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japan does not care about sakuga or high quality animation?
Feb 16, 2023 8:53 AM
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first was Tokyo Revengers and now COTE https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2077098

so thoughts? looks like japan have low standards? but i think they rather watch poor 2D animation than 3DCG in general still
Feb 16, 2023 8:56 AM
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If they didn't care, they wouldn't have fixed the animation in the BD release.
Feb 16, 2023 8:59 AM
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Thats one hell of a reach which is pretty much a classic leftist move if you ask me and as if they didn't then trigger wouldn't have existed in the first place since they built their brand on edgy and sharp visuals and animation.

Feb 16, 2023 9:05 AM
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sounds to me like Japan has their priorities in order at least in regards to this.
Feb 16, 2023 9:21 AM
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well the things they care are actually might be of no importance to us. 
Feb 16, 2023 9:24 AM
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They don't care about it, and Westerners only care about animation and sakuga, but it's MAPPA's fault for badly adapting Chainsaw Man.
If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

Perhaps, this is hell.
Feb 16, 2023 9:27 AM
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Inu-Ou BDs came out recently. Watch it. Has some of the most breathtaking dance sakuga I've ever seen.
Feb 16, 2023 9:28 AM
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It's not that they don't care, it's that certain series can offer more enjoyment outside of just sakuga.

And TR and COTE are both mainstream internationally as well, so why would you think this is only present in Japanese audiences?
Feb 16, 2023 9:28 AM
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El001 said:
Inu-Ou BDs came out recently. Watch it. Has some of the most breathtaking dance sakuga I've ever seen.
What were the numbers?? I loved the movie so I'm curious.
Feb 16, 2023 9:30 AM
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StaleNut said:
El001 said:
Inu-Ou BDs came out recently. Watch it. Has some of the most breathtaking dance sakuga I've ever seen.
What were the numbers?? I loved the movie so I'm curious.

Numbers? Do you mean sales numbers?
Feb 16, 2023 9:39 AM
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El001 said:
StaleNut said:
What were the numbers?? I loved the movie so I'm curious.

Numbers? Do you mean sales numbers?
Yes. I haven't seen any news regarding it.
Feb 16, 2023 9:55 AM
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StaleNut said:
El001 said:

Numbers? Do you mean sales numbers?
Yes. I haven't seen any news regarding it.

There's this. It apparently sold 4400+ copies within 5 days after the release, but I couldn't find any info on the sales after those 5 days.
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El001 said:
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Yes. I haven't seen any news regarding it.

There's this. It apparently sold 4400+ copies within 5 days after the release, but I couldn't find any info on the sales after those 5 days.
I see. That's pretty good for a movie I'd say. Thanks.
Feb 16, 2023 10:11 AM
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Say-My-Name said:
If they didn't care, they wouldn't have fixed the animation in the BD release.


afaik BD corrections are just for offmodel drawings especially static and still frames and never correcting actual animation or sakuga
Feb 16, 2023 10:25 AM

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it's not that they don't care, have you ever heard the phrase "done is better than perfect"?
if visuals didn't matter, mediocre trash like kimetsu wouldn't have dominated sales. which also involved bad cgi at times. and slapped on fireplace effects.
what ruined csm was the director himself. the show was poorly paced, looked awful, and the director made disgusting anti-anime statements.
then tried to cover his ass with "b-but fujimoto likes movies, don't blame me"
he made a bad product, trying to tailor it to his own taste, then he was an insufferable asshole, then pretended it was never his fault.
even now he says "we don't know what went wrong" what an asshat.
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Feb 16, 2023 10:32 AM
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I don't get what people's problem is with the chainsaw man adaptation, like it was pretty well animated, had very good direction, and animated the manga at like 1.5 chapters per ep which is a little slow but not terrible. I mean especially given how many bad adaptations there are I just don't see what there is to dislike.
Feb 16, 2023 10:37 AM
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DaddyDonovan said:
I don't get what people's problem is with the chainsaw man adaptation, like it was pretty well animated, had very good direction, and animated the manga at like 1.5 chapters per ep which is a little slow but not terrible. I mean especially given how many bad adaptations there are I just don't see what there is to dislike.


the chainsaw man manga is fast pace and more funny i guess unlike the serious or realistic tone and slow pacing of the anime
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deg said:
DaddyDonovan said:
I don't get what people's problem is with the chainsaw man adaptation, like it was pretty well animated, had very good direction, and animated the manga at like 1.5 chapters per ep which is a little slow but not terrible.  I mean especially given how many bad adaptations there are I just don't see what there is to dislike.


the chainsaw man manga is fast pace and more funny i guess unlike the serious or realistic tone and slow pacing of the anime
hmm, the show definitely was still not that serious until the second half but I guess that makes sense, I'm someone who likes the slower pace and more serious tone of the show but it didn't occur to me that the manga might be losing some of it's identity being adapted like that.  I guess that explains it.
Feb 16, 2023 10:44 AM

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Phosphophyllita said:
They don't care about it, and Westerners only care about animation and sakuga, but it's MAPPA's fault for badly adapting Chainsaw Man.
What are you talking about... They adapted it flawlessly.
Feb 16, 2023 10:47 AM

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if they didn't care about it, chainsaw man would have actually sold more than 1700ish but because of the cgi no one cared to own a copy of cgi
Feb 16, 2023 10:49 AM

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deg said:
DaddyDonovan said:
I don't get what people's problem is with the chainsaw man adaptation, like it was pretty well animated, had very good direction, and animated the manga at like 1.5 chapters per ep which is a little slow but not terrible.  I mean especially given how many bad adaptations there are I just don't see what there is to dislike.


the chainsaw man manga is fast pace and more funny i guess unlike the serious or realistic tone and slow pacing of the anime
Anime's pacing of 3 chapters per episode is pretty standard though
Feb 16, 2023 10:50 AM
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MarkVijet said:
deg said:


the chainsaw man manga is fast pace and more funny i guess unlike the serious or realistic tone and slow pacing of the anime
Anime's pacing of 3 chapters per episode is pretty standard though


if you read the manga of chainsaw man each chapter takes like 3 minutes to read that is how fast pace it is, it has less dialogues and more action panels

the anime drag the scenes so long that its overly animated or have too much animation
Feb 16, 2023 10:58 AM

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I never noticed that and I have read the manga. Both were always entertaining to me, which is even more so an accomplishment for anime because I know what happens next. Episodes ended without me noticing 
Feb 16, 2023 11:10 AM
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why wouldn't you care for something special?........
Feb 16, 2023 11:19 AM

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deg said:
MarkVijet said:
Anime's pacing of 3 chapters per episode is pretty standard though


if you read the manga of chainsaw man each chapter takes like 3 minutes to read that is how fast pace it is, it has less dialogues and more action panels

the anime drag the scenes so long that its overly animated or have too much animation

If anything the slow scenes carried the anime.
Watching bad CG Denji slash maniacally with no pause would be very tiring very fast.
The good thing about anime is that it can pace out things, whereas a manga just drops all the panels on you at once.
The webtoon format can replicate that by using empty space, but since manga is printed, that'd be a huge waste of paper.
Feb 16, 2023 11:20 AM

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What exactly is "sakuga"? I've been googling it but I can only vaguely understand that it's some exceptionally animated scene. Can someone give me a visual example of this?
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Feb 16, 2023 11:27 AM
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JaniSIr said:
deg said:


if you read the manga of chainsaw man each chapter takes like 3 minutes to read that is how fast pace it is, it has less dialogues and more action panels

the anime drag the scenes so long that its overly animated or have too much animation

If anything the slow scenes carried the anime.
Watching bad CG Denji slash maniacally with no pause would be very tiring very fast.
The good thing about anime is that it can pace out things, whereas a manga just drops all the panels on you at once.
The webtoon format can replicate that by using empty space, but since manga is printed, that'd be a huge waste of paper.


have you read the manga?

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What exactly is "sakuga"? I've been googling it but I can only vaguely understand that it's some exceptionally animated scene. Can someone give me a visual example of this?


sakuga simply means good or great animation but then good or great animation is subjective so it varies but you can check some here https://sakugabooru.com/
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FrozenLich said:
What exactly is "sakuga"? I've been googling it but I can only vaguely understand that it's some exceptionally animated scene. Can someone give me a visual example of this?
I think it's an animation scene that requires a ton of budget, either be an impactful or important scene that are worth the watch for the viewers. Are you still not satisfied with this answer? This is the answer I took from google btw, it's just basically that.
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Feb 16, 2023 11:30 AM
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dumbandinsane said:
FrozenLich said:
What exactly is "sakuga"? I've been googling it but I can only vaguely understand that it's some exceptionally animated scene. Can someone give me a visual example of this?
I think it's an animation scene that requires a ton of budget, either be an impactful or important scene that are worth the watch for the viewers.


sakuga is not high budget though https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ao8k4t/bahi_jd_animator_explaining_how_high_quality/
Feb 16, 2023 11:34 AM

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deg said:
have you read the manga?

No, I don't read action manga, i can't follow what's happening in such a low frame rate. And you'll have a hard time selling me a manga by telling me that the best parts of the anime are missing.

Besides, there's a difference in being slow paced and boring. Showcasing the daily life life of the characters was important for the anime, so was showing them being bored in the hotel thingy.
Feb 16, 2023 11:36 AM
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JaniSIr said:
deg said:
have you read the manga?

No, I don't read action manga, i can't follow what's happening in such a low frame rate. And you'll have a hard time selling me a manga by telling me that the best parts of the anime are missing.

Besides, there's a difference in being slow paced and boring. Showcasing the daily life life of the characters was important for the anime, so was showing them being bored in the hotel thingy.


well that is the thing the japanese manga readers aka core fans did not enjoy the anime adaptation hence the low disc sales
Feb 16, 2023 11:38 AM

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deg said:
sakuga simply means good or great animation but then good or great animation is subjective so it varies but you can check some here https://sakugabooru.com/

Thanks. That site showed me exactly what sakuga meant. But since it had so many examples in anime, doesn't it mean that they still care?
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Feb 16, 2023 11:39 AM
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FrozenLich said:
deg said:
sakuga simply means good or great animation but then good or great animation is subjective so it varies but you can check some here https://sakugabooru.com/

Thanks. That site showed me exactly what sakuga meant. But since it had so many examples in anime, doesn't it mean that they still care?


what do you mean they still care? of what?
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deg said:
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Thanks. That site showed me exactly what sakuga meant. But since it had so many examples in anime, doesn't it mean that they still care?

what do you mean they still care? of what?
I was talking about OP's question of whether Japan still cares about sakuga. Maybe I should have quoted OP before the 2nd sentence. My bad.
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Feb 16, 2023 11:46 AM
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FrozenLich said:
deg said:

what do you mean they still care? of what?
I was talking about OP's question of whether Japan still cares about sakuga. Maybe I should have quoted OP before the 2nd sentence. My bad.


ah ok well plenty of anime have mid animation now a days due to anime overproduction that causes more animator shortage crisis and tight schedules but still the anime industry is growing in profit
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What makes you think they don't? Don't you want to ask if western people care too much about sakuga either?
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I know that there is nothing better than good drawings, but I know the time and expense involved, so I am not looking for high quality.

There are animations with beautiful drawings but uninteresting stories.

Also, if too much effort is put into drawing, there will be months between the first and second seasons, during which time the trend will shift to new animation, and the viewer may become bored with the work. It is sometimes better to air a certain number of episodes at once, even if the quality is lowered a little.

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Only manchildren care about animation quality and whatever the fuck sakuga is.

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