| Feminist, on MAL (and big parts of the internet) is just a random insult unrelated to any real actions or values the attacked person does or has. Except maybe that the person tends to be a woman but even that is not confirmed. Mainly it's someone who disagrees with the insultee. People see someone criticizing something they enjoy and their most intelligent and sophisticated reaction is to insult that person. That's just MAL common sense. Whether they call you an asshole, an elitist, a feminist, it doesn't matter. It all means the same to them. You wouldn't argue that you are, in fact, not an asshole but a human being in possession of an asshole, when someone calls you an asshole, because you know that wasn't their point. It's the same with feminism as an insult, really. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| It's kind of moronic, but that's what happens. I'm a girl, bi, and simply don't care for fanservice, and I'd never associate myself with a self-contradicting ideology like feminism. There's really no relevant connection to make between feminism and not liking fanservice. Anyone who believes there is really isn't that bright. |
| I think fanservice is fine when there's a reason for it- e.g. Kill la Kill, where the plot is literally about planet-destroying clothing, and Free!, where it's about swimming. In both these instances the characters are well-defined and the plot is there and easy to follow. However, I really dislike fanservice in shows that have absolutely no need for it, i just find it super gross tbh, because most of the time it's not even physically possible!!! It's grotesque!!! Like that gif I've seen floating around where the bullet goes in between that girls boobs. In these instances the characters are there to either be cute or be sexy or be a love interest and that's basically it, it's quite frustrating. |
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| @OP Omni_slash95 said: They are stupid neckbeards who get defensive. Don't bother. You are right that just fanservice can't carry a show. Pretty much sums up the thread. If someone complains about fanservice and they are a woman they are automatically assumed being a feminist when this is most likely not even the case. Maybe if these dudes actually met some women in real life they would know this is not always the case -_-. I personally don't mind fanservice, but I agree with you that sometimes it can be used distastefully to the point of trying to cover up for the lack of plot or how horrible the show is besides tits and ass flailing in your face every 30 seconds. I want to add that there is branches of feminism and some feminist believe showing off the female body whether it be porn, modeling, dancing (in night clubs), etc is actually empowering women. So this also makes some of those points invalid by calling someone a feminist because they hate fanservice. Someone can be a feminist and enjoy fanservice too. |
CejaraJul 18, 2016 11:47 AM
| When guys criticize fan service, they get told they secretly like it and are trying to look smart by liking non fan service shows. smh MAL, you guys don't even know what the word means, though I guess that's true for elitist, pandering, and many others. Feminism isn't an insult, and the anti feminists on MAL are way more vocal and annoying anyway. To answer your question, people are stupid and over sensitive, so they throw around buzzwords to insult each other if anything they like gets criticized, or perhaps they're deathly afraid that so called "feminists" will take away their ecchi shows. |
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| I haven't seen this happen at all, OP. |
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makasscythe said: However, I really dislike fanservice in shows that have absolutely no need for it, i just find it super gross tbh, because most of the time it's not even physically possible!!! It's grotesque!!! Like that gif I've seen floating around where the bullet goes in between that girls boobs. In these instances the characters are there to either be cute or be sexy or be a love interest and that's basically it, it's quite frustrating. I think you're overreacting. For example, the girl from the gif you're talking about is as good a character as everybody else on the show. |
flannan said: makasscythe said: However, I really dislike fanservice in shows that have absolutely no need for it, i just find it super gross tbh, because most of the time it's not even physically possible!!! It's grotesque!!! Like that gif I've seen floating around where the bullet goes in between that girls boobs. In these instances the characters are there to either be cute or be sexy or be a love interest and that's basically it, it's quite frustrating. I think you're overreacting. For example, the girl from the gif you're talking about is as good a character as everybody else on the show. I'm sure she is; I've never seen the show but it was the first example that came to mind. I mean, her breasts would have to be flapping like a windsock in a hurricane to actually let a bullet through them. |
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| not gonna lie i've never seen this been thrown around,maybe i just haven't been looking hard enough,as a dude i criticize both manservice and fanservice when done poorly and everyone else should have that right as well however some people might go a little far and trigger others. |
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| You guys probably just miss it because of mods deleting the posts as offensive and such. I've seen a it a few times, most recent one was in Masou Gakuen HxH 2nd Ep discussion, with your typical user watching a ecchi complaining about it having ecchi. Funny too cause it was the 2nd episode., you'd figure they stop after the 1st ep. Tyrel removed the posts already though. Anyways, I'm sure it's simply because SJW hate is a current fad and a well deserve hate at it. Though people are taking it out of control using it as a more of a gender based insult these days. |
| Why are you insulted by the word 'feminist'? Sure, some people get offended and easily group 'feminists' with some wackos that hate men, but they're just stupid. |
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hoopla123 said: Harusakama said: I am actually pretty cool when it comes to such things, but if I ship two boys with each other I am also called a "homophobe" because.. I don't know why, some woman dislike it when they can't have the D for themselves and I qualify them as homosexuals. Don't like it? At least give proper reasons instead of calling me out for words you don't even know the meaning of, obviously. The only problem I have with Fujoshi is when they ship random ass characters from a non shounen ai/yaoi anime that are just friends/bros with 0 romance hints/direction. I have a huge problems with yuri shippers. Every time I want to enjoy a show filled with all girls and enjoy the friendship between the girls. The yuri shippers are always in your face making every single girl gay and every touch they make will make them scream, yuri! Harusakama said: Like, okay I like to joke about it a lot, but it's pretty annoying when people start calling me a feminist just because I think fanservice can not carry an anime. I mean, honestly, what the fuck? I don't mind a bit of fanservice and as far as I know I am straight, but just when I say that some shows focus too much on it and it drops the quality for me because if you strip down the fanservice you basically have nothing left, people are calling me out on being a "feminist". Okay, right MAL people. It's not surprising if people call you feminists when you dislike fan service for a stupid reason. If a show focuses too much on the fan service that means it's for a crowd that likes that kind of thing. They clearly wouldn't produce a show with a lot of fanservice for someone who isn't too fond of fanservice would they? You're just throwing a fuss on something that isn't geared towards you. |
FlamingMangosJul 18, 2016 4:11 PM
| Oh so now being a feminist is something horrible. I guess that's how kids like to insult each other nowadays. |
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KingRequiem said: Didn't CherryLover have a degree in feminism or something ? She was some hardcore shit, anyone who disagreed with her was a "brainwashed patriarchal pig". All in all both extremes are just as cancerous. Lots of them are though, not everyone; but lots have no clue what they're talking about. |
KingRequiem said: Extremists have done a fair job of giving a bad rep to the movement and thus people came to resent them more and more. There's no denying that a lot of stuff is overshadowed by political correctness and censoring these days as to not offend feminazis, unfortunately healthy feminists get the shorter end of the stick. People are right to be frustrated, thing is they don't direct it at the right people. I agree that extremists are one of the most annoying things in the whole internet (and I'm talking about both sides), but it's not the fault of the feminists that people don't know how to read nowadays and just repeat the same ignorant opinions they heard from a youtuber they thought was funny. The whole "actions are more valuable than words" argument is trash because those extremists are actually a small portion of the feminist movement, thus they're putting a lot of people in the same box when they actually don't deserve it and have nothing to do with those toxic behaviors. Btw, you're using the word "feminazi" wrong. It's actually not an insult for extremists who think that women are superior to men (as literally all people on the internet think). It is an insult created for feminists in general, even for the ones who actually defend equality. |
SweetJul 18, 2016 4:30 PM
Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| In the way you describe it, I wouldn't call that supporting feminism, but as you know fan service is used purely to appeal to men, emphasising & focusing on female bodies to titillate (pardon the pun) male viewers, and not showing much in the way of personality or brains etc, so you could say someone is using feminist logic if they are against what they think is the objectification & over-sexualization that fan service utilizes. It's a shame people don't take feminism seriously anymore, it's done so much for women in the past (and present). |
RDWJul 18, 2016 5:22 PM
KingRequiem said: @Sweet "Feminazi is a term used pejoratively to describe either feminists who are perceived as extreme or radical, women who are perceived as seeking superiority over men, rather than equality, or in some cases, to describe all feminists." Both usages are accepted. That's more like the "modern" meaning people have given to the word. The man who made the term popular was aiming to insult all feminists. As for the rest I never claimed otherwise, but it's understandable that people see the movement in a bad light when it's actually present in their lives to the point of censorship and fear of being labelled negatively because of the whole extremist feminism lobby in medias. Kinda ironic because that applies both ways. Again not saying it's the right state of mind but it's a pretty common (even understandable to a degree) point of view. And I never said you did. Nah, I think this kind of generalizations are always stupid. This wouldn't be a problem if people actually were interested in knowing what's feminism and not limiting themselves with just what they hear from other people. In this case I agree more with what you said in your other post: "People are right to be frustrated, thing is they don't direct it at the right people". Anyway, I don't think we are supposed to talk about this in the "anime" discussion section, lol. |
Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| -I don't like this show, it has too much fanservice for my tastes. -Hey, you are a... a feminist!! -Okay. -Feminist! -Yes I know. [neutral face] The situation is quite ridiculous already with the name-calling and using the term feminist as something that is supposed to be derogatory is just the icing on the cake. Internet being internet, what can I say. |
| Well frankly I am glad that no one in the anime industry panders to feminists. However someone criticising fanservice does not in any way make them a feminist. They could be (rightfully) pissed off that it was used in a scene where it doesn't fit, for example. |
Anyway, this guy got his shit right. |
| What do you mean by that exactly? I'm curious to know. |
Paul said: I've seen a it a few times, most recent one was in Masou Gakuen HxH 2nd Ep discussion, with your typical user watching a ecchi complaining about it having ecchi. Funny too cause it was the 2nd episode., you'd figure they stop after the 1st ep. Tyrel removed the posts already though. I'll make it clear that I haven't watched Masou Gakuen HxH, though I will when the series is finished. If you know that you( not specific) hate something, why bother going for it... Either you're a female that hates Ecchi shows... You;re(not specific) just being a masochist watching something you don't like. To make it short. Female that knows they have a hard time accepting that fact that Ecchi pictures 2D girls > 3D girls, and question it... They should just avoid it at all, since even if they make a campaign for it, nothing will change. |
| and lo, what a feminist thread this hath become |
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RDW said: What do you mean by that exactly? I'm curious to know. Many Japanese games have been censored by western publishers because of complaints from SJW and fear of them, things like outfits being modified cause it shows too much skin, dialogue changing, etc. Some barely changing gameplay-wise but vastly aesthetically while some have even had their endings modified and some have even been canceled for localization because of them. |
| I don't mind fanservice if there's actual plot e.g. Code Geass, but shows like Monster Musume and Uta no Prince-sama really annoy me cause it's just unfunny harem antics. The most annoying thing is where a studio focuses so much on the fanservice that they sacrifice what could have been an amazing and interesting plot just so they can show more nip e.g. We Without Wings. Personally I think Yosuga no Sora has a good ratio of drama and fanservice. OP: I've never been called a feminist when I hate on shows like Infinite Stratos and To Love Ru. Might be because everyone knows I'm willing to ogle at girls too, since everyone knows I watch hentai. |
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Paul said: RDW said: What do you mean by that exactly? I'm curious to know. Many Japanese games have been censored by western publishers because of complaints from SJW and fear of them, things like outfits being modified cause it shows too much skin, dialogue changing, etc. Some barely changing gameplay-wise but vastly aesthetically while some have even had their endings modified and some have even been canceled for localization because of them. DoctorSexy said: I see. From what I've seen in a lot of Japanese games, they do like to include over the top hyper-sexualized girls, but I guess a lot of these games are pandering to the horny teenage boy demographic so don't really see a problem with that. I can understand if the more universal games were censored for nudity, I wouldn't want to play a game where all the girls have gigantic bouncing boobs.censorship mostly its why i had to buy DOA beach 3 oversea |
DJBay said: SarccyOtaku said: It's not an insult. "Hardcore feminist" would be bad, tho, as they're just misandrists using the title for their own prejudice. The problem is, it's these hardcore ones who are becoming the most listened to ones, and are slowly rising to the top, meaning the the average feminst gets the same viewing as the hardcore ones. People say this pretty much every time feminism comes up. Maybe people should look into what exactly their arguing against over the internet. How's a dictionary? KingRequiem said: Didn't CherryLover have a degree in feminism or something ? She was some hardcore shit, anyone who disagreed with her was a "brainwashed patriarchal pig". All in all both extremes are just as cancerous. Don't forget about VincentMcPearson and Jimmy Patterson, no one can really forget that big stint they did. did you actually go overseas for it? Or did you just order the japanese version or something? |
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hoopla123 said: ^thisI criticize yaoi and fujoshi shipping random ass ships with 0 hints just for the sake of shipping and I get called a homophobe. It's just how it is OP People just feel insecure to bring a real argument and thus proceed to name calling and such. |
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makasscythe said: flannan said: I think you're overreacting. For example, the girl from the gif you're talking about is as good a character as everybody else on the show. I'm sure she is; I've never seen the show but it was the first example that came to mind. I mean, her breasts would have to be flapping like a windsock in a hurricane to actually let a bullet through them. Some people have done calculations, and their result was "the 'boing' sound breasts make in anime is breasts breaking the sound barrier". Paul said: RDW said: What do you mean by that exactly? I'm curious to know. Many Japanese games have been censored by western publishers because of complaints from SJW and fear of them, things like outfits being modified cause it shows too much skin, dialogue changing, etc. Some barely changing gameplay-wise but vastly aesthetically while some have even had their endings modified and some have even been canceled for localization because of them. I always keep asking - is it really out of fear of feminists, or is it out of fear of religious moralfags? For I have heard that the last group is quite rampant in USA. CrustyRolls said: I don't mind fanservice if there's actual plot e.g. Code Geass, but shows like Monster Musume and Uta no Prince-sama really annoy me cause it's just unfunny harem antics. A lot of people (some of them claim to be male) complain about fanservice in shows with plot. And Monster Musume to Iru Nichijou was funny. RDW said: In the way you describe it, I wouldn't call that supporting feminism, but as you know fan service is used purely to appeal to men, emphasising & focusing on female bodies to titillate (pardon the pun) male viewers, and not showing much in the way of personality or brains etc, so you could say someone is using feminist logic if they are against what they think is the objectification & over-sexualization that fan service utilizes. It's a shame people don't take feminism seriously anymore, it's done so much for women in the past (and present). It's because feminists say things like that that we can't take them seriously. Most of the time, girls in fanservice anime aren't any dumber or less characterized than girls in straight-laced anime. Strong example: do you think Sinon from SAO2 doesn't have brains or characterization just because the camera likes to look at her well-framed ass? Weak example: do you think Strike Witches have less personality and brains than girls from, say, Azumanga or GochiUsa? Really weak example: How about GitS Section 13 versus Triage X's Black Label? |
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| @flannan I personally didn't think it was funny but humour is subjective so it doesn't really matter what I personally thought of it. In both the manga and anime I found it just relied on "MC gets embarrassed cause girls" type of humour, which IMO is like, seen one, seen them all. |
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