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Oct 29, 2020 8:46 PM

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OP is framing it all in such a negative way, as if everyone has a superiority complex. The terms over and underrated can come from a very good place. With the goal in mind of giving something you enjoyed more exposure, potentially saving others from a bad experience, or helping to give more realistic expectations. Often the intentions are good.
Oct 29, 2020 8:49 PM

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If something is in the good position it is, it's doing atleast something right.
I have heard so many people call x series overrated just because, and it's kinda annoying.

I can understand if something is underrated, because bit might be, due to lack of marketing or attention given to it. But overrated excuse makes the person come off as stupid.

Anime was it's best 20000 years ago, when cavemen drew art with real depth.
Modern anime is all garbage. I miss great old days of anime.
Oct 29, 2020 8:55 PM

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I don't really get it either. If a show like HXH was underrated, their opinion would immediately change and they would go and say that HXH is underrated and is the best anime ever. People really only use overrated to differentiate themselves from the more mainstream.
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Oct 29, 2020 9:05 PM

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i guess you are right but some anime are overrated. free, soul eater,boku no hero academia... etc.

Oct 29, 2020 9:08 PM

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Overrated is just a term people use when they're pissed that their favorite series didn't receive as much praise.

Side note: I don't fully trust "actual critics" when it comes to entertainment either. They can be just as prone to personal bias as anyone else. I mean, they're only human.
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Exactly the message I scream from the deepest of my heart. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I mean, something might be over-highlighted due to some reasons. Also some might be over-shadowed. Bt overrated and underrated are not possible. Saying an anime overrated or underrated implies that you are deciding the number of audiences who are allowed to like that anime. BULLSHIT


Oct 29, 2020 9:28 PM

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katsucats said:
While overrated is not criticism, it is just demonstrably false that no one could ever like a show less than popular opinion. Everyone out there has a show that's overrated for them. What's the problem? So if someone asserts, and questions why everyone else seems to like a show they didn't like, they're automatically stupid? Because they dared go against the grain?

Sounds like someone here is trying too hard to fit in.

Arin-san said:
"Oh you like Death Note? Bruhh that's overrated. You like Attack on Titan? Hella overrated. You like Kimi no Na wa? Bruh that shit was overrated af. You like Naruto? Overrated piece of crap. You like Erased? Dude... that's overrated. You like Demon Slayer? .... Overrated. You like Toradora? No man that was overrated fr." it goes on and on and on and on. Anything that you like and is a little popular = Overrated.

I couldn't escape this word even when it comes to movies.
"You like The Godfather? Bruh that's overrated. You like The Dark Knight? C'mon man that's overrated"
Just... fuck.. off
So in other words, you're so insecure that when someone else is expressing their opinions, you feel attacked, and you feel that their opinions are objectified by mere virtue of their expression.

Someone expresses, "My opinion is this."

Arin-san: "You're not a critic! Your opinion isn't objective!! You're stupid for even using the word 'opinion'!!"

That's what it sounds like to me.

Oh-ho? Unable to differentiate between an opinion and a criticism? Try something better to come at me, these words like "Insecure" are overused, its not working.

Someone says, "Criticisms and opinions are different"

MAL users who aren't able to properly criticize something: "How dare you! It's MY opinion! Subjective subjective goo goo gaa gaa"

That's what it sounds like to me.




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Oct 29, 2020 9:33 PM

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Arin-san said:
katsucats said:
While overrated is not criticism, it is just demonstrably false that no one could ever like a show less than popular opinion. Everyone out there has a show that's overrated for them. What's the problem? So if someone asserts, and questions why everyone else seems to like a show they didn't like, they're automatically stupid? Because they dared go against the grain?

Sounds like someone here is trying too hard to fit in.

So in other words, you're so insecure that when someone else is expressing their opinions, you feel attacked, and you feel that their opinions are objectified by mere virtue of their expression.

Someone expresses, "My opinion is this."

Arin-san: "You're not a critic! Your opinion isn't objective!! You're stupid for even using the word 'opinion'!!"

That's what it sounds like to me.

Oh-ho? Unable to differentiate between an opinion and a criticism? Try something better to come at me, these words like "Insecure" are overused, its not working.

Someone says, "Criticisms and opinions are different"

MAL users who aren't able to properly criticize something: "How dare you! It's MY opinion! Subjective subjective goo goo gaa gaa"

That's what it sounds like to me.
An criticism is an opinion. LOL

I don't know where MAL finds these people sometimes.
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Playay said:
It's weird to think that such an idea of a particular show being criticized and there are actually people that criticize the criticism of that show, which leds to an endless loop of exchanging opinion and slowly fading to a cyberfight. And the term of overrated is really becoming a taboo word now.


This thread is overrated, if i don't really make the differences between opinions and criticism more clearer. I mean, it has exchanging opinions, it fades to a cyberfight, what again? Stop debating, about something that actually doesn't exist, it's useless but encouraging your mental state.
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katsucats said:
Arin-san said:

Oh-ho? Unable to differentiate between an opinion and a criticism? Try something better to come at me, these words like "Insecure" are overused, its not working.

Someone says, "Criticisms and opinions are different"

MAL users who aren't able to properly criticize something: "How dare you! It's MY opinion! Subjective subjective goo goo gaa gaa"

That's what it sounds like to me.
An criticism is an opinion. LOL

I don't know where MAL finds these people sometimes.

So people who think a criticism and an opinion is the same exist? Good to know, and I thought people were getting smarter. Good to know...




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Arin-san said:
katsucats said:
An criticism is an opinion. LOL

I don't know where MAL finds these people sometimes.

So people who think a criticism and an opinion is the same exist? Good to know, and I thought people were getting smarter. Good to know...
So you think when someone expresses something they don't like about a show, it's a fact? Never mind. I'm not going to get myself banned but I can barely contain my pity.
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Oct 29, 2020 10:20 PM

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Lord_Tachanka21 said:
I think calling a show overrated is still a legitimate opinion when recency bias overcome some of us, then after some time, realize what we saw wasn't really as good as we thought. There are also some shows where fans just overanalyze things and think it's a philosophy and an accurate portrayal of reality when a lot of willing suspension of disbelief is needed for it to make sense. If people believe those shows are overrated for those reasons, then I think we can accept that opinion regardless if we like it or not.

That's not what overrated means... Overrated means that you didn't like something that a lot of people did like.

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Overrated isn't a criticism, but you can certainly say that some work is overrated if you can prove the show has a considerable amount of flaws that deeply hurt the quality of it, and show that most arguments defending that work are weak. Concluding that the work is overrated after that is only natural and it is what I've been doing to KnY, and I'm not scared of calling it overrated.

Why can't you accept that not everyone watches anime for the same reason and everyone shouldn't? We all get it, KnY has plenty of intellectual flaws that only big brains like you can find out, but none of us look that hard into it. KnY is an enjoyable anime, to some it's very enjoyable. You have no right to make the call for people and tell them what they should and shouldn't like. If a person decides to give KnY a 10 solely based on their enjoyment, how and why do you want to change that? You can make valid criticisms by pointing out flaws and getting people to understand that flaws exist, then it's up to that person whether their view on that anime is changed or is the same. When you say "X is overrated" you're trying to decide what people should and shouldn't like.

@DBZisUnderrated Dude, everything that is popular is overrated, part of the reason why I'm that annoyed. Literally everything is overrated. Endgame, Infinity War, The Godfather, literally any fucking Christopher Nolan films, everything is overrated my dude.

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Overrated simply means highly rated that you didn't like. Taken individually, it is 100% subjective, but at the same time there must be a reason if some anime pop up more frequently whenever there's a thread about the most overrated anime.

It's not just a matter of more popularity = more haters, because One Punch Man is called overrated much less than Code Geass or Shigatsu, even if those anime have less members and a higher mean score. I can't provide a statistical analysis, but have a look at the "most overrated/underrated thread" if you don't believe me. For the record, I didn't like any of these anime, I'm just trying to make a point.

Can you explain this without using the term "overrated"?

You are underestimating Code Geass's popularity. The thing is, the reason why so many people bother to call Code Geass and Shigatsu overrated is because both of them are really well written anime, often showered with praises, loved by tons of people, basically they qualify for everything an anime needs to be called "Overrated". Meanwhile, One Punch Man is ranked as #60 (Compared to Code Geass on #17 and Shigatsu on #28). A very few amount of people actually call One Punch Man the best anime of all time, meanwhile Code Geass and Shigatsu often get called that. One Punch Man is a parody anime and only a handful of people care about the writing etc. on OPM, they only watch it for enjoyment and basically haters can't complain about that. Even after that some people will still say that OPM is overrated.

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OP is framing it all in such a negative way, as if everyone has a superiority complex. The terms over and underrated can come from a very good place. With the goal in mind of giving something you enjoyed more exposure, potentially saving others from a bad experience, or helping to give more realistic expectations. Often the intentions are good.

Your logic is so flawed, I don't even know what to say. "Often the intentions are good" oh boy, you don't know anything. So how about this, let's all stop watching anime! Since every anime nowadays is called overrated, and like you said that often everyone's intentions are good, so they must be trying to save us from a bad experience right?! Yes! That must be it!




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Oct 29, 2020 10:22 PM

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katsucats said:
Arin-san said:

So people who think a criticism and an opinion is the same exist? Good to know, and I thought people were getting smarter. Good to know...
So you think when someone expresses something they don't like about a show, it's a fact? Never mind. I'm not going to get myself banned but I can barely contain my pity.

So you think when someone says "I don't like this and I think the people that do like this also shouldn't like this", it's an opinion? Never mind. I'm not going to pointlessly argue with someone who suffers to differentiate between opinions and criticisms.




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Oct 29, 2020 10:34 PM

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@Arin-san

If that's what "overrated" means to you, then no wonder you're so frustrated about the word.
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Arin-san said:
Lord_Tachanka21 said:
I think calling a show overrated is still a legitimate opinion when recency bias overcome some of us, then after some time, realize what we saw wasn't really as good as we thought. There are also some shows where fans just overanalyze things and think it's a philosophy and an accurate portrayal of reality when a lot of willing suspension of disbelief is needed for it to make sense. If people believe those shows are overrated for those reasons, then I think we can accept that opinion regardless if we like it or not.

That's not what overrated means... Overrated means that you didn't like something that a lot of people did like.

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Overrated isn't a criticism, but you can certainly say that some work is overrated if you can prove the show has a considerable amount of flaws that deeply hurt the quality of it, and show that most arguments defending that work are weak. Concluding that the work is overrated after that is only natural and it is what I've been doing to KnY, and I'm not scared of calling it overrated.

Why can't you accept that not everyone watches anime for the same reason and everyone shouldn't? We all get it, KnY has plenty of intellectual flaws that only big brains like you can find out, but none of us look that hard into it. KnY is an enjoyable anime, to some it's very enjoyable. You have no right to make the call for people and tell them what they should and shouldn't like. If a person decides to give KnY a 10 solely based on their enjoyment, how and why do you want to change that? You can make valid criticisms by pointing out flaws and getting people to understand that flaws exist, then it's up to that person whether their view on that anime is changed or is the same. When you say "X is overrated" you're trying to decide what people should and shouldn't like.

@DBZisUnderrated Dude, everything that is popular is overrated, part of the reason why I'm that annoyed. Literally everything is overrated. Endgame, Infinity War, The Godfather, literally any fucking Christopher Nolan films, everything is overrated my dude.

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Overrated simply means highly rated that you didn't like. Taken individually, it is 100% subjective, but at the same time there must be a reason if some anime pop up more frequently whenever there's a thread about the most overrated anime.

It's not just a matter of more popularity = more haters, because One Punch Man is called overrated much less than Code Geass or Shigatsu, even if those anime have less members and a higher mean score. I can't provide a statistical analysis, but have a look at the "most overrated/underrated thread" if you don't believe me. For the record, I didn't like any of these anime, I'm just trying to make a point.

Can you explain this without using the term "overrated"?

You are underestimating Code Geass's popularity. The thing is, the reason why so many people bother to call Code Geass and Shigatsu overrated is because both of them are really well written anime, often showered with praises, loved by tons of people, basically they qualify for everything an anime needs to be called "Overrated". Meanwhile, One Punch Man is ranked as #60 (Compared to Code Geass on #17 and Shigatsu on #28). A very few amount of people actually call One Punch Man the best anime of all time, meanwhile Code Geass and Shigatsu often get called that. One Punch Man is a parody anime and only a handful of people care about the writing etc. on OPM, they only watch it for enjoyment and basically haters can't complain about that. Even after that some people will still say that OPM is overrated.

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OP is framing it all in such a negative way, as if everyone has a superiority complex. The terms over and underrated can come from a very good place. With the goal in mind of giving something you enjoyed more exposure, potentially saving others from a bad experience, or helping to give more realistic expectations. Often the intentions are good.

Your logic is so flawed, I don't even know what to say. "Often the intentions are good" oh boy, you don't know anything. So how about this, let's all stop watching anime! Since every anime nowadays is called overrated, and like you said that often everyone's intentions are good, so they must be trying to save us from a bad experience right?! Yes! That must be it!


At the end of the day, yeah, the most popular things are called overrated by somebody. But you didn't answer my earlier question if somebody puts something like.. I don't know, let's say Naruto filler over a movie like the Dark Knight, you would say they would be overrating Naruto filler, right?
Oct 29, 2020 10:43 PM

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Lmao OP acting like "overrated" is the only term people use when criticizing something. For the most part, the "overrated" opinion is an auxiliary to someone's own argument, not the core facet of what they are saying. If someone says something is overrated without justifying their claim, just don't listen to them (because they didn't provide an actual argument). Surely, if you've used the internet for more than a day, you should be able to deal with differing opinions that you may find unreasonable. However, from what you've been posting on this thread, I sense that this may not exactly be what irks you.

And actually, please stop the pseudo-logic posturing. Sure, by society's standards, some people may seem to have a more "valid" opinion on things than others, whether that be in art, politics, literature, etc. However, at the end of the day, it is still up to each individual to determine for themselves the validity of these opinions. Simply because these beliefs and ideas come from someone who you might believe to be valid, you have no right to decide whether or not my judgement of said person's opinion is "right". And if I were to disagree, my opinion doesn't magically become moot because I don't agree with a "professional". If we were to agree with your presented argument, the Oscars would always reward the best movies, and the Grammys would always reward the best and most deserving artists (which doesn't happen).

Again, what I'm saying lines up, funnily enough, with your signature :
"Kimi no Na wa has 15 award wins and 25 nominations. Koe no Katachi... what does it have? Booly story uwu soo sad uwu"
In order to validate your own opinion, you lean back on the supposedly more "right" opinions of these awards in order to negate dissenting opinions. You're saying "If you disagree with me, you disagree with all these critics and people who said it was good. Of course your opinion has no credibility in light of these other "better" opinions, so by default, you're wrong. Haha", which in itself, uses the same type of lazy argument that you claim so much to hate (of course, when its used by other people).

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Just... fuck.. off


The only reason I even bother to mention critics and awards and all that jazz is because of all the obnoxious people who keep using "Overrated" as a criticism. No matter how much I try to make them understand something, they will completely ignore everything and keep repeating themselves like a broken record with only one thing to say, "B-but it's overrated!"

And you possibly think that critics and award shows for animation, movies and music are all the same. They aren't. I know that Grammys doesn't always reward the talented ones, but its not like they never reward artists with actual talent. It's just that Grammys are more corrupt. Same thing goes for Oscars, Parasite's Oscar win was definitely deserved, they 100% deserved it and it was the right call. Oscars are corrupt but not as much as Grammys.

And yes, I do think that a professional critic's opinion on literary is more valuable than other's opinion. A professional critic says "That book is bad" but you say "That book is good" obviously I'll lean onto the critic's opinion more, there's a reason why they get paid for that. If everyone's opinion had the same value, then everyone should've been a critic, no?




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I don't really think people use "overrated" as a criticism. They mainly use it when they make a claim or state their opinions.

I'd never tell someone I hate their show because it's overrated. That's pretty stupid. instead, I'd tell them that I think their show is overrated.
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@DBZisUnderrated No I wouldn't call that "overrating it". If someone decides that they enjoy a filler from Naruto more than the movie The Dark Knight, then I have no problem with that. Cause at the end of the day, what matters is our enjoyment, if someone enjoys a Naruto filler more than The Dark Knight, then I'm completely fine with it. I wouldn't call that overrating it at all. You know how popular The Dark Knight is, some imagine if someone who likes Naruto filler says "No! Why do people like The Dark Knight? It's so overrated, people should like Naruto fillers more" yeah that is the perfect example of the term "Overrated".

@Lord_Tachanka21 It's not only what it means to me, buddy. It's what it means to everybody. Almost everybody uses the word same. And trust me, I know.




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Arin-san said:


"Some fiction gets more attention/praise than it deserves and some get less"
And who decides which fiction DESERVES more praise and which one one doesn't? Jesus? Trump? Obama? Who? You? You who?

that's where subjectivity comes in , it would be your opinion if you think it is rated higher than it should be , overrated and underrated are no doubt not right to use in actual criticism but the concept is simple - you think that a "X" anime is not good and it has a higher rating than you would actually think it should get then for you it would be overrated but many a times the way people use it implies it to be objective and that is wrong
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@DBZisUnderrated No I wouldn't call that "overrating it". If someone decides that they enjoy a filler from Naruto more than the movie The Dark Knight, then I have no problem with that. Cause at the end of the day, what matters is our enjoyment, if someone enjoys a Naruto filler more than The Dark Knight, then I'm completely fine with it. I wouldn't call that overrating it at all. You know how popular The Dark Knight is, some imagine if someone who likes Naruto filler says "No! Why do people like The Dark Knight? It's so overrated, people should like Naruto fillers more" yeah that is the perfect example of the term "Overrated".

@Lord_Tachanka21 It's not only what it means to me, buddy. It's what it means to everybody. Almost everybody uses the word same. And trust me, I know.


Completely ignoring popularity, I'm speaking on terms of writing now. To me, if somebody said Naruto filler or Bleach filler is better than the Dark Knight, I'd call it overrating it. The Dark Knight beats Naruto and Bleach filler in terms of writing ten times over, or ok a better comparison would be Dragon Ball Z to Dragon Ball Super, and Naruto to Boruto. We all know DBZ and Naruto beat DBS and Boruto, so somebody saying DBS is better than DBZ or Boruto is better than Naruto would be overrating it, because their personal preference is blinding them from the fact that in terms of writing, the other series is much better. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Some series just lack the writing, the character development, the character motivation, the world building, etc. and that's ok. Yes, people are entitled to their own opinion, yes, sometimes people wrongly deem a series overrated but let's not dismiss that there are some overrated anime out there.

TD;LR: DBZ will always be better than a series like DBS, and saying DBS is better than DBZ is overrating DBS because it just doesn't have the writing to be put above DBZ, therefore it is overrated. Some series lack good writing and still become extremely popular, it's ok to like what you like, some people wrongly call a series overrated, but it doesn't mean there's no such thing as overrated anime.
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I can sense you're a battered your name fan, that's why you made this thread. Don't worry, every Your Name fan goes through this phase where he tries to speak about his appreciation for the movie and gets shot down by a mob of pretentious sneeds spamming overrated till he gives up. It's like a rite of passage for us.
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If he/she says x anime is overrated then gives a valid reasons as to why that anime is overrated then Overrated term really exists.He/she thinks that anime does not deserve to get this much praise and if that person says that x anime is overrated but does not say why then that person is a complete idiot.

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Firstly (and importantly), whether or not something is "overrated" is an opinion. An opinion is a judgement or belief you have about something, and criticisms are opinions. Things like "the animation is ugly" or "dragon ball characters die too much" are criticisms, but since they aren't really substantiated, it's accurate to say that they're not productive criticisms, not to say that they're not criticisms. You can even criticize something if you have no idea what you're talking about, it'll probably just be pretty useless.

When people try to say something is bad by saying it's overrated, they're just using the word incorrectly. Overrated means something is praised too much or thought of too highly, which is kind of just commenting on that are outside of the actual thing you're referring to, so in a way, something being "overrated" in a literal sense, isn't a criticism. It's like saying "this thing isn't good because it's not as good as people say." The only way it can be considered is if someone tries to critique the thing they're talking about by saying that too many people liking it/thinking it's good is a reason why it's bad.. and I mean, that doesn't even really make sense to me.

Usually when people say "I didn't like this, it was overrated." I always take it one of two ways: Either they didn't like the thing, and that the thing they're talking about is rated too highly, not that they're saying that because so many people liked it, they thought it was bad. Or They're saying it was overhyped. Because so many people liked this thing, they had really high expectations that weren't met.
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You don't even have to go into the semantics of opinion and criticism really. The argument of overrating in anime is flawed because overrated means the work is rated higher than what it should be, but that raises the question then; what ""should"" it be? Now, you'll only understand this if you're among the sensible folks with common sense who realize that there is no objectivity in the quality of art media like anime. Since there is no objectivity, then there is no rating that the anime "should" have, and that makes the term pretty void, because then the only rating that you're implying it "should" have is what you gave it yourself, which is quite farcical tbh.
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Arin-san said:
Overrated is right behind "pretentious" in my list of worst criticisms. When people say that something is overrated, what they're really saying is that they're upset by people finding some sort of enjoyment in a medium designed mainly to - you guessed it, provide enjoyment. It's a really shallow criticism and kind of nasty in its intent.
TL;DR When someone says something is overrated that means they didn't like it but a lot of people do.

The moment you use the term "Overrated", you lose the argument. I don't think it can even be considered as a criticism. Criticism implies a thoughtful comment on the artifact, not whether you liked it or not (criticism should be how you liked it or not).

Just because YOU didn't like Demon Slayer but a thousand other did doesn't make it overrated. When will people learn that they are not critics. You are not a critic. Your opinion is as good as some random person's opinion, and it will stay that way unless you have some sort of credibility like actual certified critics. I don't understand how the mind of a person who unironically uses the term "Overrated" works.. Underrated is equally worse. Both terms basically boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like!" only said with bigger words and shit.

Stop using the term overrated, it makes you look like a tryhard wannabe critic who ran out of valid criticisms.

Edit: What's with all the people saying "Overrated" is subjective? Let's not kid ourselves, "Overrated" isn't an opinion, neither is it 100% subjective. Just no. There is a difference between criticism and an opinion, "It's overrated!!" isn't an opinion.

Just for the annoying amount of people who don't know how to differentiate between an opinion and criticism:

"The difference between Opinion and Criticism is simple. Anyone can have an opinion. An Opinion — I liked that movie, I like those shoes, that haircut is terrible, I hated that book — does not require reason, back-up theoretics or any level of education on the subject. Opinion is instinctual and doesn’t need to adhere to the format of intellectual discourse: theory, statement, back-up reasoning, historical placement. A friend recommends a book because they “liked it” or “it was cool” or “there’s a killer twist!”. Those are opinions that are not dependent on intellectual analysis.

Criticism, on the other hand, is dependent on intellectual analysis. Examples must be provided when someone judges a book (“it was the best book of the year” “it was terrible” “it was sexist” “it sets the art of writing back 25 years”). This takes a level of knowledge about literature, the subject matter, the author, the political ideas, the history of the media, the place the piece holds in the entire history of the media, etc. etc. etc. When a critic writes about a book they are required to provide reasons and examples from the work."

Similarly, when you are trying to criticize an anime, stop hiding behind the "I have an opinion!!!1!1!" card.


You really typed this out and thought "Yeah this is a banger. Nobody can debunk me!"


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You want the person who uses the term "overrated" to explain it why and how it is overrated? But i dont think everyone has time to waste for you. Also its their opinion so you are inditectly saying that people should not have diffetent opinions? Well good luck with that. If you want someone to explain it for you then you should go and read the reviews of kimi no na wa
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the only overrated series i know of is one piece...
one piece is definitely the most generic series there ever was and people been praising to the heavens just cause it's popular.
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Arin-san said:
Overrated is right behind "pretentious" in my list of worst criticisms. When people say that something is overrated, what they're really saying is that they're upset by people finding some sort of enjoyment in a medium designed mainly to - you guessed it, provide enjoyment. It's a really shallow criticism and kind of nasty in its intent.
TL;DR When someone says something is overrated that means they didn't like it but a lot of people do.

The moment you use the term "Overrated", you lose the argument. I don't think it can even be considered as a criticism. Criticism implies a thoughtful comment on the artifact, not whether you liked it or not (criticism should be how you liked it or not).

Just because YOU didn't like Demon Slayer but a thousand other did doesn't make it overrated. When will people learn that they are not critics. You are not a critic. Your opinion is as good as some random person's opinion, and it will stay that way unless you have some sort of credibility like actual certified critics. I don't understand how the mind of a person who unironically uses the term "Overrated" works.. Underrated is equally worse. Both terms basically boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like!" only said with bigger words and shit.

Stop using the term overrated, it makes you look like a tryhard wannabe critic who ran out of valid criticisms.

Edit: What's with all the people saying "Overrated" is subjective? Let's not kid ourselves, "Overrated" isn't an opinion, neither is it 100% subjective. Just no. There is a difference between criticism and an opinion, "It's overrated!!" isn't an opinion.

Just for the annoying amount of people who don't know how to differentiate between an opinion and criticism:

"The difference between Opinion and Criticism is simple. Anyone can have an opinion. An Opinion — I liked that movie, I like those shoes, that haircut is terrible, I hated that book — does not require reason, back-up theoretics or any level of education on the subject. Opinion is instinctual and doesn’t need to adhere to the format of intellectual discourse: theory, statement, back-up reasoning, historical placement. A friend recommends a book because they “liked it” or “it was cool” or “there’s a killer twist!”. Those are opinions that are not dependent on intellectual analysis.

Criticism, on the other hand, is dependent on intellectual analysis. Examples must be provided when someone judges a book (“it was the best book of the year” “it was terrible” “it was sexist” “it sets the art of writing back 25 years”). This takes a level of knowledge about literature, the subject matter, the author, the political ideas, the history of the media, the place the piece holds in the entire history of the media, etc. etc. etc. When a critic writes about a book they are required to provide reasons and examples from the work."

Similarly, when you are trying to criticize an anime, stop hiding behind the "I have an opinion!!!1!1!" card.


WEll It 's a matter of promotion. Kimi no Nawa has their staff done it, even planned to participate in Academy Awards then failed miserably. But the content has nothing in it. Koe no Katachi is much better.
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Oct 30, 2020 1:35 AM

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This thread should be renamed to Seething General.

I still don't know why it is so difficult to understand that 99% of the criticism made by """"certified critics""""(holy fuck op, did you really write that with a straight face), regardless of their reputation, are full of bias. And most criticisms exist solely because people (critics included) are too ignorant when they claim something or that certain show simply does not align with their views/bias. And let's not try to forget how anime (or any other form of entertainment) is inherently a subjective medium, no matter how you look at it. So trying to form an "objective" criticism is in most cases a retarded idea by itself (unless it is related to animation, but even then it is debatable if there is any objectivity) + the idea of following objectivity in an entertainment medium is literally the most Cringe and Bluepilled thing a person could do.

In the end, the only difference between an opinion and "criticism" (which are the same thing but whatever helps you cope) is the verbosity. That's fucking it.

Furthermore, all this thread and all this pathetic seething seems to come because for some reason OP, who not only takes what people say on the internet seriously, but also thinks that people don't like shows just because they are "overrated" and that when someone says that a certain show is overrated, then it means that people should stop liking that show. Holy fucking kek.

And yes, I do think that a professional critic's opinion on literary is more valuable than other's opinion. A professional critic says "That book is bad" but you say "That book is good" obviously I'll lean onto the critic's opinion more, there's a reason why they get paid for that. If everyone's opinion had the same value, then everyone should've been a critic, no?


So now, just because someone gets paid to be critical means their opinion is ten times better than yours, because reasons. It seems like now it doesn't matter how well you can write your stance on a certain thing or how well versed you are, because in the end it doesn't matter a shit because you didn't get paid for it or you don't have a certificate.

...

Or that's what that statement seems to imply, but anyone with a working brain could tell how wrong it is (and it's not just that, but that statement contradicts OP's initial argument lol).
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Agreed! Someone has finally said it out loud. I'm tired of seeing these kinds of comments from haters on every MAL's Facebook post.

I find saying "This anime is overrated" being no different from saying "This anime sucks and people who are liking it all have sh*t taste. I don't care about anybody else's opinions and my opinion is the only correct one.", something like that.

On the other hand, I also don't really agree with the term "underrated", but since it's far less aggressive and less hateful than the other one so I guess this is fine here.
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I mean, you just ignored the other side of the spectrum from the term "underrated", so it depends on one's opinion if X series is either overrated or underrated.

In the end, who the fk cares about the contrarians? We can just articulate the positive thoughts about our certain favorite show unless there's a way to open the discourse.

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Oct 30, 2020 2:19 AM

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Arin-san said:

You are underestimating Code Geass's popularity. The thing is, the reason why so many people bother to call Code Geass and Shigatsu overrated is because both of them are really well written anime, often showered with praises, loved by tons of people, basically they qualify for everything an anime needs to be called "Overrated". Meanwhile, One Punch Man is ranked as #60 (Compared to Code Geass on #17 and Shigatsu on #28). A very few amount of people actually call One Punch Man the best anime of all time, meanwhile Code Geass and Shigatsu often get called that. One Punch Man is a parody anime and only a handful of people care about the writing etc. on OPM, they only watch it for enjoyment and basically haters can't complain about that. Even after that some people will still say that OPM is overrated.


By this logic, Steins;Gate should be called overrated more than Code Geass or Shigatsu, since it is also well written, showered with praise, loved by tons of people, but rated higher (#4).

But it isn't. It may be considered overrated by a fair amount of people, but nothing compared to the other two.
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Arin-san said:
thiago52192 said:
Overrated isn't a criticism, but you can certainly say that some work is overrated if you can prove the show has a considerable amount of flaws that deeply hurt the quality of it, and show that most arguments defending that work are weak. Concluding that the work is overrated after that is only natural and it is what I've been doing to KnY, and I'm not scared of calling it overrated.

Why can't you accept that not everyone watches anime for the same reason and everyone shouldn't? We all get it, KnY has plenty of intellectual flaws that only big brains like you can find out, but none of us look that hard into it. KnY is an enjoyable anime, to some it's very enjoyable. You have no right to make the call for people and tell them what they should and shouldn't like. If a person decides to give KnY a 10 solely based on their enjoyment, how and why do you want to change that? You can make valid criticisms by pointing out flaws and getting people to understand that flaws exist, then it's up to that person whether their view on that anime is changed or is the same. When you say "X is overrated" you're trying to decide what people should and shouldn't like.

That's where you're misunderstanding things. For some reason you believe that stating something has clear flaws, and that the exaggerate praise for some show also has flaws invalidate someone's feelings. Stating that something is overrated doesn't mean I'm telling the person to stop like the show. People can like a bad anime. What is absurd is when people want to say those "intellectual flaws" do not exist and don't hurt the quality of the work, therefore the show should be "treated" as a masterpiece.

Another example so you can clearly understand better. Depite I believing Your Name is overrated, I gave the show a 10/10. Your Name had flaws, but those flaws barely hurt what the movie was trying to achieve, and the execution of that goal was phenomenal. The show had a lot of arguments claiming this was the best written movie of all time, and for that part of the audience, I definitely believe it's overrated. But, we have the other side, wanting to create writing flaws where it doesn't exist, or elevating the damage of a certain flaw. Based on that other part of the audience, the movie is underrated.
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I think there is a time and a place for the word overrated to be used if you feel the necessity for it. That being said, I kind of feel like just calling someone overrated is the easiest and cheapest critique you can give to anything that will have the lowest effect in actually getting your point across. Yeah, you can call an anime overrated, but what is that actually going to tell the person you are calling the anime overrated too about the series or movie? I mean it'll imply you don't like it but they don't know what or why. If someone wants to use the term for something like MHA, a series I clearly really enjoy, honestly go for it but at least elaborate after you do.
Oct 30, 2020 6:36 AM

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thiago52192 said:
Arin-san said:

Why can't you accept that not everyone watches anime for the same reason and everyone shouldn't? We all get it, KnY has plenty of intellectual flaws that only big brains like you can find out, but none of us look that hard into it. KnY is an enjoyable anime, to some it's very enjoyable. You have no right to make the call for people and tell them what they should and shouldn't like. If a person decides to give KnY a 10 solely based on their enjoyment, how and why do you want to change that? You can make valid criticisms by pointing out flaws and getting people to understand that flaws exist, then it's up to that person whether their view on that anime is changed or is the same. When you say "X is overrated" you're trying to decide what people should and shouldn't like.

That's where you're misunderstanding things. For some reason you believe that stating something has clear flaws, and that the exaggerate praise for some show also has flaws invalidate someone's feelings. Stating that something is overrated doesn't mean I'm telling the person to stop like the show. People can like a bad anime. What is absurd is when people want to say those "intellectual flaws" do not exist and don't hurt the quality of the work, therefore the show should be "treated" as a masterpiece.

Another example so you can clearly understand better. Depite I believing Your Name is overrated, I gave the show a 10/10. Your Name had flaws, but those flaws barely hurt what the movie was trying to achieve, and the execution of that goal was phenomenal. The show had a lot of arguments claiming this was the best written movie of all time, and for that part of the audience, I definitely believe it's overrated. But, we have the other side, wanting to create writing flaws where it doesn't exist, or elevating the damage of a certain flaw. Based on that other part of the audience, the movie is underrated.

Here is where you went wrong, what "clear flaws" are talking about? This is what I mean when I am saying that not everyone watches and enjoys the anime in the same way. Not everyone cares about the "clear flaws" you keep talking about. To some people, enjoyment is what matters. So, to be more specific, the things that you look at as flaws, are not flaws to many people.
You also seem to have the wrong meaning of "Overrated" even if in paper "Overrated" means something else, but let's not kid ourselves, we know perfectly how the term is often used. It IS basically telling the other person to stop liking that show.

Now about Kimi no Na wa, yes, it has flaws (Only a little) but the good part of the movie outweighs those flaws. Most of the time when people are talking about the flaws of Kimi no Na wa, those aren't even actual flaws. There was one objective flaw in the entire movie, one, I believe that flaw has something to do with the writing of the 2 main characters. Other than that, most of the flaws the haters keep pointing out to me are not flaws at all, seriously, "The humour didn't go with me" isn't a flaw of the movie.

I think I'm pretty sure you and plenty others in this thread are mistaken about the term "Overrated", it is almost all the time used in a negative connotation. It is a lazy way of criticizing something.

You didn't like Kimi no Na wa because it had flaws and decided to give it a low score? Okay, good. You are telling others how to rate this anime? Not okay, not good.




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Oct 30, 2020 6:44 AM

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Overrated is a subjective term and it always will be. It simply means "in my opinion this show was worse than it was in the eyes of the masses". It's a useful term because of the information it gives you about the person you're talking to, and if you have similar taste then it might be a reason to avoid the show, but it's important to not allow yourself to believe that something can be objectively overrated.
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Nefelupitou said:
What I understood:

Kimi no na wa is overrated, but please, don't say that kind of stuff to me


You nailed it.
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Oct 30, 2020 6:59 AM

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It's all fine and dandy, but what do you say when a show is actually overrated?

Like, lets say there's that movie, Kimi no na Wa, its animation is average af on a technical standpoint, and everybody is yelling "OMG 10/10 BEST ANIMATION EVER!". How do you call that besides being overrated?
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Arin-san said:
thiago52192 said:

That's where you're misunderstanding things. For some reason you believe that stating something has clear flaws, and that the exaggerate praise for some show also has flaws invalidate someone's feelings. Stating that something is overrated doesn't mean I'm telling the person to stop like the show. People can like a bad anime. What is absurd is when people want to say those "intellectual flaws" do not exist and don't hurt the quality of the work, therefore the show should be "treated" as a masterpiece.

Another example so you can clearly understand better. Depite I believing Your Name is overrated, I gave the show a 10/10. Your Name had flaws, but those flaws barely hurt what the movie was trying to achieve, and the execution of that goal was phenomenal. The show had a lot of arguments claiming this was the best written movie of all time, and for that part of the audience, I definitely believe it's overrated. But, we have the other side, wanting to create writing flaws where it doesn't exist, or elevating the damage of a certain flaw. Based on that other part of the audience, the movie is underrated.

Here is where you went wrong, what "clear flaws" are talking about? This is what I mean when I am saying that not everyone watches and enjoys the anime in the same way. Not everyone cares about the "clear flaws" you keep talking about. To some people, enjoyment is what matters. So, to be more specific, the things that you look at as flaws, are not flaws to many people.
You also seem to have the wrong meaning of "Overrated" even if in paper "Overrated" means something else, but let's not kid ourselves, we know perfectly how the term is often used. It IS basically telling the other person to stop liking that show.

Now about Kimi no Na wa, yes, it has flaws (Only a little) but the good part of the movie outweighs those flaws. Most of the time when people are talking about the flaws of Kimi no Na wa, those aren't even actual flaws. There was one objective flaw in the entire movie, one, I believe that flaw has something to do with the writing of the 2 main characters. Other than that, most of the flaws the haters keep pointing out to me are not flaws at all, seriously, "The humour didn't go with me" isn't a flaw of the movie.

I think I'm pretty sure you and plenty others in this thread are mistaken about the term "Overrated", it is almost all the time used in a negative connotation. It is a lazy way of criticizing something.

You didn't like Kimi no Na wa because it had flaws and decided to give it a low score? Okay, good. You are telling others how to rate this anime? Not okay, not good.


I'll try to keep this as short as possible since you're probably gonna still keep missing my point. There's is clear difference in liking the show and give a 10/10 based on enjoyment and stating that the show is an objective masterpiece. My point is based not based on the part of the audience that believes enjoyment is what matters, but to the other part that wants to prove the work have shown quality and say it's objectively the best anime.
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I agree with you with all respect. I'm on the side of where opinions matter, and we do have different opinions and subjective thoughts on anime. Good and bad can be seen as personal opinion, but on the judgment of an anime itself, there should be neither good nor bad, goes the same with "underrated" or "overrated". I agree that's there should no overrated or underrated anime, but we come from a society of opinions, including biased ones. Therefore, people won't never stop using those biased form of words for their 'superior' judgements. Anyway, "underrated" and "overrated" are opinions, aren't they?
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Arin-san said:

You are underestimating Code Geass's popularity. The thing is, the reason why so many people bother to call Code Geass and Shigatsu overrated is because both of them are really well written anime, often showered with praises, loved by tons of people, basically they qualify for everything an anime needs to be called "Overrated". Meanwhile, One Punch Man is ranked as #60 (Compared to Code Geass on #17 and Shigatsu on #28). A very few amount of people actually call One Punch Man the best anime of all time, meanwhile Code Geass and Shigatsu often get called that. One Punch Man is a parody anime and only a handful of people care about the writing etc. on OPM, they only watch it for enjoyment and basically haters can't complain about that. Even after that some people will still say that OPM is overrated.


By this logic, Steins;Gate should be called overrated more than Code Geass or Shigatsu, since it is also well written, showered with praise, loved by tons of people, but rated higher (#4).

But it isn't. It may be considered overrated by a fair amount of people, but nothing compared to the other two.

I'm sorry, but do you think that people don't call Steins Gate overrated? This is my whole point here, any anime in the top 30 is considered to be overrated, and that's a fact. The top 10 which consists of anime like FMA:B, Steins Gate, HxH, Gintama, Kimi no Na wa etc. tend to get called overrated more, because those anime stands out from other anime. You have no idea how many people call Steins;Gate overrated, I believe "Overrated time travel anime" is what they call Steins;Gate. So your argument is kinda pointless here.




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I think that, indeed, "overrated" is not a valid critisim, although it's a perfectly plausible opinion, albeit under specific contexts.

For example, people saying that some of the most popular anime out there which also have great scores, like Demon Slayer, are "overrated" kinda starts pissing me off simply because they are kinda stating the obvious - that MOST people LOVE the shit out of this particularly amazingly well produced show that appeal to the masses, which shouldn't be news.

Also, for the people who think "Underrated" is more valid than "Overrated", it also falls under the same label - in this case tho, of COURSE most undergroud series that are also of great quality are "underrated", simply cuz those have way more niche / specific audiences in mind, and don't appeal to the masses as much.
A 7,8 in a series with a couple thousand votes is probably worthy of taking in consideration as much as an 8.8 with a couple Hundred thousand votes.



TL;DR: I also despise the term, but only when it's not contextualized and used as a buzzword / easy pretentious criticism, much like you said, OP.

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Honestly, go off. Personally I get so annoyed when people call MHA overrated. No, it's not. It's just an entry anime for most new weebs.
Oct 30, 2020 9:10 AM
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If there is no such thing as overrated and underrated then that would mean that all popular and highly acclaimed anime are great and all unpopular and less acclaimed anime sucks. This couldn't be any more wrong though.

Overrated - considered to be better than it really is
Underrated - better or more important than most people believe

Of course not everyone is gonna agree but that goes with calling something good or bad aswell, you might aswell make a thread talking about how there are no good or bad anime.
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the only overrated series i know of is one piece...
one piece is definitely the most generic series there ever was and people been praising to the heavens just cause it's popular.

If you find one piece overrated then why do you watch its movies?

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I'm sorry, but do you think that people don't call Steins Gate overrated? This is my whole point here, any anime in the top 30 is considered to be overrated, and that's a fact. The top 10 which consists of anime like FMA:B, Steins Gate, HxH, Gintama, Kimi no Na wa etc. tend to get called overrated more, because those anime stands out from other anime. You have no idea how many people call Steins;Gate overrated, I believe "Overrated time travel anime" is what they call Steins;Gate. So your argument is kinda pointless here.


I just said "Steins;Gate may be considered overrated by a fair amount of people" and your answer is "You have no idea how many people call Steins;Gate overrated." Ok.

I checked out the first 10 pages of the "Most Overrated/Underrated Anime Discussion Thread v.5" (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1504768&show=0) to see how many times the following anime were mentioned:

Steins;Gate: 4
Code Geass: 4
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso: 9

Every top rated anime will be mentioned at least once, but how come Shigatsu pops out more? It's less popular than the other two, so it should have had less haters. Its mean score is lower than Steins;Gate and higher than Code Geass, but it got mentioned more than those two put together.
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I can sense you're a battered your name fan, that's why you made this thread. Don't worry, every Your Name fan goes through this phase where he tries to speak about his appreciation for the movie and gets shot down by a mob of pretentious sneeds spamming overrated till he gives up. It's like a rite of passage for us.
The movie was beautiful to watch, I don't think I liked watching any other movie more than that. I think I will forever be a fangirl of that film

Fr fr. This forum seems to have a grudge for the movie, but it'll always hold a special place in my heart.
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Why demonizing the term? Why people shouldn't be allowed to use it?

Of course no work is overrated or underrated on itself, it's not an inherent characteristic, it's a perception an external individual has related to that work and it's totally legitimate to have.
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-Elevate- said:
the only overrated series i know of is one piece...
one piece is definitely the most generic series there ever was and people been praising to the heavens just cause it's popular.
I love how you just unironically proved what the poster of this thread is complaining about.

People like One Piece "because it's popular"? Damn that's like, closing your eyes, covering your ears and refusing to assimilate all the valid reasons people have for liking One Piece.
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monster is overrated
bunny girl senpai is overrated
jojo's is overrated

overrated exists and these 3 are proof
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