| why even bother translating accent, everytime kansai accent get translated i cringe stop translating accent ffs! my Keijo!!!!!!!!!!!!! enjoyment decreased because of this! just leave it with normal english, we have ears! |
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| That is my main concern in Keijo. In fact, other anime and manga too. Some series I've dropped were because of the excessive slangs used in the subtitles. The thing is that sometimes a different manner of speech in the subtitle is crucial (it gives the audience hints on whether they live abroad, countryside, etc). However, the way they translate it, it becomes awkward. |
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HikiMaru said: it's not like my heavy accented arab, thai and french friends write different style of english in our essay assignmentThat is my main concern in Keijo. In fact, other anime and manga too. Some series I've dropped were because of the excessive slangs used in the subtitles. The thing is that sometimes a different manner of speech in the subtitle is crucial (it gives the audience hints on whether they live abroad, countryside, etc). And the way they translate it, it becomes awkward. yare yare daze |
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| Yeah, it's pretty damn horrible, considering that those are loose translations that doesn't actually fit. I think I can tell when some niqqa speaks with a Kansai dialect, bad Japanese, etc. |
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| If the accents were not translated there wouldn't be context as for the jokes related to the accents, nor would it highlight the differences in speech which are present. The very purpose of a literary (read: good) translation is to deliver us a correct understandable and fluent translation. You'd understand the term localisation better I guess: it has to make sense in regards to the language it is translated to and the culture it is placed in; a rural accent is going to be translated to something more informal, etc. It's the best way to manage it, although I'm not a fan of written-out accents. |
| yes i also dislike when black slang is translated into kansai dialect |
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GangsterCat said: demonskul777 said: we have EARS for that mate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,If the accents were not translated there wouldn't be context as for the jokes related to the accents, nor would it highlight the differences in speech which are present. The very purpose of a literary (read: good) translation is to deliver us a correct understandable and fluent translation. You'd understand the term localisation better I guess: it has to make sense in regards to the language it is translated to and the culture it is placed in; a rural accent is going to be translated to something more informal, etc. It's the best way to manage it, although I'm not a fan of written-out accents. Who is "we" though? There is a large public that doesn't understand Japanese as well as, us, anime connoisseurs - for lack of a better term. Subs (should) try to make the translation, as I explained, as accessible and understandable as possible. There should be no difference between translating written text and spoken text, either, so our ears have nothing to do with the translation. (i mean there is a little more freedom for written texts, but let's not thread into such details) |
GangsterCat said: demonskul777 said: who cares about casuals lol..............Who is "we" though? There is a large public that doesn't understand Japanese as well as, us, anime connoisseurs - for lack of a better term. Subs (should) try to make the translation, as I explained, as accessible and understandable as possible. There should be no difference between translating written text and spoken text, either, so our ears have nothing to do with the translation. (i mean there is a little more freedom for written texts, but let's not thread into such details) Well, Crunchyroll for one cares about the entirety of the Western community, so casuals as well. I guess not all fansubbers would though, so that's up to them. |
demonskul777 said: the thing is fansubber is dead because of bad crunchyGangsterCat said: who cares about casuals lol.............. Well, Crunchyroll for one cares about the entirety of the Western community, so casuals as well. I guess not all fansubbers would though, so that's up to them. well, my local sub is alive but it's also terrible |
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| Yet, nobody complains when a anime gets subbed in American English. The characters who speak in Hiroshima-ben speak in a North Central dialect. |
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mascarpone said: by that, you mean official english?Yet, nobody complains when a anime gets subbed in American English. The characters who speak in Hiroshima-ben speak in a North Central dialect. |
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GangsterCat said: No, this silly foreigner, lolmascarpone said: by that, you mean official english?Yet, nobody complains when a anime gets subbed in American English. The characters who speak in Hiroshima-ben speak in a North Central dialect. |
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| When is Kansai accent translated into black and slang language (even Brooklyn accent makes more sense)? Most of the time, I fine with how Kansai was translated. The only specific example I can think of is Girlish Number. |
demonskul777 said: If the accents were not translated there wouldn't be context as for the jokes related to the accents, nor would it highlight the differences in speech which are present. The very purpose of a literary (read: good) translation is to deliver us a correct understandable and fluent translation. You'd understand the term localisation better I guess: it has to make sense in regards to the language it is translated to and the culture it is placed in; a rural accent is going to be translated to something more informal, etc. It's the best way to manage it, although I'm not a fan of written-out accents. English is not my native language, and translators' attempts to write in dialects confuse me a lot. People who aren't as good as me will probably be unable to understand it at all. |
| Dude, why do you even bother, when you're just gonna fap? I mean your talking about Keijo and your ranting about subs? Like really, you're not fapping? How could you make this bait-thread? You just grabbed me... |
_Ako_ said: Dude, why do you even bother, when you're just gonna fap? I mean your talking about Keijo and your ranting about subs? Like really, you're not fapping? How could you make this bait-thread? You just grabbed me... I suspect that the correct reaction to Keijo is to roll on the floor laughing, not to masturbate to it. Edit: just look at this gif picture from the "hips" thread: |
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flannan said: _Ako_ said: Dude, why do you even bother, when you're just gonna fap? I mean your talking about Keijo and your ranting about subs? Like really, you're not fapping? How could you make this bait-thread? You just grabbed me... I suspect that the correct reaction to Keijo is to roll on the floor laughing, not to masturbate to it. Why not roll on the floor laughing while mastur- |
PrayMeyer said: flannan said: I suspect that the correct reaction to Keijo is to roll on the floor laughing, not to masturbate to it. Why not roll on the floor laughing while mastur- I never tried it, but sounds like you can get hurt from that, and seeking medical assistance would be really embarrassing. |
_Ako_ said: ?Dude, why do you even bother, when you're just gonna fap? I mean your talking about Keijo and your ranting about subs? Like really, you're not fapping? How could you make this bait-thread? You just grabbed me... Keijo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is masterpiece with quality story and action |
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flannan said: I never tried it, but sounds like you can get hurt from that, and seeking medical assistance would be really embarrassing. yea..and messy now that i think of it |
| this trend coming from the manga... i doubt it can stop soon, and unlike anime, it's text only.. the only way to show it is make it in different accent... |
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| Translating accent to black and slang language is NOT the worst, on the contrary I prefer it since I can't tell apart different japanese accents and until the slang is understandable it is good. |
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flannan said: demonskul777 said: If the accents were not translated there wouldn't be context as for the jokes related to the accents, nor would it highlight the differences in speech which are present. The very purpose of a literary (read: good) translation is to deliver us a correct understandable and fluent translation. You'd understand the term localisation better I guess: it has to make sense in regards to the language it is translated to and the culture it is placed in; a rural accent is going to be translated to something more informal, etc. It's the best way to manage it, although I'm not a fan of written-out accents. English is not my native language, and translators' attempts to write in dialects confuse me a lot. People who aren't as good as me will probably be unable to understand it at all. English is not my native language either, generally the accents in subs aren't too extreme. I haven't honestly found something I don't understand in terms of written accents. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but English subs are made with the English speaking folks in mind, which are quite a lot. |
demonskul777 said: flannan said: English is not my native language, and translators' attempts to write in dialects confuse me a lot. People who aren't as good as me will probably be unable to understand it at all. English is not my native language either, generally the accents in subs aren't too extreme. I haven't honestly found something I don't understand in terms of written accents. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but English subs are made with the English speaking folks in mind, which are quite a lot. I guess I will have to try it myself. Which translation, and which episode of Keijo are we talking about? |
flannan said: demonskul777 said: English is not my native language either, generally the accents in subs aren't too extreme. I haven't honestly found something I don't understand in terms of written accents. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but English subs are made with the English speaking folks in mind, which are quite a lot. I guess I will have to try it myself. Which translation, and which episode of Keijo are we talking about? The main character speaks with an accent, so it starts at episode 1, already. |
| Ye the accent in Keijo is really annoying, rather they just wrote it out regularly. |
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Nexu said: Ye the accent in Keijo is really annoying, rather they just wrote it out regularly. Agree with you , the whole " ta ya " is fucking killing me , and there is no other subs right now .. |
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hisokathebutcher said: i close my eyes whenever nozomi talks because its so fucking cringe and i need to throw somethingNexu said: Ye the accent in Keijo is really annoying, rather they just wrote it out regularly. Agree with you , the whole " ta ya " is fucking killing me , and there is no other subs right now .. |
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GangsterCat said: _Ako_ said: ?Dude, why do you even bother, when you're just gonna fap? I mean your talking about Keijo and your ranting about subs? Like really, you're not fapping? How could you make this bait-thread? You just grabbed me... Keijo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is masterpiece with quality story and action So? What do you want me to do? Kill myself? |
| I wasn't aware black was a type of language. The more you know. OT: it's never bothered me because even if I recognize that it's in another accent I can accept that they tweak the subs to show that it's another accent. If anything it would be stranger if there were a variety of accents where people can clearly hear the differences but they're all localized the exact same way. That would make the subs slightly more awkward imo. Edit: Side note the "use your ears" is kind of a dumb argument. I mean why not just watch raw and use your ears if the subs bother you so much. |
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Kruszer said: this feedback is the first step to fix dogshit translationAnother trivial argument. Get over it. |
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hisokathebutcher said: At least I know it is supposed to be an accent, otherwise I would be clueless. So if they make a joke about his/her accent I know what it is about ( like in azumanga daioh and hajime no ippo). Without the accent translation I would miss the joke.zal said: If I can't tell them apart just by hearing them talking? Yeah because reading " i'm waitinz ta ya'll come " is going to give you a great approach to the speakers accent . |
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| It doesnt phase me in the least. Its a very small thing to be frustrated over. |
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| I just like mentally blank it out, and read it like it was written in standard English. |
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| Who cares, it atleast shows the translators are trying to make it somewhat unique. |
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| If translators completely ignored accents, they'd be accused of "erasing clutural differences." There's no way to please everybody. |
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opheliakc said: You fokin weeabo. I don't even hear the difference between accents. Why u getting triggered over something stupid calm your tits Don't get on a high horse just because you suck at languages. It's fairly easy to hear a character has an unusual style of speech even if you don't understand a word he/she says. |
Zalis said: If translators completely ignored accents, they'd be accused of "erasing clutural differences." There's no way to please everybody. Then don't dub it, plain and simple. Also OP, just don't watch the dub. That's the solution right there. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Since when is dubbing the only form of translation? Expressing accents in subtitles is also a thing.Zalis said: If translators completely ignored accents, they'd be accused of "erasing clutural differences." There's no way to please everybody. Then don't dub it, plain and simple. Also OP, just don't watch the dub. That's the solution right there. |
OneTrueEmiya said: how do you express it then? how do you translate it to English then?Zalis said: If translators completely ignored accents, they'd be accused of "erasing clutural differences." There's no way to please everybody. Then don't dub it, plain and simple. Also OP, just don't watch the dub. That's the solution right there. |
Pixelzz said: TL noteOneTrueEmiya said: how do you express it then? how do you translate it to English then?Then don't dub it, plain and simple. Also OP, just don't watch the dub. That's the solution right there. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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| ok, so I've watched over 150 anime and I still can't even tell when someone is speaking in a Kansai dialect. (but I can tell when someone is from Osaka) |
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