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TheDiabolicEsper said: dragon ball gt Aired: Feb 7, 1996 to Nov 19, 1997 . R you seriously trying to justify. dragon ball super's animation when it Aired 2015?~2016 I am only reacting to what you're doing yourself. You say that GT has better stuff than Super. I show you you're wrong. In retaliation you send me the dates of when both shows were airing, trying to put the blame on me and making a vilain out of me. Pretty stupid. It doesn't absolve or negate your wrongdoing and the fact that you are wrong. |
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ShinsoPriest said: Yeah, they retconned it. Goku questions Gowasu about how they unfused during the Buu saga even though it was supposed to be permanent, and Gowasu explains that mortals can only stay fused for an hour. Disappointing, but still better than the fusion dance. When they unfused early against Zamasu, Gowasu says that they must've used up the earring's power to keep them fused. Apparently the earrings have a power limit like the fusion dance depending on how much power the user is using. Vegito wasn't struggling against Zamasu any more than he was against Buuhan. Like that scene where Buuhan tries to break reality or something by screaming, and Vegito struggles to punch him out of it. It's still obvious that Vegito is stronger. He just lets himself take a hit or two for dramatic effect to show the enemy how pointless it is to try to damage him. It should be noted that Vegito did not know that the fusion would expire so quickly, otherwise he would have given Zamasu the Gogeta treatment. It is a pretty crap and awful way to go about it; it really changes the whole complex of the Potara fusion and how we view it as we know it. Now the chance of seeing these fusion can may increase or decrease depending how they go about it. Its just a really crap way to change things and understandably not many people like it. He was struggling though... I see the injuries.. the scars and his facial expression that he was more try harding here to stop Zamasu and that he had to even get hit and damaged at all pretty much says it. Compared to Buuhan he didn't even break a sweat and just toyed with him. That maybe true but the Final Kamehameha is called Final for a reason and if that doesn't really finish him off or even render Zamasu immobile then it isn't really Final at all. Your final statement holds true though, but the fact of how the episode went still goes against the principles. |
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BobaFouette said: I'm just going to pretend that anyone defending and giving good ratings to this episode is either joking or insane. TheUnknownX said: DBS is clearly made by worthless retarded pieces of shit. This fusion was weaker than Goku alone. Final kameblablabla was lamer than most normal attacks. I mean, Frieza could blow up the planet AND kill Vegeta blue form in an instant with a love tap. This attack barely blows up a building. Zamasu can't kill a few lousy humans while Buu almost wiped out the planet with a single attack. I'm only watching this shit because it's Dragonball but it's worse than fucking GT. The10tailedwolf said: (โโฟโโฟ)(โโฟโโฟ) (โโฟโโฟ) yes DBS never existed... (โโฟโโฟ)(โโฟโโฟ)(โโฟโโฟ)(โโฟโโฟ)I don't understand why it took this long for people to be now angry at all the asspulls/bullshit power ups/plot armour in Super NEWS FLASH, this ENTIRE arc has been a load of bullshit from the start. And I actually enjoyed this episode, because I accepted the fact that the story didn't make any sense 2 months ago. The fight/action scenes in the episode were GREAT... power levels haven't made sense for the pass 2 months, but nevertheless not a bad ep. Of course the person who wrote the plot for this arc needs to be fired immediately!! But just remember, this entire arc never actually happened... this was all just one really long filler... and none of this is canon. Ignorance is bliss... join me |
TheDiabolicEsperNov 13, 2016 6:45 AM
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Tony_SansNom said: R u Kidding me? is this some sad joke? ;_; ?TheDiabolicEsper said: dragon ball gt Aired: Feb 7, 1996 to Nov 19, 1997 . R you seriously trying to justify. dragon ball super's animation when it Aired 2015?~2016 I am only reacting to what you're doing yourself. You say that GT has better stuff than Super. I show you you're wrong. In retaliation you send me the dates of when both shows were airing, trying to put the blame on me and making a vilain out of me. Pretty stupid. It doesn't absolve or negate your wrongdoing and the fact that you are wrong. |
TheDiabolicEsperNov 13, 2016 7:02 AM
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| EPIC! Trunks Bankai Form > Vegito Blue |
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Tony_SansNom said: TheDiabolicEsper said: it had way way better Animation.. not some fancy blue fireworks.. with fight scenes having 2 frames per atk lasting 1minute along with deformed faces/ body proportions in 2016 u'd expect better and the character personalities.. stayed true to the original dbz with decent development they did'nt pull crazy sht outta peoples asses... and since its not cannon.. does it rly matter? u people r obsessed with cannon.. and would'nt have cared eitherway.. and still bashed on gt anyway but super.. is cannon no?.. and look at the sht they pulled The Lore of db.. has forever being Fu^%^$%ed Are you perharps talking about this? DBZ and DBS reused animation too. Your point? |
| That was very anticlimatic....The bullshit flags are piling up. The build up was amazing for this shitty quickie- what a rip. GTFO here with Trunks spirit bomb/sword swipe? wtf was that |
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GangsterCat said: even no man's sky is less disappointment than this shit wow there calm down... i know it was bad... But not THAT bad!!! >.< |
| Ehm yeah... About thet genkidama thing.. You people do realise that goku and vegeta gave trunks their energy? So in the end it wasnt because of all the humans that were left. it was vegeta's and goku's energy who made the kill possible. The episode was great. the battle was awesome but I have to agree the last 5 minutes were idiotic. I understand that they wanted trunks to be the one to kill zamasu (after all, everytime he opened his mouth he said "I promise I will kill zamasu") but why like this? at this point i would have prefered it, if zamasu didnt get killed but goku, trunks and vegeta would have fought with all their might till zeno apperead and killed him. Just one more thing. I really like the time limit explanation of the potara fusion. It always bugged me, that they "just" defused inside buu. and lets be honest, I love vegito but a SSJB Vegito is simply too powerful. Otherwise it would have been simple: oh! an unbeatable enemy? lets just fuse to vegito, kill him and use the dragon balls to defuse us. And why would anyone think trunks is stronger than vegito? Because he was able to fight on pair with zamasu? Did you guys watch it without subs or did you perhaps not get what was happening? Zamasu kept losing it, which made him weaker (its been like this ever since DBZ. lose it and you will be weaker. remember vegeta yelling at nappa to keep his cool?) heck, even his body changend. and hello? vegito was toying with zamasu. thats his nature. vegito thought he had a full hour to play with zamasu, but turns out he doesnt just like SSJ4 Gogeta didnt. Anyone who thinks GT is better than super, please rewatch GT, then we can talk again. |
RilindNov 13, 2016 7:45 AM
BlackDot said: There was an incoherence that I didn't see in all your posts. Vegeto poped out, turned into SSJGSSJ and then Trunks said "what an incredible energy" But SSJGSSJ are "Gods", so he can't feel his Ki... Right ? Nah for some odd reason, Trunks can tap into God ki (don't ask me how. it just happened) so he can sense it. |
ShinsoPriest said: Plus Gowasu worked/observed mortals so it would make sense for me.Floyd said: Old Kai not knowing the 1 hour effect on humans is kinda hard to swallow... He strictly warned Goku and Vegeta that would never defuse once fused. This episode made that scene of Vegito defusing inside Buu to be a mere coincidence and not because it was a special ambient as it was argued. The Vegito vs Buu battle lasted nearly 50 mins and that was a nice excuse to be used here by the producers xD Well, if you think about it a little, you'd realize that Elder Kai isn't exactly all knowing. He was fairly young when he fused with the witch, and then was sealed in the Z-Sword for who knows how long. Gowasu clearly knows more than him since he's actually an old Kai. Elder Kai just looks old because of the fusion, he isn't actually an old experienced Kai. So it wouldn't be odd for him to not know about the limitations of the earrings on mortals. Make sense of retcons rather than ridiculing it for going against what you thought was right. |
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Tempus36 said: robhans said: To be fair, Trunks is half-sayain. If Gohan never stopped training he will end this fight only by his breath. Gohan, Trunks and Goten can be much stronger than Goku and Vegeta ever will be. Gohan needed some random android head destroyed to be as strong as Vegeta 9 years later. And Trunks being in his new form (that probably Vegata had to before going SSB, half-way point) it's not wierd for me that he is this strong. There are two problems with that: 1) from all half-saiyans in the series Gohan is THE ONLY ONE that was described as having massive hidden power/potential in the entire series: it was consistently brought up since the beggining Saiyan Saga to the end of Majin Buu Saga resulting in his final power-up where he got his whole potential unleashed 2) SSGSS is above SSBG and SSG the problem is the only way to get SSG is to done ritual described in Movie 14, the problem is not that Trunks got stronger the problem is taht the guy went from SSJ2 to somwhere about SSGSS without training and without getting SSG. THAT IS BULLSHIT. There was literally ZERO mentions in the whole DB series that Trunks has similar potential to Gohan or say Frieza. If this is not an asspull I don't know what is. I'm watching Kai right now and Gotenks gets to SSJ3 without too much effort, so Goten and Trunks have more potential than Gohan. |
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| This was.. well.. simply not good. So Vegito defused because a time limit? Really? After playing with super boo in his ssj form? For multiple hours? And they said before in SSJB they can control their power perfectly. So no, vegito splitting up because he has to maintain the fusion is bullshit. He fought an eternity while in SSJ, a much inferior form when it comes to fusion time. Also, he should be able to sealclub fused zamasu even in base form. Well lets give him SSJ. But in SSJB he should have clubbed much harder. The Genkidama like sword for trunks was a good way to settle this. From the preview it looks like the king of everything is coming? And a farewell? Pls dont tell me he closes the path that connects these two universes. Just. Dont. I just can imagine how awesome this arc would have been in DBZ. But here? Way too long. Way to derpy. Jelly zamasu? really? agh.. FINALLY THIS SHITTY ARC IS OVER!! I hope so.. lets see what is coming for the future. last thing - no sassy comments from vegito. That and his insanely high power was what made his character. Im crying so hard. |
Comander-07Nov 13, 2016 7:50 AM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| I think that it will be better to forget the power-levels because they make no sense anymore. |
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Creepy_Noire_fan said: BlackDot said: There was an incoherence that I didn't see in all your posts. Vegeto poped out, turned into SSJGSSJ and then Trunks said "what an incredible energy" But SSJGSSJ are "Gods", so he can't feel his Ki... Right ? Nah for some odd reason, Trunks can tap into God ki (don't ask me how. it just happened) so he can sense it. Vegeta was able to go SSJGSSJ without 5 other saiyajins. why shouldnt his son, trunks, be able to do it? hybirds always had it easier to reach the next step. gohan went ssj2, kid trunks and goten were ssj form the beginning and they managed to reach ssj3 as gotenks. the real question is, how was vegeta able to reach SSJGSSJ. maybe it was "stay close to a god ki user and it will affect you"? if thats the case then it makes sense that trunks was able to get the blue aura considering goku and vegeta were always close to him |
deadlyfart said: maaaan, i really don't understand dragonball fandom. how come most people voting here loved this one? producers clearly advertised it big time in the last episode's preview to build hype and then completely ruined the whole thing. retconned portara - whatever, too bad, idea with buu's stomach somehow affecting fusion was just as bad, still, just scraping it with a single sentence is kinda gay~ might have simply let them use dragonballs later to separate since you already used this excuse once but that makes too much sense. vegito gets less than 10 fucking minutes of screen time despite being in preview's every scene. -_- in z he was in what, 5 episodes? even though goku and vegeta can somewhat handle zamasu (goku's kameha even wins out O_o , w/o kaioken too) vegito doesn't straight up shit on the guy? i mean seriously, with how stupidly strong fusion made them back in buu saga i wouldn't be surprised if he could beat zamasu's ass just going super vegito without the whole blue thing, considering current baseline power of kaka carrot cake and virginia. overall fusion seems weakened big time, same goes with bad guys. black either kicks protagonists around or gets kicked himself and his fusion can't win beam struggle against goku? for real? and then there's the final, holy shit was it all kinds of awful. people cheering for trunks somehow creates a mass of spirit bomb-like energy (it's not like trunks used any form of a technique here, it just fucking appeared cause couple of kids were chanting his name, wtf!?) and it imbues his fucking excalibur or whatever the fuck that whole thing was all about. of course at this point it's just a matter of couple slashes, cause trunks despite being ragdolled by black can shit on black's and zamasu's fusion easily with the power of few dozens of humans, undoubtedly considerably reduced amounts of animal as well as plant life due to all the destruction caused by black and two nearly knocked out saiyans. i mean, of course he can. and obviously all this energy gets gathered in what, 5 seconds? cause you know, gotta rush this fucking episode, it clearly was too slow paced up to this point. it was worse than fairy tail nakama bullshit deus-ex machina. at least there it's a given, expected outcome, since the whole show shoves this camaraderie nonsense down people's throats all the time. and whats up with the people saying it looked amazing? sure, they clearly bothered to make sure vegito looks marketable and the further we go with this series the better it gets and theres no comparison to dreadful episode 5 but amazing? am i missing something? half the time it feels like they just skip the issue of animating fights by making fighting scenes short and sped up to stupid degree. what about those random derpy limbs and faces that can be found in virtually every episode? anyone else seen this fist struggle between vegito and zamasu with closeups consisting of like 3 frames for each of them and vegito's face going full inbred? or how he slides through the ground few seconds earlier without affecting it at all, it just simply being there in the background? sure, as i said, they improved dramatically since series started and there were quite a few really, really cool shots but plenty of this stuff is average at best, and i'm being generous here. god, they even managed to make spirit sword look like tapped on static jpeg, instead of making it a beam of light like it was back in buu saga which worked so much better. sorry for this stupid long rant, stayed up all night waiting and now i feel like a fucking tool for doing so. -_- I noticed the JPEG thing. Vegetto's sword looked like a Popsicle on his hand. |
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Rilind said: Creepy_Noire_fan said: Nah for some odd reason, Trunks can tap into God ki (don't ask me how. it just happened) so he can sense it. Vegeta was able to go SSJGSSJ without 5 other saiyajins. why shouldnt his son, trunks, be able to do it? hybirds always had it easier to reach the next step. gohan went ssj2, kid trunks and goten were ssj form the beginning and they managed to reach ssj3 as gotenks. the real question is, how was vegeta able to reach SSJGSSJ. maybe it was "stay close to a god ki user and it will affect you"? if thats the case then it makes sense that trunks was able to get the blue aura considering goku and vegeta were always close to him Vegeta went to train with whis way before goku joined. Trunks just got it because the plot needed him to be stronger. while i'll agree that it might be possible for trunks to get it by being close to a god, i refuse to believe that he can do it in just a few days |
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| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
| fucking intense episode but Vegito screen time was too short and was that some sort of a spirit bomb sword or what? fucking asspull man |
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| Where is gohan? Can someone explain me? |
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Jodecii said: Way to use the most cliché example ever. Every other anime is about asspulling, without asspulling no one would learn any move or gain strength or whatever. Dragon Ball always had this so your complaint is way overdue. Either watch it to enjoy or just don't watch it at all. I personally don't watch anime to take mathematics classes and calculate everything. I just watch it to get entertained and that's what anime is about, in the end it's not real so why are you so concerned? You're watching an anime with GODS battling each other, laser beams, demons and whatever you wanna add and your complaint is about Trunks doing something similar to a spirit bomb? Alrighty. Yeah, because I couldn't think of a better analogy. xD But, in seriousness, did you actually read my post? I have never not called out Dragon Ball's asspulling; I actually rarely talk about it online, so you may be mistaking me for someone else? If the internet was a thing during Z, I would have done the same there. And I do the same with other anime. It's called having standards. And that's fine if you don't personally do it, but expecting others to do it and dismissing legit complaints because of it? That is pretty arrogant to think you can have a safe space because of what you personally don't do. If I was cliche, how cliche is it for you to tell someone else to "just enjoy it or not watch"? #1 fanboy tactic, yo. I'm not going to do either because you can't take criticisms of your garbage show. No, what anime is varies between creators. How anime is enjoyed varies between people; not everyone is going to have the same opinion or even experience enjoyment in the same way. It doesn't mean they're wrong. Frankly, I'm more concerned at what praising this garbage does for future anime. DB has been inspiration for many artists for years and if it can get away with terrible writing and non-effort, why can't others? Suspension of belief. I can suspend my belief for gods battling with laser beams and an chibi alien as a god king. But, that suspension isn't infinite; it doesn't compensate for bad writing nor does it try to explain (away) something the show obviously didn't care about. tl;dr If you like having keys dangling in your face, fine. But, don't act surprised when others call you out for using ad hominem tactics on other fans to dismiss their thoughts. DekuHero said: The potara retcon isn't that bad, if anything it's more of an explanation than a retcon because people have been complaining for years that it makes no sense why the only reason they give for Goku and Vegeta defusing to be "bad air" and then now they give a proper reason and suddenly "oh fuck you Toei and Toriyama why are you ruining the lore of dragon ball which has always been consistent and always made perfect sense!" For me, it's because the Buu thing wasn't a corner that could never make sense; it was probably vague for that reason. The lore behind Buu could be expanded to fit with the potara fusion with less issues than a random time limit. A time limit was always the fusion dance and do we really need two fusion techniques with the same restriction? Just do the dance; Vegeta has been practicing after all. |
SakariiNov 13, 2016 8:35 AM
DekuHero said: swordmasterman said: I think that it will be better to forget the power-levels because they make no sense anymore. People have been saying this since the Majin Boo arc to be fair That will be the only way to enjoy Dragon Ball Super from nom on. I wonder if they will make another arc before the next tournament arc. I hope that they won't make a arc like the Vegeta Clone's arc. |
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| You Guys Forgot This Trunks Arc Own Story Same to Gohan Arc story. Cell Saga Main Character Gohan beat Cell Zamasu Saga Main Character Trunks beat Zamasu I not surprise Fusion from Original Dragon Ball Z and Dragonball Gt got lose in fight Many Times. Goten and Trunks Form fusion Gotenks got lose to Majin buu. Goku and Vegeta Form fusion Vegito got defuse From Inside Majin buu. This Time Vegito Blue got defuse Much use Enery. Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta lol to much play to Omega Shenron He Forgot His Time Limit and Forgot Finish Soon Omega Shenron. This Trunks Arc that why many Fans of Trunks Got Happy and Fans Vegito Got Super Mad Reason He The one not Finish it. Many People Forgot Dragonball Original Origin Always Power of Friendship And Other Anime copy of it like Fairy Tale and One Piece. Dragon ball first power of friendship and Deus Machina There Nothing surprise of it Reason Akira Toriyama The one Put it Even we Like it or Not. |
| Don't know how to feel about this episode. We got awesome animation, for once. Seriously, best visuals in this series up to this point. But to end the main villain like that? I dunno... it felt cheap. Vegito's part really was nothing but filler, not being able to progress the fight one bit, and then having Trunks steal the kill through some new made-up thing that somehow broke through Zamasu's immortality. Even the Spirit Bomb made more sense than this, as at least its power reflected the energy it was able to pull from the planet, meaning that if little life was left on the planet, the Spirit Bomb would be severely weaker. Trunks's "Spirit Blade" used the same mechanic as the Spirit Bomb, but it ignored the fact that almost all life on the planet was completely wiped out. So, how could it ever get strong enough to match the power that even surpassed that of Vegito? It makes no sense, but I guess that could be said about the entirety of DBS up to now. |
| Are people really ok with genki trunks? Ehi vegita, point your arms to trunks BAAAAAM T: Woooo I'm ssjssj34ssjgssj trunks, is this not enough? I told to the directors I should have changed my hair's color. Ehi goku, your genki is shit, look at me, in just a second I'm more powerful than your useless fusion, while you need 2 weeks to charge a easly missable sphere I won't say anything more about the potara's limit, just brainless. This Vegito has destroyed a legend, he was so cool against a full power buu and here he was fighting to the same level of zamasu when he was already heavly damaged by their base forms. dbs is disgusting |
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| reallly? reallllllllly ? man -_- sigh |
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Tempus36 said: I realize that in DB characters are as strong as they need to be beacuse plot but this was too much. Vegito in SSGSS was unable to beat Zamasu and you mean to tell me that Trunks ( his power-up is still bullshit btw.) with some energy from humans ( from completely ravaged Earth no less!) was able to beat him? Hahahaha, lol nope. Remember good old times with DBZ? Like when they needed energy from ALL of the universe ( and Otherworld) and the whole Z-Team to beat Buu. And here to beat opponent stronger than Buu Trunks just needed energy from few humans? This is too much of a stretch. Even for DB. Don't forget that at the start of this arc Trunks was about as strong as Buu was, maybe a bit stronger, maybe a bit weaker. Meanwhile BEFORE fusing, Goku, Vegeta, and black were all easily strong enough to meme circles around Buu without breaking a sweat. |
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
| Fusion retcon was lame and Trunks killing Zamasu who held his own against Vegito Blue is even more lame. This anime's power scaling is stupid as fuark |
bashirdkNov 13, 2016 9:19 AM
| On Trunks's asspull, I can still forgive it. Trunks's "semi-blue" saiyan is actually next stage of bulky transformation. It's clearly shown there. (Super Vegita anyone?) But I don't know what was the trick behind this. Trunk's spirit bomb felt much different than Goku's one. In Goku's case he calls the power while Trunks starts shining and calls the power unconsciously. I felt that Trunks being acted like core of that power unlike Goku takes small powers from people and uses it. Some explanation is needed here. Fusion retcon wasn't really that bad one. Can it even be considered retcon? In the end Vegeta and Goku separated in Buu saga right? Any fan theories can be there. It's just explanation from the canon material. Rilind said: Vegeta was able to go SSJGSSJ without 5 other saiyajins. Just nitpick here. When it's said that to become "blue" you need 5 other saiyans? It's to become "Red" one. And I see no Super Saiyan Red Vegeta TheDiabolicEsper said: Yeah animation looks better because it's hand drawn then written on film and new one is CG. it had way way better Animation.. not some fancy blue fireworks.. with fight scenes having 2 frames per atk lasting 1minute along with deformed faces/ body proportions in 2016 u'd expect better Somehow CG looks worse when artstyle is the same. Maybe grain of oil pencil and film makes it look better? IDK. I have no word on animation motion. |
bxyhxyhNov 13, 2016 10:28 AM
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bxyhxyh said: On Trunks's asspull, I can still forgive it. Trunks's "semi-blue" saiyan is actually next stage of bulky transformation. It's clearly shown there. (Super Vegita anyone?) But I don't know what was the trick behind this. Trunk's spirit bomb felt much different than Goku's one. In Goku's case he calls the power while Trunks starts shining and calls the power unconsciously. I felt that Trunks being acted like core of that power unlike Goku takes small powers from people and uses it. Some explanation is needed here. Fusion retcon wasn't really crushed the old one. In the end Vegeta and Goku separated in Buu saga right? Any fan theories can be there. It's just explanation from the canon material. TheDiabolicEsper said: Yeah animation looks better because it's hand drawn then written on film and new one is CG. it had way way better Animation.. not some fancy blue fireworks.. with fight scenes having 2 frames per atk lasting 1minute along with deformed faces/ body proportions in 2016 u'd expect better Somehow CG looks worse when artstyle is the same. Maybe grain of oil pencil and film makes it look better? IDK. I have no word on animation motion. artstyle aint the same they barely put effort into the cg animations. it felt like fanmade animation at some parts it was poorly done...bad shading bad detailing. and lazy. with few frames. and off model.. the only parts that looked cool.. was that fancy blue aura... everything else of the Animation was really borring Gt looks better in almost everyway and its not from 2016.. |
TheDiabolicEsperNov 13, 2016 9:49 AM
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| What the hell was that episode ? The only good thing was vegito vs zamasu fight. How did they defuse ? That's some serious BS right there. Mega ass pull from trunks too. Disappointed af. |
| Too many plot holes here, wtf are the writers thinking? How is it possible....aaa well. |
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MoaMahriMatoro said: So is Super over, or are there details of the next arc...? Would think they'd be out by now It's at least been confirmed there will be a multi-universe tournament at some point. |
LMAO that gif that was actually from the show? |
From the anime (not movie) version of Goku versus Frieza battle, yeah. |
| People kept questioning how they defused inside Buu, now that they got the answer they're still whining. Smh, kids can never be satisfied. |
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