DreamingBeats said: ColourWheel said: Subtitles obstructing the actual picture and the animation. Amazon, Hulu, Hidive, and from what I recall older shows on Crunchyroll don't give you the option to turn off subtitles. Even in the official bluray releases for at least some shows, apparently there's no option to turn them off either. It is what it is. If anything, i would be surprised if illegal sites didn't give you that option - it shouldn't be terribly difficult to implement. One advantage of watching on Japanese sites via VPN is that you don't get such distractions. Any Anime released before 2010 I will usually just hunt down a physical copy of it. One reason why is because of fidelity. I never run into a problem being able to turn off subtitles on official western streaming sites when it comes to contemporary Anime that streams series as of yet and that's really the only reason I will watch Anime streaming in the 1st place is specifically to check out new shows. Some times I won't even bother finishing them and drop after the 1st few episodes. This has been pretty common thing I find when dealing with so many seasonal throw-aways these day. Most Seasonal Anime I end up watching with real life friends so it's often times we just watch anime dubbed because they don't understand Japanese and we are also drinking beer while shooting a few games of pool in my mancave. So collectively end up avoid watching Anime that is not dubbed for social gatherings. Only time I watch Anime in Japanese without subtitles is either with my wife who is Japanese or if I am watching Anime by myself. I completely avoid trying to get my hands on certain Anime released through western licensing too unless they are collectors editions. I have a 20 year old daughter and other relatives in Japan who I can occasionally get them to send me stuff I been looking for that I can't normally find in America. Soon my wife and I have plans to visit our daughter and other family in Japan so I definitely plan to splurge when in Akihabara again. |
ColourWheelJan 5, 2023 9:35 PM
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MadanielFL said: ateks said: On Zoro the player still shows when you pauseTo take a screenshot on Crunchy you'd need to let the video run and then time exactly when to do it or else the player hides the screen. Can't imagine you are actually suggesting that this is good compared to a proper video player where it doesn't show the player while pausing and you can skip frame by frame. And no, not all illegal streaming sites have watermarks. On 9anime the player still shows when you pause On gogoanime the player still shows when you pause. Seriosuly from such a superior person like you, I'd thought you actually knew your own stuff. With Crunchyroll I just use mobile to take screenshots, much easier and faster, and there is no player overlay. With proper player I was talking about mpv or vlc for example. I wouldn't even consider taking screenshots from anything else than a true 1080p video (which you won't find as stream), it would look awful as a wallpaper on big screens but maybe we have different use cases so low quality mobile screenshots are fine for you. |
ateks said: I mean, they surely don't look low quality. MadanielFL said: On Zoro the player still shows when you pause On 9anime the player still shows when you pause On gogoanime the player still shows when you pause. Seriosuly from such a superior person like you, I'd thought you actually knew your own stuff. With Crunchyroll I just use mobile to take screenshots, much easier and faster, and there is no player overlay. With proper player I was talking about mpv or vlc for example. I wouldn't even consider taking screenshots from anything else than a true 1080p video (which you won't find as stream), it would look awful as a wallpaper on big screens but maybe we have different use cases so low quality mobile screenshots are fine for you. But it's more for sharing what I'm watching in social media and so on, not for wallpapers or stuff like that. |
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KaiserWilhelm_II said: I honeslty find more annoying those who think they are superior for pirating, like I get it, you don't got money or don't wanna pay.These subscription services in general are mostly trash and basically rely on people being too lazy or dumb to consume it for free. The most annoying crowd is the type of people that try to guilt-trip others over not paying some giga-company money for their mediocre service. But there's nothing superior from someone who doesn't support the industry over someone who does... |
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musiqualizator said: Because there aren't that many legal streaming sites to create a competitive environment as there are in the nonlegal sites, plus the illegals are made by people that actually consume anime and since there more feedback from real people they tend to be more aware of the needs and likes of day to day consumers You got to be delusional if you think this is why illegal streaming exist. Some of the people behind pirating might consume Anime but they are simply doing it to exploit the industry for their own self interest or profit. You really think no one watches Anime that work for official streaming services and are not aware of their own consumers needs? Pirated streaming sites are pocketing money without licensing to IP they have no right to stream in the 1st place. They don't give a damn about you anymore than some bureaucrat working for an official streaming site. As long as you keep visiting their site so they can make their virtual real estate rise high enough to simply sell it off one day they likely could care less if the industry as a whole eventually dies off. |
ColourWheelJan 5, 2023 10:21 PM
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| I have to admit that the Funimation website is not user-friendly at all and it probably has the worst layout I've ever seen. Crunchyroll is still working on improving its website all while adding new shows and their new features are only available in the US to my knowledge. However, in my experience, there isn't a single illegal website that I've used that had a better interface than legal websites. They typically look cheaply done and dull. |
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| Most people are entitled to something for nothing, are to "poor" to afford legal streaming (More then half these people I know spend hundreds on Steam/PSN/Xbox games online that they never play) or they're in a region where you pay for an extremely limited catalog that you'll never get your moneys worth from it (I can see why people from these regions pirate and I don't blame them). I used to use legal services but not anymore for certain reasons. I've used both Funi and CR in the past. I stopped using CR because the media player is bugged, the catalog (At the time I was using it) was still region locked bad enough for someone from Australia and I was never able to get a yearly subscription which I tend to do for all my subscriptions to save money in the long run. I originally ran a trail on Funimation streaming but never paid for the same reasons. AnimeLab here in Australia I had a subscription day 1 and everything I needed was on there, since being "merged" with the Funi player I never continued my subscription since Funi is still run like a piece of shit. I heard Crunchyroll is slightly better now but I stopped using the main legal stream services because I didn't want to pay full price for a restricted, broken product. Mobile services are apparently pretty good but I stream anime on my laptop, until the day they give me a fully functioning, full cataloged product without needing a VPN I refuse to pay for something that isn't worth it. I buy alot of anime and LN's so I'm not a total pirate, I'm at the point now though I can't blind buy anime like I used to since I'm old enough to have responsibilities and restricted by space available at home |
| @Curdiss CR's compression is the least. negligible if compared to illegal streaming sites. CR still provides the best quality for seasonals. |
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ColourWheel said: If they're just in it for the money why aren't they casting the largest net possible by streaming non-anime. Why do they carry features people want or have been asking for on larger sites? Why do they dedicate storage space to old media that almost no one watches? It's a labour of love not only to create but to maintain these sites. Is there money in it? Yeah of course there is, there needs to be to keep the lights on.musiqualizator said: Because there aren't that many legal streaming sites to create a competitive environment as there are in the nonlegal sites, plus the illegals are made by people that actually consume anime and since there more feedback from real people they tend to be more aware of the needs and likes of day to day consumers You got to be delusional if you think this is why illegal streaming exist. Some of the people behind pirating might consume Anime but they are simply doing it to exploit the industry for their own self interest or profit. You really think no one watches Anime that work for official streaming services and are not aware of their own consumers needs? Pirated streaming sites are pocketing money without licensing to IP they have no right to stream in the 1st place. They don't give a damn about you anymore than some bureaucrat working for an official streaming site. As long as you keep visiting their site so they can make their virtual real estate rise high enough to simply sell it off one day they likely could care less if the industry as a whole eventually dies off. Crunchyroll doesn't update to carry these features not because they don't care but because they're part of a huge corporate chain. They don't have the freedom to act as they wish and while it sucks that people will villianize them, You are doing the exact same thing to the pirate sites. |
TsutanaiFuun said: Maybe CR has the least compression I don't have the numbers and it seems like nobody else here does either. The only reason I'd said that to you is because this thread had just had that exact conversation where a bunch of people tried (mostly poorly) to explain compression and how it works to somebody who just absolutely did not get it.@Curdiss CR's compression is the least. negligible if compared to illegal streaming sites. CR still provides the best quality for seasonals. I've done a few side by sides for seasonal shows between CR and 9anime (one of the official ones (yes there are official versions of 9anime they are available here)) and while I could tell the difference, I legitimately can't otherwise. Take that with a grain of salt though, My vision is just absurdly bad. I'm not at the level of legal blindness (without glasses) but i'm close and getting closer, aswell as having a defect with my eyes I think since birth? Everything essentially looks like it has a permanent static filter over it all the time forever. I looked it up once and apparently it is a thing and i'm not just crazy. But when I described it to my eye docter he looked at me like I was. |
Curdiss said: lol let me take a shot at this because it's so easy.If they're just in it for the money why aren't they casting the largest net possible by streaming non-anime. Why do they carry features people want or have been asking for on larger sites? Why do they dedicate storage space to old media that almost no one watches? It's a labour of love not only to create but to maintain these sites. Is there money in it? Yeah of course there is, there needs to be to keep the lights on. Why do they not stream non-anime? They do, on different sites that target different niches with the same platform. For example, aside from KissAnime, there are KissDrama or KissAsian. Why do they carry features people want? To attract viewers so they could make more money from the ads, duh. Why do they keep old media? Because they don't host the media themselves. They upload them to video hosting sites like Vimeo, JW Player, DailyMotion that embed ads that pays the site when viewers see them. Some of these smaller sites have lax copyright checking so they get away with it. Having more video content increases their revenue without any costs. It is still true however that regardless of their capitalist intentions, having competition and a money motive spurs them to provide better service. Pirated streaming services can choose the from different fansubs (although most often they don't really give a fuck). CR uses their in-house subbing, which is nowadays a lot better than what it used to be. Funimation does their own subbing, which is often terrible since they base it off the dubs. One could think of numerous examples where pirated is better than legal and vice versa, and anyone who says otherwise is probably an uninspired anarchist or corporate stooge, respectively. |
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MadanielFL said: KaiserWilhelm_II said: I honeslty find more annoying those who think they are superior for pirating, like I get it, you don't got money or don't wanna pay.These subscription services in general are mostly trash and basically rely on people being too lazy or dumb to consume it for free. The most annoying crowd is the type of people that try to guilt-trip others over not paying some giga-company money for their mediocre service. But there's nothing superior from someone who doesn't support the industry over someone who does... Nobody feels superior for pirating, I feel superior for using a better service, not for paying less money. If 9anime had a paid subscription I would absolutely pay for it. Also I'm probably supporting the industry more than you do because I actually import official media and merch if I like an anime. Crunchyroll costs 10 bucks per month of which like a single digit percentage actually goes to the creators so that's just some cents/pennies the creators get from you. You are a hypocrite if you think that you actually supports the industry. The only industry you support is the American streaming industry. |
ateksJan 6, 2023 2:24 AM
| Lol. I'll be the first to admit that I don't "support" any industry. Industries are businesses. They're in the business of selling anime products. To make money. Yes, to feed the families of the artists, but transfer money from your pocket to theirs. There's nothing moral about this proposition. There's no fundamental difference between the anime industry and the retail industry, like Best Buy or McDonald's. Or Exxon Mobile. It's therefore their goal to come up with a product that's good enough that makes me want to spend money on it. When they do that, I buy the blu-rays of the shows I like, and other people like me buy the figurines, etc. But anyone who goes out of their way to support any industry besides on something directly justified by the value they receive is just being swindled by corporatism. If you think getting all your anime in one site is convenient and it's worth it for you to pay for CrunchyRoll's service, then by all means. I don't judge you. But don't give me that moral spiel about "supporting the industry". |
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| Wouldn't know. I use the apps on my smart TV to watch them not the websites. They do take forever to load though and frequently crash for no reason. Both companies are owned by Sony though, complain to them. One things for sure is that they've never given me a virus at least, I can't say the same about illegal sites. I ultimately prefer physical media (Blu-ray/DVD) which is less likely to do any of that shit and and is yours forever on your shelf, not subject to the company losing the rights to it and randomly taking it down. |
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ColourWheel said: Not sure how far down the pirate-site scale you were trolling, but it had to be pretty far. The site the OP was using (i recognize it from its UI) offers far better selection than Crunchy, no ads once you close the pop-up ad at the beginning of the episode, and nearly everything is in 1080p. It can even import and export your watchlist from MAL. It does suffer from a clunky interface, but that is its one and only major flaw. The other site I use has better organization, slightly less choices but still more than Crunchy or any other "mainstream" site (for instance, you cannot get Macross on any legal Western streaming service, but literally every "pirate" site has at least the major series and some even have the spinoffs and specials.) If you're still defending Crunchy, you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you simply don't care about your anime. And no, I am *not* "this new generation" of anime viewers. I've been an anime fan since the mid-Eighties, so that argument is as specious as the rest. If you're gonna post in defense of a trash service, please at least care enough to do your research properly first. Jamison2210 said: They mean that on illegal sites there are around 12,000 anime available to watch compared to Crunchy's 1,000 Doesn't matter how many titles they offer when they are streaming ripped copies of Anime ripped from official streaming sites or ripped from torrents. Illegal streaming Sites offer 3rd even 4th generation copies of this medium when they stream them. I am personally not going to waste my time watching an entire series from the 80s, 90s, or even 2000s and beyond with a lame watermark on it advertising their illegal site either. Audio is noticeably degraded and the picture quality is beyond subpar. If this is how a majority of the new generation of online Anime fans are consuming their Anime, it's no wonder why they would think Anime from the 80s and 90s and even before 2010 would seems like it's crap to them. |
Shipfan66Jan 6, 2023 2:34 AM
Shipfan66 said: ColourWheel said: Not sure how far down the pirate-site scale you were trolling, but it had to be pretty far. The site the OP was using (i recognize it from its UI) offers far better selection than Crunchy, no ads once you close the pop-up ad at the beginning of the episode, and nearly everything is in 1080p. It can even imort and export your watchlist from MAL. It does suffer froma clunky interface, but that is its one and only major flaw. The other site I use has better organization, slightly less choices but still more than Crunchy or any other "mainstream" site (for instance, you cannot get Macross on any legal Western streaming service, but literally every "pirate" site has at least the major series and some even have the spinoffs and specials.) If you're still defending Crunchy, you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you simply don't care about your anime. And no, I am *not* "this new generation" of anime viewers. I've been an anime fan since the mid-Eighties, so that argument is as specious as the rest. If you're gonna post in defense of a trash service, please at least care enough to do your research properly first. Doesn't matter how many titles they offer when they are streaming ripped copies of Anime ripped from official streaming sites or ripped from torrents. Illegal streaming Sites offer 3rd even 4th generation copies of this medium when they stream them. I am personally not going to waste my time watching an entire series from the 80s, 90s, or even 2000s and beyond with a lame watermark on it advertising their illegal site either. Audio is noticeably degraded and the picture quality is beyond subpar. If this is how a majority of the new generation of online Anime fans are consuming their Anime, it's no wonder why they would think Anime from the 80s and 90s and even before 2010 would seems like it's crap to them. Not sure where you got this idea that I am defending "Crunchy". I don't need to do research to know true quality. Just the fact alone most Pirated sites add a watermark to the Anime as well as hardcode subtitles shows it's obviously 3rd or 4th generation copy when you are talking about Anime released before the turn of the century. Even Anime they rip directly from official streaming sources on many pirated sites are 3rd generation at best. I could care less about how user friendly some pirated site offers when they are simply offering Dog shit quality compared to the quality of Anime I usually consume. I have even done a complete comparison of All the old Anime titles I personally own on Laserdisc to DVD between the 80s to 2010 to know better than most people do. Maybe you should do your own research 1st if you really think pirated streaming is the shit compared to the experience you get from an officially released Laserdisc copy or even an Anime that has only ever been released in 480 on DVD. I am sure every Anime Fan would just love it if all official streaming services would go away.... oops!!! Then where would these Pirated site even get their seasonal releases to stream anymore? They basically couldn't anymore. |
ColourWheelJan 6, 2023 2:48 AM
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ColourWheel said: Shipfan66 said: Not sure how far down the pirate-site scale you were trolling, but it had to be pretty far. The site the OP was using (i recognize it from its UI) offers far better selection than Crunchy, no ads once you close the pop-up ad at the beginning of the episode, and nearly everything is in 1080p. It can even imort and export your watchlist from MAL. It does suffer froma clunky interface, but that is its one and only major flaw. The other site I use has better organization, slightly less choices but still more than Crunchy or any other "mainstream" site (for instance, you cannot get Macross on any legal Western streaming service, but literally every "pirate" site has at least the major series and some even have the spinoffs and specials.) If you're still defending Crunchy, you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you simply don't care about your anime. And no, I am *not* "this new generation" of anime viewers. I've been an anime fan since the mid-Eighties, so that argument is as specious as the rest. If you're gonna post in defense of a trash service, please at least care enough to do your research properly first. Not sure where you got this idea that I am defending "Crunchy". I don't need to do research to know true quality. Just the fact alone most Pirated sites add a watermark to the Anime as well as hardcode subtitles shows it's obviously 3rd or 4th generation copy when you are talking about Anime released before the turn of the century. Even Anime they rip directly from official streaming sources on many pirated sites are 3rd generation at best. I could care less about how user friendly some pirated site offers when they are simply offering Dog shit quality compared to the quality of Anime I usually consume. I have even done a complete comparison of All the old Anime titles I personally own on Laserdisc to DVD between the 80s to 2010 to know better than most people do. Maybe you should do your research 1st if you really think pirated streaming is the shit compared to the experience you get from an officially released Laserdisc copy or even an anime that has only ever been released in 480 on DVD. I am sure every Anime Fan would just love it if all official streaming services would go away.... oops!!! Then were would these Pirated site even get their seasonal releases anymore? Likely they will all shutdown as well. You couldn't even tell the difference if I sent you one screenshot from Crunchy and one from 9anime right now. Illegal streaming sites are almost all a 1st generation rip from either a bluray or from a legal streaming site. The way videos are ripped these days makes it pretty much impossible for any human to see a difference, you'd need to view it frame by frame and then zoom in 8x and you'd only see that some pixels are different which doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is worse. If you're such an expert you would know all of that but you are just another paid shill. Also by your logic all illegal streaming sites use watermarks so how could any of them have 3rd or 4th generation copies? Wouldn't they have 3 or 4 different watermarks then? Maybe think about what kind of bullshit you type next time. |
ateks said: 9Anime hardcodes their subtitles as well as adding a tacky watermark. Right there I can tell the difference. Don't even need a screenshot for that. I don't watch Anime with subtitles nor do I want some tacky watermark constantly on the screen. If you like this type of Dog Shit Quality that's all you.ColourWheel said: Not sure where you got this idea that I am defending "Crunchy". I don't need to do research to know true quality. Just the fact alone most Pirated sites add a watermark to the Anime as well as hardcode subtitles shows it's obviously 3rd or 4th generation copy when you are talking about Anime released before the turn of the century. Even Anime they rip directly from official streaming sources on many pirated sites are 3rd generation at best. I could care less about how user friendly some pirated site offers when they are simply offering Dog shit quality compared to the quality of Anime I usually consume. I have even done a complete comparison of All the old Anime titles I personally own on Laserdisc to DVD between the 80s to 2010 to know better than most people do. Maybe you should do your research 1st if you really think pirated streaming is the shit compared to the experience you get from an officially released Laserdisc copy or even an anime that has only ever been released in 480 on DVD. I am sure every Anime Fan would just love it if all official streaming services would go away.... oops!!! Then were would these Pirated site even get their seasonal releases anymore? Likely they will all shutdown as well. You couldn't even tell the difference if I sent you one screenshot from Crunchy and one from 9anime right now. Illegal streaming sites are almost all a 1st generation rip from either a bluray or from a legal streaming site. The way videos are ripped these days makes it pretty much impossible for any human to see a difference, you'd need to view it frame by frame and then zoom in 8x and you'd only see that some pixels are different which doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is worse. If you're such an expert you would know all of that but you are just another paid shill. Also by your logic all illegal streaming sites use watermarks so how could any of them have 3rd or 4th generation copies? Wouldn't they have 3 or 4 different watermarks then? Maybe think about what kind of bullshit you type next time. |
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ColourWheel said: Shipfan66 said: Not sure how far down the pirate-site scale you were trolling, but it had to be pretty far. The site the OP was using (i recognize it from its UI) offers far better selection than Crunchy, no ads once you close the pop-up ad at the beginning of the episode, and nearly everything is in 1080p. It can even imort and export your watchlist from MAL. It does suffer froma clunky interface, but that is its one and only major flaw. The other site I use has better organization, slightly less choices but still more than Crunchy or any other "mainstream" site (for instance, you cannot get Macross on any legal Western streaming service, but literally every "pirate" site has at least the major series and some even have the spinoffs and specials.) If you're still defending Crunchy, you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you simply don't care about your anime. And no, I am *not* "this new generation" of anime viewers. I've been an anime fan since the mid-Eighties, so that argument is as specious as the rest. If you're gonna post in defense of a trash service, please at least care enough to do your research properly first. Not sure where you got this idea that I am defending "Crunchy". I don't need to do research to know true quality. Just the fact alone most Pirated sites add a watermark to the Anime as well as hardcode subtitles shows it's obviously 3rd or 4th generation copy when you are talking about Anime released before the turn of the century. Even Anime they rip directly from official streaming sources on many pirated sites are 3rd generation at best. I could care less about how user friendly some pirated site offers when they are simply offering Dog shit quality compared to the quality of Anime I usually consume. I have even done a complete comparison of All the old Anime titles I personally own on Laserdisc to DVD between the 80s to 2010 to know better than most people do. Maybe you should do your own research 1st if you really think pirated streaming is the shit compared to the experience you get from an officially released Laserdisc copy or even an Anime that has only ever been released in 480 on DVD. I am sure every Anime Fan would just love it if all official streaming services would go away.... oops!!! Then where would these Pirated site even get their seasonal releases to stream anymore? They basically couldn't anymore. Again -- do your research. The sites I use don't use watermarks, and all offer 720p or 1080p quality. NO streaming site can compare with physical media, except for LD which -- dude -- that's been dead since before the turn of the century, ever since DVD came out. So don't even go there. As I said before, I have no idea how far down the lsit of pirate sites you've been trolling to justify your claim of "dogs**t quality", but the three I use have no such thing. DVD is 1080p quality, Blu-Ray is 4k; as no streaming site I know of offers 4k, 1080p/DVD quality is the best you're gonna get. And all three sites, including the one in the OP, offer that on most titles and have more selection than so-called "legal" sites. If you're strictly comparing streamed anime to physical copies, kindly re-read the topic and delete your post entirely, as it has no bearing on "legal" versus "illegal" sites. ColourWheel said: Again -- do your research. Also, read the topic of this thread. If you're strictly comparing physical copies to streamed anime, that has no place in this discussion. If, however, you are comparing "legal" to "illegal" streaming sites, then confine your observations to that. With the exception of Laserdisc, which has been effectively dead since the advent of DVD before the turn of this century, no streaming service, legal or otherwise, offers streaming quality which exceeds physical media. DVD is 1080p quality, the same as the top-tier pirate sites under discussion here. Nor do these sites add their own watermarks, although some titles may havce watermarks fronm the broadcast service the anime was sourced from. All your arguments thus far have been specious and poorly researched, so do the rest of us a favor and leave the discussion to those of us who actually DO know what we're talking about. Shipfan66 said: Not sure how far down the pirate-site scale you were trolling, but it had to be pretty far. The site the OP was using (i recognize it from its UI) offers far better selection than Crunchy, no ads once you close the pop-up ad at the beginning of the episode, and nearly everything is in 1080p. It can even imort and export your watchlist from MAL. It does suffer froma clunky interface, but that is its one and only major flaw. The other site I use has better organization, slightly less choices but still more than Crunchy or any other "mainstream" site (for instance, you cannot get Macross on any legal Western streaming service, but literally every "pirate" site has at least the major series and some even have the spinoffs and specials.) If you're still defending Crunchy, you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you simply don't care about your anime. And no, I am *not* "this new generation" of anime viewers. I've been an anime fan since the mid-Eighties, so that argument is as specious as the rest. If you're gonna post in defense of a trash service, please at least care enough to do your research properly first. Not sure where you got this idea that I am defending "Crunchy". I don't need to do research to know true quality. Just the fact alone most Pirated sites add a watermark to the Anime as well as hardcode subtitles shows it's obviously 3rd or 4th generation copy when you are talking about Anime released before the turn of the century. Even Anime they rip directly from official streaming sources on many pirated sites are 3rd generation at best. I could care less about how user friendly some pirated site offers when they are simply offering Dog shit quality compared to the quality of Anime I usually consume. I have even done a complete comparison of All the old Anime titles I personally own on Laserdisc to DVD between the 80s to 2010 to know better than most people do. Maybe you should do your own research 1st if you really think pirated streaming is the shit compared to the experience you get from an officially released Laserdisc copy or even an Anime that has only ever been released in 480 on DVD. I am sure every Anime Fan would just love it if all official streaming services would go away.... oops!!! Then where would these Pirated site even get their seasonal releases to stream anymore? They basically couldn't anymore. |
ColourWheel said: ateks said: 9Anime hardcodes their subtitles as well as adding a tacky watermark. Right there I can tell the difference. Don't even need a screenshot for that. I don't watch Anime with subtitles nor do I want some tacky watermark constantly on the screen. If you like this type of Dog Shit Quality that's all you.You couldn't even tell the difference if I sent you one screenshot from Crunchy and one from 9anime right now. Illegal streaming sites are almost all a 1st generation rip from either a bluray or from a legal streaming site. The way videos are ripped these days makes it pretty much impossible for any human to see a difference, you'd need to view it frame by frame and then zoom in 8x and you'd only see that some pixels are different which doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is worse. If you're such an expert you would know all of that but you are just another paid shill. Also by your logic all illegal streaming sites use watermarks so how could any of them have 3rd or 4th generation copies? Wouldn't they have 3 or 4 different watermarks then? Maybe think about what kind of bullshit you type next time. Ah so you don't even try to find arguments anymore and just repeat what has already been disproved. Your employer will not be happy to see that you gave up so fast. |
ateks said: You seem more like you work for some Pirated Streaming service more than anyone here. All streaming services can go to hell, I could care less about any of them. Lets go back to the day when true fans would actually collect and buy physical copies.ColourWheel said: 9Anime hardcodes their subtitles as well as adding a tacky watermark. Right there I can tell the difference. Don't even need a screenshot for that. I don't watch Anime with subtitles nor do I want some tacky watermark constantly on the screen. If you like this type of Dog Shit Quality that's all you. Ah so you don't even try to find arguments anymore and just repeat what has already been disproved. Your employer will not be happy to see that you gave up so fast. You should be the poster child of Anime Pirating we can all give you a nick name as the Proud Anime Leech. |
ColourWheelJan 6, 2023 3:21 AM
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ColourWheel said: ateks said: You seem more like you work for some Pirated Streaming service more than anyone here. All streaming services can go to hell, I could care less about any of them. Lets go back to the day when true fans would actually collect and buy physical copies. Ah so you don't even try to find arguments anymore and just repeat what has already been disproved. Your employer will not be happy to see that you gave up so fast. First you write a whole textbook about how Crunchyroll is better and now that all your arguments have been disproved you pretend like you don't actually care about all of this anyway. Peak copium right there. |
ateks said: Now you are just making shit up so I am done arguing with you. Not once have I ever advocated for any specific Streaming service. You on the other hand are Balls Deep in advocating publicly that you are nothing more than an Anime Leech and a proud Anime Pirate. I will remember this from now on next time I see you making a post on this forum complaining about this medium. Because no one cares about peoples opinions in general and Users will likely care even less about the opinion of a User who is so open about their illegal Anime consuming habits. But really it's because you are just annoying, I could generally care less about how people consume their Anime.ColourWheel said: You seem more like you work for some Pirated Streaming service more than anyone here. All streaming services can go to hell, I could care less about any of them. Lets go back to the day when true fans would actually collect and buy physical copies. First you write a whole textbook about how Crunchyroll is better and now that all your arguments have been disproved you pretend like you don't actually care about all of this anyway. Peak copium right there. |
ColourWheelJan 6, 2023 3:53 AM
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ColourWheel said: ateks said: Now you are just making shit up so I am done arguing with you. Not once have I ever advocated for any specific Streaming service. You on the other hand are Balls Deep in advocating publicly that you are nothing more than an Anime Leech and a proud Anime Pirate. I will remember this from now on next time I see you making a post on this forum complaining about this medium. Because no one cares about peoples opinions in general and Users will likely care even less about the opinion of a User who is so open about their illegal Anime consuming habits. But really it's because you are just annoying, I could generally care less about how people consume their Anime.First you write a whole textbook about how Crunchyroll is better and now that all your arguments have been disproved you pretend like you don't actually care about all of this anyway. Peak copium right there. You do realize that over 90% of users here pirate anime and nobody gives a shit? But I'm glad to live rent free in your head. I've also already said multiple times that I support the anime industry far more than any of you Crunchy shills. If anyone is a leech here then you are because all your money goes to American companies and not to the anime industry. If you care so little about how people consume anime then why do you write whole textbooks about how superior your trash streaming site is? Doesn't make much sense unless of course you get paid for it. |
ateks said: I mean they literally help produce anime lol MadanielFL said: I honeslty find more annoying those who think they are superior for pirating, like I get it, you don't got money or don't wanna pay. But there's nothing superior from someone who doesn't support the industry over someone who does... Nobody feels superior for pirating, I feel superior for using a better service, not for paying less money. If 9anime had a paid subscription I would absolutely pay for it. Also I'm probably supporting the industry more than you do because I actually import official media and merch if I like an anime. Crunchyroll costs 10 bucks per month of which like a single digit percentage actually goes to the creators so that's just some cents/pennies the creators get from you. You are a hypocrite if you think that you actually supports the industry. The only industry you support is the American streaming industry. And do you even buy merch for every series you ever pirated? Cause Crunchyroll is basically buying a bunch of merch for all the shows they stream. Which again costs a lot of money, not "pennies" |
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MadanielFL said: ateks said: I mean they literally help produce anime lol Nobody feels superior for pirating, I feel superior for using a better service, not for paying less money. If 9anime had a paid subscription I would absolutely pay for it. Also I'm probably supporting the industry more than you do because I actually import official media and merch if I like an anime. Crunchyroll costs 10 bucks per month of which like a single digit percentage actually goes to the creators so that's just some cents/pennies the creators get from you. You are a hypocrite if you think that you actually supports the industry. The only industry you support is the American streaming industry. And do you even buy merch for every series you ever pirated? Cause Crunchyroll is basically buying a bunch of merch for all the shows they stream. Which again costs a lot of money, not "pennies" Buying anything directly from Japan only ensures you are buying items that come directly from Japan and nothing more than that. Anyone who argues otherwise is just full of shit. Buying items online in general there is no real way to tell who is really profiting from the sales either. Also one doesn't have to "only" go to japan or Japanese online stores to get official merch. Most JP sites won't even take credit cards outside of their region nor let users even register for online stores if they don't specifically live within the region they are marketing to simply because they don't offer world wide shipping. If you do manage to find some site with world wide shipping, depending on where you live any individual package being shipped outside of Japan is either airfreight or ocean freight so shipping cost will almost always be around a 20USDs at minimum for a package that takes up no more than the size of 3 regular CD cases as well as the factor of the actual weight if one lives remotely far enough away from north East Asia. Unless there is something specific you really really want that you just can't find anywhere else, it's a really dumb practice to only buy things directly from Japan. Anime is no different than any other industry such as the automotive Industry. You can't simply go directly to the manufacture and legally buy a new car you have to go to a freaken dealership. |
ColourWheelJan 6, 2023 5:21 AM
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| Not that much of a rant against the legal streaming services but... Sometimes you want to watch a licensed anime but you litterally can not (I'm in Japan currently) so the two options I had were: either to buy a VPN to bypass the rules, or download it from an illegal site to bypass the rules. It's in rare cases but when you can not access the only legal source because of where you live/are in vacations I feel like people paying for it are scammed. Plus all this stuff you talked like the player options, the quality (I checked Netflix and was amazed to see that you can pay for ads + 720p I mean it's litterally scam to pay for ads right?) of life and stuff, sometimes I feel proud pirating some stuff and it should not be this way. |
| Man some of you seem really invested in how others watch tv. Seriously who cares? You're coming off as the poster children for angry nerds |
billybubJan 6, 2023 6:21 AM
| because theyre illegal, crunchyroll is a dogshit site thats controlled by a dogshit company |
| good opinions on anything, block = I own you |
| On one hand I understand you need to vent your first world problems. On the other hand, I don't think you need to be a dick with it. Everyone is perfectly fine with you not paying for your anime, so don't go around glorifying piracy as the most virtuous thing to do. Literally no one is going to be impressed with that and you can't convince us that stealing is morally good. Go ahead and vent your problems, but choose your words wisely because you ultimately look like an ungrateful and hypocritical dumbass right now. |
KaiserWilhelm_II said: Buy what product directly? Not everything people stream is a product that can be bought.Wouldn't you agree that subscribers of Youtube premium, spotify, Netflix, CR do it out of accessibility or lack of know-how about alternatives, rather than the wish for supporting some industry? Those who have this wish buy the product directly. |
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ateks said: You're not supporting the industry you're supporting specific shows then. An industry is an eco system, if only the absolute best things made any money ever there'd be no new talent as they wouldn't be able to make a living in the industry. like as much as I dislike @ColourWheel, he's blind buying shit, he's supporting the industry. You're not. If it's only copies and merch of things you like you probably would've bought them anyway. MadanielFL said: I honeslty find more annoying those who think they are superior for pirating, like I get it, you don't got money or don't wanna pay. But there's nothing superior from someone who doesn't support the industry over someone who does... Nobody feels superior for pirating, I feel superior for using a better service, not for paying less money. If 9anime had a paid subscription I would absolutely pay for it. Also I'm probably supporting the industry more than you do because I actually import official media and merch if I like an anime. Crunchyroll costs 10 bucks per month of which like a single digit percentage actually goes to the creators so that's just some cents/pennies the creators get from you. You are a hypocrite if you think that you actually supports the industry. The only industry you support is the American streaming industry. CR pays for their liscenses. They can do this because people pay them to use their service. Yes it is abstracted, yes the money changes hands a lot and only fractions are given to the people who worked on it. That's how the economy works. It's the same with the merch you buy. |
Curdiss said: ateks said: You're not supporting the industry you're supporting specific shows then. An industry is an eco system, if only the absolute best things made any money ever there'd be no new talent as they wouldn't be able to make a living in the industry. like as much as I dislike @ColourWheel, he's blind buying shit, he's supporting the industry. You're not. If it's only copies and merch of things you like you probably would've bought them anyway. Nobody feels superior for pirating, I feel superior for using a better service, not for paying less money. If 9anime had a paid subscription I would absolutely pay for it. Also I'm probably supporting the industry more than you do because I actually import official media and merch if I like an anime. Crunchyroll costs 10 bucks per month of which like a single digit percentage actually goes to the creators so that's just some cents/pennies the creators get from you. You are a hypocrite if you think that you actually supports the industry. The only industry you support is the American streaming industry. CR pays for their liscenses. They can do this because people pay them to use their service. Yes it is abstracted, yes the money changes hands a lot and only fractions are given to the people who worked on it. That's how the economy works. It's the same with the merch you buy. Lmao that's like saying you are a leech if you don't buy everything you see an advertisement for. |
katsucats said: The fundamental difference is that the people working on the products are artisans. Not doug, your local highschool drop out who, let us be clear, does not give a single shit about the Mcdouble he just handed you. Like I agree that people who get holier than thou about giving money to a company owned by sony are fucking annoying. But in an industry that makes art there's more to consider than just the absolute best products it ends up with. If only the things execs thought would make money off merch and physical sales got made. Would your favorite show even exist? Mine sure as hell wouldn't. And where would new talent hone their skills? I don't care if you pay for it or not but the idea that you don't benefit from the people who do is stupid. When the industry is doing well we all do well. Lol. I'll be the first to admit that I don't "support" any industry. Industries are businesses. They're in the business of selling anime products. To make money. Yes, to feed the families of the artists, but transfer money from your pocket to theirs. There's nothing moral about this proposition. There's no fundamental difference between the anime industry and the retail industry, like Best Buy or McDonald's. Or Exxon Mobile. It's therefore their goal to come up with a product that's good enough that makes me want to spend money on it. When they do that, I buy the blu-rays of the shows I like, and other people like me buy the figurines, etc. But anyone who goes out of their way to support any industry besides on something directly justified by the value they receive is just being swindled by corporatism. If you think getting all your anime in one site is convenient and it's worth it for you to pay for CrunchyRoll's service, then by all means. I don't judge you. But don't give me that moral spiel about "supporting the industry". |
Felori said: Sadly that is so true. The videoplayer on Crunchyroll is something else and you know, I want to watch it legally and pay for one streaming site, but the players on illegal sites do what they are supposed to. That's so odd to me. The reason I have a CR subscription is mostly because of their videoplayer. Maybe u still have the old classic site enabled? I remember cancelling my premium because the videoplayer was exactly as op described. But last year I could switch to the new layout which was in beta then but i think its completely out now. |
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ateks said: You are consuming the product. A show is not an advertisement, it is the product. You don't get refunds when you don't like a movie. You don't go to a restuarant, eat, and then decide whether or not to pay based on the quality of the meal. Curdiss said: You're not supporting the industry you're supporting specific shows then. An industry is an eco system, if only the absolute best things made any money ever there'd be no new talent as they wouldn't be able to make a living in the industry. like as much as I dislike @ColourWheel, he's blind buying shit, he's supporting the industry. You're not. If it's only copies and merch of things you like you probably would've bought them anyway. CR pays for their liscenses. They can do this because people pay them to use their service. Yes it is abstracted, yes the money changes hands a lot and only fractions are given to the people who worked on it. That's how the economy works. It's the same with the merch you buy. Lmao that's like saying you are a leech if you don't buy everything you see an advertisement for. I don't care if you're a leech or not. I am perfectly happy to pay for your meal especially if it's at no extra cost to me. But your patronage isn't actually supporting the resturant if you're not paying, even if you do buy a T-shirt with the restuarants logo on it from some shady guy in the parking lot. |
Curdiss said: ateks said: You are consuming the product. A show is not an advertisement, it is the product. You don't get refunds when you don't like a movie. You don't go to a restuarant, eat, and then decide whether or not to pay based on the quality of the meal. Lmao that's like saying you are a leech if you don't buy everything you see an advertisement for. I don't care if you're a leech or not. I am perfectly happy to pay for your meal especially if it's at no extra cost to me. But your patronage isn't actually supporting the resturant if you're not paying, even if you do buy a T-shirt with the restuarants logo on it from some shady guy in the parking lot. Most anime are just well-made advertisement for the manga or light novel. Believe me I'm supporting the anime industry way more than all you Crunchy shills. |
| People really still believe they're supporting the industry by paying for Crunchyshit lol. |
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ateks said: It doesn't matter what you personally think the intent behind the production is it still has it's own profit margins and liscensing and viewership are all part of that. You're taking a common statement that's said in regard to quality and trying to apply it to the economics of the industry because you're just repeating things you've seen other people say that you don't totally understand. Curdiss said: You are consuming the product. A show is not an advertisement, it is the product. You don't get refunds when you don't like a movie. You don't go to a restuarant, eat, and then decide whether or not to pay based on the quality of the meal. I don't care if you're a leech or not. I am perfectly happy to pay for your meal especially if it's at no extra cost to me. But your patronage isn't actually supporting the resturant if you're not paying, even if you do buy a T-shirt with the restuarants logo on it from some shady guy in the parking lot. Most anime are just well-made advertisement for the manga or light novel. Believe me I'm supporting the anime industry way more than all you Crunchy shills. Here's a hint: When people say "how much did they pay you to say that" they're just making fun of people who go to bat for large companies for no reason. But you genuinely think that CR or Sony is hiring people to get into fights in random forums. I've seen you try and justify the belief. Maybe you just got lost in your own irony but you sound like a fucking idiot. |
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