Vinland Saga
| I've seen a lot of baseless criticisms online on Canute's supposed forced 180. Maybe the anime shoud've emphasized it more, but the point is that in episode 13 there's attention being paid to Canute's character in a subtle way. At first I remembered it as Canute merely stepping up for himself but there's more meaning conveyed. In his quarrel with Thorfinn, he speaks of his importance as a royal in political conflict and presents himself with confidence, which means he usually puts on a (cowardice) public persona (due to Ragnar's shilling and his own disinterest) but has always been self-aware, knowledgeable and capable of upholding different attitudes. I thought this was obvious because he is a prince, but now there's objective evidence. Through Ragnar's inner monologue we get to know Canute usually only interacts with him that way. The more obvious foreshadowing is in episode 15, during the priest's prayer Canute gets an outburst when the words ''Father, I doubt your love'' come out because it reminds him of his real father's (lack of) love for him. In the kitchen scenes we again see Canute has always been self-aware of this, more objective evidence he's always been a smart boi. Now for 18 episode, as we all know Ragnar died (the one who sheltered him and his real father figure), he had a philosophical/theological debate with the priest, two armies were fighting a meaningless battle over him because the King wanted him killed anway, it's a chaotic situation and his sudden awakening makes complete sense from a story perspective. Nothing is forced and no asspulls. Personally I was in love with episode 18, couldn't care less about Thorfinn vs Thorkell not being the highlight. Strongest 180 I've ever seen in anime. Askeladd getting a boner and Thorkell seeing Thors in his eyes in ep 19 made it complete. Now I doubt there's much room for arguments, but I would be glad to hear other thoughts on Canute's character |
EsquirtitDec 3, 2019 5:28 PM
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| I very much agree with you in Canute character. How I'd personally see it in my own words is that there were two things that Canute held onto. 1. Christianity 2. Ragnar Since episode 13 states that Canute had to endure everything, he would be forced to gain royal and political experience, and this obviously shows during Canute's and Thorfinn's exchange. Canute has experience, he simply has a lack of interest in it because of the two principles I stated above. After Ragnar's death, Canute's mind shatters into despair, as he now believes that no one loves him anymore. One of the last sources of salvation is gone. This is when the Priest's philosophy comes in. In summary, Willibad's ideology claims that Canute's own perspective on the world, that Ragnar's love and everyone else's was meaningless, that it was useless from the very beginning and that God did not care about them regardless. This is when the very last salvation for Canute leaves. Convinced, Canute's empty purpose is replaced with a new purpose sparked by his anger towards God's neglect. A new dream is formed, to take God's paradise and put it on Earth. To create a new Salvation. Oh, and constantly being held hostage and others fighting for your sake would probably be difficult to deal with. |
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| @Elucid It's like Canute turned into a monster and rejected the whole world. Priest straight up said "bitch Ragnar killed 62 innocents for your ass, what even is love?". JK but I genuinely found it fascinating. A young prince realising humanity itself is corrupted and choosing to fight it himself. |
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| Agree with everything. Hope the people who criticized it would see this and realize they are wrong. |
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TheTexhnolyzed said: Agree with everything. Hope the people who criticized it would see this and realize they are wrong. Birdsanddrugs said: PREACHHonestly this thread should be pinned. Daniel_Naumov said: Eyooooo man lets drop all the pretense - Canute indeed did on us a one hundred eighty He changed shoes like Trump past election And no trying will redeem his idealism dancing This series quality is in the past tense, nonsense No bards will sign songs to this drunkard's saga They threw the story like Thorkells threw boulder - Across half the world into the "trash" folder. I am almost crying, trying to remember these moments, comets don't hit as hard as this pirouette hit my sense of quality stories I will not sing praise to this pseudo-historicism How can you defend this authorial poverty Oblivious to that would be only the troglodyte! If I was forced to relieve this experience Might as well go and watch any of these third rate "motivational" sport/cooking/camping series. I won't. Eh, wrong subforum? This is for mature discussions only, keep that shit in the SAO or DITF fandom. And if you didn't know already, Gigguk (God of anime) praised this series... you have lost contrarian! |
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| @Esquirtit , @Elucid I have seen some comments that are similar to what I think about Canute's transformation. To me it was too fast. I noticed small hints few episodes earlier that Canute might be not so weak and scared as he seems to be like (and well... I couldn't stop thinking about the real Canute the Great as he was in our reality; such a great ruler could not have been a weak guy who suddenly had transformed into a chad). While I accept his change, I found it quite too fast. In my opinion it could've been presented in a better way, like with more details. Canute's personality's change could've been more "smooth" as transformation", therefore more pleasant to watch and without resigning from an occassion to emphasize some more of internal conflict that was of course present, but in my opinion it had potential to show more. Bear in mind I'm an anime-only viewer, so I dunno how Canute's case was presented in the manga. (excuse me if there were any mistakes in this post... I'm very tired, but I wanted to write this post before this thread's position goes too low and ). / edit on 10.12.2019 to fix one mistake in one word / |
AdnashDec 10, 2019 12:16 PM
Daniel_Naumov said: Esquirtit said: PREACH Eh, wrong subforum? This is for mature discussions only, keep that shit in the SAO or DITF fandom. And if you didn't know already, Gigguk (God of anime) praised this series... you have lost contrarian! Yeah right why should not value some mixed American "Japanese-culture-fan" wanna-be deviant instead of historical accuracy. Doh. Only a boomer would take issue with the feats of superhuman strenght, the first 5 minues of this series already invited the more open-minded connoisseurs by not showing an intention to capture complete realism. Really sad Thorkell's dodgeball game tainted your perception of this wonderful saga. I think its historical setting is put to good use and some of the artistic liberties taken don't detract from it. Adnash93 said: @Esquirtit , @Elucid I have seen some comments that are similar to what I think about Canute's transformation. To me it was too fast. I noticed small hints few episodes earlier that Canute might be not so weak and scared as he seems to be like (and well... I couldn't stop thinking about the real Canute the Great as he was in our reality; such a great ruler couldn've been a weak guy who suddenly had transformed into a chad). While I accept his change, I found it quite too fast. In my opinion it could've been presented in a better way, like with more details. Canute's personality's change could've been more "smooth" as transformation", therefore more pleasant to watch and without resigning from an occassion to emphasize some more of internal conflict that was of course present, but in my opinion it had potential to show more. Bear in mind I'm an anime-only viewer, so I dunno how Canute's case was presented in the manga. (excuse me if there were any mistakes in this post... I'm very tired, but I wanted to write this post before this thread's position goes too low and ). I agree that they could've focused a bit more on his character earlier, but personally I thought the dream sequence with Ragnar and the conversation with the priest were enough to set-up his transformation in episode 18. Also that Askeladd's plan was introduced in ep 12 so we could've expected it anyway, since he was sure Canute could grow into a king figure. Damn, I think you just confirmed something about Canute's future, might wanna edit that out. I knew he was a real person but I wasn't sure what was going to happen next :( |
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Esquirtit said: I've seen a lot of baseless criticisms online on Canute's supposed forced 180. [...] Now I doubt there's much room for arguments [...] If you start a discussion and nearly end it with such a "I know it all and you all are wrong" premise, i doubt it will help to start a real discussion on this issue. |
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Azazin said: Esquirtit said: I've seen a lot of baseless criticisms online on Canute's supposed forced 180. [...] Now I doubt there's much room for arguments [...] If you start a discussion and nearly end it with such a "I know it all and you all are wrong" premise, i doubt it will help to start a real discussion on this issue. If you look at the posts in this thread that wasn't the case, so I don't know why you feel the need to point this out. This is how I've seen discourse going around on Canute's character change. Did I tickle your booty by wording it this way? Your problem bro... Really counterproductive, try better next time I guess lol? Now I doubt there's much room for arguments, but I would be glad to hear other thoughts on Canute's character Cleary there isn't much room for discussion otherwise you would've address the issue at hand, but no you just had some grandstanding to do. |
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| 1. Calling a lot of criticism baseless (on the 180 issue) is ignorant, those arguments that were made are not baseless just because you don't agree with them. 2. There is of course room for arguments, but only if you are ready for a real discussion. 3. Most arguments (pro/cons) were already discussed in the episode discussion thread. 4. I don't see any debunk here. 5. Your last reply indicates that you don't know how to have a proper discussion. |
AzazinDec 7, 2019 4:56 PM
| Ego = 1 / Knowledge | "More the Knowledge Lesser the Ego, Lesser the Knowledge More the Ego." Albert Einstein My ratings: |
Azazin said: 1. Calling all criticism baseless (on the 180 issue) is ignorant, those arguments that were made are not baseless just because you don't agree with them. I never said all. Azazin said: 2. There is of course room for arguments, but only if you are ready for a real discussion. No one said otherwise, I said ''not much room'' because there are only two routes; either you think it was too fast or done well enough. There is no 'magical' change out of nowhere. Azazin said: 3. Most arguments (pro/cons) were already discussed in the episode discussion thread. I watched it later and there seemed to be a flamewar because most posts were deleted. Had an argument with someone in the ep19 thread anyway. Why does this even matter? Azazin said: 4. I don't see any debunk here. I do, stop fronting and be direct? A lot of people said something along the lines of ''he suddenly grew more political awareness, gained knowledge, became argumentative''. Perhaps you can state your issues with his transformation so I can directly address them? Your posts in my thread indicate you have no idea why you take issue with my wording. @Adnash93 Had a differing opinion to mine and I casually said I disagree. Either give your opinion on Canute as well or stop replying lmao. Maybe I was right and there isn't a lot of room for arguments? @Azazin How you gonna edit your post after I've replied to it already? Funniest thing is not once did you think of how different my experience could've been from yours, you don't know which criticisms I've come across. I think that says enough. Just grandstanding... Furthermore... Looking up what you had to say about Canute's character was a mistake, you were just sucking up to Yautja pretentiously taking issue with a priests' search for unconditional love. I think that's an case of overestimating your own intelligence, causing one to insult the work because you desperately need some sense of critique against it. Calling it all pseudo-philosphical and pseudo-intellectual ain't it chief. And using at an attempt to discredit Canute's transformation is pathetic. You were the only ones having a hard interpreting what he meant with discriminatory love. Bleh. |
EsquirtitDec 7, 2019 6:04 PM
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Azazin said: The portrayal of Canute prior to the 'transformation'. The lack of the portrayal of his inner thoughts, his portrayal as an devote christian (or as a coward) who don't want to fight etc. There weren't a lot of indicators that he is very different from the portrayal (maybe in the manga?). I mean he was captured without fighting once... do you want to say that this was the plan of a 'king'? Or a good strategy to let his troops die... No one is saying he was the same before his transformation... that's not the discussion. It's what caused his transformation. Ragnar's death, the King's lack of love, soldiers fighting over him between each other, the conversation with the priest and his own way of thinking which is to reject what he views as bad ruling (or loving what this show loves focusing on). We should conclude if there were enough justifications earlier in the story, a foundation to build up on, I made my claim and point to the scenes in ep 13 and 15, idk what you're on about. That was his first battle and first time having troops in command... and yes that's how the King planned him to die. Again, no one argues that the Canute we know now was the same back then. That was when Ragnar and Christianity were still holding him back. You and that Yautja guy are really annoying. I don't disagree that there could've have been more focus on his character prior to his change, but still you don't really make it clear why his change didn't make sense though. Everything from ep 10 to ep 18 was logical from a character writing perspective. Azazin said: The transformation moment itself: This for example was not convincing for me and is my main argument against your view. His discussion with the priest was rather superficial and more hilarious than serious. Again, maybe in the manga it was different, but for me as a viewer i didn't buy it. Especially the role of the drunk priest was not convincing at all, with his rather weak theology. The transformation itself was imo not handled very well. Uhm okay, that's rather weak criticism in my opinion. Priest searches for unconditional love. Uses nature/death as an analogy. Rambles about how mankind is corrupt and will never reach it. Takes a jab at Ragnar. Ragnar was okay with killing 62 innocent peasants. Canute knows his way of loving wasn't right. Canute rejects them both and takes up his duty as a king, and his ideal is to build his own paradise he deems the 'correct' one. Basically Thors' way but he doesn't go the pacifist route. It's literally an abandoned prince reclaiming the throne. What else do you want. It really doesn't matter what you think of the priests' talk when in the context of the story it drives Canute's newfound convictions. Already said this to that Yautja guy. Azazin said: His behavior after the transformation: Of course, if someone who is extremely strong and want to punch you, you can still stand straight without to twitch. Well, it's an Anime so i can ignore such nonsense. But it made the transformation even more unrealistic. I disagree, Thorkell is a realistic retard and if that was enough to convince him so be it. Best girl has spoken. I'm not sure how that bluff with the punch can discard the connection and communication Thorkell and Canute had. Very weak criticism again imho. Azazin said: I read that they rushed some (important) moments in the anime, so maybe it is indeed better in the manga, maybe someone can clarify it? But from the portrayal in the Anime, i'm still not convinced. Dunno, I'll read it when the anime is finished. I think it's rather obvious and it has already been said but Studio WIT went for a more mainstream appeal with this adaptation so some stuff that could've added more nuance to the characters and world might have been left out. |
EsquirtitDec 7, 2019 6:23 PM
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Azazin said: There is no point in arguing any further with you. I think your arguments are weak, you think mine are. Let's agree to disagree here. One last question tho: Before the transformation in the anime (assuming you didn't know about it from spoilers before) did you expect it? (I mean after the transformation it is easy to say you saw it coming etc..) Edit: if you want to convince me, name more episodes (besides 13 and 15) i should rewatch which indicates that the transformation made sense please. Your arguments make no sense and you have shifted the point of this thread and the claim I made. Go read my opening post. It's about how Canute always had the potential to be a stronger ruler, but he was disinterested and Ragnar never tried to change that (they preferred living the commoner's way). That's why I rather use the word 'awakening'. You seem to imply I claim that Canute somehow was the same before episode 18, that's not the case. I'm saying there was enough characterization for his awakening to make sense and not come out of nowhere. Solid foundation for an epic breakthrough. Did I expect it? Well yeah, Askeladd introduced his plan to groom Canute into a strong king in episode 12. Didn't know how all this would play out of course. @Azazin I'm not sure what you need in order for his transformation to make sense. Maybe rewatch Askeladdy constantly reminding us it was going to happen. |
EsquirtitDec 7, 2019 7:25 PM
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| Edit: This is indeed a waste of time. After the lack of a proper discussion and offensive behavior (last reply): Reported and ignored. :) |
AzazinDec 8, 2019 2:59 AM
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Azazin said: Just like a lot of criticism is baseless and there is not much room for arguments huh? This reply of yours is again terrible and any of your supposed 'critique' fails because you don't substantiate your criticism and don't counter my arguments. You think my arguments doesn't make sense? I can clarify it then: The whole concept of "love" in Vinland is rather weak, i mentioned it because it seems to be a hot topic and a bit important for Canutes transformation.( I wrote on that topic in a episode discussion thread. From a philosophical pov it has definitely some weaknesses.) Doubt it, because in all of your replies you had the chance to substantiate your claims but didn't. Calling something superficial or weak without elaborating why that is so isn't clarifying, they are empty statements. What philosophical pov? Didn't his father and Ragnar have a twisted way of loving him? You never explain what you even mean, you literally make no sense. Now the transformation as it is portrayed in the anime: You are saying that it was not sudden or rushed, but you only provide littlek evidences to support that claim. It is sudden and fast, I have evidence why it makes sense though. His character has a logical progression. You OTOH have given zero arguments why it doesn't make sense. So first we agree that Canute was not in the beginning as he was after the transformation. Or in your word "No one is saying he was the same before his transformation." But on the same time you say "there was enough characterization for his awakening." Which means for you, Canute had it all in the beginning (to be a badass king), which is a claim that many people don't share, including me. Nibba I'm saying the potential was there. You and your retarded crew don't have an argument against that. You don't share my opinion but don't even come close to refuting it. Disprove what I said. There are numerous reasons that made his transformation possible, ''had it all in the beginning'' is something no one ever said. You love bullshitting and twisting my claims. You're so pointless. Even coming with the ad populum wtf. So your main point then is that "he has always been self-aware, knowledgeable and capable of upholding different attitudes." So that there is a difference between his public and private persona or attitude and after the 'awakening' his private attitude is becoming now his public attitude(?) But all this was in the anime not clearly shown. Most of the time he was portrayed as rather shy, introverted, peaceful. Only because he had confidence in some rather private discussions with Thorfinn or Ragner is still not enough. My point is, that for us viewers, this is just bad. Even you accept this view (to some extend) "Maybe the anime shoud've emphasized it more". Not just maybe, this is the difference between a good anime and a masterpiece. No Canute spoke in front of Askeladd and his crew as well during that conversation with Thorfinn in ep13. Do you actually have an argument or is all you can muster ''this is just bad'' without even refuting what I wrote. Just drop the act already, what are you even spouting my dude. All I said was ''he usually puts on a (cowardice) public persona''. And you twisted it to this nonsense of ''his private persona became his public persona''. No dumbass it means his hidden potential was always there. He wasn't ready back then due to his own disinterest, Ragnar and Christianity holding him back. The problem is, because it was not shown (or not shown enough) before, that he could be that badass (as after the transformation and his 'discussion' with Thorkell) you can always claim, well, there are some hints here and there and the viewers just doesn't get it. If you need such a clarify thread on this topic you should know that the anime made something wrong here. Good job dumbass, you admit you're wrong but still go on. Blatantly blame it for not spoon-feeding you, a new low. You have no arguments. Something went wrong because a vocal minority started spewing false criticism yet never admitted their wrongdoings. The discussion with the priest who triggered the awakening was nonsense too. I mentioned it before the 'Priest' is awful with rather weak theological statements. That such nonsense can trigger a awakening was, for me, ridiculous (and a bit funny). Therefore, everything after the awakening is not very convincing. Again, calling something nonsense, funny and ridiculous without explaining yourself is the sign of a fake person. Make yourself clear. I doubt you know anything about religion or philosophy anyway. You can't even address my points in my replies to you earlier, you've lost already. Edit: i just found a way better explanation to the (sudden) change of Canute, which i could agree a bit more. Check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6D7x9Ua-wk Here it became a bit more clear that the change of Canute was not a (positive) awakening but rather a change in ideology mixed with rage (and his understanding of love). I'm not going to watch it but I literally already wrote something similar to this but it maybe didn't get into your brain because you're focused on hating and blaming the anime for not spoon-feeding you. Pfff. ''Priest searches for unconditional love. Uses nature/death as an analogy. Rambles about how mankind is corrupt and will never reach it. Takes a jab at Ragnar. Ragnar was okay with killing 62 innocent peasants. Canute knows his way of loving wasn't right. Canute rejects them both and takes up his duty as a king, and his ideal is to build his own paradise he deems the 'correct' one. Basically Thors' way but he doesn't go the pacifist route. It's literally an abandoned prince reclaiming the throne.'' Yet you claim Canute doesn't make sense. I think your issues lies with ''show don't tell''. I didn't make it clear here, but me saying he's like Thors but wants to reclaim the throne says enough. Or even better, ''doesn't go the pacifist route''. Congratz for watching that vid and getting it I guess. You're hopeless. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1813913&show=0#msg58776600 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1813913&show=0#msg58756023 He used manga material to support his view so maybe it is indeed better portrayed in the manga. Or he's just not like you and doesn't jump to nonsensical conclusions out of disliking something. This was such a pointless conversation. Only thing hilarious is that you literally have zero arguments yet insist on having one, what's wrong with you. Actually, you do have one. Canute wasn't badass before so it's obviously bad writing. Where were my badass moments at guys? That's the only thing that matters! I'm honestly coming up with criticism and not just saying bullcrap! @Azazin If I say he had hidden potential it's not the same ''had it all in the beginning''. There were still things that had to be done, for example fucking killing Ragnar lol. Clearly they are different things. This was indeed a waste of time. |
EsquirtitDec 7, 2019 10:28 PM
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| Even if it was a 180 shift, there is nothing wrong with that, it would have been kinda boring but oh well. I too though Knut became too op after ragnar's death and even too intelligent, but after a not so important moment in episode 20 I kinda agree with OP. The scene where ragnar's brother tell Knut about his meeting with the duke of normandy (if I recall correctly), so Knut made plans to run and hide there, and he also knew about the plot the king made to get him killed. I now believe he was smart from the beginning but he just cared about his life, his motivations after ragnar's death and the fight between the vikings made him somehow wanna get revenge and kill his father. Well, what can we expect? one episode has 20 minutes and 1 chapter only has so many pages and people might get bored if he became over powered and revenge mode in a slow matter. |
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Esquirtit said: You're a stubborn one, aren't you? Didn't I tell you to stop trying to argue with that guy but you went and created a whole new thread on the matter? Do you need vindication and validation that much? Rehashed argument (I'm not going to respond since I already gave you my opinions on Canute's transformation and my gripes about the people on this forum not knowing real world history.) |
MetaKite said: Esquirtit said: You're a stubborn one, aren't you? Didn't I tell you to stop trying to argue with that guy but you went and created a whole new thread on the matter? Do you need vindication and validation that much? Rehashed argument (I'm not going to respond since I already gave you my opinions on Canute's transformation and my gripes about the people on this forum not knowing real world history.) Welp it's too late the damage has been done. This thread wasn't that bad until someone ruined it, not that I'm completely innocent Catalano said: Even if it was a 180 shift, there is nothing wrong with that, it would have been kinda boring but oh well. I too though Knut became too op after ragnar's death and even too intelligent, but after a not so important moment in episode 20 I kinda agree with OP. The scene where ragnar's brother tell Knut about his meeting with the duke of normandy (if I recall correctly), so Knut made plans to run and hide there, and he also knew about the plot the king made to get him killed. I now believe he was smart from the beginning but he just cared about his life, his motivations after ragnar's death and the fight between the vikings made him somehow wanna get revenge and kill his father. Well, what can we expect? one episode has 20 minutes and 1 chapter only has so many pages and people might get bored if he became over powered and revenge mode in a slow matter. He was forced to less his beta male habits go |
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| It wasn't a 180 to me. He just man up fast because he didn't have time to be a noble. He has a 7 foot giant coming to kidnap him and a lot of dudes fighting over him. So he had to grow up fast. His development is similar to Carl's development in the Walking Dead comics.(For anyone that reads them.). You could also compare this to Carl's growth in the TV show, but comcis is a more one for one in my opinion. |
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Adnash93 said: @Esquirtit , @Elucid I have seen some comments that are similar to what I think about Canute's transformation. To me it was too fast. I noticed small hints few episodes earlier that Canute might be not so weak and scared as he seems to be like (and well... I couldn't stop thinking about the real Canute the Great as he was in our reality; such a great ruler couldn've been a weak guy who suddenly had transformed into a chad). While I accept his change, I found it quite too fast. In my opinion it could've been presented in a better way, like with more details. Canute's personality's change could've been more "smooth" as transformation", therefore more pleasant to watch and without resigning from an occassion to emphasize some more of internal conflict that was of course present, but in my opinion it had potential to show more. Bear in mind I'm an anime-only viewer, so I dunno how Canute's case was presented in the manga. (excuse me if there were any mistakes in this post... I'm very tired, but I wanted to write this post before this thread's position goes too low and ). Esquirtit said: I agree that they could've focused a bit more on his character earlier, but personally I thought the dream sequence with Ragnar and the conversation with the priest were enough to set-up his transformation in episode 18. Also that Askeladd's plan was introduced in ep 12 so we could've expected it anyway, since he was sure Canute could grow into a king figure. Yup, even if we didn't see his behaviour in first scenes after he was presented as a character, Askeladd's plan pretty much announced to us that Canute will have a major role later on. This plan didn't consider having a weak, fragile coward on the throne. To me, as I mentioned before, it was to be expected, but it was too fast to be frank. Like, it could've been presented in more complex way or simply in more amount of scenes. By that many people wouldn't have complained about his transformation being "out of blue" or something. Although the way his transformation was handled was fine. Not great, but not bad. It felt sudden, but after adding all hints from before it became not that much sudden, but only fast. Definitely it was not rushed as I saw that some people pointed out on the Internet. As @MasterHavik noticed, it was hard to not grow fast if Canute wanted to stay alive in the circumstances he happened to be, lol. I won't agree that his transformation is similar to Carl's case from The Walking Dead, but I completely agree there are a lot of similarities and unexpected situations that turned former kind self of a man into someone who is more like a chad. Esquirtit said: Damn, I think you just confirmed something about Canute's future, might wanna edit that out. I knew he was a real person but I wasn't sure what was going to happen next :( Oh come on, it's a basic fact about historical Canute the Great. :P No need to put it under "spoiler", it's not that much a big information or detail about his life. I bet you wouldn't call as "a spoiler" an information like, for instance, "Julius Caesar dies on his way to Senate on 15th March, stabbed by Roman senators" in a show with Julius Caesar as a character (like 1st season of "Rome" TV series). But if you are not familiar with world history in general or Canute's history and events related to it, then I recommend you not to search informations about him. Simply because if you consider it as something similar to spoiler that ruins some of fun for you and you do not have knowledge about this period of the world, then it'd be better to wait with comparing anime to real history until you finish the anime or manga that is far ahead of anime. Especially if anime's main hero is somebody who existed in real life as well. Same goes with many other characters, like great Leif Erikson. Funfact: Thorkell also existed. ;p (I apologise for one mistake in one word; I've already fixed it in my main post ;p) |
MasterHavik said: It wasn't a 180 to me. He just man up fast because he didn't have time to be a noble. He has a 7 foot giant coming to kidnap him and a lot of dudes fighting over him. So he had to grow up fast. His development is similar to Carl's development in the Walking Dead comics.(For anyone that reads them.). You could also compare this to Carl's growth in the TV show, but comcis is a mroe one for one in my opinion. Lol, Carl got done dirty in the TV series. Adnash93 said: Yup, even if we didn't see his behaviour in first scenes after he was presented as a character, Askeladd's plan pretty much announced to us that Canute will have a major role later on. This plan didn't consider having a weak, fragile coward on the throne. To me, as I mentioned before, it was to be expected, but it was too fast to be frank. Like, it could've been presented in more complex way or simply in more amount of scenes. By that many people wouldn't have complained about his transformation being "out of blue" or something. Although the way his transformation was handled was fine. Not great, but not bad. It felt sudden, but after adding all hints from before it became not that much sudden, but only fast. Definitely it was not rushed as I saw that some people pointed out on the Internet. As @MasterHavik noticed, it was hard to not grow fast if Canute wanted to stay alive in the circumstances he happened to be, lol. I won't agree that his transformation is similar to Carl's case from The Walking Dead, but I completely agree there are a lot of similarities and unexpected situations that turned former kind self of a man into someone who is more like a chad. Well, it was definitely cathartic to do it amidst all the fighting going on. I didn't mind not having a more gradual development. Adnash93 said: Oh come on, it's a basic fact about historical Canute the Great. :P No need to put it under "spoiler", it's not that much a big information or detail about his life. He could've died in battle, or not be that much of a great ruler. I knew beforehand Leif, Thorkell, Thorfinn and Canute were based off real people, just not what would happen. |
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Esquirtit said: First time of me using the Walking Dead and it makes sense. LOL! Yeah he did get done dirty in the TV show. MasterHavik said: It wasn't a 180 to me. He just man up fast because he didn't have time to be a noble. He has a 7 foot giant coming to kidnap him and a lot of dudes fighting over him. So he had to grow up fast. His development is similar to Carl's development in the Walking Dead comics.(For anyone that reads them.). You could also compare this to Carl's growth in the TV show, but comcis is a mroe one for one in my opinion. Lol, Carl got done dirty in the TV series. Adnash93 said: Yup, even if we didn't see his behaviour in first scenes after he was presented as a character, Askeladd's plan pretty much announced to us that Canute will have a major role later on. This plan didn't consider having a weak, fragile coward on the throne. To me, as I mentioned before, it was to be expected, but it was too fast to be frank. Like, it could've been presented in more complex way or simply in more amount of scenes. By that many people wouldn't have complained about his transformation being "out of blue" or something. Although the way his transformation was handled was fine. Not great, but not bad. It felt sudden, but after adding all hints from before it became not that much sudden, but only fast. Definitely it was not rushed as I saw that some people pointed out on the Internet. As @MasterHavik noticed, it was hard to not grow fast if Canute wanted to stay alive in the circumstances he happened to be, lol. I won't agree that his transformation is similar to Carl's case from The Walking Dead, but I completely agree there are a lot of similarities and unexpected situations that turned former kind self of a man into someone who is more like a chad. Well, it was definitely cathartic to do it amidst all the fighting going on. I didn't mind not having a more gradual development. Adnash93 said: Oh come on, it's a basic fact about historical Canute the Great. :P No need to put it under "spoiler", it's not that much a big information or detail about his life. He could've died in battle, or not be that much of a great ruler. I knew beforehand Leif, Thorkell, Thorfinn and Canute were based off real people, just not what would happen. @Adnash93 I can see where you're coming from. |
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| @Crybabynes I don't think it was his 'true' personality, there were still a string of events that made his change possible, before he was still shy and cowardice in front of others, maybe as a defense mechanism because he prefered Ragnar to his real father and living a commoners' life. Before he only felt confident with Ragnar, but occasinally had outburst as well, like that scene with Thorfinn. The point of this thread was more to point out he wasn't oblivious to his position as a royalty, he was still self-aware and knowledgeable. Which is also why he was able to step up and reclaim the throne. Not simply a boy turning manly, also a prince turning king. |
EsquirtitDec 11, 2019 5:10 AM
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Esquirtit said: Well, it was definitely cathartic to do it amidst all the fighting going on. I didn't mind not having a more gradual development. Same, although it was fine. At least the hints of Canute's hidden potential were visible. Esquirtit said: He could've died in battle, or not be that much of a great ruler. I knew beforehand Leif, Thorkell, Thorfinn and Canute were based off real people, just not what would happen. Usually Canute is presented with a suffix the Great, so he couldn't be somebody not relevant. It was hard to be called "the Great" back in the medieval times and by future chroniclers and historians. ;-) As I said before, I advise you not to read more about those characters, unless you want to know what might happen next. I'm not sure how the manga goes along with history later, but I heard it's pretty much coherent with what happened centuries ago. MasterHavik said: First time of me using the Walking Dead and it makes sense. LOL! Yeah he did get done dirty in the TV show. @Adnash93 I can see where you're coming from. Yeah, Carl - even if there are a lot of differences between his transformation and Canute's one - is a good example of very fast change in personality, based on losing previous innocence and becoming more chad-like. Where am I coming from? o_O |
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