| I recently started re-reading One Piece and I got to the Arlong arc and I knew what was coming with the Nami backstory and I had an aversion to re-reading it and it occurred to me: I don't really enjoy when something makes me sad. Now, with One Piece it's not so bad, and it's usually deserved. What it really made me realize though is how shows like Clannad are actually just bad shows. Shows like this don't have anything good going for them except they try and make you cry, and I personally do not enjoy that at all. I think a lot of people are fooled into thinking they are good because of that though. So, that's why I'm asking: do you enjoy when an anime makes you cry, or do you have an aversion to it? |
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| "this story made me feel so emotionally involved that I wept therefore it is a bad story" what a horrible take seriously |
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epidemia78 said: I agree with you. Who's take is that?"this story made me feel so emotionally involved that I wept therefore it is a bad story" what a horrible take seriously |
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| I usually try to avoid those anime because I'm not in the mood to cry when I want to watch anime. |
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| Its more so I'm enjoying it so much it can make me cry and I don't see that as bad thing in hindsight since Id have to be so emotionally connected towards the material being presented to me Enjoying the act of crying is hard to say if I enjoy it or not to be honest. If I cry I certainly don't mind it but its not like I rewatch fav moments with the intent of trying to cry morihama said: So we just like going to ignore Tomoya's character development and arc throughout the series? Ignore the touching romance and family love so powerful that manages to transcend time and change misfortune to something that will bring the characters we've seen grow as people happiness as they go into adulthood?What it really made me realize though is how shows like Clannad are actually just bad shows. Shows like this don't have anything good going for them except they try and make you cry, and I personally do not enjoy that at all. Thats some bullshit right here if I have any to say  |
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| The one that gets me the most is Fairy Tail. There is so many good moments in that, that I can't help but cry. One of my favorite shows of all time, with One Piece as a close second. |
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morihama said: epidemia78 said: I agree with you. Who's take is that?"this story made me feel so emotionally involved that I wept therefore it is a bad story" what a horrible take seriously You haven't actually watched Clannad, have you? |
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epidemia78 said: Yes, I watched both series in like 2010.morihama said: I agree with you. Who's take is that? You haven't actually watched Clannad, have you? |
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MasterOfCoin said: I've never seen Fairy Tail, but if you're talking about crying because something is so good then I agree, I was more talking about crying because something makes you sad.The one that gets me the most is Fairy Tail. There is so many good moments in that, that I can't help but cry. One of my favorite shows of all time, with One Piece as a close second. |
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| There's more to Clannad than trying to make you cry lol. Also, if you don't like sad shows, just because series that heavily rely on that emotion doesn't make it bad. Sounds more like your personal preference, you don't see me watching idol series then complaining about them being bad. |
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| The problem with Clannad isn't that it is trying and succeeding at making people cry, it's the fact that it needed like 45 episodes of build-up to achieve what similar shows manage to do in one episode. It's just not worth the big time investment for what little you get out of it in the end, considering how mediocre and boring almost the entire rest of the show is. As someone already pointed out implicitly, when an anime makes you care so much and be emotionally involved enough to make you cry, that's always a good sign that what the show is doing is working. I don't see that as 'being fooled' into thinking it's good, it just is a good achievement on the side of the show and I give it credit for that. It just doesn't automatically make the show as a whole good if there is one tear-jerking episode in 2 full seasons. Also crying in general is a nice, cathartic experience, especially when it's out of empathy and not out of despair or frustration or pain. I always see it as a good thing when a show makes me cry. If you're one of those people who are embarassed of crying and emotions and don't want to be made crying by a piece of fiction, that's your issue I guess, but I don't think you can blame dramas like Clannad for trying to make you cry. They're just doing their job. If you don't like it, don't watch dramatic anime. |
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Jus1294 said: Forgive me for not putting "imo" after every sentence of every post I make on this forum. I'm sorry if it caused you any confusion.There's more to Clannad than trying to make you cry lol. Also, if you don't like sad shows, just because series that heavily rely on that emotion doesn't make it bad. Sounds more like your personal preference, you don't see me watching idol series then complaining about them being bad. |
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Pullman said: The problem with Clannad isn't that it is trying and succeeding at making people cry, it's the fact that it needed like 45 episodes of build-up to achieve what similar shows manage to do in one episode. It's just not worth the big time investment for what little you get out of it in the end, considering how mediocre and boring almost the entire rest of the show is. As someone already pointed out implicitly, when an anime makes you care so much and be emotionally involved enough to make you cry, that's always a good sign that what the show is doing is working. I don't see that as 'being fooled' into thinking it's good, it just is a good achievement on the side of the show and I give it credit for that. It just doesn't automatically make the show as a whole good if there is one tear-jerking episode in 2 full seasons. Also crying in general is a nice, cathartic experience, especially when it's out of empathy and not out of despair or frustration or pain. I always see it as a good thing when a show makes me cry. If you're one of those people who are embarassed of crying and emotions and don't want to be made crying by a piece of fiction, that's your issue I guess, but I don't think you can blame dramas like Clannad for trying to make you cry. They're just doing their job. If you don't like it, don't watch dramatic anime. I just can't imagine a show being able to provoke such an emotional reaction in a mere 22 minutes. |
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morihama said: Jus1294 said: Forgive me for not putting "imo" after every sentence of every post I make on this forum. I'm sorry if it caused you any confusion.There's more to Clannad than trying to make you cry lol. Also, if you don't like sad shows, just because series that heavily rely on that emotion doesn't make it bad. Sounds more like your personal preference, you don't see me watching idol series then complaining about them being bad. Not confusing, it's just kinda petty to say something is bad when you're already aware it contains content you know you won't enjoy. |
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Pullman said: If you're one of those people who are embarassed of crying and emotions and don't want to be made crying by a piece of fiction, that's your issue I guess, but I don't think you can blame dramas like Clannad for trying to make you cry. They're just doing their job. If you don't like it, don't watch dramatic anime. That was definitely not my point. My point was I have an aversion to watching anime like Hotaru No Haka because I don't like feeling sad, and I see a trend of people overrating series for that reason alone, even though I personally don't consider it a big feat. Pullman said: As someone already pointed out implicitly, when an anime makes you care so much and be emotionally involved enough to make you cry, that's always a good sign that what the show is doing is working. I don't see that as 'being fooled' into thinking it's good, it just is a good achievement on the side of the show and I give it credit for that. There are multiple ways of making someone cry though. You can have a huge emotional climax in a show like One Piece, or you can kill a dog, and everything in between. I don't want to just watch a dog die is my point. Clannad to me is a show about how many dogs they can kill in 4 cours. |
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morihama said: There are multiple ways of making someone cry though. You can have a huge emotional climax in a show like One Piece, or you can kill a dog, and everything in between. I don't want to just watch a dog die is my point. Clannad to me is a show about how many dogs they can kill in 4 cours. I personally think something like Your Lie in April is a better example of the sort of emotionally manipulative cry-bait you consider Clannad to be. The former telegraphs it's tragic end within the very first episode which I found to be very cheesy (that's why I dropped it at episode 4. Whats the point of watching when I know how its going to end?) while Clannad takes its time to build up to the sad parts. |
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morihama said: Yes.Do you enjoy when an anime makes you cry? It's an indication (not the only one) that the story and/or characters are resonating emotionally with me, that I'm feeling what they're feeling. And this is something I appreciate deeply from a work of art. epidemia78 said: I haven't watched either of those, but I'm pretty sure what makes a story worthwhile isn't merely whether the audience knows the ending but actually going through the journey to get there.I personally think something like Your Lie in April is a better example of the sort of emotionally manipulative cry-bait you consider Clannad to be. The former telegraphs it's tragic end within the very first episode which I found to be very cheesy (that's why I dropped it at episode 4. Whats the point of watching when I know how its going to end?) while Clannad takes its time to build up to the sad parts. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: I haven't watched either of those, but I'm pretty sure what makes a story worthwhile isn't merely whether the audience knows the ending but actually going through the journey to get there. Sure, thats true with good stories but Your Lie in April's first handful of episodes were full of incredibly ham fisted drama and bad slapstick humor. Knowing that it was all going to end in tragedy I figured I'd spare myself having to endure it. |
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epidemia78 said: Pullman said: The problem with Clannad isn't that it is trying and succeeding at making people cry, it's the fact that it needed like 45 episodes of build-up to achieve what similar shows manage to do in one episode. It's just not worth the big time investment for what little you get out of it in the end, considering how mediocre and boring almost the entire rest of the show is. As someone already pointed out implicitly, when an anime makes you care so much and be emotionally involved enough to make you cry, that's always a good sign that what the show is doing is working. I don't see that as 'being fooled' into thinking it's good, it just is a good achievement on the side of the show and I give it credit for that. It just doesn't automatically make the show as a whole good if there is one tear-jerking episode in 2 full seasons. Also crying in general is a nice, cathartic experience, especially when it's out of empathy and not out of despair or frustration or pain. I always see it as a good thing when a show makes me cry. If you're one of those people who are embarassed of crying and emotions and don't want to be made crying by a piece of fiction, that's your issue I guess, but I don't think you can blame dramas like Clannad for trying to make you cry. They're just doing their job. If you don't like it, don't watch dramatic anime. I just can't imagine a show being able to provoke such an emotional reaction in a mere 22 minutes. I've seen 5-minute shorts that made me cry just as much if not more so I can't really agree on that. E.g. Furiko Time certainly helps building emotions, but it's not a requirement. Tapping into universal themes and emotions can be done in just a few minutes if it's done right. morihama said: Pullman said: As someone already pointed out implicitly, when an anime makes you care so much and be emotionally involved enough to make you cry, that's always a good sign that what the show is doing is working. I don't see that as 'being fooled' into thinking it's good, it just is a good achievement on the side of the show and I give it credit for that. There are multiple ways of making someone cry though. You can have a huge emotional climax in a show like One Piece, or you can kill a dog, and everything in between. I don't want to just watch a dog die is my point. Clannad to me is a show about how many dogs they can kill in 4 cours. I guess there are different kinds of sadness and emotions but for me it all boils down to empathy and connecting with people's emotions and not just some event or action being sad on its own. For example a dog being killed would never make me cry, but seeing the owner's reaction would most likely do so. But it's never just sadness, there's always positive feelings mixed in, of wanting to protect, help, support or comfort someone in pain, or remembering all the pleasant things about someone whose death is being mourned. So when I cry about something there's always a healing aspect to it. Regarding Clannad I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I mostly remember those scenes with his daughter in S2 which were just a mix of spousal mourning and parental caring, so I wouldn't equate that to killing a dog. Other than that the show didn't make me cry and I mostly remember it as being boring. It's been 10 years so I don't remember too many details, but since it's a key adaptation I wouldn't be surprised if there were some tryhard sadness moments in there.[/quote] morihama said: Pullman said: If you're one of those people who are embarassed of crying and emotions and don't want to be made crying by a piece of fiction, that's your issue I guess, but I don't think you can blame dramas like Clannad for trying to make you cry. They're just doing their job. If you don't like it, don't watch dramatic anime. That was definitely not my point. My point was I have an aversion to watching anime like Hotaru No Haka because I don't like feeling sad, and I see a trend of people overrating series for that reason alone, even though I personally don't consider it a big feat. Then I think the misunderstanding is because in your title you talk about crying but what you really meant seems to be 'feeling sad', which is really just one reason to cry out of many. Setting aside my argument from above about how even sadness has underlying positive elements to it in my opinion, most of the times I cry is not even for sad scenes. Heartwarming stuff does the job just as good if not better, or really cathartic moments in a character's development or characterization. Stuff like lovers being reunited after a long time, an asshole character changing into a nicer person, romantic feelings being discovered to be mutual etc... So I guess I'm trying to defend crying against the idea that it's only related to sadness since you've been using the two interchangeably. |
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| What exactly defines a show that "don't have anything good going for them except they try and make you cry" though? Are people really being "fooled" when said emotional scenes have long lasting impacts on them? Point is though, it's kinda absurd to think that just having emotional scenes is enough to make most people think a show is 'good'. Like Demon Slayer for instance while it does have great animation, still has its story and characters to back it up, whereas if you look at other shows that have great animation but lacking in other areas like Bounen no Xamdou or Captain Herlock, why aren't most people being "fooled" into thinking those are good as well? As for the main question in hand, I've never actually cried from any form of media, but if I did I would view it more as a plus rather than a minus Pullman said: The problem with Clannad isn't that it is trying and succeeding at making people cry, it's the fact that it needed like 45 episodes of build-up to achieve what similar shows manage to do in one episode. what exactly are said shows lol? |
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Pullman said: It's your fault if you read my title and didn't read the body of my post.So I guess I'm trying to defend crying against the idea that it's only related to sadness since you've been using the two interchangeably. "it occurred to me: I don't really enjoy when something makes me sad." I even clarified afterwords: "I've never seen Fairy Tail, but if you're talking about crying because something is so good then I agree, I was more talking about crying because something makes you sad." |
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Short_Circut said: What exactly defines a show that "don't have anything good going for them except they try and make you cry" though? Are people really being "fooled" when said emotional scenes have long lasting impacts on them? Point is though, it's kinda absurd to think that just having emotional scenes is enough to make most people think a show is 'good'. Like Demon Slayer for instance while it does have great animation, still has its story and characters to back it up, whereas if you look at other shows that have great animation but lacking in other areas like Bounen no Xamdou or Captain Herlock, why aren't most people being "fooled" into thinking those are good as well? As for the main question in hand, I've never actually cried from any form of media, but if I did I would view it more as a plus rather than a minus Pullman said: The problem with Clannad isn't that it is trying and succeeding at making people cry, it's the fact that it needed like 45 episodes of build-up to achieve what similar shows manage to do in one episode. what exactly are said shows lol? I already linked Furiko above, and there's other shorts like Ther She Is!! or Maison en Petits Cubes that also made me cry in a short amount of time. And if I start listing Movies and 1-cour shows we'll still be here tomorrow. There's countless examples of anime that took much less time than Clannad to evoke an emotional response in me, that's all I'm saying. Heck, even Clannad could have achieved it in one cour in my opinion, and I'd have liked it much more if it did. |
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| It depends. I'll still take into consideration the quality of anime overall. I might relate to a certain character more or feel sorry for them, but that doesn't mean I'd automatically like everything about it. Of course, I'm talking about situations that truly make me feel like crying. If I see the show that tries too hard, too sappy, etc. I would actually dislike it. That's what depends on personal view though, everyone has their own push buttons, what I consider silly might be someone else's disaster and vice versa. Also, sad scenes can trigger really unpleasant memories or emotions, it's not enjoyable at all but I still try to stay objective in this case. |
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morihama said: Pullman said: It's your fault if you read my title and didn't read the body of my post.So I guess I'm trying to defend crying against the idea that it's only related to sadness since you've been using the two interchangeably. "it occurred to me: I don't really enjoy when something makes me sad." I even clarified afterwords: "I've never seen Fairy Tail, but if you're talking about crying because something is so good then I agree, I was more talking about crying because something makes you sad." When you say two different things in the title and opening post as if they were referring to the same thing, it's not my fault if I assume you use them interchangeably. If you don't want to be misunderstood say what you actually mean in the title, blaming me for not ignoring your thread title is just silly. Why can't you just own up to having confusing wording? It's not that big of a deal... |
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| It depends. I cry very easily when it comes to uplifting or emotional moments (farewells, reunions, acceptance, love confessions, stuff like that), but not with character deaths. The issue is that I've had shows that I genuinely dislike make me cry by using these tactics. Zombieland Saga got me to cry pretty hard with Lily's story, even though I gave it a 3/10. I remember crying during Love Stage and Haruhi Suzumiya, but I was not happy about those either because I wasn't emotionally connected to it. On the other hand, of a show can get me to cry over something like a character death or cry more than just a couple shed tears? Damn. When I cry over shows, it's usually just for a couple seconds and I get teary eyed. But F/SN:UBW had me crying for 15+ minutes because it validated my mental illness and how I view myself. Death Parade literally made me have a panic attack on the final episode. Astra Lost in Space had me cry EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and it's one of my favorites for a reason. And, my most memorable cry, was the 40-50min I cried when watching the last 2-3 episodes of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhoo, after watching both series in a row for the first time. |
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| Absolutely, Emotion is what I care most and crying to an anime is one of the best feelings. I've been an emotionless person my whole life before anime but after anime, I've opened up to all of them. I am eternally grateful for that. |
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Shotttooo00_0000 said: I can relate to this. I was emotionally dead up until I found a few series to connect with at age 17 or so.Absolutely, Emotion is what I care most and crying to an anime is one of the best feelings. I've been an emotionless person my whole life before anime but after anime, I've opened up to all of them. I am eternally grateful for that. Clannad AS has a place in my heart forever because of that reason. Ever since then, I've grown softer. Probably a good thing. |
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| The only anime that has ever made me cry was Hotaru no Haka. That is one of the main reasons that it is my favorite anime movie ever, that it was so touching to me. |
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morihama said: I recently started re-reading One Piece and I got to the Arlong arc and I knew what was coming with the Nami backstory and I had an aversion to re-reading it and it occurred to me: I don't really enjoy when something makes me sad. Now, with One Piece it's not so bad, and it's usually deserved. What it really made me realize though is how shows like Clannad are actually just bad shows. Shows like this don't have anything good going for them except they try and make you cry, and I personally do not enjoy that at all. I think a lot of people are fooled into thinking they are good because of that though. So, that's why I'm asking: do you enjoy when an anime makes you cry, or do you have an aversion to it? I mean I like that you brought up One piece since i agree,it can be a really emotionally powerful anime at times.The point you made about animes like Clannad potentially being crybait shows,does strike a chord with me though,because i remember making a thread with this exact topic a long time ago....i think ultimately what i appreciate the most in an anime is its ability to balance out both a good dose of comedy and tragedy.Basically the tone of the anime being mostly lighthearted with only a few spare moments of sadness so they actually hit harder when they come. |
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| As many people have pointed out, the fact that a show was able to get you so attached to its story and characters so as to make you cry is commendable. The point isn't that it made you sad or it was trying to make you cry. The point is that it made you connect to it and its all part of the enjoyment. If the show didn't manage to accomplish that, then no matter how much it tries to make you cry, it won't work, will it? The fact is that what resonates with someone deeply is purely subjective. So, saying that any show that tries you make you cry has nothing good in it is not a valid point. |
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epidemia78 said: morihama said: There are multiple ways of making someone cry though. You can have a huge emotional climax in a show like One Piece, or you can kill a dog, and everything in between. I don't want to just watch a dog die is my point. Clannad to me is a show about how many dogs they can kill in 4 cours. I personally think something like Your Lie in April is a better example of the sort of emotionally manipulative cry-bait you consider Clannad to be. The former telegraphs it's tragic end within the very first episode which I found to be very cheesy (that's why I dropped it at episode 4. Whats the point of watching when I know how its going to end?) while Clannad takes its time to build up to the sad parts. I think I agree with you, though one thing I've noticed is that YLIA always makes me cry harder, but Clannad longer. The entire last quarter of After Story I am crying. |
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| This isn't a brag or anything, but I have yet to find an anime that made me feel sad enough to cry. I'm not even sure I cried at the infamous Fullmetal Alchemist scene when I first saw it as a kid. I don't know if the problem is with me or what. |
Setsuei said: This isn't a brag or anything, but I have yet to find an anime that made me feel sad enough to cry. I'm not even sure I cried at the infamous Fullmetal Alchemist scene when I first saw it as a kid. I don't know if the problem is with me or what. It's alright I feel this way too.I just somehow can't get myself to cry at anything.Even if'm aware of the fact that i find the scene kind of emotional i'll never shed a single tear. |
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Missaliensan said: Setsuei said: This isn't a brag or anything, but I have yet to find an anime that made me feel sad enough to cry. I'm not even sure I cried at the infamous Fullmetal Alchemist scene when I first saw it as a kid. I don't know if the problem is with me or what. It's alright I feel this way too.I just somehow can't get myself to cry at anything.Even if'm aware of the fact that i find the scene kind of emotional i'll never shed a single tear. Good to know I'm not the only person with this. |
Missaliensan said: If you define crying as producing actual tears, then it might be the same for me, but I feel like crying is a little bit more than liquid secreted by the lacrimal glands.It's alright I feel this way too.I just somehow can't get myself to cry at anything.Even if'm aware of the fact that i find the scene kind of emotional i'll never shed a single tear. |
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morihama said: Missaliensan said: If you define crying as producing actual tears, then it might be the same for me, but I feel like crying is a little bit more than liquid secreted by the lacrimal glands.It's alright I feel this way too.I just somehow can't get myself to cry at anything.Even if'm aware of the fact that i find the scene kind of emotional i'll never shed a single tear. I'm pretty sure crying is precisely that,producing actual tears.If you think it´s more than that,then tell me what else could crying be?Because i can´t think of anything else. |
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| Whether I enjoy when an anime makes me cry depends on why I am crying. I can't imagine anyone enjoys crying out of frustration, which happens sometimes. But I find that is ultimately meaningless, because someone crying relies on far more than just a static "is this show/scene good". People can be more suscept to crying because of their general mood etc. and I never really understood certain people's infatuation with the process of crying because of media. Emotional impact isn't measured in tears, but in staying power. Something that had an actual emotional impact on you as a person isn't something that leaves you largely unaffected one week later. |
| Yes... but some sad anime failed to make me cry. Anohana for example, didn't have much characterization of menma and i didn't really care about her. So at the end it didn't really impact me. I do thought "ah... she's gone... i guess this is the end." As i'm feeling a bit pity on her. But there is nothing sad about it. And everyone around me says it is the saddest thing ever in anime.... Angel Beats is fine. Although not the best. After watching these two... i don't have any energy to continue to clannad. I doubt how much it could be sad or even make me cry. I'm not convinced at what people says anymore. If there's anything sad in anime, it's death in battle shounen or action genre. And not akame ga kill.... that one was too brutal to be sad about. The saddest one i could think of is hunter x hunter. Runner up for that'd be arlong park arc... bellemere was the first ever victim to a gun in one piece history. Although, i have to say, that it is only sad. I didn't cry at all. Something that makes me want to cry is anything related to parent-child dynamics in anime. Wolf's Children, Uzamaid (a bit). It feels sad to see a kid grow up and venture on their own. I'm not sure if i enjoy it or not. It's just some plus to the story overall. And i wouldn't call crying as enjoyment. |
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| I tend to shy away from anything (not just anime) if it's a known tear jerker. However, if unaware and I start an anime and end up crying, I'm not going to abandon it just because it made me cry. In fact, it would mean it was a good anime that drew me in enough to make me cry. But no, I don't seek it. I would never start an anime hoping to cry from it. =X |
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