puneetsingh said: Seiya said: LOL, you asked me to explain and now not reading it is just wasting my time. Anyway, NOTE: u know that u are giving opinion on a forum so obviously someone can opinion u here.I'm not reading that. Please don't quote me anymore. I'm no longer open to being quoted by anyone. Just ignore me instead. No, because I don't like debating with people. I only care about my own opinions. |
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Seiya said: Then u can ignore criticism. U were hating on critics like u actually care about others opinion. So if u don't care about critics then why wasting time on hating it?puneetsingh said: LOL, you asked me to explain and now not reading it is just wasting my time. Anyway, NOTE: u know that u are giving opinion on a forum so obviously someone can opinion u here. No, because I don't like debating with people. I only care about my own opinions. |
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
| I definitely agree with you on Stein;Gate. In fact, the only reason I didn't give it a 10 was because on the middle part on the 2nd arc (the part were Okabe have to undo everything he did with D-mail wasn't as good as the rest of the series). But if I have to choose another criticism I disagree, it would be that the majority of people think Season 1 of SNK is the worst part of it only because it focus a lot on action and it doesn't develop characters that much. Action shows do need to have substance. I'm not gonna be like KnY fanboys who defend a show with empty story and characters. That's why I belive S1 of SNK had a lot of substance, but people only remember for the action. The great thing about S1 was to balance character and world developing, while creating extremelly epic and tense action scenes. Everything was happening at the same time, so a lot of people only remember the the most impactful elements. 1st part of S1 developed SO much the three main characters (Eren, Mikasa and Armin). The first arc is definitely about those 3, and people tend to forget that. But besides that, it did so much worldbuilding, which people also tend to underestimate how important this is. Second part developed a lot about the Survey Corps, their political differences with the Military Polices, and more secondary characters like Erwin, Levi squad, Hange and Annie. And I also want to point out that choosing to not develop every single character of the series in the 1st/2nd arc is a great thing. The show would lose way too much time on developing those characters and it barely would "start" and get boring quickly, which is something that can not happen on the first couple of episodes no matter what |
BetterTasteSep 18, 2019 10:42 AM
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| I agree with OP on Steins;Gate. I've only watched it once, and that one time I greatly enjoyed every single episode. I found the start really enjoyable, especially because of the sense of something going on and getting the chance to slowly try and figure it out alongside the characters. The criticism I really can't stand though is the idea that FMA 2003 is bad for no reason except it doesn't follow the manga. I personally really didn't enjoy Brotherhood. A lot of the later manga plotlines and characters feel sort of infantile and I don't like the way things progress. The idea that it's automatically a masterpiece for no reason except "it's how the manga's plot goes" is stupid. Brotherhood's adaptation isn't even good - it assumes you're already familiar with the story and rushes through the starting acts. There's no impact to anything for a really long time, and it makes it hard to care. FMA 2003 though? I went in knowing nothing of FMA and I adored it. The character interactions and developments feel so much more real here. It's a more mature story, not because it's "darker" but because it relies so much more on emotion. I much prefer the twists of 2003 as well - Roy's development in particular is especially interesting here. Seeing people ignore all of it just because it's anime original is so infuriating! An anime doesn't have to word for word copy the manga to be good - if anything, that's a detriment. inim said: In School Days, each and every character deserves your hatred to some degree, and is acting in moronic ways. Most people stop here, and hate the anime for that. However, writing characters this way isn't really easy, and the watcher's negative emotions are triggered very well. That's quite a writing achievement, because I don't think this happens by accident. And the finale is, of course, peak absurdity - also not easy to achieve. I agree with this a lot. School Days is an over the top drama, and as an over the top drama it excels. It reminds me of really insane soap opera plots, which I also love. EcchiGodMamster said: any sort of negative view on fanservice I agree with this too. There's some fanservice that can detract from the story, but fanservice as a whole isn't bad because of it. A lot of it can be very enjoyable, especially when it's played for laughs. |
straggy said: I agree with OP on Steins;Gate. I've only watched it once, and that one time I greatly enjoyed every single episode. I found the start really enjoyable, especially because of the sense of something going on and getting the chance to slowly try and figure it out alongside the characters. The criticism I really can't stand though is the idea that FMA 2003 is bad for no reason except it doesn't follow the manga. I personally really didn't enjoy Brotherhood. A lot of the later manga plotlines and characters feel sort of infantile and I don't like the way things progress. The idea that it's automatically a masterpiece for no reason except "it's how the manga's plot goes" is stupid. Brotherhood's adaptation isn't even good - it assumes you're already familiar with the story and rushes through the starting acts. There's no impact to anything for a really long time, and it makes it hard to care. FMA 2003 though? I went in knowing nothing of FMA and I adored it. The character interactions and developments feel so much more real here. It's a more mature story, not because it's "darker" but because it relies so much more on emotion. I much prefer the twists of 2003 as well - Roy's development in particular is especially interesting here. Seeing people ignore all of it just because it's anime original is so infuriating! An anime doesn't have to word for word copy the manga to be good - if anything, that's a detriment. inim said: In School Days, each and every character deserves your hatred to some degree, and is acting in moronic ways. Most people stop here, and hate the anime for that. However, writing characters this way isn't really easy, and the watcher's negative emotions are triggered very well. That's quite a writing achievement, because I don't think this happens by accident. And the finale is, of course, peak absurdity - also not easy to achieve. I agree with this a lot. School Days is an over the top drama, and as an over the top drama it excels. It reminds me of really insane soap opera plots, which I also love. EcchiGodMamster said: any sort of negative view on fanservice I agree with this too. There's some fanservice that can detract from the story, but fanservice as a whole isn't bad because of it. A lot of it can be very enjoyable, especially when it's played for laughs. fanservice is best when its fucking hot, not when its funny |
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| Shinji Ikari not doing anything throughout Evangelion. Literally the one time Shinji lives up to his reputation is in End of Evangelion, the rest of the series he's literally the most proactive and successful pilot and does less whining than Asuka. Almost all the "Shinji sits around crying in a corner" stuff is literally not what happens for the entire run of the TV series, in fact he disobeys orders to run more than he actually runs away. |
   Why don’t we become monsters and really mess up this awful world? Just destroy until there’s no more evil, no more sadness, no more anything… Wouldn’t that be great? |
| There are several ones which are commonplace that I couldn't more vehemently disagree with and I may edit this post later, but for now, the one that foremost springs to mind is: Criticism of the art style in Shiki. I loved the art. Yes, it looked different, more colorful and eccentric/exaggerated in its character designs like hair style in a way which contradicts what you might expect from the tone of the subject matter. I thought it created a beautiful contrast, was so much more desirable than more plain and realistic character designs, and was one of the key factors which kept it from feeling like just another rehash of any other vampire story. I hear this criticism constantly, both by people who overall disliked or even detested the anime, and even by those who are fairly positive on it but cite it as a negative point. And I couldn't feel more on the opposite side. I feel like those who really hated it that much might as well just be content with the 1001 other variations of live action vampire tales which would have the aesthetic of more realism they're clamoring for, but the anime tried to do something different. It was praiseworthy and disappointing it attracted so much hatred. |
WatchTillTandavaSep 18, 2019 11:58 AM
EcchiGodMamster said: straggy said: I agree with this too. There's some fanservice that can detract from the story, but fanservice as a whole isn't bad because of it. A lot of it can be very enjoyable, especially when it's played for laughs. fanservice is best when its fucking hot, not when its funny lol I mean that too, but you've got to admit that ecchi humour is usually stellar. |
| Something I read a lot about Harukana Receive's conclusion was that |
AbsurdistOtaku said: @WatchTillTandava I agree that contrast is important. Hell, it's something we were even taught in art class. But I feel contrast needs to serve a purpose other. For example, in Higurashi, the contrast between the characters' cute appearances and the bloody tone works, because the characters' cute appearances are meant to exemplify their seeming innocence. I don't think there was any deep thematic purpose - at least not one that I gleaned. Just a visual contrast from the dark events transpiring in the story of these creatures' attempt to exterminate an entire village. But more to my point, I just don't see why it's a negative or detracting point at all. It's colorful and creative and doesn't add anything negative to the show, so I just don't see what people seem to so utterly dislike about it. Because it makes it feel less realistic to not have extremely plain designs with everything being normal/lifelike proportions and colors? In my mind, if that's what you want, there are so many other shows out there for that. The vampire sub-genre with its reliance on some common staples and tropes in its lore needs any fresh air injected into it that it can get. I just don't see how that could be considered a bad thing. I'd say just turn it off and watch Salem's Lot or the million other vampire stories with more realistic looking human characters if it bothers anyone that much. I turned on Shiki for something different and to me that minor stylistic difference was part of the packaging in the net positive direction. |
WatchTillTandavaSep 18, 2019 1:06 PM
| CGI is bad. I know CGI is not good as 2d animation. But come on. It's not that bad. Yes. There are many terrible CGI anime, but so are 2d. Imo anime's like Ajin and Vinland Saga have decent CGI. |
| the pokemon sun and moon anime is a dumpster fire for plenty of reasons, but i really don't think the art style change is one of them. i personally think its a lot more enjoyable to watch and gives more freedom to be expressive but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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petran79 said: I find the ending of Hisone to Maso-san satisfying, though deeply I hoped it could have mixed more military and political conflicts with those flying dragons. This is a big one and I agree. I'd raise the bar though and say that the ending was actually great and perfectly in tone. And yes I'm counting the epilogue. Heck, the epilogue in special. |
Seiya said: As someone who hates critics, I disagree with nearly all criticism. There's nothing I hate more, than people who take good Anime, and try to find things that are wrong with it. Totally agree with you, well for the most part, I believe some criticism is necessary and beneficial to the whole process but some people take it overboard and take things almost like it's a personal attack. No anime ever made is going to be loved by all. Anyways I guess everyone deserves to be heard but not all things are meant to be said. |
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| The amount of people who criticize Kivnaiver for being a melodrama is frankly disappointing. Like yeah, that's exactly what it is, that's not inheriently good or bad. It would be one thing if they were arguing it was a poor melodrama, but most of the time it often just boils down to, "the show isn't exactly about the things I want it to, therefore it bad." I guess I could give the benefit of the doubt, and assume they mean that the melodramatic elements get in the way of other elements in the show, but even then in my opinion "a bunch of hormonal teenagers who are forced to feel each other's pain" is pretty much prime melodrama material. Even if I'm wrong, and they mean something else, they should probably put forth the effort to make their arguments actually clear and substantiated so I can't easily misinterpret them. Same thing applies to the complaints that the main leads plans in Kaguya-sama are dump and nonsensical. It's clearly part of the premise, it being that way is not inheriently a problem so it's not a valid critism until you explain why it is a problem in that specific case. |
| "If it's not big, it's only a bust," some guy on the internet |
| Anyone who thinks fairy tail is a good anime, like are you mental??? Those people need to be put in psyche ward for how mentally ill they are. the show is awful truly. |
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eh.. even as the biggest ecchi fag on this site, i have to admit the humor is hella repetitive LOL not saying i don't laugh during some comic ecchi scenes, cause obv i do |
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| im glad im not the only one who also enjoyed the first half of s;g !! |
 I AM THE ONE CALLED POWER! How foolish and conceited these humans be... |
Iskandar87 said: Many people criticize Toradora because of having a violent tsundere as the protagonist and, while I agree that she can be annoying at times, the anime itself has a really interesting plot and character development. i really do think it's just a matter of personal preference at that point some people like it some people don't like it |
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inim said: In School Days, each and every character deserves your hatred to some degree, and is acting in moronic ways. Most people stop here, and hate the anime for that. However, writing characters this way isn't really easy, and the watcher's negative emotions are triggered very well. That's quite a writing achievement, because I don't think this happens by accident. And the finale is, of course, peak absurdity - also not easy to achieve. The problem with School Days is that the characters are never really explored well enough to make their moronic decisions at least understandable, even if I disagree with them. They just shift personalities whenever the plot needs them to do something unpredictable and act that way just for the sake of shock value, which is what makes people mad at them and is, quite frankly, poor writing. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
Ryu1908 said: Sure, School Days is not a really good anime, and I totally see the writing problems. But it certainly isn't a 1/10 like many rate it either. It's an attempt to deconstruct the harem genre with mixed results. And some form of dark comedy / parody as well. It's far from perfect executing these ideas, fully ACk. I gave it a 5/10, because it basically aimed pretty high and failed. But the result is average, not complete shit.inim said: In School Days, each and every character deserves your hatred to some degree, and is acting in moronic ways. Most people stop here, and hate the anime for that. However, writing characters this way isn't really easy, and the watcher's negative emotions are triggered very well. That's quite a writing achievement, because I don't think this happens by accident. And the finale is, of course, peak absurdity - also not easy to achieve. The problem with School Days is that the characters are never really explored well enough to make their moronic decisions at least understandable, even if I disagree with them. They just shift personalities whenever the plot needs them to do something unpredictable and act that way just for the sake of shock value, which is what makes people mad at them and is, quite frankly, poor writing. |
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inim said: Ryu1908 said: Sure, School Days is not a really good anime, and I totally see the writing problems. But it certainly isn't a 1/10 like many rate it either. It's an attempt to deconstruct the harem genre with mixed results. And some form of dark comedy / parody as well. It's far from perfect executing these ideas, fully ACk. I gave it a 5/10, because it basically aimed pretty high and failed. But the result is average, not complete shit.The problem with School Days is that the characters are never really explored well enough to make their moronic decisions at least understandable, even if I disagree with them. They just shift personalities whenever the plot needs them to do something unpredictable and act that way just for the sake of shock value, which is what makes people mad at them and is, quite frankly, poor writing. Oh, I agree, it's not the "worst anime of all time" to me either, although I rated it a 3/10. I mean, I appreciate the attempt at doing something different with overdone stuff like romance and harem, but it needed a more talented writer who could pull that off and make the story as realistic as it attempted to be. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| Ergo Proxy is pretentious. That's a matter of perspective and interpretation. Many people enjoy EP for the atmosphere, the art, the direction, and the sound design which are all very high quality. The weird, seemingly-convoluted, vague story shouldn't be overanalyzed. Just relax and soak in the mysterious tone and dark atmosphere, and you might enjoy EP. Steins;Gate is boring for the first half No for all the reasons others have given in this thread. Yuri is bad because it is appealing to straight people getting off on lesbian relationships And? That's like saying shounen action is bad for appealing to people who like fight scenes. It has a target audience with set tastes, so what? Doesn't mean it can't have excellent writing and production values and overall be a great anime. People act like you can't find lesbian relationships sexually titillating unless you are a lesbian. I'm sorry, that's the same bullshit logic that says you can't listen to rap music if you're not black, or wear a poncho if you're not mexican. Then they say "oh well it reduces lesbian relationships to just a fetish". Also nonsense. Same logic that says fan service reduces girls to sex objets because it only focuses on their physical beauty. Like, I, as an English person, should get mad if an anime shows the English countryside in a positive light, because it is ignoring other things which are beautiful about my country (I'm struggling to think of any other things, but they probably exist). Like that "reduces" England to just a nature documentary. Why do we have to show every single side of something, or else we are "reducing" it in some way. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
YossaRedMage said: The majority of yuri readers is female anyway.Ergo Proxy is pretentious. That's a matter of perspective and interpretation. Many people enjoy EP for the atmosphere, the art, the direction, and the sound design which are all very high quality. The weird, seemingly-convoluted, vague story shouldn't be overanalyzed. Just relax and soak in the mysterious tone and dark atmosphere, and you might enjoy EP. Steins;Gate is boring for the first half No for all the reasons others have given in this thread. Yuri is bad because it is appealing to straight people getting off on lesbian relationships And? That's like saying shounen action is bad for appealing to people who like fight scenes. It has a target audience with set tastes, so what? Doesn't mean it can't have excellent writing and production values and overall be a great anime. People act like you can't find lesbian relationships sexually titillating unless you are a lesbian. I'm sorry, that's the same bullshit logic that says you can't listen to rap music if you're not black, or wear a poncho if you're not mexican. Then they say "oh well it reduces lesbian relationships to just a fetish". Also nonsense. Same logic that says fan service reduces girls to sex objets because it only focuses on their physical beauty. Like, I, as an English person, should get mad if an anime shows the English countryside in a positive light, because it is ignoring other things which are beautiful about my country (I'm struggling to think of any other things, but they probably exist). Like that "reduces" England to just a nature documentary. Why do we have to show every single side of something, or else we are "reducing" it in some way. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(genre)#Demographics |
 It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: YossaRedMage said: The majority of yuri readers is female anyway.Ergo Proxy is pretentious. That's a matter of perspective and interpretation. Many people enjoy EP for the atmosphere, the art, the direction, and the sound design which are all very high quality. The weird, seemingly-convoluted, vague story shouldn't be overanalyzed. Just relax and soak in the mysterious tone and dark atmosphere, and you might enjoy EP. Steins;Gate is boring for the first half No for all the reasons others have given in this thread. Yuri is bad because it is appealing to straight people getting off on lesbian relationships And? That's like saying shounen action is bad for appealing to people who like fight scenes. It has a target audience with set tastes, so what? Doesn't mean it can't have excellent writing and production values and overall be a great anime. People act like you can't find lesbian relationships sexually titillating unless you are a lesbian. I'm sorry, that's the same bullshit logic that says you can't listen to rap music if you're not black, or wear a poncho if you're not mexican. Then they say "oh well it reduces lesbian relationships to just a fetish". Also nonsense. Same logic that says fan service reduces girls to sex objets because it only focuses on their physical beauty. Like, I, as an English person, should get mad if an anime shows the English countryside in a positive light, because it is ignoring other things which are beautiful about my country (I'm struggling to think of any other things, but they probably exist). Like that "reduces" England to just a nature documentary. Why do we have to show every single side of something, or else we are "reducing" it in some way. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(genre)#Demographics Not super surprised. You'll notice I avoided gendering the people who are in to Yuri romance in my comment. That was on purpose ;) |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| I've seen a lot of people criticizing stuff like Ergo Proxy, Harmony, etc for being "boring". Like yeah, the pacing is slow, but that's an intentional element of the story. You don't need constant action to make an enjoyable show. |
| The CGI in Ajin is bad. I mean, I'll admit, it's not... great, but it's never been bad enough to really take away from the experience, at least from my experience. Deadman Wonderland is edgy. Well, it is certainly dark, and there are parts that come across as forced, but to me, it feels genuinely dark, not just edge for the sake of there being edge. Occultic;Nine is bad. Tbh, I don't remember anyone giving a valid criticism of this show other than that one chick's bewbs (which, let's be honest, were pretty ridiculous). The show has one of my favorite plot twists, and maybe some people could have seen it coming, but I sure didn't. |
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| @AbsurdistOtaku At first, I didn't recognize you from your avatar until I looked at your username, heh. They seem fine; I like your profile pic. And yeah, that's how I've always felt. Like, it's super dark, but the characters react appropriately to the very sucky situation that they've been put in. |
| Naruto Shippuden falling off in the War arc I honestly don't think it does. I liked seperating the battlefields and giving each of them a unique feel, as well as seeing some familiar faces again. Yes, the VERY end is a little odd, but that doesn't drag the whole arc down IMO. Honestly, I don't see nearly as much of a quality difference between the OG Naruto series and Shippuden. Just make sure you skip the filler and you're golden. |
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Tsukizono said: YossaRedMage said: Not super surprised. You'll notice I avoided gendering the people who are in to Yuri romance in my comment. That was on purpose ;) I highly doubt most female GL readers are straight. I think you'd be surprised. The thing about girls being more naturally bisexual isn't some myth concoted from male fantasies as some people would have us believe. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
AbsurdistOtaku said: I never understood this either, it has one of the best first episodes and the first half is amazing, incredible character interactions and it's so much fun to just watch them, I'd be happy if the whole show had a similar tone, but I guess people prefer the thriller part of it more.For example, a majority of people agree that the 1st half of Steins; Gate was very uninteresting, especially the first episode. I completely disagree with this opinion; when I tried watching Steins; Gate as an adult again, I found the first episode to be a great hook, and the 1st half to be really interesting. |
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YossaRedMage said: You surely got some falsificable source for this groundbreaking insight, do you?Tsukizono said: I highly doubt most female GL readers are straight. I think you'd be surprised. The thing about girls being more naturally bisexual isn't some myth concoted from male fantasies as some people would have us believe. |
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| Not the anime, but Usagi Drop manga ending. I thought it was fine. Sure, the part till Rin is still a child, and even some of the kouki-rin story was more interesting, but the transition to its ending, as the mangaka chose to do it, was also natural and didn't feel abhorrent at all, like it does to most "Occidentals" |
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