ_Gaming You either have absolutely no clue what you're talking about or are just lying, look up "Environmental, Social, and Governance". LSSJ_Gaming said: "Wokeism" will never die because people with progressive ideas always will exist I know someone who disagrees... LSSJ_Gaming said: you people just find new insults and ways to make people with forward thinking ideas look bad This is the funniest thing you've posted in a while. LSSJ_Gaming said: i told you to stop messaging me Never mind, this is. I wouldn't even message you ~ Carl Benjamin, 2016 ColourWheel said: lol The irony all this coming from the "Big Believer in Father-Daughter Incest". lol @ColourWheel The relationship between me and my daughter is, on a basic level, beautiful and wholesome, it really can't be compared to a guy who just really wants to fuck another guy in the ass. Furthermore, I don't think you actually understood my point about "LGBT". ColourWheel said: Just curious what is so wrong about diversity, equity, and inclusion in your opinion? Diversity: This is sold as "diversity of thought and ideas", but actually it just means fewer Whites, men, and people who aren't total faggots (obviously the creatures pushing this shit do not believe in freedom of expression or the liberation of the mind whatsoever) Equity: By definition this is literally just Communism, which is already bad enough, but in practice it means the active subjugation of Whites, men, and people who aren't total faggots. Inclusion: This is just simple doublespeak that means exclusion of Whites, men, and people who aren't total faggots. How come the same people who call me a bad person for being a racist, a sexist, and disliking individuals with certain sexual proclivities also defend to death an ideology centered around those very things? It's because they're evil. |
Jan 19, 7:36 PM
#35
Reply to ItachiDeltaForce
@ColourWheel that is just pure modern day naive californian shit, activist communist bile u are spewing.. and in turn blind to the fact that this activist mind-set is the very thing that subverts entertainment media.
when i play a video game or watch an anime i could'nt give a fuck about "social harmony" "productive" "contribute positively to communities" and all this other bs messaging, i dont want to be preached to in said media.
sounds like what u are describing is a communist utopia..which to me is very disturbing
i want to be engaged and entertained nothing more nothing less
when i play a video game or watch an anime i could'nt give a fuck about "social harmony" "productive" "contribute positively to communities" and all this other bs messaging, i dont want to be preached to in said media.
sounds like what u are describing is a communist utopia..which to me is very disturbing
i want to be engaged and entertained nothing more nothing less
ItachiDeltaForce said: @ColourWheel that is just pure activist bile u are spewing.. and in turn blind to the fact that this activist mind-set is the very thing that subverts entertainment media. According by who? Anyone can look up what diversity, equity, and inclusion is and I am "spewing" what basically it is. Just because you don't like what it is doesn't make it some "activist bile". |
Jan 19, 7:39 PM
#36
Reply to ColourWheel
@ItachiDeltaForce
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
ItachiDeltaForce said:
@ColourWheel just curious what do u think is so right with diversity, equity and inclusion in your opinion?
@ColourWheel just curious what do u think is so right with diversity, equity and inclusion in your opinion?
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
@ColourWheel Meritocracy is the ideal to strive for. Diversity in this context is NOT diversity of thought. And equity is really just achieved by pulling down people who do better than the rest. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 19, 7:44 PM
#37
@ColourWheel That's correct. Both sides are against us and support censorship. Otaku have no political allies. |
Jan 19, 7:52 PM
#38
Reply to JaniSIr
@ColourWheel Meritocracy is the ideal to strive for.
Diversity in this context is NOT diversity of thought.
And equity is really just achieved by pulling down people who do better than the rest.
Diversity in this context is NOT diversity of thought.
And equity is really just achieved by pulling down people who do better than the rest.
JaniSIr said: @ColourWheel Meritocracy is the ideal to strive for. Diversity in this context is NOT diversity of thought. And equity is really just achieved by pulling down people who do better than the rest. If people wanted a true Meritocracy every University and college in America would be then be mostly filled with students that originate from North East Asia. Most cooperation's and employers would end up hiring far more foreigners than American citizens being far more qualified due to the lack of Americans actually getting a good enough education due to the limited amount that actually make it into colleges and universities. After I graduated from High school you want to know why I didn't make it into Brown University? Because over 300+ other students that were Asian that applied were far more qualified than I was even though my GPA was higher than 90% of all the white students that were accepted into that school that year. JaniSIr said: equity is really just achieved by pulling down people who do better than the rest. There is literally no proof of this. No definitive or academic study that claims or has come to a conclusion that equity is achieved by "pulling down people who do better than the rest". This is simply just non-sense you are spewing here and nothing else. |
ColourWheelJan 19, 9:31 PM
Jan 19, 7:53 PM
#39
Reply to ColourWheel
ItachiDeltaForce said:
@ColourWheel that is just pure activist bile u are spewing.. and in turn blind to the fact that this activist mind-set is the very thing that subverts entertainment media.
@ColourWheel that is just pure activist bile u are spewing.. and in turn blind to the fact that this activist mind-set is the very thing that subverts entertainment media.
According by who? Anyone can look up what diversity, equity, and inclusion is and I am "spewing" what basically it is. Just because you don't like what it is doesn't make it some "activist bile".
@ColourWheel same could be said to you....just bc u dont like my stance on these issues does not mean they are not righteous &/or popular or even superior.... |
Jan 19, 8:00 PM
#40
Reply to ItachiDeltaForce
@ColourWheel same could be said to you....just bc u dont like my stance on these issues does not mean they are not righteous &/or popular or even superior....
ItachiDeltaForce said: @ColourWheel same could be said to you....just bc u dont like my stance on these issues does not mean they are not righteous &/or popular or even superior.... I never claimed this. But you are simply just denying what diversity, equity, and inclusion actually is and just making up non-sense effectively defining it on the spot. Where if I would look up what you have said about it, it would be totally wrong and this would be based on numerous sources that anyone could find simply doing a simple google search and reading what diversity, equity, and inclusion is really about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion |
ColourWheelJan 19, 8:03 PM
Jan 19, 8:04 PM
#41
Reply to ColourWheel
ItachiDeltaForce said:
@ColourWheel same could be said to you....just bc u dont like my stance on these issues does not mean they are not righteous &/or popular or even superior....
@ColourWheel same could be said to you....just bc u dont like my stance on these issues does not mean they are not righteous &/or popular or even superior....
I never claimed this. But you are simply just denying what diversity, equity, and inclusion actually is and just making up non-sense effectively defining it on the spot. Where if I would look up what you have said about it, it would be totally wrong and this would be based on numerous sources that anyone could find simply doing a simple google search and reading what diversity, equity, and inclusion is really about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion
@ColourWheel bc i know how u people work ...give u an inch u take a mile u are entitled to your beliefs and world views... but so am i ..i just choose to show no mercy as i said earlier your ideology is dangerous, unsustainable and a little stupid i was alive and remember a world b4 google and facebook |
Jan 19, 8:08 PM
#42
ColourWheel said: There is literally no proof of this. No definitive or academic study that claims or has come to a conclusion that equity is achieved by "pulling down people who do better than the rest". This is simply just non-sense you are spewing here and nothing else. @ColourWheel That's just what the word means, when someone works hard to achieve a good result and someone else doesn't and consequently achieves a lesser result, that is an inequity that is most efficiently resolved by fucking over the guy who worked hard. |
Jan 19, 8:11 PM
#43
Reply to kutuya
ColourWheel said:
There is literally no proof of this. No definitive or academic study that claims or has come to a conclusion that equity is achieved by "pulling down people who do better than the rest". This is simply just non-sense you are spewing here and nothing else.
There is literally no proof of this. No definitive or academic study that claims or has come to a conclusion that equity is achieved by "pulling down people who do better than the rest". This is simply just non-sense you are spewing here and nothing else.
@ColourWheel That's just what the word means, when someone works hard to achieve a good result and someone else doesn't and consequently achieves a lesser result, that is an inequity that is most efficiently resolved by fucking over the guy who worked hard.
kutuya said: @ColourWheel That's just what the word means, when someone works hard to achieve a good result and someone else doesn't and consequently achieves a lesser result, that is an inequity that is most efficiently resolved by fucking over the guy who worked hard. That is only what you think it means but that's not the case. This is purely in your own mind where I doubt you could even show any actual proof of this happening. lol |
ColourWheelJan 19, 8:14 PM
Jan 19, 8:21 PM
#44
Oh yeah that's pretty obvious. You can spot them a mile away but some also were into it before but they decided to try to be disingenuous and present things differently to push their agenda. ForgotEyeWasHere said: Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies. Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. They also have some otaku in other branches of the government power. ColourWheel said: If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes. Technically those aren't conservatives but Reactionaries. Conservatives conserve, Reactionaries do the same thing Fascists do which is try to return ti a fantasy version of the past. Also the NCOSE which is literally just Morality in Media that renamed itself trying to mascaraed as a non partisan child protection group but is really a far right Christian Reactionary group trying to outlaw porn and nudity and uses the "must protect the children" bit to manipulate people with half truths and outright lies. These were the people who threatened the credit card companies leading them to attack Japanese businesses to point you could argue they are doing something illegal by discriminating against these businesses for example this could be argued as being ethnonational discrimination https://www.techopse.com/visa-escalates-anti-japanese-bias-by-targeting-otaku-dating-platform-aellune-without-explanation/ And this could be argued as akin to destroying cultural heritage which many would argue is a war crime. Though not literally since it's just not doing business. https://www.techopse.com/ken-akamatsus-manga-library-z-shuts-down-thanks-to-visa-and-mastercards-censorship-demands/ ColourWheel said: Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony. More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives. Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities? Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core. DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy. |
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Jan 19, 8:22 PM
#45
Reply to ColourWheel
kutuya said:
@ColourWheel That's just what the word means, when someone works hard to achieve a good result and someone else doesn't and consequently achieves a lesser result, that is an inequity that is most efficiently resolved by fucking over the guy who worked hard.
@ColourWheel That's just what the word means, when someone works hard to achieve a good result and someone else doesn't and consequently achieves a lesser result, that is an inequity that is most efficiently resolved by fucking over the guy who worked hard.
That is only what you think it means but that's not the case. This is purely in your own mind where I doubt you could even show any actual proof of this happening. lol
@ColourWheel I don't need to prove common knowledge, especially not to someone who was defending codified ethnic discrimination that seeks to pull down the ones who typically achieve the most, in the pursuit of equity in the very post I was replying to. Not to mention diversity hires lmao |
Jan 19, 8:23 PM
#46
thewiru said: "the people who got into anime 3 years ago for culture war reasons" I'm probably one of those guys but really I feel I got attracted to anime more organically than that. |
Jan 19, 8:33 PM
#47
Reply to traed
Oh yeah that's pretty obvious. You can spot them a mile away but some also were into it before but they decided to try to be disingenuous and present things differently to push their agenda.
Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. They also have some otaku in other branches of the government power.
Technically those aren't conservatives but Reactionaries. Conservatives conserve, Reactionaries do the same thing Fascists do which is try to return ti a fantasy version of the past. Also the NCOSE which is literally just Morality in Media that renamed itself trying to mascaraed as a non partisan child protection group but is really a far right Christian Reactionary group trying to outlaw porn and nudity and uses the "must protect the children" bit to manipulate people with half truths and outright lies. These were the people who threatened the credit card companies leading them to attack Japanese businesses to point you could argue they are doing something illegal by discriminating against these businesses for example this could be argued as being ethnonational discrimination
https://www.techopse.com/visa-escalates-anti-japanese-bias-by-targeting-otaku-dating-platform-aellune-without-explanation/
And this could be argued as akin to destroying cultural heritage which many would argue is a war crime. Though not literally since it's just not doing business.
https://www.techopse.com/ken-akamatsus-manga-library-z-shuts-down-thanks-to-visa-and-mastercards-censorship-demands/
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies.
Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies.
Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. They also have some otaku in other branches of the government power.
ColourWheel said:
If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes.
If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes.
Technically those aren't conservatives but Reactionaries. Conservatives conserve, Reactionaries do the same thing Fascists do which is try to return ti a fantasy version of the past. Also the NCOSE which is literally just Morality in Media that renamed itself trying to mascaraed as a non partisan child protection group but is really a far right Christian Reactionary group trying to outlaw porn and nudity and uses the "must protect the children" bit to manipulate people with half truths and outright lies. These were the people who threatened the credit card companies leading them to attack Japanese businesses to point you could argue they are doing something illegal by discriminating against these businesses for example this could be argued as being ethnonational discrimination
https://www.techopse.com/visa-escalates-anti-japanese-bias-by-targeting-otaku-dating-platform-aellune-without-explanation/
And this could be argued as akin to destroying cultural heritage which many would argue is a war crime. Though not literally since it's just not doing business.
https://www.techopse.com/ken-akamatsus-manga-library-z-shuts-down-thanks-to-visa-and-mastercards-censorship-demands/
ColourWheel said:
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
traed said: DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy. The thing is it hasn't been proven to have the opposite effect, not to the point that it would be something that can't be adjusted or even reformed. It's just people have unfounded worries about it being implemented poorly. Where they will only see the potential for unintended negative effects and completely ignoring the positive things that it suppose to promote. That would be like saying the fire department doesn't work because sometimes houses will still burn down. So lets just get rid of the fire department now. |
ColourWheelJan 19, 8:38 PM
Jan 19, 8:44 PM
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Reply to ColourWheel
traed said:
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
The thing is it hasn't been proven to have the opposite effect, not to the point that it would be something that can't be adjusted or even reformed. It's just people have unfounded worries about it being implemented poorly. Where they will only see the potential for unintended negative effects and completely ignoring the positive things that it suppose to promote.
That would be like saying the fire department doesn't work because sometimes houses will still burn down. So lets just get rid of the fire department now.
@ColourWheel Lecturing White people on how their skin color makes them evil sure doesn't seem to be protecting the houses in LA from burning down... |
Jan 19, 8:46 PM
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Oh yeah that's pretty obvious. You can spot them a mile away but some also were into it before but they decided to try to be disingenuous and present things differently to push their agenda.
Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. They also have some otaku in other branches of the government power.
Technically those aren't conservatives but Reactionaries. Conservatives conserve, Reactionaries do the same thing Fascists do which is try to return ti a fantasy version of the past. Also the NCOSE which is literally just Morality in Media that renamed itself trying to mascaraed as a non partisan child protection group but is really a far right Christian Reactionary group trying to outlaw porn and nudity and uses the "must protect the children" bit to manipulate people with half truths and outright lies. These were the people who threatened the credit card companies leading them to attack Japanese businesses to point you could argue they are doing something illegal by discriminating against these businesses for example this could be argued as being ethnonational discrimination
https://www.techopse.com/visa-escalates-anti-japanese-bias-by-targeting-otaku-dating-platform-aellune-without-explanation/
And this could be argued as akin to destroying cultural heritage which many would argue is a war crime. Though not literally since it's just not doing business.
https://www.techopse.com/ken-akamatsus-manga-library-z-shuts-down-thanks-to-visa-and-mastercards-censorship-demands/
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies.
Yes. It's important to remember that culture warriors on both sides are tourists. One side will pretend to be against censorship at any point, but they'll stab us in the back as soon as we're not useful to them anymore. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers are on our side. Otaku have no political allies.
Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. They also have some otaku in other branches of the government power.
ColourWheel said:
If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes.
If people are really worried about not getting to see tits and ass in videogames one should really be worried about conservative law makers who actually shove through unpopular legislation to get rid of such things. One of the goals of the Heritage Foundation is to get total political control of the country and do things like completely outlaw porn in the USA. Where they are already on a path to complete this getting conservative law makers to pass legislation for ID laws simply for adults to access online porn sites. A completely back door way of getting rid of porn in America where a company will simply cease to operate where such laws are enforced if they refuse to implement such a system. Once they actually realize this is not very effect way eliminate online porn, they will likely try to get conservative law makers go to even more extreme measures and have American based Servers completely blocking website access for sites that operate outside of the country. If 100% successful in their goal to get rid of online porn in the country, I could see them going after sexualization in gaming and general media entertainment next. Making such things federal crimes.
Technically those aren't conservatives but Reactionaries. Conservatives conserve, Reactionaries do the same thing Fascists do which is try to return ti a fantasy version of the past. Also the NCOSE which is literally just Morality in Media that renamed itself trying to mascaraed as a non partisan child protection group but is really a far right Christian Reactionary group trying to outlaw porn and nudity and uses the "must protect the children" bit to manipulate people with half truths and outright lies. These were the people who threatened the credit card companies leading them to attack Japanese businesses to point you could argue they are doing something illegal by discriminating against these businesses for example this could be argued as being ethnonational discrimination
https://www.techopse.com/visa-escalates-anti-japanese-bias-by-targeting-otaku-dating-platform-aellune-without-explanation/
And this could be argued as akin to destroying cultural heritage which many would argue is a war crime. Though not literally since it's just not doing business.
https://www.techopse.com/ken-akamatsus-manga-library-z-shuts-down-thanks-to-visa-and-mastercards-censorship-demands/
ColourWheel said:
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion literally fosters a sense of belonging. When people feel that they belong, they are more likely to be engaged, be productive productive, and contribute positively in communities. It generally promotes mental well-being and social harmony.
More in-depth, diversity brings a range of experiences, ideas, and viewpoints. Not like one would want to eat the same cup of noodles every day of their life. Historically, diversity has always lead to creative problem-solving, innovation, as well as creative decision-making. When people from different backgrounds work together it usually leads to better ideas because there will be diverse approaches to challenges from different angles and perspectives.
Equity generally promotes fairness. The goal is to ensures that everyone has access to the same opportunities despite background. Which address disparities that usually arise from biases and inequalities. Just because you are poor, wouldn't you like the opportunity to get a chance to be accepted into a good school or would you just rather only rich people to be able to have those types of opportunities?
Specifically Diversity, equity, and inclusion is all about positive moral and ethical principles at it's core.
DEI just implies required diversity sensitivity training for all employees which has been proven to have the opposite of intended effect so it needs to be abolished as a policy.
traed said: Sadly, he has spent far more of his time fighting against overseas piracy of anime and manga, rather than fighting against censorship.Japan has Akamatsu Ken in their House of Councilors and part of his platform is defend anime, manga and games from further censorship. |
Jan 19, 8:47 PM
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ColourWheel said: The thing is it hasn't been proven to have the opposite effect, not to the point that it would be something that can't be adjusted or even reformed. It's just people have unfounded worries about it being implemented poorly. Where they will only see the potential for unintended negative effects and completely ignoring the positive things that it suppose to promote. It's been studied for effectiveness before, it either does no good or does harm is what the studies tend to show. Basically it breeds hostility among all groups sometimes even. https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/12/05/research_shows_diversity_training_is_typically_ineffective_652014.html https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-science/ |
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