Attack on Titan
AoT fandom is full of hate and toxicity. People insulting each other and especially those who liked the ending. At least thats what it feels like. Reddit, twitter, discord, instagram i would say its 80:20 hating:liking. idk it feels weird and its making me sad seeing this fandom like that at the end of the journey. |
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| According to a poll I posted earlier this week, 25% of the fanbase believes that there is a very strong element of misinterpretation going on. From that, naturally, a lot of negativity will stem that has little to do with the chapter's writing. |
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Mikasa said: According to a poll I posted earlier this week, 25% of the fanbase believes that there is a very strong element of misinterpretation going on. From that, naturally, a lot of negativity will stem that has little to do with the chapter's writing. The poll you posted was a joke. You also even made a thread about full metal alchemist supporters sabotaging AoT , which i must say gave me a good chuckle. L0sMichal0s said: AoT fandom is full of hate and toxicity. People insulting each other and especially those who liked the ending. At least thats what it feels like. Reddit, twitter, discord, instagram i would say its 80:20 hating:liking. idk it feels weird and its making me sad seeing this fandom like that at the end of the journey. Toxicity is a given in 2021's internet, more so now that the ending was bad according to a sizable portion of the fanbase (as shown by the polls that actually offer the options for that, not like the one the weasel above posted). |
| Honestly, it is hard to say. The people who hate this chapter are loud. How loud is a question idk the answer to. But we need to take into account the casual readers, which is just about a lot of people. Seems like a split leaning towards 50/50 |
majinale said: Mikasa said: According to a poll I posted earlier this week, 25% of the fanbase believes that there is a very strong element of misinterpretation going on. From that, naturally, a lot of negativity will stem that has little to do with the chapter's writing. The poll you posted was a joke. You also even made a thread about full metal alchemist supporters sabotaging AoT , which i must say gave me a good chuckle. L0sMichal0s said: AoT fandom is full of hate and toxicity. People insulting each other and especially those who liked the ending. At least thats what it feels like. Reddit, twitter, discord, instagram i would say its 80:20 hating:liking. idk it feels weird and its making me sad seeing this fandom like that at the end of the journey. Toxicity is a given in 2021's internet, more so now that the ending was bad according to a sizable portion of the fanbase (as shown by the polls that actually offer the options for that, not like the one the weasel above posted). Actually it had a great turnout and the conversation was civil enough so I'm very pleased with its success. |
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Mikasa said: Actually it had a great turnout and the conversation was civil enough so I'm very pleased with its success. Good for you, but gaslighting is also part of the toxic behavior the opening post talks about. |
majinale said: Mikasa said: Actually it had a great turnout and the conversation was civil enough so I'm very pleased with its success. Good for you, but gaslighting is also part of the toxic behavior the opening post talks about. Sorry but I'm not interested in vending-machine buzzword arguments. Anyone can throw them. I'd be more inclined to discuss if what you present me is better thought out. |
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| Yes, it is overhated. The manga was always aimed at teenagers, and it got the ending catered to teenagers. No surprise. Idiots are those who deluded themselves into thinking otherwise and got disappointed. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Mikasa said: majinale said: Good for you, but gaslighting is also part of the toxic behavior the opening post talks about. Sorry but I'm not interested in vending-machine buzzword arguments. Anyone can throw them. I'd be more inclined to discuss if what you present me is better thought out. Which i might have done , had you provided a poll that didn't suggest you pick the "misunderstood option" , when the opinion is the opposite to your own |
majinale said: Mikasa said: Sorry but I'm not interested in vending-machine buzzword arguments. Anyone can throw them. I'd be more inclined to discuss if what you present me is better thought out. Which i might have done , had you provided a poll that didn't suggest you pick the "misunderstood option" , when the opinion is the opposite to your own Draw the conclusions you like if it makes this go down easier. No one can say I didn't give you a chance. Deathlydash said: Overhated is not a word It is now. Edit: actually it's in the dictionary lol |
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| Probably yes, I don't love it but it's nowhere near as bad as GoT ending. However, there must be a reason if all the toxicity is directed towards the rumbling arc, and not one person ever hated the Return to Shinganshina arc, for example. And no, AoT is not so deep that you need a high IQ to appreciate the most controversial arc. |
Nirinbo said: Probably yes, I don't love it but it's nowhere near as bad as GoT ending. However, there must be a reason if all the toxicity is directed towards the rumbling arc, and not one person ever hated the Return to Shinganshina arc, for example. Before chapter 139 the ratings were going steadily up. Also some trolls use virtue-signalling to make their statements seem more impartial. (I liked previous arcs but this particular one made them all bad and ruined everything.) "Nothing before the word but really counts." |
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| You CAN retroactively ruin a series. Good works of fiction can be experienced multiple times and recommended to others , so that new people can experience the work and continue discussing it , which preserves the legacy of the series. Nobody discusses, or even remembers game of thrones, which was the biggest show in the world. You can’t re-watch it, you can’t recommend it, Guess why. The same will happen for snk , sadly. |
| Yeah I mean really all it ruined was character everyone else was fine. Honestly I think rating this series a 1 or a low score if you had it at a high one is VERY over dramatic. |
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Mikasa said: Nirinbo said: Probably yes, I don't love it but it's nowhere near as bad as GoT ending. However, there must be a reason if all the toxicity is directed towards the rumbling arc, and not one person ever hated the Return to Shinganshina arc, for example. Before chapter 139 the ratings were going steadily up. Also some trolls use virtue-signalling to make their statements seem more impartial. (I liked previous arcs but this particular one made them all bad and ruined everything.) "Nothing before the word but really counts." Some people complained about the dip in quality (cringevengers, etc.) even before the last chapter, but yes the hate wasn't as strong as it is now. I disagree with "nothing before the word but really counts": the problem doesn't lie in the fact that the sentence comes after a "but", but in the sentence itself ("this particular arc made them all bad and ruined everything"). |
yaegerist-15 said: its underhated, and people who think the ending will age like wine are clowns lmao. 130 and 131 saved this arc, just to get butchered in the last 3 chapters. This ending deserves even more hate than the last 2 seasons of GoT What did you say about us?  |
WTTC2 said: hehehe not this type of clowns, I like youyaegerist-15 said: its underhated, and people who think the ending will age like wine are clowns lmao. 130 and 131 saved this arc, just to get butchered in the last 3 chapters. This ending deserves even more hate than the last 2 seasons of GoT What did you say about us? |
| Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
| I think it isn't that bad overall the last arc was really good but the writing definitely got a bit worse in the arc compared to other arcs |
| diehard and critic fans giving a serious critic and concern = hate. classic mal user-base right here. |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
| Nah, not really. There's plenty of the straight-up hate of course, but more of what I'm seeing is immeasurable disappointment and dismay lol. |
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| The ending was bad enough to turn half its fandom on itself and turned the whole manga into a meme globally so I would say the hate for the ending arc is more than justified. |
| It's so hated that it completely overshadows any possible praise that some may have for it so yeah, I suppose |
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| No, its over-loved. But that's expected for a big franchise like this who have tons of simple minded people who dont give a shit about the story itself, who will just suck up anything the author throws at them |
| Yes, it's over hated. Is it an amazing chapter? Not really. Is it bad? No. Could it be a lot better? Sure. But it's what we got, and I'm satisfied. |
| Yes. It's a mid ending for an otherwise 10/10 series. People wanted a kino masterpiece ending that would be studied in literature classes for hundreds and hundreds of years from now (at least)! A shonen manga got a shonen ending. That's it. Does it retcon or ruin the entire series? No, absolutely not lol. |
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| It's underhated lol, The whole fumbling arc was dogshit, even worse than that. I haven't seen GOT but this is the worst Ending to a series I have seen so far. Nothing even comes closer to AOT. The drop in quality is just crazy which culminated at the end. Imagine Light at the end saying he did this for Misa and because he wanted L, Near and his father to be hero for the world. I would have straight up dropped the rating to 1 for DN. For me the only saving grace AOT had is RTS arc. |
| I think it is over-hated, yeah. I've read many, many fantasy/sci fi novels and played many JRPGs in my lifetime and I've learned that when it comes to these epic adventure type of stories, the endings usually aren't all that great. I do think everything that happened after the time skip was kinda meh in comparison to what proceeded it but it's not that big of a deal. |
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| I don't think it is. It clearly undermined the journey pretty much if not completely for many. It takes a hell of an ending to do that. It's getting the recognition it deserves. It's unfortunately just not a good one lol. |
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L0sMichal0s said: Well, it was bound to happen, I see people defending the ending, most of them have watched AoT after S2 or S3 aired with their shitty takes, but the ones who watched it from 2013 even If they liked the ending they kept quiet knowing about its flaws and letting the ones who started watching AoT the same year hate it. Star wars and GoT fandom still shit upon the ending, so even after 2 years if the hate continues I wouldn't even be half surprised. After the Editor claimed it to be a romcom all along, it's getting more hate and it kinda deserves.AoT fandom is full of hate and toxicity. People insulting each other and especially those who liked the ending. At least thats what it feels like. Reddit, twitter, discord, instagram i would say its 80:20 hating:liking. idk it feels weird and its making me sad seeing this fandom like that at the end of the journey. |
| “You know, the only thing that matters is the ending. It's the most important part of the story, the ending.” -Johnny Depp - Mort Rainey | Secret Window (2004) And Attack on Titan failed miserably in doing so. Its fate will be the same as Game of Thrones. |
| @Neil1998 it represents that he was motivated by his instincts to pursue freedom. Sure, he didn't spell it out for us but we were supposed to interpret that from the visuals he had presented. does this look like a character who had convection a character who had a free will, determination, someone who's willing to push for freedom?  compare that simp to Lelouch, when the black knights knew of his identity and prepared to kill him, he didn't coward nor tried to defend himself, he accepted his fate and confronted the black knights with the truth Isayama once said his ideal character is someone who doesn't lie lying means the character changed his resolve, I like character who stays true to their personalities, yeah if Isayama kept Eren's evil character intact even in death I would have respected that, but instead Eren in death became an absoulte simp who's trying to win his friends love and acceptance really pathetic. Also Eren did accomplish a lot of things. He secured peace within his friends lifetime and saved his people from the curse of the Titans. Like I said before, eventhough the Titan powers returned, Ymir isn't there anymore to turn them into Monsters. he could have gone with Zeke's plan, he would have ended the titan curse, guaranteed a long life for his friends while also sparring the lives of countless millions of innocent lives around the world instead he went on with a trash plan killing 80% of the planet for absolutely nothing. I don't think Yams was trying to promote abuse and rape. Hell, this entire story happened because of her "love" towards The king. It was a product of Stockholm Syndrome in the latest guidebook release, Isayama never mentioned Stockholm syndrome, he indeed doubled down on Ymir's relationship with Fritz as true love and said that the children were proof of the bond between them, this and EM and Historia and the farmer pretty much glorifies rape and abuse, he should go to jail for his trash writing. I personally think it happened after he made contact with Zeke. nah he received the memories after he kissed Historia's hand in the ceremony yeah Eren was indeed lying to Reiner when he blamed him for his mother's death saying (Why My mom died that day Reiner) peak hypocrisy 🤡🤡🤡🤡. It should have been better developed and given more hints.) EM relationship coming out of nowhere isn't the only problem with the ending, Mikasa's character itself has no development but Ereh that's it, she doesn't care about her people nor her responsibility she's a pathetic character and I can't respect a character like that. |
JosephSaber40Jul 5, 2021 11:44 AM
JosephSaber40 said: @Neil1998 it represents that he was motivated by his instincts to pursue freedom. Sure, he didn't spell it out for us but we were supposed to interpret that from the visuals he had presented. does this look like a character who had convection a character who had a free will, determination, someone who's willing to push for freedom? compare that simp to Lelouch, when the black knights knew of his identity and prepared to kill him, he didn't coward nor tried to defend himself, he accepted his fate and confronted the black knights with the truth Isayama once said his ideal character is someone who doesn't lie lying means the character changed his resolve, I like character who stays true to their personalities, yeah if Isayama kept Eren's evil character intact even in death I would have respected that, but instead Eren in death became an absoulte simp who's trying to win his friends love and acceptance really pathetic. Also Eren did accomplish a lot of things. He secured peace within his friends lifetime and saved his people from the curse of the Titans. Like I said before, eventhough the Titan powers returned, Ymir isn't there anymore to turn them into Monsters. he could have gone with Zeke's plan, he would have ended the titan curse, guaranteed a long life for his friends while also sparring the lives of countless millions of innocent lives around the world instead he went on with a trash plan killing 80% of the planet for absolutely nothing. I don't think Yams was trying to promote abuse and rape. Hell, this entire story happened because of her "love" towards The king. It was a product of Stockholm Syndrome in the latest guidebook release, Isayama never mentioned Stockholm syndrome, he indeed doubled down on Ymir's relationship with Fritz as true love and said that the children were proof of the bond between them, this and EM and Historia and the farmer pretty much glorifies rape and abuse, he should go to jail for his trash writing. I personally think it happened after he made contact with Zeke. nah he received the memories after he kissed Historia's hand in the ceremony yeah Eren was indeed lying to Reiner when he blamed him for his mother's death saying (Why My mom died that day Reiner) peak hypocrisy 🤡🤡🤡🤡. It should have been better developed and given more hints.) EM relationship coming out of nowhere isn't the only problem with the ending, Mikasa's character itself has no development but Ereh that's it, she doesn't care about her people nor her responsibility she's a pathetic character and I can't respect a character like that. The entire situation with the black Knights is completely different from AOT though. And we have seen several moments where Lelouch opens up about his failures to the ones closest around him. Eren did the same with his best friend even if it was a bit cringe. Also we never really knew what Eren's plan was untill the final chapter so we can't really say that his resolved changed as this was supposed to be his goal from the start. Sure he lied to everyone but are you telling me Lelouch never lied to the ones closest to him to hide his motives? Here's the thing about Zeke's plan: let's forgot for the moment that his whole plans stems from just pure self hatred and nihilism, the problem with Zeke's plan is that it isn't really a solution but rather just bending over and virtually giving up on the future. Eren as a character would have never gone along with that as he is someone who fights and pushes forward and going along with Zeke's plan would be the equivalent of him losing all hope and giving up on the future. Simply put, Eren is the Attack Titan who marches forward to achieve freedom which to him came in the form of his people being freed of the curse. That would not have happened if he went along with Zeke. Plus not to mention, Ymir would have been stuck in Paths for eternity. Regarding the whole guidebook thing, there is nothing there that really indicates Ymir's love for the king was genuine or not. The guidebook said that the kids were proof of Ymir's bond with The king and not vice versa. I am sure she believed that it was true love but if that really was the case then why the hell did she wanted to be free of it in the first place? (Also do you have a link to the entire translated version of the guidebook? I have been lookiy everywhere for it. Again, like I said before even if Eren already had the knowledge that he would be responsible for his mother's death (which I still think happened when he entered Paths and got control of the Founding Titan. I don't think he saw every miniscule detail that happened after touching Historia's hand.), It still doesn't change the fact that whole point of that scene wasn't actually to blame Reiner but rather to tell him that he doesn't blame him for what happened as he's about to do the exact same thing. He understands the enemy and he knows that they are just human beings much like the people on the island. But he still kept moving forward not out of hatred but of pure necessity. Lastly, I would have agreed with your stance on Mikasa being a wasted character but I do think she has developed a decent bit but just not as much as I could have hoped. But if Mikasa was still the same One Dimensional character that she was in the early seasons, then she would have undoubtedly joined Eren and went along with his plans but instead she opposed him and even killed him because she realised that there are more important things at stake than Eren. |
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