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Nov 14, 2023 6:18 AM
#1
As the title sounds what are the issues that anime industry can face in Future. I have multiple things to say- 1- Terrible working conditions, low pay and lack of new talent in anime industry because of it's abusive nature. Animators are so badly treated if things didn't change than anime industry could collapse. 2- AI and cgi will be more used to cut cost or even cut animators to make production cheaper this is one of the biggest issue because Animators are already living in so poor conditions. I don't want this at all. 3-Rise of censorship due to the mainstream popularity of anime worldwide. In Todays day and age people are censorship happy idk why and many new people in any new medium weather it's game, comic or other things. They demand censorship because those things are not catered to them and we could that see this happening with anime. 4-Competition from another countries i know it's kinda silly but due to the rising popularity of anime countries like China, South Korea also adapted anime art style in their comics, animation and games. Even many gacha games which are way popular are from either China and South Korea. Example - Genshin impact, Nikke, Azur lane etc and they are also working towards animation. These are my thesis. I would love to hear opinions from you guys. |
Nov 14, 2023 6:27 AM
#2
Lack of young people willing to work as animators for such a low salary. |
Nov 14, 2023 6:36 AM
#3
tchitchouan said: Lack of young people willing to work as animators for such a low salary. 100% agree that's why it's in my top. |
Nov 14, 2023 6:48 AM
#4
Recently, HIDIVE left latinoamérica, since demand wasnt good enough and apparently they didnt put effort on dubs. Salary is the greatest issue for me, I feel kinda sad for jpn animators. Probably a lot of work will be done in China and that could turn into a crazy fight or changes. |
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Nov 14, 2023 6:52 AM
#5
as you say, probably lack of salary will harm them in the long run. I think AI and CGI will help animation industry in general, possibly keep some animators in a job at this time. It will help cut costs and save time. I think they already use it in some cases for in-between frames. Though for now animators are still needed to clean it up and make it look not shit-- I just see it as a tool that can help make things a little more efficient. I don't know if censorship would end up being an issue. Depends how Japanese political climate goes, I guess. However, I don't think chinese and korean animations are really a competition with Japanese animation-- the three things do look similar in style but in essence and tone are quite different (at least between Chinese and Japanese media, it's very different, I would even go so far as to say it's a totally different thing in many ways) |
Nov 14, 2023 7:07 AM
#6
I don't know how bad the working conditions and salaries are compared to other jobs in Japan but if they're as bad as people make them out to be then I don't see how anyone can be motivated to work in that industry. I don't think anime will die from that but production will rely more than ever on outsourcing from foreign countries. I don't see AI as a threat. Musicians didn't go extinct after DAWs were invented and I see AI generated images as the same but for visual media. |
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Nov 14, 2023 7:07 AM
#7
I can't really speak to specifics but yes, something becoming mainstream is usually not a good thing even if many fans of that 'something' imagine how great it'd be if only it were more universally accepted ('be careful of what you wish for' comes to mind). It's like with bands that start off with music and lyrics seemingly tailored to a small but passionate fan base, but then they go for the gold and after that new albums usually become watered down in an effort to appeal to the many rather than resonate with a few in a deep way. Especially though i worry about the increasing influence of the West (Netflix or whatever) since i think the West is in a deep state of decay/decadence and degrades whatever it comes into contact with. |
Nov 14, 2023 7:12 AM
#8
The first point from what I've heard is the actual nowadays problem, hard to say about the past. I guess the biggest issues/if they can be called "issues" [will explain]: Lack of people working + freelancers might just refuse to work [I am not that informed on that, but I've heard that actually Black Clover had a similar problem, because Pierrot has focused on I think Boruto and there was not enough staff to work at BC which made visible impact on quality] AI - here I'll say it might be 50/50, as long as it is done correctly, if you do it just to make coloring process [the basic/common coloring process, which is literally people putting colors like in a coloring book, based on collor palette from character design/palette prepared from character designer] so as long as that's for the basics I guess it is fine [I ain't knowing how much people doing it are paid and who is responsible for it which is why I also give it into 50/50] I think anime community itself might be a problem - If someone/ studio would like to continue a popular/renowned title and they will fail the fanbase it might back fire them such as Disney with Star Wars movies. [Idk if Mappa's situation with AoT wouldn't be even a prime example of such thing] I guess something which might be happening now is not enough place for new studios to make some proper debut, some people in community when they won't spot a popular studio working on a seasonal they might not even consider checking it out, even if the product might be of high quality, just because a new small studio was put into animating responsibility. Competition - I wouldn't put it into negatives tbh, if such "war" would begin, I would see it more like a Cold War, both sides trying their best to improve their animating process/style/industry as much as they can to show the opponent that they can make it better. |
Nov 14, 2023 7:21 AM
#9
quercifolia said: as you say, probably lack of salary will harm them in the long run. I think AI and CGI will help animation industry in general, possibly keep some animators in a job at this time. It will help cut costs and save time. I think they already use it in some cases for in-between frames. Though for now animators are still needed to clean it up and make it look not shit-- I just see it as a tool that can help make things a little more efficient. I don't know if censorship would end up being an issue. Depends how Japanese political climate goes, I guess. However, I don't think chinese and korean animations are really a competition with Japanese animation-- the three things do look similar in style but in essence and tone are quite different (at least between Chinese and Japanese media, it's very different, I would even go so far as to say it's a totally different thing in many ways) yeah conditions for inbetweeners are way worse. why censorship would not be a issue? If genshin impact can get this popular than i think China holds some worth of competition |
Nov 14, 2023 7:27 AM
#10
Reply to kratos960203
quercifolia said:
as you say, probably lack of salary will harm them in the long run. I think AI and CGI will help animation industry in general, possibly keep some animators in a job at this time. It will help cut costs and save time. I think they already use it in some cases for in-between frames. Though for now animators are still needed to clean it up and make it look not shit-- I just see it as a tool that can help make things a little more efficient.
I don't know if censorship would end up being an issue. Depends how Japanese political climate goes, I guess.
However, I don't think chinese and korean animations are really a competition with Japanese animation-- the three things do look similar in style but in essence and tone are quite different (at least between Chinese and Japanese media, it's very different, I would even go so far as to say it's a totally different thing in many ways)
as you say, probably lack of salary will harm them in the long run. I think AI and CGI will help animation industry in general, possibly keep some animators in a job at this time. It will help cut costs and save time. I think they already use it in some cases for in-between frames. Though for now animators are still needed to clean it up and make it look not shit-- I just see it as a tool that can help make things a little more efficient.
I don't know if censorship would end up being an issue. Depends how Japanese political climate goes, I guess.
However, I don't think chinese and korean animations are really a competition with Japanese animation-- the three things do look similar in style but in essence and tone are quite different (at least between Chinese and Japanese media, it's very different, I would even go so far as to say it's a totally different thing in many ways)
yeah conditions for inbetweeners are way worse. why censorship would not be a issue? If genshin impact can get this popular than i think China holds some worth of competition
@kratos960203 Genshin is a game though, not an animated series, so I don't really see how it could be compared. And it's not the best of examples given that it's not exactly a stereotypical Chinese game either, but instead more like a western or Japanese game. I think mihoyo is more of an exception tbh Besides that, why would censorship be an issue due to China? they can't force other countries to censor the content, China can only censor the release within mainland China. If Japan wants to make many large titty anime, China can only chug a litre of vinegar and silently endure. lol |
Nov 14, 2023 7:30 AM
#11
NDskies said: I can't really speak to specifics but yes, something becoming mainstream is usually not a good thing even if many fans of that 'something' imagine how great it'd be if only it were more universally accepted ('be careful of what you wish for' comes to mind). It's like with bands that start off with music and lyrics seemingly tailored to a small but passionate fan base, but then they go for the gold and after that new albums usually become watered down in an effort to appeal to the many rather than resonate with a few in a deep way. Especially though i worry about the increasing influence of the West (Netflix or whatever) since i think the West is in a deep state of decay/decadence and degrades whatever it comes into contact with. I kinda agree even genshin impact got subjected to censorship even that game doesn't have any questionable things begin with. With mainstream popularity comes other things too and censorship is one of those |
Nov 14, 2023 7:32 AM
#12
quercifolia said: @kratos960203 Genshin is a game though, not an animated series, so I don't really see how it could be compared. And it's not the best of examples given that it's not exactly a stereotypical Chinese game either, but instead more like a western or Japanese game. I think mihoyo is more of an exception tbh Besides that, why would censorship be an issue due to China? they can't force other countries to censor the content, China can only censor the release within mainland China. If Japan wants to make many large titty anime, China can only chug a litre of vinegar and silently endure. lol I mean western and Chinese companies both can force Japanese company to censor things and it will increase cost and time so Japan will start in house censoring so they won't have to give extra time and don't have to worry about work getting banned |
Nov 14, 2023 7:47 AM
#13
I think kyoto Animation has always finds a way to solve anime studio industry problems. They make a perfect work life balance for their employees. And they most teach young people about animation (I mean Courses). By that they find a new talent. It's a both win-win situation. And they also make light novels in the name of KA BUSKO. which will also raise their economical stats and it also prevent them form loss. KyoAni before 2019 had a perfect plan to counter all these problems. But unfortunately they had undergone an arson attack back in 2019 in which most of their staff died. It pushed them back. And now I don't know how they are doing with this problems. But in the new releases of them like dragon maid 2 and tsurune 2 they both were made by young talent and some remaining stuffs. They both came out brilliantly. So I can confirm that for kyoani's approach to this things may not be a problem.And instead it will solve them step by step. And I hope many other studio will also do the same to avoid the consequences. That's all for now... Have a nice day!!! |
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Nov 14, 2023 8:06 AM
#14
People getting bored of isekai, that'd mean that most of their shows are now worthless. |
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Nov 14, 2023 8:08 AM
#15
@animegamer245 you acknowledge sony censors anime games than why are you so confident that they won't censor anime as censor games i know PlayStation and Japan left each other in 2018 |
kratos960203Nov 14, 2023 8:30 AM
Nov 14, 2023 8:10 AM
#16
Reply to Pinoffin
I think kyoto Animation has always finds a way to solve anime studio industry problems.
They make a perfect work life balance for their employees.
And they most teach young people about animation (I mean Courses).
By that they find a new talent. It's a both win-win situation.
And they also make light novels in the name of KA BUSKO. which will also raise their economical stats and it also prevent them form loss.
KyoAni before 2019 had a perfect plan to counter all these problems.
But unfortunately they had undergone an arson attack back in 2019 in which most of their staff died.
It pushed them back. And now I don't know how they are doing with this problems.
But in the new releases of them like dragon maid 2 and tsurune 2 they both were made by young talent and some remaining stuffs.
They both came out brilliantly. So I can confirm that for kyoani's approach to this things may not be a problem.And instead it will solve them step by step.
And I hope many other studio will also do the same to avoid the consequences.
That's all for now...
Have a nice day!!!
They make a perfect work life balance for their employees.
And they most teach young people about animation (I mean Courses).
By that they find a new talent. It's a both win-win situation.
And they also make light novels in the name of KA BUSKO. which will also raise their economical stats and it also prevent them form loss.
KyoAni before 2019 had a perfect plan to counter all these problems.
But unfortunately they had undergone an arson attack back in 2019 in which most of their staff died.
It pushed them back. And now I don't know how they are doing with this problems.
But in the new releases of them like dragon maid 2 and tsurune 2 they both were made by young talent and some remaining stuffs.
They both came out brilliantly. So I can confirm that for kyoani's approach to this things may not be a problem.And instead it will solve them step by step.
And I hope many other studio will also do the same to avoid the consequences.
That's all for now...
Have a nice day!!!
@MonsterOfDreams You are right fortunately Kyoto animation is doing great right now and they are key to solve anime industry problems |
Nov 14, 2023 8:11 AM
#17
talented animators scarcity especially after 10-15 years from now when the old talented animators retire so expect more 3DCG anime after that |
Nov 14, 2023 6:55 PM
#18
Reply to kratos960203
quercifolia said:
@kratos960203 Genshin is a game though, not an animated series, so I don't really see how it could be compared.
And it's not the best of examples given that it's not exactly a stereotypical Chinese game either, but instead more like a western or Japanese game. I think mihoyo is more of an exception tbh
Besides that, why would censorship be an issue due to China? they can't force other countries to censor the content, China can only censor the release within mainland China. If Japan wants to make many large titty anime, China can only chug a litre of vinegar and silently endure. lol
@kratos960203 Genshin is a game though, not an animated series, so I don't really see how it could be compared.
And it's not the best of examples given that it's not exactly a stereotypical Chinese game either, but instead more like a western or Japanese game. I think mihoyo is more of an exception tbh
Besides that, why would censorship be an issue due to China? they can't force other countries to censor the content, China can only censor the release within mainland China. If Japan wants to make many large titty anime, China can only chug a litre of vinegar and silently endure. lol
I mean western and Chinese companies both can force Japanese company to censor things and it will increase cost and time so Japan will start in house censoring so they won't have to give extra time and don't have to worry about work getting banned
@kratos960203 In the west at least, freedom is a highly gripped virtue, including freedom of expression. Maybe some companies will try and censor, but others will harshly fight against it forever. (Or for as long as the USA has it's first amendment, anyway) As for China, one country doesn't mean shit to Japan. They already do censor stuff. Usually it's just in the form of closing a characters blouse to hide cleavage or something like that. But, I suspect that kind of expense is probably borne by the licensor, not the studio. Because it is the licensor/distributor who wants to have it in China, so they must make it abide by Chinese censorship laws, or at least that is my understanding. If they want to be hamfisted or cheap about it, they can always just delete offending scenes which would be zero effort. (this has been done...) |
Nov 14, 2023 7:33 PM
#19
Reply to quercifolia
@kratos960203 In the west at least, freedom is a highly gripped virtue, including freedom of expression. Maybe some companies will try and censor, but others will harshly fight against it forever. (Or for as long as the USA has it's first amendment, anyway)
As for China, one country doesn't mean shit to Japan. They already do censor stuff. Usually it's just in the form of closing a characters blouse to hide cleavage or something like that.
But, I suspect that kind of expense is probably borne by the licensor, not the studio. Because it is the licensor/distributor who wants to have it in China, so they must make it abide by Chinese censorship laws, or at least that is my understanding. If they want to be hamfisted or cheap about it, they can always just delete offending scenes which would be zero effort. (this has been done...)
As for China, one country doesn't mean shit to Japan. They already do censor stuff. Usually it's just in the form of closing a characters blouse to hide cleavage or something like that.
But, I suspect that kind of expense is probably borne by the licensor, not the studio. Because it is the licensor/distributor who wants to have it in China, so they must make it abide by Chinese censorship laws, or at least that is my understanding. If they want to be hamfisted or cheap about it, they can always just delete offending scenes which would be zero effort. (this has been done...)
@quercifolia First amendment gives protection against banning not censoring if it gives protection against censorship than PlayStation wouldn't have censored and banned Japanese games. I would argue western censorship is worse right now than Chinese censorship. All western corporations being run by activists who hate fans continuously and ruining hobbies one by one. Comics industry died , gaming industry become shit. Marvel is on the way to become shit. You can't have even a single beautiful character in a morden western game. |
Nov 14, 2023 7:38 PM
#20
I am very worried for how 3D animation is going to fare into anime's future. It could very easily become as bad as AI taking jobs from the real artists. There were some successes... like Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, but there are other instances of 3D animated series performing terribly in sales like the Chainsaw Man anime. |
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Nov 14, 2023 7:42 PM
#21
ghostsamurai said: I am very worried for how 3D animation is going to fare into anime's future. It could very easily become as bad as AI taking jobs from the real artists. There were some successes... like Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, but there are other instances of 3D animated series performing terribly in sales like the Chainsaw Man anime. aside from some parts how chainsaw man was a 3d anime? |
Nov 14, 2023 8:29 PM
#23
kratos960203 said: Idk bruh, Sony continues to make ecchi like they just did recently with Ayakashi Triangle and My Dress-Up Darling, I doubt they will start censoring anime when they themselves make those shows. you acknowledge sony censors anime games than why are you so confident that they won't censor anime as censor games i know PlayStation and Japan left each other in 2018 |
Nov 14, 2023 9:06 PM
#24
Reply to kratos960203
@quercifolia First amendment gives protection against banning not censoring if it gives protection against censorship than PlayStation wouldn't have censored and banned Japanese games. I would argue western censorship is worse right now than Chinese censorship. All western corporations being run by activists who hate fans continuously and ruining hobbies one by one. Comics industry died , gaming industry become shit. Marvel is on the way to become shit. You can't have even a single beautiful character in a morden western game.
@kratos960203 I thought it was freedom of expression which would cover goverment imposed censorship? Admittedly, I'm not American, so maybe I misunderstood it. In any case, that's what I mean by different companies having different choices. Playstation aims for a broad audience, which is anywhere from young teens to adults. So, they have particular rules on their own platform (mostly regarding sex scenes I think) to keep that broad appeal. However, legally, there is not really anything stopping someone from self-publishing their racy sex game game on PC. In fact, a lot of publishers are doing this now with Steam. Release the game without 18+ content (for steam version) and then offer a download patch on their website that adds in the NSFW content (if desired). Pretty common with visual novels. Otherwise, they just offer direct download on their own website. There are also platforms that offer NSFW content without any issues (such as DLsite in japan...) In any case, this is just an example of how companies still will release regardless of any censoring. Having a separate patch on the website is surely annoying maintain and keep available, but they still do it anyway. I have to disagree with this, though: All western corporations being run by activists who hate fans continuously and ruining hobbies one by one. The ones who want to censor those things are not really the kind of activists you're thinking of (I assume you're meaning liberals / politics when you say that...) Those who censor nudity and so forth are the conservative types, often related to religion but not always. Coincidentally, they're also the same people who want to enforce the obnoxious hyper masculinity in western games. Why? Because if it's too beautiful, someone might 'call it gay' or say that it's 'corrupting the kids'. Nonsense, but that's what it is. Pandering to the whining masses. Also, it's not all corporations either. Maybe the big ones, sure. But a lot of niche publishers don't give a shit about politics or broad appeal-- they know their audience (weebs) and will provide all the anime T&A needed to keep those people happy. |
Nov 14, 2023 10:07 PM
#25
Reply to quercifolia
@kratos960203 I thought it was freedom of expression which would cover goverment imposed censorship? Admittedly, I'm not American, so maybe I misunderstood it.
In any case, that's what I mean by different companies having different choices.
Playstation aims for a broad audience, which is anywhere from young teens to adults. So, they have particular rules on their own platform (mostly regarding sex scenes I think) to keep that broad appeal. However, legally, there is not really anything stopping someone from self-publishing their racy sex game game on PC.
In fact, a lot of publishers are doing this now with Steam. Release the game without 18+ content (for steam version) and then offer a download patch on their website that adds in the NSFW content (if desired). Pretty common with visual novels.
Otherwise, they just offer direct download on their own website. There are also platforms that offer NSFW content without any issues (such as DLsite in japan...)
In any case, this is just an example of how companies still will release regardless of any censoring. Having a separate patch on the website is surely annoying maintain and keep available, but they still do it anyway.
I have to disagree with this, though:
The ones who want to censor those things are not really the kind of activists you're thinking of (I assume you're meaning liberals / politics when you say that...)
Those who censor nudity and so forth are the conservative types, often related to religion but not always. Coincidentally, they're also the same people who want to enforce the obnoxious hyper masculinity in western games. Why? Because if it's too beautiful, someone might 'call it gay' or say that it's 'corrupting the kids'. Nonsense, but that's what it is. Pandering to the whining masses.
Also, it's not all corporations either. Maybe the big ones, sure. But a lot of niche publishers don't give a shit about politics or broad appeal-- they know their audience (weebs) and will provide all the anime T&A needed to keep those people happy.
In any case, that's what I mean by different companies having different choices.
Playstation aims for a broad audience, which is anywhere from young teens to adults. So, they have particular rules on their own platform (mostly regarding sex scenes I think) to keep that broad appeal. However, legally, there is not really anything stopping someone from self-publishing their racy sex game game on PC.
In fact, a lot of publishers are doing this now with Steam. Release the game without 18+ content (for steam version) and then offer a download patch on their website that adds in the NSFW content (if desired). Pretty common with visual novels.
Otherwise, they just offer direct download on their own website. There are also platforms that offer NSFW content without any issues (such as DLsite in japan...)
In any case, this is just an example of how companies still will release regardless of any censoring. Having a separate patch on the website is surely annoying maintain and keep available, but they still do it anyway.
I have to disagree with this, though:
All western corporations being run by activists who hate fans continuously and ruining hobbies one by one.
The ones who want to censor those things are not really the kind of activists you're thinking of (I assume you're meaning liberals / politics when you say that...)
Those who censor nudity and so forth are the conservative types, often related to religion but not always. Coincidentally, they're also the same people who want to enforce the obnoxious hyper masculinity in western games. Why? Because if it's too beautiful, someone might 'call it gay' or say that it's 'corrupting the kids'. Nonsense, but that's what it is. Pandering to the whining masses.
Also, it's not all corporations either. Maybe the big ones, sure. But a lot of niche publishers don't give a shit about politics or broad appeal-- they know their audience (weebs) and will provide all the anime T&A needed to keep those people happy.
@quercifolia i agree with things you say but how law will stop ideology indoctrination that ruined things and i was talking about female characters males one are majority decent looking but female character getting uglier and uglier with each passing year |
Nov 14, 2023 10:12 PM
#26
Reply to MadanielFL
kratos960203 said:
you acknowledge sony censors anime games than why are you so confident that they won't censor anime as censor games i know PlayStation and Japan left each other in 2018
Idk bruh, Sony continues to make ecchi like they just did recently with Ayakashi Triangle and My Dress-Up Darling, I doubt they will start censoring anime when they themselves make those shows. you acknowledge sony censors anime games than why are you so confident that they won't censor anime as censor games i know PlayStation and Japan left each other in 2018
@MadanielFL the only explanation i think of is that when playstation headquarters moved to America got infested by activists and started to censor things which they don't like specially Japanese games which does not align with their agenda but Main branch of Sony Entertainment is still in Japan and still Caters to Japanese audience. |
Nov 14, 2023 10:13 PM
#27
kratos960203 said: @MadanielFL the only explanation i think of is that when playstation headquarters moved to America got infested by activists and started to censor things which they don't like specially Japanese games which does not align with their agenda but Main branch of Sony Entertainment is still in Japan and still Caters to Japanese audience. Aniplex is and will always be headquartered in Japan, they literally own two massive anime studios in A-1 Pictures and CloverWorks, there is no reason for them to move out of Japan. |
Nov 14, 2023 10:34 PM
#28
Reply to MadanielFL
kratos960203 said:
@MadanielFL the only explanation i think of is that when playstation headquarters moved to America got infested by activists and started to censor things which they don't like specially Japanese games which does not align with their agenda but Main branch of Sony Entertainment is still in Japan and still Caters to Japanese audience.
@MadanielFL the only explanation i think of is that when playstation headquarters moved to America got infested by activists and started to censor things which they don't like specially Japanese games which does not align with their agenda but Main branch of Sony Entertainment is still in Japan and still Caters to Japanese audience.
Aniplex is and will always be headquartered in Japan, they literally own two massive anime studios in A-1 Pictures and CloverWorks, there is no reason for them to move out of Japan.
@MadanielFL yeah but western influence is not good for anime and manga |
Nov 14, 2023 10:45 PM
#29
Reply to quercifolia
@kratos960203 I thought it was freedom of expression which would cover goverment imposed censorship? Admittedly, I'm not American, so maybe I misunderstood it.
In any case, that's what I mean by different companies having different choices.
Playstation aims for a broad audience, which is anywhere from young teens to adults. So, they have particular rules on their own platform (mostly regarding sex scenes I think) to keep that broad appeal. However, legally, there is not really anything stopping someone from self-publishing their racy sex game game on PC.
In fact, a lot of publishers are doing this now with Steam. Release the game without 18+ content (for steam version) and then offer a download patch on their website that adds in the NSFW content (if desired). Pretty common with visual novels.
Otherwise, they just offer direct download on their own website. There are also platforms that offer NSFW content without any issues (such as DLsite in japan...)
In any case, this is just an example of how companies still will release regardless of any censoring. Having a separate patch on the website is surely annoying maintain and keep available, but they still do it anyway.
I have to disagree with this, though:
The ones who want to censor those things are not really the kind of activists you're thinking of (I assume you're meaning liberals / politics when you say that...)
Those who censor nudity and so forth are the conservative types, often related to religion but not always. Coincidentally, they're also the same people who want to enforce the obnoxious hyper masculinity in western games. Why? Because if it's too beautiful, someone might 'call it gay' or say that it's 'corrupting the kids'. Nonsense, but that's what it is. Pandering to the whining masses.
Also, it's not all corporations either. Maybe the big ones, sure. But a lot of niche publishers don't give a shit about politics or broad appeal-- they know their audience (weebs) and will provide all the anime T&A needed to keep those people happy.
In any case, that's what I mean by different companies having different choices.
Playstation aims for a broad audience, which is anywhere from young teens to adults. So, they have particular rules on their own platform (mostly regarding sex scenes I think) to keep that broad appeal. However, legally, there is not really anything stopping someone from self-publishing their racy sex game game on PC.
In fact, a lot of publishers are doing this now with Steam. Release the game without 18+ content (for steam version) and then offer a download patch on their website that adds in the NSFW content (if desired). Pretty common with visual novels.
Otherwise, they just offer direct download on their own website. There are also platforms that offer NSFW content without any issues (such as DLsite in japan...)
In any case, this is just an example of how companies still will release regardless of any censoring. Having a separate patch on the website is surely annoying maintain and keep available, but they still do it anyway.
I have to disagree with this, though:
All western corporations being run by activists who hate fans continuously and ruining hobbies one by one.
The ones who want to censor those things are not really the kind of activists you're thinking of (I assume you're meaning liberals / politics when you say that...)
Those who censor nudity and so forth are the conservative types, often related to religion but not always. Coincidentally, they're also the same people who want to enforce the obnoxious hyper masculinity in western games. Why? Because if it's too beautiful, someone might 'call it gay' or say that it's 'corrupting the kids'. Nonsense, but that's what it is. Pandering to the whining masses.
Also, it's not all corporations either. Maybe the big ones, sure. But a lot of niche publishers don't give a shit about politics or broad appeal-- they know their audience (weebs) and will provide all the anime T&A needed to keep those people happy.
@quercifolia You are completely ignoring his point and telling a lie that makes absolutely no sense by blaming conservatives. The insane amount of censorship that we are seeing recently, all of them comes from liberals and leftist and I know that because conservatives have lost all of their power in the west and everyone of these companies that are doing it are not conservative companies and are not even run by conservatives. Also I apologise if I sounded too aggressive. English is not my first language and sometimes I am too forward in the way that I type or speak, peoples had told me this in the past that is why the preemptively apology. Sometimes |
Hundred_KnightNov 14, 2023 10:55 PM
If you want to know more about the censorship that is infecting all forms of media, the following links may interest you. https://varishangout.com/index.php?forums/censorship.41/ https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/poor-localization-compilation-thread.31/ https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/shitty-localizers-general.553/ https://store.steampowered.com/curator/10576967-Cut-Content-Police/ HH✋ "Do You Want Total War?" - J.G "Our Patience Has It's Limits" - J.G |
Nov 14, 2023 10:54 PM
#30
Reply to Hundred_Knight
@quercifolia You are completely ignoring his point and telling a lie that makes absolutely no sense by blaming conservatives.
The insane amount of censorship that we are seeing recently, all of them comes from liberals and leftist and I know that because conservatives have lost all of their power in the west and everyone of these companies that are doing it are not conservative companies and are not even run by conservatives.
Also I apologise if I sounded too aggressive.
English is not my first language and sometimes I am too forward in the way that I type or speak, peoples had told me this in the past that is why the preemptively apology.
Sometimes
The insane amount of censorship that we are seeing recently, all of them comes from liberals and leftist and I know that because conservatives have lost all of their power in the west and everyone of these companies that are doing it are not conservative companies and are not even run by conservatives.
Also I apologise if I sounded too aggressive.
English is not my first language and sometimes I am too forward in the way that I type or speak, peoples had told me this in the past that is why the preemptively apology.
Sometimes
@Hundred_Knight you know it's not even about censorship i am really mad about all agendas that are ruining entertainment sources one by one and great push of ugly trend that we can see in games and comics specially female characters don't look females anymore most of them looks goblins or men at best. You won't find a single beautiful female character in new western games aside from some rare exceptions. Even China is not purtain. Stories, gameplays, characters are so sanitized and safe it really bizzare and twiiter 24/7 attacks anime and manga for having fan service. |
Nov 14, 2023 10:57 PM
#31
Reply to kratos960203
@Hundred_Knight you know it's not even about censorship i am really mad about all agendas that are ruining entertainment sources one by one and great push of ugly trend that we can see in games and comics specially female characters don't look females anymore most of them looks goblins or men at best. You won't find a single beautiful female character in new western games aside from some rare exceptions. Even China is not purtain. Stories, gameplays, characters are so sanitized and safe it really bizzare and twiiter 24/7 attacks anime and manga for having fan service.
@kratos960203 Yes, I know that there is much more than just censorship, but thanks for always reminding me that the situation is much worse. |
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Nov 14, 2023 11:05 PM
#32
Reply to Hundred_Knight
@kratos960203 Yes, I know that there is much more than just censorship, but thanks for always reminding me that the situation is much worse.
@Hundred_Knight Let's hope in next decade things will be become normal |
Nov 15, 2023 2:16 AM
#33
Reply to Hundred_Knight
@quercifolia You are completely ignoring his point and telling a lie that makes absolutely no sense by blaming conservatives.
The insane amount of censorship that we are seeing recently, all of them comes from liberals and leftist and I know that because conservatives have lost all of their power in the west and everyone of these companies that are doing it are not conservative companies and are not even run by conservatives.
Also I apologise if I sounded too aggressive.
English is not my first language and sometimes I am too forward in the way that I type or speak, peoples had told me this in the past that is why the preemptively apology.
Sometimes
The insane amount of censorship that we are seeing recently, all of them comes from liberals and leftist and I know that because conservatives have lost all of their power in the west and everyone of these companies that are doing it are not conservative companies and are not even run by conservatives.
Also I apologise if I sounded too aggressive.
English is not my first language and sometimes I am too forward in the way that I type or speak, peoples had told me this in the past that is why the preemptively apology.
Sometimes
@Hundred_Knight The idea of modest clothing, hiding sexual content, treating sex and other things as shameful, etc. All of that, in the form of censorship, comes from a conservative viewpoint though. Specifically it is a religious one. The anti-sexual content moral brigade has always been conservative. There is nothing wrong with having modest clothing or whatever, but when it starts to affect things like a characters costume or whatever, that's censorship. Maybe you don't like liberal and that's also fine, but let's not pretend they're the one's claiming breastfeeding is too sexual to do in public or whatever. Also no worries about typing a bit bluntly, I also type bluntly and can come across the same way so I understand and hope you could understand me as well. In the end I just want everyone enjoy to anime. |
Nov 15, 2023 2:23 AM
#34
Reply to kratos960203
@quercifolia i agree with things you say but how law will stop ideology indoctrination that ruined things and i was talking about female characters males one are majority decent looking but female character getting uglier and uglier with each passing year
@kratos960203 if the law allows whatever content, the point I'm making is it won't be censored. Those different types of media can have different content. There is content I don't believe in or agree with, but that's the beauty of not having censorship, everyone can tell the story they want to tell, the way they want to tell it. Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over. |
Nov 15, 2023 2:37 AM
#35
1. true 2. eh, it gets worse, but then it will get better again. Even now its pretty obvious when CGI is used to cut corners, vs when its used as an artistic choice. I Think AI will be the same. and by the time AI is advanced enough to make full productions, then that just means anyone can make a full ass shoe even if they are just one person. and honestly? that sound REALLY interesting to. i want to ser how that would even work. 3. yeah screw this one the most. I REALLY hope that never ever happens. 4. and why is this a problem? if other countries start making anime like stuff to compete, that just means more great 2 animations to watch for us! |
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Nov 15, 2023 2:42 AM
#36
Reply to Tablekun
AI needs to be stopped in its tracks, worldwide.
@Tablekun Instead of saying: "One of the most useful crafts of the past decade should go away" why not try and find ways to use it without fucking everyone over? AI is not going away. thats not a solution, its deleting the whole damn question. |
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Nov 15, 2023 3:23 AM
#37
Looks at the recent news with MAPPA. Company taking advantage of the workers to death to meet deadline and production quality. Anime fans supporting MAPPA instead of the actual staffs that drained out working on the series behind the scenes. |
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Nov 15, 2023 3:56 AM
#38
Reply to quercifolia
@kratos960203 if the law allows whatever content, the point I'm making is it won't be censored. Those different types of media can have different content. There is content I don't believe in or agree with, but that's the beauty of not having censorship, everyone can tell the story they want to tell, the way they want to tell it.
Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over.
Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over.
@quercifolia quercifolia said: if the law allows whatever content, the point I'm making is it won't be censored. Those different types of media can have different content. There is content I don't believe in or agree with, but that's the beauty of not having censorship, everyone can tell the story they want to tell, the way they want to tell it. These things will not be censored by laws but they will be censored by ideologies of that people who have over taken the corporations. It won't censored by law will be censored by people who works on that entity. quercifolia said: Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over. Lmao you think stronger female characters be will only valid when they start to look like man. Everyone knows it they are deliberately uglyfying female characters when face model actress of those characters looks fine |
Nov 15, 2023 4:16 AM
#39
Reply to kratos960203
@quercifolia
These things will not be censored by laws but they will be censored by ideologies of that people who have over taken the corporations.
It won't censored by law will be censored by people who works on that entity.
Lmao you think stronger female characters be will only valid when they start to look like man. Everyone knows it they are deliberately uglyfying female characters when face model actress of those characters looks fine
quercifolia said:
if the law allows whatever content, the point I'm making is it won't be censored. Those different types of media can have different content. There is content I don't believe in or agree with, but that's the beauty of not having censorship, everyone can tell the story they want to tell, the way they want to tell it.
if the law allows whatever content, the point I'm making is it won't be censored. Those different types of media can have different content. There is content I don't believe in or agree with, but that's the beauty of not having censorship, everyone can tell the story they want to tell, the way they want to tell it.
These things will not be censored by laws but they will be censored by ideologies of that people who have over taken the corporations.
It won't censored by law will be censored by people who works on that entity.
quercifolia said:
Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over.
Also there is a definite shift towards having a stronger female character, instead of just an empty-headed eye-candy. I suspect they are trying not to treat women as a sexy object for people to drool over.
Lmao you think stronger female characters be will only valid when they start to look like man. Everyone knows it they are deliberately uglyfying female characters when face model actress of those characters looks fine
@kratos960203 "censored by ideologies" And again, that's the beauty of free speech. People can make whatever they want, that includes things you or I may not like. There is anime about adolf hitler, for example. I may not like that but I'll defend peoples right to both make it and have it available. Ultimately, it boils down to your personal tastes. If someone creates something not to your taste; that isn't censorship. "Everyone knows it they are deliberately uglyfying female" More like people are making female characters more realistic. Women as a whole consist of more than pretty face and big boobs, after all. There are women who aren't maximum levels of beauty. In fact 99% of women are not 'peak sexy'. If the beauty of a character is the only value you can see in them, that's your own preference, though I personally find that kind of sad. In the end, variety is nice and again if it's not your tastes, there are still plenty of series with to enjoy. Or you could enjoy the multitude of old series that are out there. You haven't watched that much anime, so don't worry, you will not run out anytime soon. |
Nov 15, 2023 4:59 AM
#40
kratos960203 said: 4-Competition from another countries i know it's kinda silly but due to the rising popularity of anime countries like China, South Korea also adapted anime art style in their comics, animation and games. Even many gacha games which are way popular are from either China and South Korea. Example - Genshin impact, Nikke, Azur lane etc and they are also working towards animation. With the typical stereotypes and stigmas that the Chinese media and anything Chinese related tend to get, I doubt that's going to happen. |
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Nov 15, 2023 5:29 AM
#41
quercifolia said: @kratos960203 "censored by ideologies" And again, that's the beauty of free speech. People can make whatever they want, that includes things you or I may not like. There is anime about adolf hitler, for example. I may not like that but I'll defend peoples right to both make it and have it available. Ultimately, it boils down to your personal tastes. If someone creates something not to your taste; that isn't censorship. "Everyone knows it they are deliberately uglyfying female" More like people are making female characters more realistic. Women as a whole consist of more than pretty face and big boobs, after all. There are women who aren't maximum levels of beauty. In fact 99% of women are not 'peak sexy'. If the beauty of a character is the only value you can see in them, that's your own preference, though I personally find that kind of sad. In the end, variety is nice and again if it's not your tastes, there are still plenty of series with to enjoy. Or you could enjoy the multitude of old series that are out there. You haven't watched that much anime, so don't worry, you will not run out anytime soon. no it's not about just boobs and ass at all just look at any western game female character face and tell me that yeah it's a female |
kratos960203Nov 15, 2023 6:23 AM
Nov 15, 2023 5:29 AM
#42
LordSozin said: kratos960203 said: 4-Competition from another countries i know it's kinda silly but due to the rising popularity of anime countries like China, South Korea also adapted anime art style in their comics, animation and games. Even many gacha games which are way popular are from either China and South Korea. Example - Genshin impact, Nikke, Azur lane etc and they are also working towards animation. With the typical stereotypes and stigmas that the Chinese media and anything Chinese related tend to get, I doubt that's going to happen. genshin impact and other chinese games already proved it |
Nov 15, 2023 5:32 AM
#43
Reply to APolygons2
@Tablekun Instead of saying:
"One of the most useful crafts of the past decade should go away"
why not try and find ways to use it without fucking everyone over?
AI is not going away. thats not a solution, its deleting the whole damn question.
"One of the most useful crafts of the past decade should go away"
why not try and find ways to use it without fucking everyone over?
AI is not going away. thats not a solution, its deleting the whole damn question.
@APolygons2 The world is fine without AI lol. Yes, I will allow the world to destroy their cultures, be my guest. |
Nov 15, 2023 5:41 AM
#44
Reply to kratos960203
LordSozin said:
With the typical stereotypes and stigmas that the Chinese media and anything Chinese related tend to get, I doubt that's going to happen.
kratos960203 said:
4-Competition from another countries i know it's kinda silly but due to the rising popularity of anime countries like China, South Korea also adapted anime art style in their comics, animation and games. Even many gacha games which are way popular are from either China and South Korea. Example - Genshin impact, Nikke, Azur lane etc and they are also working towards animation.
4-Competition from another countries i know it's kinda silly but due to the rising popularity of anime countries like China, South Korea also adapted anime art style in their comics, animation and games. Even many gacha games which are way popular are from either China and South Korea. Example - Genshin impact, Nikke, Azur lane etc and they are also working towards animation.
With the typical stereotypes and stigmas that the Chinese media and anything Chinese related tend to get, I doubt that's going to happen.
genshin impact and other chinese games already proved it
@kratos960203, those games are specifically made with anime appeals. I get it. The game often touts its "open world" experience and unique elemental combat systems, but once you play the game, the open world is not that impressive. The main appeal comes from the characters and extremely detailed attention to designs that appeal to anime and the like. Why do you think the game even has Japanese voice-over and the majority of the people play with Japanese voice-overs? Lastly, the Chinese games are mostly mobile-based. In the broader sphere of gaming, Chinese games aren't even that well known and have a reputation. |
LordSozinNov 15, 2023 5:49 AM
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Nov 15, 2023 5:43 AM
#45
LordSozin said: @kratos960203, those games are specifically made with anime appeals. I get it. The game often touts its "open world" experience and unique elemental combat systems, but once you play the game, the open world is not that impressive. The main appeal comes from the characters and extremely detailed attention to designs that appeal to anime and the like. Why do you think the game even has Japanese voice-over and the majority of the people play with Japanese voice-overs? i agree you raised a good point and maybe many people won't know that genshin impact is from China not Japan |
Nov 15, 2023 5:48 AM
#46
Reply to kratos960203
LordSozin said:
@kratos960203, those games are specifically made with anime appeals. I get it. The game often touts its "open world" experience and unique elemental combat systems, but once you play the game, the open world is not that impressive. The main appeal comes from the characters and extremely detailed attention to designs that appeal to anime and the like.
Why do you think the game even has Japanese voice-over and the majority of the people play with Japanese voice-overs?
@kratos960203, those games are specifically made with anime appeals. I get it. The game often touts its "open world" experience and unique elemental combat systems, but once you play the game, the open world is not that impressive. The main appeal comes from the characters and extremely detailed attention to designs that appeal to anime and the like.
Why do you think the game even has Japanese voice-over and the majority of the people play with Japanese voice-overs?
i agree you raised a good point and maybe many people won't know that genshin impact is from China not Japan
@kratos960203, and if we are specifically talking about producing anime, there are people who just don't like Chinese voice acting and the way of speaking. I never really understood this but that's a common thing I see. |
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Nov 15, 2023 8:37 AM
#47
Reply to Tablekun
@APolygons2 The world is fine without AI lol. Yes, I will allow the world to destroy their cultures, be my guest.
Tablekun said: The world is fine without AI lol. the world was fine before modern medicine, computers and the internet as well. and for the internet in particular there is so much you say on how it has had negative effect. but trashing the damn thing is dumb, and literally impossible. like even if you did manage to somehow convince yourself or me that the world would be better without it, that's not how things work. If the atomic fucking bomb is still a thing, people are not going to avoid AI in fear. once something is brought into the world, and introduced to everyone, you can't just delete it. trying to do so IS a loosing battle and you don't need me to tell you that. so crying about it, and is pointless at best. what you CAN do is shit like the writers strikes, where they have conditions like "AI not being allowed to learn from their works without their permission" It would be a hard thing to manage and regulate, but that's a start. it's an actual useful term that helps everyone. The whole "AI should just go away" mindset is again, not only COMPLETELY pointless and will never result in anything It also undermines the countless actual useful things that AI can be used for, that doesn't involve replacing jobs. Imagine if it fastened the process by enough that we could have solo developers make actual full projects wit reasonable time. and I'll do you one better. Imagine if 10 years from now, AI has been so defined that anyone can make anything they want. "If everyone is special, then no one is" If everyone can make anything they want. then what they want to make "aka their creativity" will be the only factor. but again, the biggest take away isn't even that. it's the fact that you LITERALLY CAN'T do anything to completely delete AI. that's not an option. it would be impossible. so the only solution, is to regulate it withing reason like the writer strike thing I mentioned. AI can be trained on royalty free and consenting works. Even if you are against AI, that should be your goal. not something that you know well is unachievable. |
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Nov 15, 2023 8:46 AM
#48
LordSozin said: @kratos960203, and if we are specifically talking about producing anime, there are people who just don't like Chinese voice acting and the way of speaking. I never really understood this but that's a common thing I see. it's stigma against chinese content because of their government |
Nov 15, 2023 11:59 AM
#49
Distribution monopolies in international territories is becoming a huge problem in the industry. Crunchyroll here in the United States has been gaining way too much power after absorbing FUNimation and RightStuf leaving Viz, Netflix, Hulu, and HiDive as their only competition. And the problem is that Viz basically puts all their series on Crunchyroll anyways, Netflix is pretty hated for their distribution model, and HiDive is like very niche and is no longer going to be accessible in non-English speaking countries. Crunchyroll is literally becoming way too powerful in the industry, and with barely any meaningful competition they will stifle innovation in the distribution scene in the West. Cruncyhroll is also pretty notorious in the industry itself for rushing and underpaying its translators, refusing to credit the translators who overwork themselves for insufficient pay, and for union busting. When a greedy corporation like this gobbles up all its competition it looks pretty bleak for the distribution of anime outside of Japan for the consumer and for those who are working in the industry itself. I know some people will say "just pirate" but the average person will not pirate, and since Cruncyhroll is basically their only option, will go to them furthering their power. And Crunchyroll now owning FUNimation and RightStuf basically means if you collect physical media or merch of a bunch of anime, guess who's getting that money most likely. We need more competition in the distribution or else Crunchyroll will get more and more greedy and have no motivation to improve their shitty business practices or make pro-consumer moves. |
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Nov 15, 2023 4:48 PM
#50
LSSJ_Gaming said: Distribution monopolies in international territories is becoming a huge problem in the industry. Crunchyroll here in the United States has been gaining way too much power after absorbing FUNimation and RightStuf leaving Viz, Netflix, Hulu, and HiDive as their only competition. And the problem is that Viz basically puts all their series on Crunchyroll anyways, Netflix is pretty hated for their distribution model, and HiDive is like very niche and is no longer going to be accessible in non-English speaking countries. Crunchyroll is literally becoming way too powerful in the industry, and with barely any meaningful competition they will stifle innovation in the distribution scene in the West. Cruncyhroll is also pretty notorious in the industry itself for rushing and underpaying its translators, refusing to credit the translators who overwork themselves for insufficient pay, and for union busting. When a greedy corporation like this gobbles up all its competition it looks pretty bleak for the distribution of anime outside of Japan for the consumer and for those who are working in the industry itself. I know some people will say "just pirate" but the average person will not pirate, and since Cruncyhroll is basically their only option, will go to them furthering their power. And Crunchyroll now owning FUNimation and RightStuf basically means if you collect physical media or merch of a bunch of anime, guess who's getting that money most likely. We need more competition in the distribution or else Crunchyroll will get more and more greedy and have no motivation to improve their shitty business practices or make pro-consumer moves. I agree i don't like crunchyroll monopoly at all and they can force Japanese company to alter their content because they can simply say no that they will not stream that anime cause it's too problematic |
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