-Rogue said: So, what are the criteria for an account to be deemed as a troll/botaccount? They're keeping it close to the chest because people may find a loophole in their system if they give a way too much |
| Watch FLCL. Got it |
erejnion said: PepperShaker64 said: How? They give the example with Vinland Saga fans giving Chihayafuru S3 1/10. These are again votes by active users. But these users have obviously not seen the anime in question.As was said people who continue to use the site and vote on anime will have their scores validated as they are considered more likely to be legitimate. So how do you differ between these users and users who have legitimately enjoyed something? Ishuzoku's page has 60 different reviews that give it 10/10, are these illegitimate too? Can't see any mention about Vinland Saga fans in the OP, but that example would mean that a small number of supposed Vinland Saga fans created alt accounts to rate Chihayafuru 3 with 1 in addition to their active account. The scores of those alt accounts are now effectively made meaningless. |
| I have no idea why these people are so concerned over a score on MyAnimeList? Even if it were compromised or the devs are somehow wrong about their algorithm, which obviously isn't the case, so what? The website is for people who use it and that creates an average among that community. A bunch of people who aren't a part of the regular scoring system and won't continue to be in the future shouldn't be counted towards the score anyway. Again, if they're not included, who cares? The website isn't for them anyway since they've never used it in the past and won't in the future. obvious_troll said: New accounts rating shouldn't count inaverage score. Only the accounts that are old and have significant activity in forms etc... Should count. Kinda like stack overflow. You are not allowed to vote or comment unless you built enough reputation. That's not completely correct. You can vote and your vote will be recorded, but it will only count when you meet the criteria (e.g. certain amount of reputation). It will be retroactively applied which is how I understand MAL is dealing with the scores as well. This is why 10/10s from 10 year old accounts will count while 10/10s from month old accounts will not. |
Zei33Feb 12, 2020 5:58 PM
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| Will be interesting to see all the hated anime get higher scores now haha |
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Robmo said: So people who score 1/10 get a free pass? No, 1/10 from trolls/bots get hit as well. Read the OP |
Fortune favours the bold!  |
Robmo said: DeathTheKid4 said: No, 1/10 from trolls get hit as well. Read the OP I did. It contradicts itself constantly Looks pretty clear to me: https://imgur.com/a/8V859sN |
Fortune favours the bold! |
Naruleach said: I'm so glad to see this finally come to fruition. MAL is and should stay a reliable resource for anime and manga fans. Cheers to more development in the future! I don't think it can ever be 100% reliable, but this measure definitely gets it closer to being as ideally accurate as one could hope for. Hopefully those youtubers back off. TheFirmSword said: Such a pity I can guarantee you this still doesn't change anything. MAL ratings are still irrelevant. And the change in the top and some other few anime doesn't matter and no one cares. People with legit accounts still will continue to influence the score. So instead of recounting those stupid scores please improve on basis of how a anime should be scored. "And the change in the top and some other few anime doesn't matter and no one cares." There's over 3000 pages of discussion and argument in another thread to prove you otherwise. |
shirakawa_megumi said: You used hate flavored speech towards regular, or even below regular as I'm in oppressed minority here. Calling me "silly fella" is clear abuse of your power, and I feel offended, I have suicidal thought right now because I'm not that strong psychically you know? You think that it's okay to bully me? I don't even want to try to understand the Japanese you suddenly started writing, but this is just hilarious. You throw insults at a site admin and the site in general, but then feel offended when they call you a really harmless name and prove that they have the technology to see that sort of stuff (like Google Analytics which is abundantly clear by the "www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js" script in the source). MAL definitely isn't a cutting edge web app and has some faults, but it's a good site nonetheless. Get outta here with that crap. |
Rmoura said: The new system looks good, but using personal attacks against users, public figures and your core demographics, usually is the not the best of ideas. I'm not sure what you're talking about? Rmoura said: Also, using volunteers to do work that should be paid is like, the 1st in the book of how to be an evil corporation. They're volunteers. They can stop working whenever they want. And does it not occur to you that sites like these have to maintain servers, domains, and other things with money? |
Rmoura said: I've been using this website as a guide for quite a long time, but that's the first time I get to see its workings, and honestly it seems pretty disgusting. The new system looks good, but using personal attacks against users, public figures and your core demographics, usually is the not the best of ideas. Also, using volunteers to do work that should be paid is like, the 1st in the book of how to be an evil corporation. I really wonder what else has been hidden. Except that the fact that the mods are working for free has been known for ages, it isn't a secret. Get out with this agenda. It's not working. |
Fortune favours the bold! |
shirakawa_megumi said: icebergmm said: Aren't these English language forums? If I'm wrong, then by all means ignore me. Sory, I imigranto furom Weebooland. Only speekuu Weebongo. But really, I mean, I just put one line in Japanese at end of my fist comment, then Pipe quoted me with response in Japanese (but also in English, he wrote "lol, kidding :P"!) Then I had ecstasy rush because I was very happy about that and wrote him long response! Are you feel offended by that or what? I'm sorry :( To be honest, in past I always though that like 99% of people who are into anime, would be learning Japanese hard. Seems like this isn't the case. あたし...私は女性です。日本語で話せてうれしいです。 @icebergmm Yes, you are right. I will continue in English, I wanted to answer a small phrase xD |
trent5309 said: SO a YouTuber or two encouraged his/her followers to create MAL accounts? This person or these persons sent possibly over 1M new viewers your way, and you're upset about that? From a marketing perspective, it's pure genius and amazing free advertising! You should try to get multiple YouTubers to do this - your ad revenue will skyrocket! If you are going to discount new viewership due to the source, why would viewers want to visit your site? I came to the site because I heard about the situation and wanted to see it for myself. First thing I see is not some exciting new or controversial anime, but this thread. If you are going to consider my rating / opinion as worthless just because a YouTuber suggested I come to your site, why should I stay? Nice Try :P |
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someguy9393 said: So with all the new updates and being a new user will I be able to keep my account? Read the OP again. EVERYONE keeps their account. |
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Right here: shirakawa_megumi said: I'll checked and you are 34 year old boomer, so you may not understand that! Hope you learned something useful today! Safe travels! shirakawa_megumi said: Also why would commenting about state of this site would be bad? It's not allowed to do that? There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on a site. shirakawa_megumi said: Also there is something called "position of power", moderator insulting user is more concerning that user insulting someone. You can ban user, you can destroy that user life and dignity, but mods will always stick together and laugh while counting money they make from this site. Yep, and they hold that position of power so they can actually run the site. This is not a democracy. If it was, then the site wouldn't be maintained nearly as well. shirakawa_megumi said: Also watch more anime, then you will be able to understand what I've written in 日本語。 私の日本語は苦手です。ごめんなさい。翻訳を支援するためにプログラムを使用しています。 However, don't think that I don't watch a lot of anime. I only just made my MAL account 5 months ago. I have easily seen 5 or 6 times the amount of anime that is listed on my profile. |
someguy9393 said: So with all the new updates and being a new user will I be able to keep my account? Yes, none is going to be banned. |
malicegeminexus said: Attention admins/mods: Please remove my account from this site. This is not acceptable. The decision of removing or not your account depends only on you. But in any case, you can visit Account Deletion. I hope that these changes that are for the site improvement do not make you quit. |
| Not too bad, though i thought the whole pingu thing was funny. |
Strayfe said: icebergmm said: Just my two cents. If you look at the age of my account I'm probably one of those hit by collateral damage, and that's okay. Collateral damage was to be expected with any plan that would have been effective. Even if it were, it's not like your vote would have its weight lost forever. It's really similar to other forums or even some video games that employ a (no PM), or (No new thread) policy until a user reaches a certain level, or account age, or arbitrary point threshhold. And just about nobody complains about those minor barriers. Those points are exactly why I'm okay with it. 👍 |
| Thank God. Even if people genuinely enjoy Ishuzoku Reviewers (hell I'm watching it even), it's ridiculous of people to defend blatant vote brigading whether or not a few of those votes may be legitimate. |
| And at his feet they'll cast their golden crowns When the man comes around. |
thigadasil said: So the stats will remain forever wrong? I think it's the best compromise to be honest. The stats remain as they are, but average score is fixed, and there are no "automatic deletion of duplicate accounts" which could've been really problematic and i.e. cause problems to legitimate users. |
| I you guys are looking for good way to organize the ratings Edwin B. Wilson figured out a way using some pretty intense math back in 1927. In addition to what y'all are doing maybe implementing his equation would help. (https://www.evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html) here's a nice little article on the whole shebang. Hope fully y'all can use it to at least add a feature for better sorting |
PawzMeow said: Oh, lemme import my list to kitsu and ABANDON MY ACCOUNT CAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR WORKERS APPARENTLY Janbeersma said: So you basically admit owning a site that makes multiple thousands of dollars per day but yet you don't pay your staff. Damn that is absolutely uncool Rmoura said: Also, using volunteers to do work that should be paid is like, the 1st in the book of how to be an evil corporation. You people do know that Wikipedia, Reddit, and a plethora of other sites have unpaid moderators and contributors too, right? Why is MAL any different? Not everyone volunteers for a paycheck, you know. |
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Dubstepweeb56 said: This website is absolute garbage. Apparently we aren't even allowed to question the admin or put in any input. Fine I understand you hate a large portion of your users. We will all be leaving this 1984 fascist dystopia behind. Have a nice day https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1823998 You can question and argue and debate and complain in this thread all you want. It's over 3000 pages of complaining, actually. |
Skittles said: PawzMeow said: Oh, lemme import my list to kitsu and ABANDON MY ACCOUNT CAUSE YOU DON'T PAY YOUR WORKERS APPARENTLY Janbeersma said: So you basically admit owning a site that makes multiple thousands of dollars per day but yet you don't pay your staff. Damn that is absolutely uncool Rmoura said: Also, using volunteers to do work that should be paid is like, the 1st in the book of how to be an evil corporation. You people do know that Wikipedia, Reddit, and a plethora of other sites have unpaid moderators and contributors too, right? Why is MAL any different? I'm pretty sure the people they keep repeating from have their own unpaid mods on their subreddits, and discords... |
icebergmmFeb 12, 2020 8:12 PM
It's apparent that people didn't even know what they are talking about. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
icebergmm said: I'm pretty sure the people they keep repeating from have their own unpaid mods on their reddits, and discords... Heh, I wouldn't be surprised. Discord is another good example, so it's good you mention that. Thank you, sincerely. Some people here do need to be shown the textbook definition, apparently. |
SkittlesFeb 12, 2020 8:19 PM
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Skittles said: icebergmm said: I'm pretty sure the people they keep repeating from have their own unpaid mods on their reddits, and discords... Heh, I wouldn't be surprised. Discord is another good example, so it's good you mention that. Nobody works for free, don't try to deceive us, even if you like to do work, which makes owners and small group of elites rich, you do it, because you like your power, it makes you all tingly and overflowing with weird feeling of joy. |
| As an disgusting thing deemed by moderation team, I am now purged from this place. |
Skittles said: icebergmm said: I'm pretty sure the people they keep repeating from have their own unpaid mods on their reddits, and discords... Heh, I wouldn't be surprised. Discord is another good example, so it's good you mention that. I still think the mods on here deserve to be paid. But I think that's a completely separate issue from the ratings issue. I don't get why Nux and pals even used that as a point of contention. |
Strayfe said: I still think the mods on here deserve to be paid. But I think that's a completely separate issue from the ratings issue. I don't get why Nux and pals even used that as a point of contention. Low hanging fruit probably |
| no justice for pingu in the city. roll back and froze the score, haha great joke. |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
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