| A loli is defined by looks not age. For example, Shinobu from Monogatari is a loli who is ancient. Loli is defined as a short petite body type with a very young looking face. Dizzy from Guilty Gear at one point was around 9 years old, but she does not have the body of a loli so she is not one. |
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| by appearance. if she looks like a loli, she's a loli. |
| I define them by age but of course there are also adult lolis |
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| by looks becuase we have 200 year old lolis in anime |
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| When did people took the loli joke seriously? Loli is defined by age, not by look. Loli has the physical feature of a child, a prepubescent body. It's not only about height or the shape of the face or whatever. If it's a child = loli. Not a child = not loli. The joke we did see in a lot of anime was when a character looked young, the other characters called them loli as a joke because they look like a loli. (without being one) |
| people do not look at a loli character that is hundred of years old and think "well obviously she can't be a loli, because she is actually 500 4head" Zakuro Mitsukai is 9 years old. Not a loli. Shinobu is 598. Definitely a loli. like I said in your last thread the only reason there is disagreement on this is because people put too much weight on the implications of lolis |
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| Surely by looks. A 400 yrs old girl can be a loli but at the same time a 16 yrs old girl can be a normal high school girl. |
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Those are valid exceptions because they were written to look drastically different from their actual age. Their look is an intentional paradox and it's obviously artificial or supernatural. |
| I might be wrong but I thought loli was literally defined by looking young, but being older. So a kid who looks like a loli wouldn't be a loli, because it's just a kid |
Hrybami said: Those are valid exceptions because they were written to look drastically different from their actual age. Their look is an intentional paradox and it's obviously artificial or supernatural. Yes, every fictional character ever created was written to be a certain way, but that doesn't change anything about what I said. They aren't even outliers, either. |
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_FRB_ said: Hrybami said: Those are valid exceptions because they were written to look drastically different from their actual age. Their look is an intentional paradox and it's obviously artificial or supernatural. Yes, every fictional character ever created was written to be a certain way, but that doesn't change anything about what I said. They aren't even outliers, either. I'd argue characters are supposed to look their age, unless it's voluntarily to have a paradoxical appearance. A loli is supposed to represent a child. Not the other way around. |
Hrybami said: Loli is defined by age, not by look. Loli has the physical feature of a child, a prepubescent body. It's not only about height or the shape of the face or whatever. "Loli is not about looks" proceeds to describe physical characteristics. |
| by looks. beako from rezero is straight up a loli and she's like 300 years old. |
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GreenPlatinum said: Hrybami said: Loli is defined by age, not by look. Loli has the physical feature of a child, a prepubescent body. It's not only about height or the shape of the face or whatever. "Loli is not about looks" proceeds to describe physical characteristics. Prepubescence include physical features. It's not about look. It's about the growth and the maturity of the body. Don't confuse small body with the body of a child. |
Hrybami said: _FRB_ said: Yes, every fictional character ever created was written to be a certain way, but that doesn't change anything about what I said. They aren't even outliers, either. I'd argue characters are supposed to look their age, unless it's voluntarily to have a paradoxical appearance. A loli is supposed to represent a child. Not the other way around. What you think a character is supposed to look like doesn't have bearing for how they actually look like. We have characters, that are lolis, that are not the age of a child. Loli based on looks. That's the crux of my entire argument on this, is that the anime community needs to catch up with how the words we use are actually used in the media we're deriving it from. |
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| height and looks ig? A friend and I had a bit of a discussion where he argued against Hestia being a loli and when I saw some scenes of Hestia and Liliruca together, I realized that Hestia is just short and she's also (personality-wise) different from your typical loli albeit she's just as sexualized as most of them |
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| I don't mind the ages i just look and define them by looks and height also. |
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spaesu said: Hrybami said: a loli is supposed to represent (the appearance of) a child, a character being a loli has no relevance to their age and their age has no relevance to them being a loli. if its a child it's a child no matter how it looks, i dont think its too hard to understand...I'd argue characters are supposed to look their age, unless it's voluntarily to have a paradoxical appearance. A loli is supposed to represent a child. Not the other way around. Loli is supposed to represent a child. Not just by appearance. That's where the confusion lie. And yes it's relevant to their age since the distinction between a child and a teen is a matter of puberty. |
_FRB_ said: Hrybami said: I'd argue characters are supposed to look their age, unless it's voluntarily to have a paradoxical appearance. A loli is supposed to represent a child. Not the other way around. What you think a character is supposed to look like doesn't have bearing for how they actually look like. We have characters, that are lolis, that are not the age of a child. Loli based on looks. That's the crux of my entire argument on this, is that the anime community needs to catch up with how the words we use are actually used in the media we're deriving it from. Your argument revolve around exceptions that were intentionally artificial. Your argument doesn't apply to the rule. |
| This learned discussion reminds me of a question that's been nagging me for ages, and that I haven't posted as a thread because there are limits to everything: Who is the tallest anime loli ever? |
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Hrybami said: _FRB_ said: What you think a character is supposed to look like doesn't have bearing for how they actually look like. We have characters, that are lolis, that are not the age of a child. Loli based on looks. That's the crux of my entire argument on this, is that the anime community needs to catch up with how the words we use are actually used in the media we're deriving it from. Your argument revolve around exceptions that were intentionally artificial. Your argument doesn't apply to the rule. Your point is based on nothing other than what you want it to be based on. Mine is based on the reality of the media we consume and the terminology in it. That is "the rule". Every character is artificial, made to be a certain way. Even the ones that are "normal" made to look their age, are artificial, made to be that way. As I said, my examples are not exceptions, there are many other characters that are created with the same exact premise. |
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Hrybami said: Prepubescence include physical features. It's not about look. It's about the growth and the maturity of the body. Don't confuse small body with the body of a child. Proceeds to describe looks again... |
| By look, all characters with a child-like appearance to me is a loli. Grandma, child, middle-aged, doesn't matter. |
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spaesu said: if not by appearance then what else? also, physical age isnt relavant to lolis because they always have the appearance of a child. Children doesn't just have the appearance of a child jeez. You don't become a child just because you look like a child. It's not complicated. |
_FRB_ said: Hrybami said: Your argument revolve around exceptions that were intentionally artificial. Your argument doesn't apply to the rule. Your point is based on nothing other than what you want it to be based on. Mine is based on the reality of the media we consume and the terminology in it. That is "the rule". Every character is artificial, made to be a certain way. Even the ones that are "normal" made to look their age, are artificial, made to be that way. As I said, my examples are not exceptions, there are many other characters that are created with the same exact premise. Your point isn't more than what you want it to be either. Just because people use the word incorrectly it won't becomes the correct way to use it. What do you not understand in 200 years old in a child's body is artificial? There's no representation like that in our world. Try to find a better example that fit with the rule next time. |
Hrybami said: _FRB_ said: Your point is based on nothing other than what you want it to be based on. Mine is based on the reality of the media we consume and the terminology in it. That is "the rule". Every character is artificial, made to be a certain way. Even the ones that are "normal" made to look their age, are artificial, made to be that way. As I said, my examples are not exceptions, there are many other characters that are created with the same exact premise. Your point isn't more than what you want it to be either. Just because people use the word incorrectly it won't becomes the correct way to use it. What do you not understand in 200 years old in a child's body is artificial? There's no representation like that in our world. Try to find a better example that fit with the rule next time. What do you not understand that every character is artificial? What does similarity to the real world have to do with a concept rooted in fiction? Just because people are incorrect doesn't mean they're incorrect??? You only seem to be doubling down for the sake of doubling down. |
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| Loli-If a character is around 500-700 years old but looks like a child,she's a loli.If she is an actual child,definitely not a Loli.For example,Hina from https://myanimelist.net/anime/41930/Kamisama_ni_Natta_Hi?q=The%20day%20I%20becam&cat=anime is a Loli. And any legitimate child with their correct age cannot be possibly be a loli. Episode_12 said: Most people consider both adults that look like children and actual children as lolis. However, I personally only consider the former. Actual children in anime should be called children, not loli. Sadly,people call any child "Loli" nowadays.The meaning of Loli has completely changed over the years. deg said: im gonna say i do not know so waiting for your educated replies Tatsumaki of One Punch Man looks like a child but she is an adult for example She doesn't look like a small childto me.She looks like your average teenager so she cannot be a loli. |
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| looks, because in the anime world it is perfectly logical for a 15-600 year old to inexplicably have the appearance of an 8 year old |
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| Obviously looks. But I love how people shit on people who like loli and call them literal pedophiles but everyone ignores that there are anime with high school girl(aka UNDERAGE) showing their tits. and most doujins I would wager, or a big amount, are of high school girls. So once you hit 14 looking, you are not a. Pedophile? |
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| I don't care enough about lolis to think too deep about it, so both I guess. |
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| Age is subjective. Look is, otherwise, objective. Therefore I indeed define a loli by her look. |
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| Both. If they are a child, they are a loli, though if they look like a child and are like 300 years old, yes they still are a loli. |
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Neimaj said: Well, by age of course. A loli is a child character in an anime. Going purely by appearances puts many petite women in a bad position. If you saw a woman or an anime girl who is short with small breasts and a high pitched voice, but she was an adult, would she be considered a loli? No, not at all. For your Tatsumaki example, she is not a loli because she's a grown ass woman. Is this satire or you happen to be completely wrong? |
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_FRB_ said: Hrybami said: Your point isn't more than what you want it to be either. Just because people use the word incorrectly it won't becomes the correct way to use it. What do you not understand in 200 years old in a child's body is artificial? There's no representation like that in our world. Try to find a better example that fit with the rule next time. What do you not understand that every character is artificial? What does similarity to the real world have to do with a concept rooted in fiction? Just because people are incorrect doesn't mean they're incorrect??? You only seem to be doubling down for the sake of doubling down. Congratulation. Loli doesn't mean anything anymore. |
| I use two factors Prepubescent age (if indicated which makes them automatic lolis). If age is passed that, then Appearance of said character RELATIVE to other characters in the same show i.e. if essentially "major" adults look minimally different and could pass off as the young characters, then I don't view them in a "loli" sense as I feel it's more a character design common theme that they're going for |
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| Definitely by look and not age. There are plenty of loli's that are way older that children. |
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| I would go by intend. If something is obviously supposed to look like a child then " muh muh she is 69000000 years old" doesn't really change anything. Lolis are cute and wholesome. No lewding |
1000 years old: I do not need to say anything more. |
certainly from appearance because not all children have bodies like loli even adults who have bodies and traits like loli in anime |
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| Loli is an appearance thing, age is irrelevant. It is the appearance of a prepubescent girl, given it is fiction they could be a million year old god and still be a loli. |
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