| Gochiusa, Seven Deadly Sins, Tamako Market, Cardcaptor Sakura (along with pretty much every magical girl anime), and Chocotan! all have speaking animals with important roles in their respective anime. Show By Rock!!, Muromi-san, and Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san have full casts of anthropomorphic characters. |
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| there should be more, but they're usually old kids series like this one http://myanimelist.net/anime/2579/Hachijunichikan_Sekai_Isshuu |
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DrGeroCreation said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: LMAO reverse weeb even though I watch anime and you are the same guy that criticize people that use weeb as an insult.Whatever helps you sleep at night you reverse weeb.  Be salty at the fact that thing can't sing as good as Lola. Drown in the sweetness that is Suu's voice. She is so adorable. Also..here is Mero's beautiful singing. |
TyphoonSJan 1, 2016 5:37 AM
| They are just doing personification differently than the west I think. They are very creative, more than the west. As said above, stuff like empty cans, animals including squid (ika musume), weapons, but also cursed objects like torture tools (c^3), battleships (kancolle), submarines, planes, the list is very impressive. Simply, most of the time, rather than doing furries, they indeed have the character transforming into an almost human character, just keeping a few features of the real appearance, like tail, ears, horns and the like, like Holo in spice and wolf for example. I think that japanese anime have less furries than the west indeed, although there are still here. Dog days, kyoukaisenjou no Horizon (kyouhora also have fish like character and the like later too) and so on. They are less present, usually they don't make the full cast of an anime either, but they are here anyway. Also, oruchuban ebichu too. |
ZefyrisJan 1, 2016 6:04 AM
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| West is lagging behind in getting rid of anthropomorphic characters.. |
DrGeroCreation said: Anthropomorphism is more rooted historically in western cartoons than anime. Anime has always mostly focused on human characters. But if you watch early anime stuff you see a lot of antropomorphic figures. For instance Kobu-tori, The spider and the tulip, Momotaro stuff, Oira no ski, Dankichi-jima no Olympic taikai, etc. Maybe due to the divergences in cultural influence Japan left this trend out, but in the first decades it was quite prevalent as well. |
Jerkhov said:  I'm pretty sure she, like the rest of the zodiacs, is just wear make up and is a normal person. Zefyris said: They are very creative, more than the west. As said above, stuff like empty cans, animals including squid (ika musume), weapons, but also cursed objects like torture tools (c^3), battleships (kancolle), submarines, planes, the list is very impressive. Do you even brave little toaster? Anyways, there actually are a fair bit in older anime. Toriyama has a fair bit in his series. The world president(well at least during the king picallo arc) in dragon ball is even a dog. Tje real reason they don't though is because fritz the cat already destroyed all the walls of sexualizing animals all the way back in the 60s and 70s. Even after all this time, nothing have recreated its technical accomplishments like rabbit dicks, various species of bewbs and even incest cat sex. Also Sonic cornered the furry market. Edit: I can't believe I forgot balloon land, a short about a rapey safety pin that's trying to pop all the condom people with his dick. |
FleperJan 1, 2016 7:00 PM
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Zefyris said: Disagree. For anime generally they are basically just turning animals, objects into human characters while with western cartoons they actually give animals, objects etc. human characteristics with them still not being humans. In western cartoons anthropomorphic characters while not looking like human characters can go to school, go to work, watch tv, go to cinema, play videogames ,deal with breakups, do drugs, drink alcohol, gamble, get fired and even have non anthropomorphic animals as pets (Spongebob having Gary as a pet and Mickey having Pluto as a pet) like humans do. Hell in the French animated movie The Rabi's Cat you have a talking cat wanting to have a bar mitzvah in order to be considered jewish. They can also have their own cities like humans do such as the underwater city in Fish Police that is inspired by New York city and the human body of the teenaged boy the anthropomorphic microbial characters in Ozzy and Drix live in is seen as their city and meant to look similar to a human city. Anthropomorphic characters in western cartoons aren't just furries. From the first page in the examples I posted you can see an anthropomorphic angel fish, anthropomorphic musical instruments, anthropomorphic trees. In the western cartoon Adventure Time you have an entire kingdom of anthropomorphic confectionery, in Rocko's Modern Life and the 90's Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat you actually have the sun being anthropomorphic and in Regular Show you have an anthropomorphic gumball machine that looks like a gumball machine not human and an anthropomorphic cloud. Since the 40's western cartoons have gone past just anthropomorphising animals.They are very creative, more than the west. As said above, stuff like empty cans, animals including squid (ika musume), weapons, but also cursed objects like torture tools (c^3), battleships (kancolle), submarines, planes, the list is very impressive. |
DrGeroCreationJan 1, 2016 1:07 PM
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| I have to agree with DrGeroCreation: most of Anime's anthro stuff is literally just turning something into a human that retains some of the objects features. It's more giving a human characteristics of other things. The west takes things and gives them human characteristics. Doesn't matter because Monster Musume is still better then anything else. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
jal90 said: Even in the past anime didn't have the level of anthropomorphism golden age western cartoons had where literally anything could be anthropomorphized and the same amount of anthropomorphized animal characters. I don't see what culture has to do with it considering anthropomorphization is common in many cultures especially mythology.DrGeroCreation said: Anthropomorphism is more rooted historically in western cartoons than anime. Anime has always mostly focused on human characters. But if you watch early anime stuff you see a lot of antropomorphic figures. For instance Kobu-tori, The spider and the tulip, Momotaro stuff, Oira no ski, Dankichi-jima no Olympic taikai, etc. Maybe due to the divergences in cultural influence Japan left this trend out, but in the first decades it was quite prevalent as well. |
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DateYutaka said: Anthropomorphism is giving non human characters human characteristics (talking like humans do would fall under that altough it never just entails that), it has nothing to do with proportions. Human characters in both anime and western cartoons don't even have the same proportions of irl humans.DrGeroCreation said: Celestine from Ernest and Celestine is the same size as a mouse and doesn't have human proportions. Jerry as well and Tweety bird is small like a normal canary. anthropomorphic im my eyes is not weaather an animal talk its wetaher the have proptions right thatht means there body is Morphic talk animals Japan hada few just on the anime you have seen TyphoonS said: I don't like her voice at all, it's kind of screechy.Drown in the sweetness that is Suu's voice. She is so adorable. |
DrGeroCreationJan 1, 2016 2:34 PM
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| Anime does have anthropomorphism no denying that but it's not at the same level as western cartoons. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Anime does have anthropomorphism no denying that but it's not at the same level as western cartoons. And that might be a good thing. Western cartoons should tone it down and focus and good human characters above grade school. |
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ichii_1 said: LMAO western cartoons have a lot of good human characters. Aqualad (Young Justice), Batman (Batman TAS), Elisa Maza (Gargoyles), Superman (Justice League Gods and Monsters version), Jack (Samurai Jack), Vixen ,Pizzazz (Moonbeam City) Stan (American Dad) etc.DrGeroCreation said: Anime does have anthropomorphism no denying that but it's not at the same level as western cartoons. And that might be a good thing. Western cartoons should tone it down and focus and good human characters above grade school. |
DrGeroCreationJan 1, 2016 8:16 PM
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The only two anime I can think of with anthropomorphic animals throughout (or at least in the majority) is Catnapped! and The Cat Returns, somewhat. Here, have a picture of Buburina: |
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MortalMelancholy said: DrGeroCreation said: Anthropomorphism is so advanced in western cartoons that you have a sexy anthropomorphic angel fish.  Wow, I'm impressed. It's like a whole world of disturbing anthropomorphism that I don't want to know about exists in the murky deaths of Western cartoon culture... I don't suppose there's enough to warrant a PhD program for it? THIS |
TomDayJan 1, 2016 8:45 PM
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| So I've been looking at clips of Monster Musume on Youtube and the characters are not anthropomorphic characters (except for the slime girl I guess) but liminal beings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminal_being which are human/ animal hybrid beings usually found in mythology. |
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DrGeroCreation said: jal90 said: Even in the past anime didn't have the level of anthropomorphism golden age western cartoons had where literally anything could be anthropomorphized and the same amount of anthropomorphized animal characters. I don't see what culture has to do with it considering anthropomorphization is common in many cultures especially mythology.But if you watch early anime stuff you see a lot of antropomorphic figures. For instance Kobu-tori, The spider and the tulip, Momotaro stuff, Oira no ski, Dankichi-jima no Olympic taikai, etc. Maybe due to the divergences in cultural influence Japan left this trend out, but in the first decades it was quite prevalent as well. I'm speaking of immediate influences, that is, within the industry. If the following authors of anime didn't care for showing anthropomorphized characters then no wonder that it didn't become a prevalent thing. It just faded. |
jal90 said: That isn't true because you have authors coming after like Akira Toriyama, Echiro Oda, Masashi Kishimoto, Hiro Mashima using anthropomorphized animal characters in their work. Even in the 2010's you have Shirokame Cafe having anthropomorphized animal characters, the Boy and the Beast having an anthropomorphized bear. Anthropomorphism has existed in anime both in the past and the present but never at the same level as western cartoons.DrGeroCreation said: Even in the past anime didn't have the level of anthropomorphism golden age western cartoons had where literally anything could be anthropomorphized and the same amount of anthropomorphized animal characters. I don't see what culture has to do with it considering anthropomorphization is common in many cultures especially mythology. I'm speaking of immediate influences, that is, within the industry. If the following authors of anime didn't care for showing anthropomorphized characters then no wonder that it didn't become a prevalent thing. It just faded. |
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shintai88 said: Japan is behind cause they don't have shows like Winnie the Pooh? They have Mikan no Nikki a Talking Cat. They have Doraemon a talking Cat Robot They have Hello Kitty They have that Lion King like show. They have that anime about the bee that is searching for his mother. again, those animals are seen in a cute light. the bee one is the only exception, but still the designs are cute looking. and the "Lion King like show" is sinba the white lion :P |
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shintai88 said: No because anime doesn't have the same level of anthropomorphism as western cartoons. As I said in a previous post in western cartoons you have anthropomorphic animal characters than can have non anthropomorphic animals as pets, anthropomorphic characters that have their own cities resembling human cities, anthropomorphic characters engaging in the same vices as humans (gambling, alcohol consumption, doing drugs etc),anthropomorphic characters dealing with unemployment and breakups, a talking cat seeking religion. Talking animal characters is just a very small part of anthropomorphism. Also anthropomorphic characters are not limited to kids shows and can be found in adult targeted cartoons like Family Guy, Futurama, Fritz the Cat.Japan is behind cause they don't have shows like Winnie the Pooh? They have Mikan no Nikki a Talking Cat. They have Doraemon a talking Cat Robot They have Hello Kitty They have that Lion King like show. They have that anime about the bee that is searching for his mother. They had a load of those kind of shows for kids. Difference is the change in demand if anything, Since Japan has a stagnating birth rate. thus there is not demand for Child centred shows. Instead more General audience shows are made. |
DrGeroCreationJan 4, 2016 2:36 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: No because anime doesn't have the same level of anthropomorphism as western cartoons. As I said in a previous post in western cartoons you have anthropomorphic animal characters than can have non anthropomorphic animals as pets Fantastic planet is not exactly the most common trope of fiction ever, you know. DrGeroCreation said: anthropomorphic characters that have their own cities resembling human cities I assume any one of these would serve. DrGeroCreation said: anthropomorphic characters engaging in the same vices as humans (gambling, alcohol consumption, doing drugs etc), anthropomorphic characters dealing with unemployment and breakups Of course, these themes are soooo recurrent in anime that it's absurd that they don't have their anthropomorphic version. DrGeroCreation said: a talking cat seeking religion. Lol, precisely I can think of a few anime using cats in thought-provoking/philosophical storylines. You got a bad example there. Japanese seem quite obsessed with cats. DrGeroCreation said: Talking animal characters is just a very small part of anthropomorphism. Also anthropomorphic characters are not limited to kids shows and can be found in adult targeted cartoons like Family Guy, Futurama, Fritz the Cat. Same happens with anime. The only thing I said here, and you seem to keep disagreeing for some reason, is that anthropomorphism is not such a prevalent trope in Japan as it is in the US. Sure, lots of authors use anthropomorphic models but their influence is obviously not as strong, seeing the results. |
jal90Jan 4, 2016 3:35 PM
| Does this count? Asobi_ni_Iku_yo! |
| @jal . What does fantastic planet have to do with what I said? . Okay I didn't know about those but do they have cities actually based on a real city like how the city in Fish Police is based on New York city? Also those are only for anthropomorphic animal characters whereas in western cartoons you even have non animal anthropomorphic characters having their own kingdoms , islands etc.like the Candy Kingdom in Adventure Time and the islands populated by anthropomorphic musical instruments as shown in the Silly Symphonies short I posted earlier. . So you are agreeing with me here then? Anthropomorphism entails given non human characters human characteristics. So having anthropomorphic animal characters deal with things that humans normally deal with it shows heavy use of anthropomorphism. . Don't know any anime cat seeking to convert to a religion and I don't know any anime cat that is obsessed with eugenics. . So what are you really arguing Jal. You are basically agreeing that anime doesn't focus as much on anthropomorphism as western cartoons. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @jal . What does fantastic planet have to do with what I said? Me misreading it as "anthropomorphic beings having humans as pets" for some reason. DrGeroCreation said: Okay I didn't know about those but do they have cities actually based on a real city like how the city in Fish Police is based on New York city? You are asking for specifics here. The fact the cities are based on real cities or not bears no relevance when it comes to judge the amount of anthropomorphic characters in the medium. DrGeroCreation said: Don't know any anime cat seeking to convert to a religion and I don't know any anime cat that is obsessed with eugenics. Neither do I know any Western animation that deals with a cat trying to take his sister's soul from Death's hands. DrGeroCreation said: So what are you really arguing Jal. You are basically agreeing that anime doesn't focus as much on anthropomorphism as western cartoons. Yes, I agreed with that, and tried to point at influences as a reason. |
jal90Jan 4, 2016 4:48 PM
Does anyone remember the mid 1980's anime "Maple Town"? It's one of the very few anime series that I think that starred an entire cast of anthropomorphic animals.  |
| Lmao filthy otaku are already a problem in Japan and now you want to make them furries? |
BTW since sukasuka anime adaptation has been announced, you'll get some fine furry soon in anime:  How's that. Pretty classy furry if you ask me. |
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| Dude, there's a short right now about a cat-bananna. Need I say more? |
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| god no No furry pls, animu can do without that |
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Zefyris said: BTW since sukasuka anime adaptation has been announced, you'll get some fine furry soon in anime: How's that. Pretty classy furry if you ask me. Indeed. She's very lovely even if I prefer more savage furries. |
| Shirokuma Cafe, anyone? Also pretty much most anime from 1920-1950 has anthropomorphic animals. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| i can't masturbate to them, so i really don't give a shit |
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| Zootopia was really amazing, I disliked furrish things before, but I fell in love with this movie. Tbh I'd kill for it to have some more romance >D So, to my surprise, it's possible I'd watch a furry anime if it existed I guess, lol. |
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MortalMelancholy said: "Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou" is, as far as I know, the first anime to focus on such characters (and I'm not talking about mere kemonomimi), but a lot of Western childrens' cartoons have such characters (Like Winnie the poopooh). Because of the existence of "bronies," "furries," and "My Little Pony," I make this assumption. (Or is there something I missed?) I've always thought Anime to have begun on a similar level to Western cartoons, but Western cartoons diverged and became brain-melting garbage, while anime diverged and became brain-melting fanservice... Is this anime the advent of a new wave of cultural diffusion from the West? Why not? It could be interesting to get something new, no? In fact, I love Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou not only for this focus on monstrous-anthropomorphic intelligent creatures but also they live with humans AND DON'T TRY TO KILL EACH OTHERS OR ACT LIKE VICTIMS!. They try to find solutions, to fit to each species and cultures and sometimes, we get nice ideas (Monster Sport Center, Cloth Shop, Expo,...) and humans don't use their great ability to beat the crap out of things. It still a silly harem-comedy, full of lecherous stuffs but I find this kind of plot way more interesting, refreshing, and likeable than the usual action show like : Monster Badguy : Mouahaha! Humans are so weak! Human Goodguy : You're wrong! We're stronger than you thought! Eat this ! GIGA MANKIND BADASS ATTACK BREAKER!! Monster Badguy : Nooooo! How could this happens?! Human Goodguy : Because Humanity F*** Yeah! |
| https://myanimelist.net/anime/3858/Konchuu_Monogatari_Minashigo_Hutch one of best childhood anime (cartoon?) maybe because 2D anthropomorphic character is look silly or hard to draw even LINE character anime is 3D (brown is fit to those categories right?) maybe because source of anime is either manga or novel. And I think its not easy to create anthropomorphic novel/manga that interesting to older audience. |
| Wow, it's been a whole year... I feel so old now. dedoyxp said: https://myanimelist.net/anime/3858/Konchuu_Monogatari_Minashigo_Hutch one of best childhood anime (cartoon?) maybe because 2D anthropomorphic character is look silly or hard to draw even LINE character anime is 3D (brown is fit to those categories right?) maybe because source of anime is either manga or novel. And I think its not easy to create anthropomorphic novel/manga that interesting to older audience. Actually, most anime is targeted at younger audiences; the ones that aren't are kind of niche. And thanks for that link; here I was thinking that there weren't any anime that used anthropomorphized faces. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
DrGeroCreation said: LOL you seriously believe that thing is better looking than Looney Tunes show Lola? Uhm... DUH. Not only is she way cuter, she can change shape and read minds. |
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DmonHiro said: She's slimy though and no she is not cuter than Looney Tunes show Lola. Looney Tunes show Lola is kawaii as fuck and just really energetic and fun and can actually talk normally. She also is a real snazzy dresser. Can slimy, tentacle head ever look as classy as this?DrGeroCreation said: LOL you seriously believe that thing is better looking than Looney Tunes show Lola? Uhm... DUH. Not only is she way cuter, she can change shape and read minds.   |
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