| Guess what? I found that this thread hasn't been made up yet in AD, such a surprise tbh. And no, this is not a bait, I'm dead serious. But seriously why do people hate on moe and make it looks like bandwagons? I read through all the reasons and I found most of them are ridiculous. Like say, moe=no characterization/character development or even saying that with moe characteristics, it limits the plot thematic elements. Not I'm going to tell you why this was wrong. Isn't Haruhi series thought provoking? It's moe right? Another example would be Hibike Euphonium, I heard this series has a character development too, so this pretty much debunks all the argument above for moe (note that both shows are produced by KyoAni, the infamous studio of producing "moeblob") If it's because of "old anime bandwagon", I think I have to put this pic: The only reason I found to hate on moe is just that people dislike the "cute" artstyle, which is okay if you don't enjoy it but if you saying it like in a professional critic way, it's just plain stupidity. There's various types of art and moe is one of it, how can you judge that objectively? Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show not good? As long as the story given the reason on why the characters acted like that it looks human enough for them to be like that then it's okay right (e.g Komomo Hisakaki from the VN Hoshizora no Memoria)? What the hell is wrong with that? Discuss. |
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| Everyone loves moe. They're just faggets trying to hide it. |
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| I havent noticed a particular hate on moe recently. Sure there are people who hate on it, but there are for everything so its nothing special. But even if there were more haters i wouldnt be surprised because moe is a popular trend, and whats popular attracts hate. On the other hand everyone who hates moe must be retarded. Look at this |
Thing is not everyone should like something.It can be hate too.The real question is "Why do you care?" |
sasalx said: Thing is not everyone should like something.It can be hate too.The real question is "Why do you care?" Well might as well close all discussion forums in this world if you use that question. |
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| if i had to say why i dislike moe it would be cause i cant take anime with moe seriously. but people also talk about moe having changed due to showing too much panties and not hiding it. apparently for some it brings out exitement to see them hide their panties |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| Moe is sexist patriarchal crap, rural view on how human should appeal. Moe is revenge of villages and backwater places to cities and global beautiness standards. Despite this, there can be great moe, but you need o be KyoAni to produce one. Longlegged Sailor Moon always better than provincial prudes. Also, moe is only way to set beauty standards on realistic way because most japanese girls are short and have kinda deformed legs. |
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| @You Ok then let me explain my point.We have a person A B and C. He don't like moe. He doesn't understand why people like moe? He hates moe. Now not liking someone is ok since it's his opinion but also hating someone is an opinion.What I am getting is why are we judging opinions now?It's his personal choice. Now for your last question I don't mind the moe if story is good but I just can't watch full moe shows. |
guulaash said: if i had to say why i dislike moe it would be cause i cant take anime with moe seriously. but people also talk about moe having changed due to showing too much panties and not hiding it. apparently for some it brings out exitement to see them hide their panties Wait, how do you define moe in the first place? How can a moe anime always not serious? And your list saying that you watches many moe. |
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| Going to be honest I haven't seen that mean people hate on it. There most likely are some but I haven't seen it |
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You said: guulaash said: if i had to say why i dislike moe it would be cause i cant take anime with moe seriously. but people also talk about moe having changed due to showing too much panties and not hiding it. apparently for some it brings out exitement to see them hide their panties Wait, how do you define moe in the first place? How can a moe anime always not serious? And your list saying that you watches many moe. oh let me change my words.its not that i mind moe but when an animes main focus is moe..... thats when i drop it. im not saying thatit turns out unserious every time but sometimes it can take the focus away from the main story in my head. of course my list have moe but did i give them a high rank? |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| I think that the problem lies with the definition of "moe". I think there's nothing wrong with moe aesthetics or character designs, even if I don't really like them. I think "moe" has to do characterization; with having most, if not all of the characters defined by simple quirks and interactions that have been copied to death by the same kind of shows. I won't say that Hyouka or Euphonium are moe shows, but K-On! and Lucky Star are. By this definition moe characters are never realistic, it's actually about being as far from reality as possible (while still being relatable enough to work as escapism). Following with your Haruhi example, Mikuru is the only pure moeblob character in that show I think (but I don't find anything thought provoking in in either). You said: Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show not good? As long as the story given the reason on why the characters acted like that it looks human enough for them to be like that then it's okay right (e.g Komomo Hisakaki from the VN Hoshizora no Memoria)? What the hell is wrong with that? Of course execution is important, but if you're relying on those stereotypes you're not being creative (what also limits plot or thematic elements), and that's inherently bad if you want to consider anime some kind of artistic expression. The mass production of this kind of shows is what generates hate for moe and pleople saying that it's killing anime I think (myself included). |
guulaash said: You said: Wait, how do you define moe in the first place? How can a moe anime always not serious? And your list saying that you watches many moe. oh let me change my words.its not that i mind moe but when an animes main focus is moe..... thats when i drop it. im not saying thatit turns out unserious every time but sometimes it can take the focus away from the main story in my head. of course my list have moe but did i give them a high rank? Considering produced by P.A Works, Charlotte have moe character design. The same goes to Hyouka due to KyoAni. And you don't give scores to all the shows you watch so idk, but seeing Souma on your character favorites, I bet you like Food Wars. Food Wars has quite moe female design too. |
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velego said: You said: Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show not good? As long as the story given the reason on why the characters acted like that it looks human enough for them to be like that then it's okay right (e.g Komomo Hisakaki from the VN Hoshizora no Memoria)? What the hell is wrong with that? Of course execution is important, but if you're relying on those stereotypes you're not being creative (what also limits plot or thematic elements), and that's inherently bad if you want to consider anime some kind of artistic expression. The mass production of this kind of shows is what generates hate for moe and pleople saying that it's killing anime I think (myself included). So it's about the creativity of character traits? Well as for sinple copypasta without adding the proper reasoning to make a character looks human, I might agree with you if that's uncreative, but hoe much can you be creative in terms of making personality? There is some shows which try to make the characters personality "original" by picking some traits from a stereotype and try to combine it and not that just it looks too uncanny for a human to be like that, but also it's hard for you to make a reason why the characters acting like that (e.g Oregairu Zoku, especially Yukino and the other school SRC) So what I mean is being creative is great, but there's a narrow limit for one to make a characters look original before it looks uncanny and is worse than your flat stereotypical characters. |
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| Moe is nice to look at Anime is nice to look at Anime with moe is very nice to look at Conclusion: Moe is good, both for the body and soul |
| The way I see it, people don't hate moe, they hate the sexualization of the lolis in moe. OP, who is that girl in your signature? I'd fap to her |
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| IKR... how could you possibly hate this honey bun? #Stahphatingnao |
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You said: guulaash said: oh let me change my words.its not that i mind moe but when an animes main focus is moe..... thats when i drop it. im not saying thatit turns out unserious every time but sometimes it can take the focus away from the main story in my head. of course my list have moe but did i give them a high rank? Considering produced by P.A Works, Charlotte have moe character design. The same goes to Hyouka due to KyoAni. And you don't give scores to all the shows you watch so idk, but seeing Souma on your character favorites, I bet you like Food Wars. Food Wars has quite moe female design too. well dont we all have some exceptions sometimes? i watch food wars mainly cause i like anime with food and cooking since its one of my fav themes in a plot. i only give scores to the anime that i actually care about and those that i watch while being a MAL user. hyouka doesnt focus ENTIRELY on moe. as i said i dont mind when theres some moe but i just dont like the idea of having th moe genre as the main focus in a plot. |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| people just seem to hate on anything they think "distracts" from whats going on in the show which ill never understand no matter how many times people explain.... lol but obviously the cgdct shows have increased, so no matter how much people bitch, japan loves it |
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| Most moe anime nowadays are very generic and have nothing to offer besides cute girls. There are some OK ones though, like Haruhi, K-On, Azumanga Daioh (does that count as moe?). |
You said: So what I mean is being creative is great, but there's a narrow limit for one to make a characters look original before it looks uncanny and is worse than your flat stereotypical characters. It's almost impossible to create something completely original in any field, but the more complex a character is (usually in the sense of acting closer to a real human being), the more "geniune" it feels (in Oregairu terms). Once the story justifies why a character acts in a certain way (and I mean giving a reasonable excuse) it's not longer a moeblob. For example, yesterday I watched the first episode of this new show. The way it stablished the characters was just through quirks I've seen a hundred times before to the point of being able to predict almost everything that happened (which were mostly jokes about boobs and clumsiness anyway). When original shows like this are made (which is not the case, but also applies I think), I wonder what the writers discuss in their creative meetings, but I'm pretty confident saying that most of the conversations focus on what tropes to include in order to pander to a certain audience, instead of trying to make a something that stands on its own. (Not really their fault, this is a business, but sometimes it's so obvious it feels plain lazy). Again, it's the business model what's wrong, based on producing lots of these shows with tiny budgets in order to sell just enough BDs to make it profitable, while paying a misery to the animators and other staff. There's nothing wrong with having some of these shows (just like any other kind of fanservice). Same thing goes for other stereotypes, "moe" just happens to be the most popular thing nowadays. You can't compare a tsundere like Asuka from NGE to the one of your run of the mill ecchi, even if their behaviour doesn't seem so different on surface; one stands on its own as a character and the other is there because the audience likes that trope. I can't read the creators' minds, but sometimes it's not hard to tell the difference. |
| Perhaps new animes want to try something new,therefore,they decided to delete the usage of moe. |
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| I really don't understand the love on moe... Guess what? I found that this post hasn't been made up yet in this thread, such a surprise tbh. And no, this is not a bait, I'm dead serious. But seriously why do people love on moe and make it looks like bandwagons? I read through all the reasons and I found most of them are ridiculous. Like say, moe= characterization/character development or even saying that with moe characteristics, it increases the plot thematic elements. I'm not going to tell you why this was wrong. Isn't Haruhi series exaggerated, cliche characters, lots of fanservice, predictability and little to none plot and character development? It's moe right? Another example would be Hibike Euphonium, I heard this series has a character development, but this pretty much not debunks all the argument above for moe (note that both shows are produced by KyoAni, the infamous studio of producing "moeblob") If it's because of "old anime bandwagon", I think I have to put this pic: The only reason I found to love on moe is just that people like the "cute" artstyle, which is okay if you enjoy it but if you saying it like in a professional critic way, it's just plain stupidity (Digibro). There's various types of art and moe is one of it, how can you judge that objectively? Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show good? |
zalOct 4, 2016 7:59 AM
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| You can't really hate moe itself. You can hate so-called moeblobs, or the preeminent artstyle, or hollow fanservice. You can't hate 'moe' because that's ridiculous. It's like hating 'pretty' or hating 'fetish' |
| hating moe? i dont think so. they're just preferring deep anime with depresing crybaby shows than lighthearted moe with fun things.. |
| Moe is actually fun when combined with an interesting premise (Saki, GuP, NNB) |
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| It depends on the show. K-ON for example has no freaking development at all, the pinnacle of CGDCT done bad, just moe service. However, shows like Clannad AS have some proper development, the plot is way better and it's still moe as fuck with some typical moe autistic characters. Anyways, the moe designs are not bad at all per se, it depends on what the show wants to do with them. |
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kamisama751 said: Basically @you is not busy and goes on rampage. :3 Most CGDGT shows are crap, face it. They (not all) have nothing but moe. This the issue. If they have something going except for that then it looks different. Do you just sexually identify as Harambe? OneNaughtyBear said: The way I see it, people don't hate moe, they hate the sexualization of the lolis in moe. OP, who is that girl in your signature? I'd fap to her There are legal lolis tho, and I always prefer anime girls who is at least 5cm below my height (171cm) and it's koorihama juri zal said: I really don't understand the love on moe... Guess what? I found that this post hasn't been made up yet in this thread, such a surprise tbh. And no, this is not a bait, I'm dead serious. But seriously why do people love on moe and make it looks like bandwagons? I read through all the reasons and I found most of them are ridiculous. Like say, moe= characterization/character development or even saying that with moe characteristics, it increases the plot thematic elements. I'm not going to tell you why this was wrong. Isn't Haruhi series exaggerated, cliche characters, lots of fanservice, predictability and little to none plot and character development? It's moe right? Another example would be Hibike Euphonium, I heard this series has a character development, but this pretty much not debunks all the argument above for moe (note that both shows are produced by KyoAni, the infamous studio of producing "moeblob") If it's because of "old anime bandwagon", I think I have to put this pic: The only reason I found to love on moe is just that people like the "cute" artstyle, which is okay if you enjoy it but if you saying it like in a professional critic way, it's just plain stupidity (Digibro). There's various types of art and moe is one of it, how can you judge that objectively? Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show good? Thanks for reversing my statement. The Disappearance of Haruhi is like End of Evangelion done right for me, also: velego said: You said: So what I mean is being creative is great, but there's a narrow limit for one to make a characters look original before it looks uncanny and is worse than your flat stereotypical characters. It's almost impossible to create something completely original in any field, but the more complex a character is (usually in the sense of acting closer to a real human being), the more "geniune" it feels (in Oregairu terms). Once the story justifies why a character acts in a certain way (and I mean giving a reasonable excuse) it's not longer a moeblob. For example, yesterday I watched the first episode of this new show. The way it stablished the characters was just through quirks I've seen a hundred times before to the point of being able to predict almost everything that happened (which were mostly jokes about boobs and clumsiness anyway). When original shows like this are made (which is not the case, but also applies I think), I wonder what the writers discuss in their creative meetings, but I'm pretty confident saying that most of the conversations focus on what tropes to include in order to pander to a certain audience, instead of trying to make a something that stands on its own. (Not really their fault, this is a business, but sometimes it's so obvious it feels plain lazy). Again, it's the business model what's wrong, based on producing lots of these shows with tiny budgets in order to sell just enough BDs to make it profitable, while paying a misery to the animators and other staff. There's nothing wrong with having some of these shows (just like any other kind of fanservice). Same thing goes for other stereotypes, "moe" just happens to be the most popular thing nowadays. You can't compare a tsundere like Asuka from NGE to the one of your run of the mill ecchi, even if their behaviour doesn't seem so different on surface; one stands on its own as a character and the other is there because the audience likes that trope. I can't read the creators' minds, but sometimes it's not hard to tell the difference. Well yep sometimes some people got bored with a totally predictable plot (I even wonder why do peeps in Japan never got bored of it). And for your next staement that basically that's what I mean about proper reasoning to make the character looks more human, which is how the anime explore on why the character act that way and not just like leaving it "it's just the way they are", when the characters doesn't act like most humans (comedy genre like Inferno Cop can be the exception for this.) |
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You said: I was rather serious despite the joking approach. Fun things are fun is an empty statement and represents how empty moe shows are, so yeah it fits.zal said: I really don't understand the love on moe... Guess what? I found that this post hasn't been made up yet in this thread, such a surprise tbh. And no, this is not a bait, I'm dead serious. But seriously why do people love on moe and make it looks like bandwagons? I read through all the reasons and I found most of them are ridiculous. Like say, moe= characterization/character development or even saying that with moe characteristics, it increases the plot thematic elements. I'm not going to tell you why this was wrong. Isn't Haruhi series exaggerated, cliche characters, lots of fanservice, predictability and little to none plot and character development? It's moe right? Another example would be Hibike Euphonium, I heard this series has a character development, but this pretty much not debunks all the argument above for moe (note that both shows are produced by KyoAni, the infamous studio of producing "moeblob") If it's because of "old anime bandwagon", I think I have to put this pic: The only reason I found to love on moe is just that people like the "cute" artstyle, which is okay if you enjoy it but if you saying it like in a professional critic way, it's just plain stupidity (Digibro). There's various types of art and moe is one of it, how can you judge that objectively? Regarding the "stereotypical characters", why would that make a show good? Thanks for reversing my statement. The Disappearance of Haruhi is like End of Evangelion done right for me, also: I don't see much difference between moe and many slice of life, they are just plain boring, not fun. I watched one episode or two of haruhi then stopped because guess what, it was uninteresting. I copied that phrase from a review. Evangelion done right? I highly doubt it. The video should be like this: [yt]o3Zx_q8OVcc[/yt] |
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zal said: You said: I was rather serious despite the joking approach. Fun things are fun is an empty statement and represents how empty moe shows are, so yeah it fits.Thanks for reversing my statement. The Disappearance of Haruhi is like End of Evangelion done right for me, also: I don't see much difference between moe and many slice of life, they are just plain boring, not fun. I watched one episode or two of haruhi then stopped because guess what, it was uninteresting. I copied that phrase from a review. Evangelion done right? I highly doubt it. The video should be like this: [yt]o3Zx_q8OVcc[/yt] Well I have nothing more to say if you threw this to "genre preference" thing. |
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| Isn't it just guys trying to show off their masculinity by hating on something that isn't? It's like how guys constantly trash on BL anime to try to prove that they're not gay or something. |
| I don't have a problem with moe. I do have a problem with characters who are just moeblobs and are there just for fanservice (e.g Mikuru Asahina in Haruhi) |
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If they hate moe, then they've obviously never seen Acchi Kocchi |
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| Regarding the picture that OP posted, Akazukin Chacha isn't moe, and it's a kids show. Most of the "Real Moe" you see now are in Seinen Anime, and that's the stuff I don't like. |
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| People who hate moe usually like GAR instead... they prefer to listen to Ram Ranch while watching ripped dudes fuck each other in the ass. They are basically gay and you shouldn't take their opinions seriously. |
You said: I don't have much to say since I haven't watched many. The only ones I could go past 1st episodes on my own are the comedy ones (azumanga and mitsudomoe). zal said: I was rather serious despite the joking approach. Fun things are fun is an empty statement and represents how empty moe shows are, so yeah it fits. I don't see much difference between moe and many slice of life, they are just plain boring, not fun. I watched one episode or two of haruhi then stopped because guess what, it was uninteresting. I copied that phrase from a review. Evangelion done right? I highly doubt it. The video should be like this: [yt]o3Zx_q8OVcc[/yt] Well I have nothing more to say if you threw this to "genre preference" thing. However don't confuse me not liking it for hating on moe. You talk about the hate for moe but I've seen like 5 people that might hate on it. Most people just don't like it or dislike it but you as a fan see it as hate. You don't undertand why people hate moe, I don't understand why people like moe. I like funny shows or having fun watching some anime but moe are not fun for me because their main appeal are the cute little girls for which I have almost 0 compassion without some good characterization which I haven't seen in any moe I have watched. -Abyss_Walker- said: Watching GAR makes you gay? Does that mean watching moe makes you a paedophile? Why you shouldn't take gay's people opinions seriously?People who hate moe usually like GAR instead... they prefer to listen to Ram Ranch while watching ripped dudes fuck each other in the ass. They are basically gay and you shouldn't take their opinions seriously. |
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The perfect answer for this type of question. It's easy to cherry pick out one or two anime and then generalize the whole era for it. |
| OP is misleading--cute characters have always been a thing (and is basically inevitable, as animation favors attractive characters due to ease of drawing), but having these cute characters acting like mentally-retarded infants (a.k.a. moe) is a recent and disgusting development. |
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| Moe is misogynistic because Cherry Lover says so...! End of story! |
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