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Aug 18, 2022 3:14 PM

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Playcool said:
And it was, it was just that the final strike was less visualy impressive than the action scenes that lead prior to it.
That was my only problem with the fight. It was going so nicely and then the final blow (that should be the most spectacular) goes too quickly and with less quality compared to other scenes of the episode. Truly a pity, but, well, the rest was good.
Aug 18, 2022 3:18 PM
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yeah I felt like the fight was a lot of BS and some stuff seemed way too oportunistic

Also i ve never seen a character as useless as the mermaid. Why did they put her in the show? If she doesn t appear later this was a waste of time
Aug 18, 2022 3:30 PM

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Holy shit, the action scene was just incredible. Espically the beginning with Harefumi's spell but the ending could be better but it is what it is.


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Aug 18, 2022 3:44 PM
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Please people from the LN explain how Bell defeated the Green Moss. Once again they did a good job at omitting the explanation, only leaving you with a sense that he won by MC power. Ofc thats part of it, but man...}

Alternatively I could reread this LN volume.

Besides that it was a lovely episode, please do keep them coming :D
Aug 18, 2022 4:05 PM

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We're only five episodes in and this season is WAY better then the previous two seasons.
Huge W for informing us how the mind and body have to keep up with leveling in this world. Like that makes so much fucking sense

Granted I thought the Minotaur fights were action packed but this may have been Bells most developing fight in the series so far. This shit was powerful. When he cast firebolt on his damn sword I almost lost my mind.

I get chills every time I hear it.

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Aug 18, 2022 5:17 PM
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Bruh that fight was totes lit fam
Aug 18, 2022 5:24 PM

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Action was good but I just didnt feel anything. It also had big DBZ Broly "now the real fight begins" energy with that weak final shot. There was never a sense of danger as this show clearly established in earlier seasons it wont have any consequences, ever. So why pretend it does.
I said this in ep2 or 3 already and they did in fact once again get out of a supposedly difficult situation with 0 issues. Injured guys joining the fight? No consequences. Lili deciding not to run away, no consequences. (Not as if that even was a choice, she just continued to stand around)

Haruhime was supposed to get a new spell yet she still only provides a level boost and nothing else. Something which was build up as an important moment yet one which didnt change their situation at all. You have this long incantation, those flashbacks, that vivid animation. Only to .. do nothing really. They still lost to the monsters.

Aisha with a level boost should be stronger than bell but of course MC-kun needs to take the spotlight. Oh and get the next monster girl for his harem.

I was unironically rooting for the monster, atleast he doesnt come to your home to kill you like adventurers essentially do to the monsters. It was clearly the underdog as the story wont actually allow anything to happen to anyone.

If this was a game, I would skip the combat/leave it on autopilot. The main cast isnt ever going to lose anyway. Just download the 18+ mod and stop pretending Im here for the plot.
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Aug 18, 2022 5:59 PM
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Episode was fine. I liked fox girl's new spell. Ig once again Bell gets lucky because he doesnt need an incantation, damn that shit was long. the fight was fine but tbh disappointing. they didn't give the monster even one chance to use its craftiness, which was what made it so formidable to begin with. tfw Bell just fought one swarm of monsters and was able to take that monster alone as well. Wasn't very impressed they made that iguana-something monsters that were supposed to be unstoppable able to be cut down so fast. Really hope Bell doesn't level up from that fight. leveling up is supposedly hard, and with this dude is going have leveled up more than the number of seasons.
Aug 18, 2022 6:45 PM

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Pretty dope fight, that Moss Huge was really creepy in his second form but I feel like it became very dumb as well, the first form was way more clever.

Haruhime got a nice op spell.
Aug 18, 2022 7:27 PM
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Best eps of the show ever!
Aug 18, 2022 8:30 PM
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Err...so...
Bell is stronger than his own teammates combined?
That level and mind explanation of Mikoto and the others made sense but isnt Bell way too strong for a level 5, I mean there is Haruhime-enhanced Aisha too who is supposed to be equal to Bell if you do the math.
Are you sure Bell isn't level 7 or something? Oh well I guess plot armor saved the day again yaay


I'm worried about next episode since the team might go to the town next, which means Hestia scene, no god please no, I beg you no Hestia scene next episode.
...and so many still images used there in the fight, felt like I was watching slideshow rather than anime.



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Aug 18, 2022 9:46 PM

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Great episode, but did anyone else feel kinda miffed that all it took was Bell turning up and saving them all? I remember enjoying the first three seasons a lot but while the fights are good, this isn't doing that much for me. The fight was great up until the final blow, which felt really underwhelming, like it had no impact. My initial reaction was just "oh, that's it?". Also didn't someone say someone would die? I may be mixing it up with another show. Still, really good episode.
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Aug 18, 2022 10:17 PM
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Siegfried10 said:

It doesnt create plot holes, you just havent payed enough attention.

1- Back in Season 2, Aisha was still a level 3 and Bell didnt fought her with Level Boost, he waited until it ran out.

2- Bell isnt a normal Level 4. Thanks to Liaris Freese he can break the limit of stats and reach SS and SSS stats. When leveling up previous stats dont simply dissapear, they stack up with his current status. Because of the insane amount of stats he has accumulated in past levels, his current power output is already comparable to a top level 4, and speed comparable to a Level 5. This is why he could beat Hyakhintos as a Level 2 or fight against an injured Asterius as a Level 3.

3- Bell defeated the Moss Huge with Argo Vesta and i will have to remind you that Argonaut has always been broken as fuck. As a Level 2 he could damage the Level 5 Black Goliath with a full charge (and kill it with Limit Off) or instakill Level 2 monsters with low charges. As a Level 3 he could damage the Level 5 Lyd or force Level 4 Dix to break his curse so he could return to his Level 5 status and survive Argonaut. Since then Argonaut has grown stronger and Argo Vesta is even stronger than the regular one.

So yeah, there really arent plot holes as Bell is one of the rare few adventurers (and the only one alive right now) that can surpass the level barrier.


1- Actually Aisha was Level 4 and her status is locked at this level since Ishtar returned to Tenkai. I read the novel.

2- Another reason why power level is bullsh#t in Danmachi. How can I take seriously a series that doesn't take seriously its own power system.

3- My problem if this episode wasn't this moment, but everything that happened before that.

You read the novel? No you dont lol.

1- Aisha was a top Level 3 when she fought Bell in Volume 7. After Ishtar got Tenkaid she joined Hermes Familia and leveled up after soloing the dungeon for a while. This was also mentioned in the anime, signaling your lack of attention and poor attempt at lying. You havent read shit.

2- Argonaut isnt the only skill or ability that can be broken, since the very beginning of the series we were shown that some adventurers can have abilities that can allow them to fight or best stronger opponents. Ais with Ariel and her skill, Finn with Hell Finegas, Bete's magic, Welf and his magic sword forging skill. And Bell has been established as an anomaly since volume 1 with Liaris Freese and he defeated a Floor Boss 3 levels above his level in Volume 5. If you dont like it why are you still here?

3- You were speaking about how Bell beating the Moss Huge was a plot hole for rather incorrect reasons, which i already pointed out.

I dont really care if you like it or not, just corrected your incorrect statements.
Aug 18, 2022 11:18 PM
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I don't really see what was epic about this battle. Bell jumps around the monster and hits him with his dagger. It sounds like he is kicking an iron barrel. Monster can't care less, he just looks at him indifferently. Ho cuts, no regeneration, no blocking - nothing. Bell looks like a moron. Then he decides to use his ultra mega secret new spell he didn't use before because of reasons.

There were two asspulls in this episode - Haruhime's and Bell's. And both were completely unnecessary for the story. Does author think it is cool or something? It is the prime example of bad writing.

And Lili makes strategic decision "thank you for your noble sacrifice, but we are gonna die here and now anyway". That was amazing indeed. That's Leeroy Jenkins level of strategizing. That's why they pay strategists big bucks - to sacrifice people for no reason.

The whole expedition was a giant waste of time. One pointless forgettable battle after another. Fake drama with zero tension.

It is very difficult to make battle interesting. Characters hit each other until one of them dies. There is no logic behind it, it just happens for the sake of the story. If there are insurmountable odds MC will level up or pull a new amazing spell out of his ass or someone will help him or bad guy will slip on a banana peel. Levels are bullshit, abilities too. At least try to make the story around battles interesting. Battles are just expensive time fillers, they are not the story.
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Pretty dope fight, that Moss Huge was really creepy in his second form but I feel like it became very dumb as well, the first form was way more clever.

Haruhime got a nice op spell.
same reason as to why weaker homosapiens dominated the stronger ones.
Aug 18, 2022 11:59 PM
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This episode is amazing
Aug 19, 2022 2:51 AM
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Wow Haruhime's OP boost power on multiple of them at the same time, but it wasn't sufficient due to how strong and numerous are the monsters, but finally Bell is back for some great action with that final sword goddess attack to defeat the boss, that was great!!
Aug 19, 2022 4:57 AM

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I don't know. I just can't put up with the fact a full power level four is stronger than a mid level five.

I mean, even a weaker level 5 should be stronger than a full power level four, otherwise the entire levels thing would be bullsh#t.

The same reason Bell couldn't handle the moss huge before. Aisha is level 5 with the level boost, but since it's a temporary boost, you don't get enough time or practice to really use properly the supplementary stats. Speed is especially a boost that is barely used in that case. Strength and resistance for example are mostly fine, being used or not, you'll hit harder and you'll get less hurt when hit. But speed requires time, which bell had at his level 4, while Aisha doesn't. And Bell's speed stat at every level is through the roof. he probably has a speed stat about on par with level boosted Aisha. So assuming they're about the same, Aisha on one hand isn't used to it, while Bell got used to it.
Besides, Aisha wasn't doing too bad against that powered up monster either. She certainly was tankier and had more strength than Bell.
Aug 19, 2022 5:11 AM
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The same reason Bell couldn't handle the moss huge before. Aisha is level 5 with the level boost, but since it's a temporary boost, you don't get enough time or practice to really use properly the supplementary stats. Speed is especially a boost that is barely used in that case. Strength and resistance for example are mostly fine, being used or not, you'll hit harder and you'll get less hurt when hit. But speed requires time, which bell had at his level 4, while Aisha doesn't. And Bell's speed stat at every level is through the roof. he probably has a speed stat about on par with level boosted Aisha. So assuming they're about the same, Aisha on one hand isn't used to it, while Bell got used to it.
Besides, Aisha wasn't doing too bad against that powered up monster either. She certainly was tankier and had more strength than Bell.


So how Level Boost Bell defeated Aisha in season 2, since she was level 4 and Bell was level 3?
Aug 19, 2022 5:21 AM

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The same reason Bell couldn't handle the moss huge before. Aisha is level 5 with the level boost, but since it's a temporary boost, you don't get enough time or practice to really use properly the supplementary stats. Speed is especially a boost that is barely used in that case. Strength and resistance for example are mostly fine, being used or not, you'll hit harder and you'll get less hurt when hit. But speed requires time, which bell had at his level 4, while Aisha doesn't. And Bell's speed stat at every level is through the roof. he probably has a speed stat about on par with level boosted Aisha. So assuming they're about the same, Aisha on one hand isn't used to it, while Bell got used to it.
Besides, Aisha wasn't doing too bad against that powered up monster either. She certainly was tankier and had more strength than Bell.


So how Level Boost Bell defeated Aisha in season 2, since she was level 4 and Bell was level 3?

Bell didn't defeat Aisha with level boost. They both fought as level 3. Aisha only leveled up as 4 after joining the Hermes familia. Ishtar had ONE level 4 and one level 5. The level 4 was the man second in command.
Aug 19, 2022 5:21 AM

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Fantastic episode! This season being 2-cours is definitely helping a lot with the quality so far. If there's one thing that they have never disappointed us with though, it's definitely Bell's fights, they always fucking slap.

Really great Haruhime moment too, though that's definitely a last resort thing, cause I don't think she can do it like more than once in a day probably. Lily got some development as well, and developments are always welcome.

Moss Huge was a pretty good adversary, thing was a menace fr fr, especially when it smiled when Aisha realized what it was doing lmao.

Man, they almost died and they're only at the beginning area of the lower levels. I wonder what sort of other abominations they'll encounter when they go deeper, really looking forward to the next episode.
Aug 19, 2022 5:26 AM
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i shitted, pissed and cummed myself at the same time for the fight in this episode
Aug 19, 2022 5:34 AM
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Finally, JC Staff Improving in fighting quality. I hope this goes on and soon they'll not gonna be limited to Slice of Life Romance Comedy Animes. As for this episode, yeah it slaps and definitely an improvement. Hope this goes on till the end of the season.
Aug 19, 2022 7:19 AM
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pog champ episode argoooo ooo oo oov v veestst ata at atatata aat
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Finally, JC Staff Improving in fighting quality. I hope this goes on and soon they'll not gonna be limited to Slice of Life Romance Comedy Animes. As for this episode, yeah it slaps and definitely an improvement. Hope this goes on till the end of the season.

J.C always had this kind of level Animation. Just look How great Railgun T really is.
And J.C wasn't One of the Best studios of early 2000 for no reason.
They just didn't have a chance to showoff like this because they normally take at least 3 shows per season.
They have a very bad hobbit of accepting every requested projects.
But for this season, DanMachi is their only show.

Nah, This whole season is fully Action packed. A little bit Drama for flashbacks but no SoL.
Aug 19, 2022 9:50 AM

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Another bad episode, who cares this monster, who cares this characters. There isn'T depth to anything, there isn't anything interesting about world or characters. Who cares random mob they kill each episode which they wasted 5 episode on this. Why they even bothering adapting this trash?

Same plot for 4 seasons straight, now you understand why people dropped this show long ago.




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Aug 19, 2022 10:00 AM
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This episode had it all. Things are about to get real!
Aug 19, 2022 10:41 AM

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It was an ok episode, nothing out of the ordinary tbh. I wanted the mermaid girl to take part in taking down that huge monster, I mean, she does have to bear some significance to the story..?
Aug 19, 2022 11:20 AM
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nice animation, cool boss fight
Aug 19, 2022 11:52 AM
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I just thought that there could have been so much more done with that Bell should have arrived when they were still battling and fought it out with them when people fall one by one he still work his way through it and defeated the big boss as it was he came in and just made it look too easy other than that I really love the episode
Aug 19, 2022 1:28 PM
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Please people from the LN explain how Bell defeated the Green Moss. Once again they did a good job at omitting the explanation, only leaving you with a sense that he won by MC power. Ofc thats part of it, but man...}

Alternatively I could reread this LN volume.

Besides that it was a lovely episode, please do keep them coming :D


He learnt this skill:
Argo Vesta: Argo Vesta is Bell's new technique using Argonaut's dual charge that's named after Hestia. He first casts Firebolt on the Hestia Knife, then uses Argonaut on both of them to charge them at once, surrounding them with particles of light. Due to the skill, the magic envelops the blade and spreads out, making the blade as thick as a sword and as long as a short sword. The heat and brilliance increase the longer it's charged, making it give off a crimson light, and once he reaches the desired charge time, Bell slashes at his opponent. The power from the attack causes a bright flash of light and sends out both a heatwave and a shockwave.

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I just thought that there could have been so much more done with that Bell should have arrived when they were still battling and fought it out with them when people fall one by one he still work his way through it and defeated the big boss as it was he came in and just made it look too easy other than that I really love the episode

This is NOT the big boss, it might seem as such but this is a 22 eps season, the stakes will be much higher and way more DIRE, than this walk in the park, so just chill and enjoy the light warm up this was.
Aug 19, 2022 3:11 PM

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Good episode overall. Was interesting to see that Haruhime's power got buffed, expected her to get some ordinary magic spell, but it was way better like this. And what was that crazed last attack from Bell's side?! That monster got decimated out of the wazoo. It's remarkable to see just how strong Bell can get in a short amount of time, and him mentioning the Minotaur, back from the last fight of season 3, gave me chills. I'm hoping they continue like this.
Aug 19, 2022 4:11 PM
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They Just straight out ripped Avan Strash from Dragon quest lol. Cool episode and great season so far
Aug 19, 2022 4:16 PM
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Amazing fight between bell and the monster
just wonderful the animation and soundtrack
Aug 19, 2022 6:10 PM
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It was an ok episode, nothing out of the ordinary tbh. I wanted the mermaid girl to take part in taking down that huge monster, I mean, she does have to bear some significance to the story..?

Actually, She does (in Later Episodes)
This season will have 22 Episodes.
Aug 19, 2022 7:47 PM

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CGI worse than She-Hulk. Fights they just all stand around and let 1 person fight the big boss, then when they have an advantage they just stand there and let him recover. This thing couldn't be more crap if a pack of rabid monkeys took a dump on it.
Aug 19, 2022 11:13 PM

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Still really like Bell's progression. Mb some things are too exaggerated and sped up, but i think it's fine and J.C. doing great/good job this time.

Also really like that Bell if using the dagger Hestia gave him and his new dagger. I feel like always pointing it out, that Bell's not using his first dagger which supposed to be (as i saw it) super important for him and for audience is so strange. Mb it was for this very moment he levels/understands how to use it. Well in that case that was very long and "painful" build-up.

It was explained why they stood just watching him fight, but still doesn't really feel right. And the next thing just comes to mind, why does he even need all of them ... Mb the only thing to complain.
Also for this arc (don't know if it's done), how he just happened to meet a mermaid, who is just hiding from monsters, and there was basically nothing about her, so random. Mb more coming up.
Aug 20, 2022 4:30 AM

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purely awesome intense all action episode! nuff said!
5/5.


Aug 20, 2022 6:02 AM

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Tbh I hoped Lili would order a retreat. Sure, not the most shounenish move, but that'd add a nice, heavy feeling to this imo.
Final fight looked really great. I'm glad Bell fought with dagger, not some sword like in a few other big fights. Although that final hit felt a bit lackluster.
Aug 20, 2022 7:30 AM
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Still some PNGs moments but besides that what a banger it was. The ending fight was sooo cool. Really liking this season so far. Just curious about what will come next and if we're going to see Marie more
Aug 20, 2022 1:38 PM

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I'm glad JC Staff pulled out all the stops, the episode was very well animated.

I did not expect Bell to be stronger than level enhanced Aisha though
Aug 20, 2022 1:57 PM
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I was afraid this episode would put Bell's return at the end of the episode, I'm so glad it didn't. His return was triumphant and I loved every second of it.

It was great to see a characyer like Haruhime a chance to shine. It's too bad those who were level boosted didn't do much with it. Only Aisha was able to keep the moss monster at bay.

But the fight with Bell was just stunning. The choreography, music, sound design (which has been incredible for all 4 seasons, and animation were spectacular.

This episode has cemented this series as one of the best Fantasy series of the past 10 years. No one can change my mind on that.
Aug 20, 2022 2:15 PM
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Awesome episode; but the animation felt rushed or cheap this time around, like they definitely could have done better but chose not to and just get the scene over with. Both of his firebolts this episode seemed weak, the animation didn't show us the great power of his higher level, argonaut boosted, firebolt and slash like it did before.
Aug 20, 2022 4:46 PM

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Amazing!!! Bell is so strong, what a powerful fight
Aug 20, 2022 7:03 PM
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A nice climax and conclusion to the fight against a different monster... Peak animation and storytelling to Bell's and the team new power up.
Aug 20, 2022 9:43 PM
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Can someone translate what is "Shin Shou - Meikyuu-hen" meaning in english?
Aug 21, 2022 4:06 AM
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Loved the final battle with moss monster, animation was amazing !!
Aug 21, 2022 7:04 AM
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Epic battle and animation was well executed!
Aug 21, 2022 9:49 AM

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Ah yes.. Bell with his huge dick can easily one shot the Moss but Aisha a far trained and experienced Fighter with same level as Bell and boosted can't even scratch the Moss .

Danmachi never really had a well executed plot but holy shit..does it even shits on its own powerlevels just so everyone can sucky sucky Bell Genatalia..

God i hope the next arc gives us something besides the "Oh no! everyone is powerless! but wait! Bell will save the day again!"

a BS plot with BS characters.. (Aishaisnice..)
Aug 21, 2022 12:01 PM

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really glad that creepy ass moss huge got decimated. the fight sequence was really good.(idk why it reminded me of the fights in Fate by ufotable, but it was godly for jc staff level) cute marie making an appearance just made the episode better. solid episode overall, hope it continues like this.
Aug 21, 2022 6:37 PM

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What an episode! Finally, some good action with my man Bell Cranel.
But that was a great appearance, probably his best so far! But how he dealt with it was so badass, and that ending cast of the fireball into the knife, that was insane!
Can't wait to see what comes next.
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