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Jun 26, 2016 2:20 PM

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I don't know who is more unlikeable, the idiotic knight who doesn't know how honor works or the idiotic stalker who doesn't know how debt works. Also lol @ Subaru's "I don't do this for myself" right befor his "you could never repay me" rant.
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Subaru's power is more of a curse than a blessing. Im sure Emilia would understand if she knew what he was going through but since he cant talk about his power, he's being screwed over. He probably did something really bad without even knowing it. Hopefully he is picking up clues because when he eventually dies and goes back in time, he is gonna have to think of something
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Jun 26, 2016 2:21 PM
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AnimeJunky said:
The you Subaru for not being a total fuckin pussy like most male leads would be. I loved how he defended Emilia & talked back to the royal snobs. And what he said at the end about Emilia owing him. He has every damn right to be like he is. He was summoned to a new world, found people he really cares about & died many times to save them. Then Emilia can't give him a shred of trust & basically tells him to go to hell. My hate goes to Emilia for being so damn stupid.


Agree. At the same time Emilia does have a point since he broke their promise. With that said, it was obvious that Subaru wasn't going to stand by and let his prize be tarnished by others. On top of that he called himself a Knight because he wanted to make it seem like Emilia wasn't the only one without one. Subaru is selfish indeed but what he did here was for the benefit of Emilia as well as himself.
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Then they should not have presented him as likeable and actually interesting character for 11 episodes.

This is like entirely different show now.

Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay.
But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy.


I like (love, even) fantasy but prefer humans to be...well, humans. So no, I don't think this is how it is. People are just not used to heroes being flawed. When hero gets shit on his face, he just accepts it, asks for it even. When a vilain do bad things to hero, he just doesn't care. When gals disrespect hero, hero is okay with it and never speaks up. People are used to this.

Subaru going apeshit crazy like this is something they aren't used to.
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Jun 26, 2016 2:24 PM
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Thank god i have Sansha Sanyou Which air at almost the Same time as Re Zero to Watch after this heavy episode cuz it was hard seeing Subaru and Emillia like that and thank you Sansha Sanyou for Removing this Curse by the Jealous Witch that got me so Emotional
Jun 26, 2016 2:25 PM
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Tony_SansNom said:
Yuzuryn said:

Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay.
But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy.


I like (love, even) fantasy but prefer humans to be...well, humans. So no, I don't think this is how it is. People are just not used to heroes being flawed. When hero gets shit on his face, he just accepts it, asks for it even. When a vilain do bad things to hero, he just doesn't care. When gals disrespect hero, hero is okay with it and never speaks up. People are used to this.

Subaru going apeshit crazy like this is something they aren't used to.

The casual anime watcher definitely wouldn't like this episode. This episode and Subaru in general took them out of the comfort zone. And they ultimately call it a bad episode just cause it's not ''their'' Subaru for once.

This is one of the times where the Reddit discussion about the episode is much better as they have an open mind about this, i saw many opinions that fit mine.
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Tony_SansNom said:
Yuzuryn said:

Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay.
But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy.


I like (love, even) fantasy but prefer humans to be...well, humans. So no, I don't think this is how it is. People are just not used to heroes being flawed. When hero gets shit on his face, he just accepts it, asks for it even. When a vilain do bad things to hero, he just doesn't care. When gals disrespect hero, hero is okay with it and never speaks up. People are used to this.

Subaru going apeshit crazy like this is something they aren't used to.


Again as much as people like you want it to paint it as "oh the casuals cant get this brilliant subversion" the problem is not the behavior, but the fact that it does not fit the way the character was characterized.
Jun 26, 2016 2:28 PM

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I will take you on. Although I don't have a lot of time today, I will argue with you until you shut up.
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He was never dumb. he was never obsessive and selfish stalker.

Then why did he help Emilia in the first place? He wanted to repay her. He still thought that his debts were TOO BIG. That lead him to the conclusion that he has to help Emilia on her way to the throne. Now the fear he had is that she is assassinated and he couldn't do anything about it and the save point moves, thus killing her for all eternity. That's the explanation for his actions in the last two episodes. Now as for the prior episodes, he wanted to save her every time in the first arc because she died and helped him. But why would he do that at the risk of his life. Because he's obsessed with her. If he had had such a weak motivation, he would have given up a long time ago. After that he always tried to date her in the second arc. Why would he do that? Because he's obsessed with her. He didn't see it as a simple date. He saw it as a romantic one. There were indications.

He was socially awkward guy who did not have that many relationships before and is trying to fit into the world.

Judging by the words he said in episode 1, he had nobody to rely on. Maybe his parents sent him money (or not), maybe he had to go to school, but he seemed starved for social interactions and love. Thus his obsessed love was created.
But one of the major aspects that made people like him was that he was smart. He used his brain. he acted like a real person would

He didn't adjust himself to the society where he landed in. His language was insolent and childish. It's a wonder he wasn't punished before. He could have executed some plans in a smarter way. He could have been "funny" and still be respectful. But he wasn't.
instead of falling into pit of Protagonist Drama.

What do you mean by that? That he acts retarded and makes sudden turns? Because his past actions indicated this turn of events.

And he was never that selfish - He literally jumped off the cliff forsaking his own survival just because he wanted to help someone else.

And Lelouch is suddenly not selfish for creating a country for his sister. Logical fallacies (from me) aside, just because he made some selfless actions doesn't make him completely selfless. He acted selfish and selfless at time.

We saw him overcome the whole "im the hero in the game" aspect in arc 2 and genuinely put his life on the line for others.

He's putting his life on the line in this arc as well. He wants Emilia to be elected as priestess. He wants her to be alive (he stated before that he fears her being assassinated; he puts no faith in Roswaal). So where is the contradiction?

What he is doing now ignores all that.

No, he acted the same way in the second arc, just that there it was a life-or-death situation.

The show went from protagonist learning how real situation is and putting his life on the line for others TO the protagonist being an obsessive self-entitled dumb yandere within a single episode, without any justification in the change of behavior.

See above.

The problem is not him being flawed or fucking up.

Never said it otherwise.

The problem is that it contradicts what we know about him and feels forced/unnatural. Subaru suddenly becomes complete idiot just so this situation can play out and his turn into obsessive yandere lacks justification.

See above.

I love my characters flawed and morally ambiguous. But this is third madoka movie level of character assassination.

Added to plan-to-watch list. :D

But the show still treats her as a goal.
Subaru behaved and he got a date.
Now Subaru fucked up and his waifu rejected him. So he will have to fix shit up so his waifu gives him a second chance. Same thing.

Subaru treats her as a goal. It's his ambition. He wants to repay her and attain her love because she cared for him. He was starving of love. Of course he will try to win her back. I don't know what kind of criticism that is. She can live herself, she did all her work in arc 2, she won't just be his price, but an independant character. What do you want more? To forbid love?

The show literally made it seem like Emilia is dumping him because she cares too much for him and he messed up and hurt her emotionally. Which means he will have to make up for that. Which still retains her status as trophy for him to win. Just instead of physical victory of Arc 2, this is a mental one.

It appeared like that in the first moment. But she came to the understanding that his motive is too weird and sees her as a price instead of a human. If he wins her trust, it won't certainly be easy. If you demand love to be forbidden because of his mistakes, then I won't argue any further. Can't win against this (senseless) level of feminism. I want you to say me, how she could be presented to come closer to him without being a trophy. Just spouting nonsense like being a trophy without presenting a non-trophy scenario is basically denying his love and feminism at its finest. After that I'll continue the argumentation again.
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Jun 26, 2016 2:30 PM

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Well I know Subaru is a human at the end he ofc is going to make mistakes but holy sh*t his foolishness level in this episode was over 9000!He made me cringe so hard.
Even though I'm on Rem's side I don't hate Emilia sure she should've trusted him more but I mean I can't really blame her for her attitude since Subaru cannot tell her the entire story and as a result she cannot understand everything.
BTW Anastasia is still an annoying sh*t I hate her.
Jun 26, 2016 2:30 PM
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For a guy who has died that many times, snapping like that might've been healthier and more accurately portrays his humane features. Memories with the girl of your dreams that technically don't exist and deaths that no one remembers would be enough to break anyone. Apologies to anyone shaming Subaru but anyone calling him weak is either arrogant or lacks perspective.
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Jun 26, 2016 2:31 PM

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i see many people got pretty mad cause subaru did a really stupidest thing ever in this series. i got mad too indeed. i couldn't even stand hearing him insulting the knights, but i like it cause it looks more realistic and emotional potrays what would most humans would did in real life if they were put in that kind of situation in real life.

so in summarry;

i think this is one of the best episode where white fox executed this episode perfectly imo moreover it even looked more realistic than what i had expected. i really got mind fuck watching this episode. i seriously can't stand either seeing or hearing subaru acted very stupid in this episode. and his action has a reason. not only an empty stupid action without any actual reason. there are many reasons why he acted like that and all of that reasons revealed at the second half until the ending. but that thing, which prevent subaru from explaining everything really pissed me off so much. just if subaru could explain it, it would ended in a different way, maybe it would has a happy ending. so i think that is the main problem. anyway, i really like how the author potrays the human features, human negative sides in this episode. really like that alot too.

i don't really know what to say cause this episode is basically was telling us subaru's stupid action. other than that is Felt xD really like her goal if she became the ruler. i support her. but most of the plot was focusing more on subaru's action so, i got mad.....but i really like how they executed it. really well done imo.

just one thing that i want subaru do now; kill himself and restart again from the beginning. if i were him, i would obviously, 100% would did that.
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For a guy who has died that many times, snapping like that might've been healthier and more accurately portrays his humane features. Memories with the girl of your dreams that technically don't exist and deaths that no one remembers would be enough to break anyone. Apologies to anyone shaming Subaru but anyone calling him weak is either arrogant or lacks perspective.


The problem is that the show does absolutely nothing to show that.

The show does not bother to show us via tells that Subaru is suffering mentally and this is the result(like the show did in Arc2). The show just has him act stupid and do stupid shit without giving it a logical explanation it within narrative ,

So instead of progression of his issues we saw it feels more like reset to Arc1.
Jun 26, 2016 2:37 PM

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Subaru messed up big time but I feel so bad for the guy. He literally cannot say or give any kind of explanation to Emilia and you can tell throughout the series, especially the end of this episode how hard everything mentally hits him again and again. Heck those kind of outbursts are natural when people don't have any restriction on what they're allowed to say to others.

Can understand why he had that outburst when he was trying to defend Emilia as well.
Jun 26, 2016 2:37 PM

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Ouch I hate watching Subaru suffer. This went really quick and I hope they will grow back together. Another week of waiting appears
Jun 26, 2016 2:38 PM

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In worst case, the show may go Valvrave on him.


As long as he's the one getting raped. Although Emilia has only slightly more depth than your typical tentacle victim.
Jun 26, 2016 2:39 PM

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I recommend everyone watch Groundhog Day with Bill Murray if you like this anime. After a while, he just accepted his "God Status" and used it to become super talented and self made prophet. I think Subaru, after a while, just won't give a damn.
Jun 26, 2016 2:40 PM

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Damn that kind of ending piss me so much!

For my concern I am going to wait for a few episodes to come out because I can't stand those weekly cliffhangers.
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Fai said:

Again as much as people like you want it to paint it as "oh the casuals cant get this brilliant subversion" the problem is not the behavior, but the fact that it does not fit the way the character was characterized.


He has always been like that. It is just he didn't need to use his brain here because he wasn't in a situation where an assassin is here secretly and Subaru needs to learn about them and their motive in order to stop it.

Here he's only acting like a dumbass you should hate. But a dumbass that's not a bad person. Only a dumbass who gets overwhelmed by everything surrounding him.
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As long as he's the one getting raped. Although Emilia has only slightly more depth than your typical tentacle victim.


Or that's what Satella wants you to believe ಠ_ಠ
Jun 26, 2016 2:42 PM

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QWERTYFish25 said:
Nayrael said:
In worst case, the show may go Valvrave on him.


As long as he's the one getting raped. Although Emilia has only slightly more depth than your typical tentacle victim.


Wait, what happened in Valrave? lol
Dropped it at ep 3 a long time ago
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i see many people got pretty mad cause subaru did a really stupidest thing ever in this series. i got mad too indeed. i couldn't even stand hearing him insulting the knights, but i like it cause it looks more realistic and emotional potrays what would most humans would did in real life if they were put in that kind of situation in real life.

so in summarry;

i think this is one of the best episode where white fox executed this episode perfectly imo moreover it even looked more realistic than what i had expected. i really got mind fuck watching this episode. i seriously can't stand either seeing or hearing subaru acted very stupid in this episode. and his action has a reason. not only an empty stupid action without any actual reason. there are many reasons why he acted like that and all of that reasons revealed at the second half until the ending. but that thing, which prevent subaru from explaining everything really pissed me off so much. just if subaru could explain it, it would ended in a different way, maybe it would has a happy ending. so i think that is the main problem. anyway, i really like how the author potrays the human features, human negative sides in this episode. really like that alot too.

i don't really know what to say cause this episode is basically was telling us subaru's stupid action. other than that is Felt xD really like her goal if she became the ruler. i support her. but most of the plot was focusing more on subaru's action so, i got mad.....but i really like how they executed it. really well done imo.

just one thing that i want subaru do now; kill himself and restart again from the beginning. if i were him, i would obviously, 100% would did that.


I suppose death after having your guts ripped out, cursed, dismembered and already committing suicide via cliff dive should be easy for someone like him by now. Still most people don't fear death, just the process and that's what he has to face everytime he has to die.

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nny92 said:
For a guy who has died that many times, snapping like that might've been healthier and more accurately portrays his humane features. Memories with the girl of your dreams that technically don't exist and deaths that no one remembers would be enough to break anyone. Apologies to anyone shaming Subaru but anyone calling him weak is either arrogant or lacks perspective.


The problem is that the show does absolutely nothing to show that.

The show does not bother to show us via tells that Subaru is suffering mentally and this is the result(like the show did in Arc2). The show just has him act stupid and do stupid shit without giving it a logical explanation it within narrative ,

So instead of progression of his issues we saw it feels more like reset to Arc1.


And in regards to his depiction in this adaptation. Characters aren't meant to display all their actions and emotions scene by scene thanks to the time restraint placed on any and all stories. They act and they portray emotions prevalent at the time of rendition. To expect a full scale or even partial inclusion of his mental progression would require inconsequential scenes being included slowing the pace as well as diluting the emotions of the non-present characters that don't appear in said scenes.


edit: sorry, new to forums so not great on quoting.. which is all i did in my edit
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Fai said:
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I like (love, even) fantasy but prefer humans to be...well, humans. So no, I don't think this is how it is. People are just not used to heroes being flawed. When hero gets shit on his face, he just accepts it, asks for it even. When a vilain do bad things to hero, he just doesn't care. When gals disrespect hero, hero is okay with it and never speaks up. People are used to this.

Subaru going apeshit crazy like this is something they aren't used to.


Again as much as people like you want it to paint it as "oh the casuals cant get this brilliant subversion" the problem is not the behavior, but the fact that it does not fit the way the character was characterized.

i don't think the problem is how he was characterized, but what would he do if he got put in that kind of situation. most people even in real life would do that too even in others people's view the person looks admirable, likeable and interesting. it potrays exactly human's negative sides when they can't hadle everything. if he got characterized as a likeable and interesting character, that doesn't mean that his character would continue like that until the end of the series. in addition if you think again that subaru have died more than one times in a horrible ways. i think it's obvious for him to snapped like that. more like make sense to me.
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Tony_SansNom said:
Fai said:

Again as much as people like you want it to paint it as "oh the casuals cant get this brilliant subversion" the problem is not the behavior, but the fact that it does not fit the way the character was characterized.


He has always been like that. It is just he didn't need to use his brain here because he wasn't in a situation where an assassin is here secretly and Subaru needs to learn about them and their motive in order to stop it.

Here he's only acting like a dumbass you should hate. But a dumbass that's not a bad person. Only a dumbass who gets overwhelmed by everything surrounding him.


You see, but he did use his brain for two arcs already. Him suddenly being dumb here has no context or reason behind it. He just simply regresses for no reason. The show does not spare the effort to tell or show the viewer on why someone who acted the way he did in previous arc suddenly acts this way. The show only presents the viewer with Subaru doing ooc stupid things. Which are ooc because they lack justification and progression from previous arcs.

But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be. Especially since his behavior lacks any sort of characterization progress making it feel like it clashes with rest of the show. Is he suffering from ptsd? Is he just being stupid for no reason? We can't tell because Show does not bothers to show us anything beyond him acting stupid for no reason.

What subaru did these episodes is very hard to come back from and does not make any sense for the viewers in terms of how he was characterized before.
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It would've largely made sense if he was just a little more cautious. Like I stated in the last ep thread, the author should've just wrote him into the courtroom. Even if it was going to go down the drain we could've thought of it as a very impulsive action with dire consequences. Instead we get Subaru acting like a brat for the majority of episode 12.

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As long as he's the one getting raped. Although Emilia has only slightly more depth than your typical tentacle victim.


Wait, what happened in Valrave? lol
Dropped it at ep 3 a long time ago


Well if you don't care

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Fai said:
But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be.
No,it is what people do when they have a huge fight with their lovers or friends or whatever,overflowed with all kinds of feelings and angst while thinking they are being treated unfairly...When you lose your shit you DO NOT think,you CANT think...You just yell out the ugliest shit trapped inside the very depths of your heart...

Subaru THOUGHT that she owed him,maybe just a little but he thought that,you would thought like that too...And he couldnt stop himself from screaming that ugly thought out of frustration and desperation...

He didnt regress,he was always an emotional "human" and he is still an emotional "human"...
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Fai said:
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He has always been like that. It is just he didn't need to use his brain here because he wasn't in a situation where an assassin is here secretly and Subaru needs to learn about them and their motive in order to stop it.

Here he's only acting like a dumbass you should hate. But a dumbass that's not a bad person. Only a dumbass who gets overwhelmed by everything surrounding him.


But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be. Especially since his behavior lacks any sort of characterization progress making it feel like it clashes with rest of the show. Is he suffering from ptsd? Is he just being stupid for no reason? We can't tell because Show does not bothers to show us anything beyond him acting stupid for no reason.


the ending was telling us the reason why subaru did all of that. the scene where subaru woke up and emilia was sitting besides him. that was all of the reasons.
this is what happened at the end;
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Part of development means holding your stupidity in. Even with that rant and being shocked by the boundaries of his power he still went on like that. At least the last time he shut the fuck up.

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Fai said:
But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be.
No,it is what people do when they have a huge fight with their lovers or friends or whatever,overflowed with all kinds of feelings and angst while thinking they are being treated unfairly...When you lose your shit you DO NOT think,you CANT think...You just yell out the ugliest shit trapped inside the very depths of your heart...

Subaru THOUGHT that she owed him,maybe just a little but he thought that,you would thought like that too...And he couldnt stop himself from screaming that ugly thought out of frustration and desperation...

He didnt digress,he was always a emotional "human" and he is still an emotional "human"...


]I thought hje was past understanding no one has any memory of what happened in his other lives. I mean I can get as to why he'd get emotional like that and that was arguably the best part of the episode, but we've already been through this when he broke down right before Rem killed him outside the castle. Yea, people have relapses but it was largely awkward.
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Well... I think Subaru needs to take a knife in the kitchen and restart don't you think?
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AzureSymphony said:
I really hope Subaru stops being so blatantly selfish and possessive soon, these last two episodes have been incredibly cringeworthy with the constant deluded shouting and it has started to sour my feelings about the series.


Subaru's character is dragging this show down.

Some people can look past it. I can't. I'm not enjoying this show since the REM/RAM arc.

I'm just hoping this shitshow display from Subaru gets better. And he actually Improves his skills instead of mouthing off and butting his nose in causing another painful bitchslap.
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Fai said:

Except that via arc 2 we saw him snap out of it and have a literal mental break down over his predicament. He literally used "I am the hero everyone!" comedy schtick as a mental mask to cope for last half of Arc2 before the break down. Arc 2 was literally all about Subaru learning how real shit is and then having to put his life on the line for others and not just himself despite being scared.
Yes,exactly...Subaru learned that SHIT IS REAL and HE IS NOT AN ANIME MC in second arc...Now he has to learn that he is a nobody,he cant use magic,he is not good at fighting,he is not the smartest guy...He has to learn that he is not a shining white knight and Emilia is not the damsel in distress he is destined to save and live happily forever...


Here's the thing I don't get, His 'ability' is kinda like rewind time, just that he requires LOTs of BALLs to use correctly. Like how in Groundhog day, The MC Became a GOD because he knew the possibility of every action.

Just kill himself and fight the guy till he wins. He'll get smarter about dodging every move. It's like playing Darksouls. You Die but you learn how the enemy works so eventually you become a god.
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I somehow get the feeling a good chunk of people here can't comprehend non linear character development.

By getting himself into a situation that is such large scaled compared to what he is used to, he got emotionally backed into a corner, became desperate and eventually made several steps back in his development. In other words this means falling back into old patterns that are amplified by the circumstances -> "Subaru what's going on with you?".

He is sent to the lowest low, the absolute bottom by his own actions and now has the chance to reconstruct his character bit by bit.

Or in short. By getting confronted with his own faults he broke but can now put the pieces together in a way that create a better man.
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Fappa said:
I somehow get the feeling a good chunk of people here can't comprehend non linear character development.

By getting himself into a situation that has such a large scaled compared to what he is used to, he got emotionally backed into a corner, became desperate and eventually made several steps back in his development. In other words this means falling back in old patterns that are amplified by the circumstances.

He is sent to the lowest low, the absolute bottom by his own actions and now has the chance to reconstruct his character bit by bit.

Or in short. By getting confronted with his own faults he broke but can now put the pieces together in a way that create a better man.


Just keep killing himself and fighting the duel till he wins like, that's what I would do.
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Fai said:
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He has always been like that. It is just he didn't need to use his brain here because he wasn't in a situation where an assassin is here secretly and Subaru needs to learn about them and their motive in order to stop it.

Here he's only acting like a dumbass you should hate. But a dumbass that's not a bad person. Only a dumbass who gets overwhelmed by everything surrounding him.


You see, but he did use his brain for two arcs already. Him suddenly being dumb here has no context or reason behind it. He just simply regresses for no reason. The show does not spare the effort to tell or show the viewer on why someone who acted the way he did in previous arc suddenly acts this way. The show only presents the viewer with Subaru doing ooc stupid things. Which are ooc because they lack justification and progression from previous arcs.

But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be. Especially since his behavior lacks any sort of characterization progress making it feel like it clashes with rest of the show. Is he suffering from ptsd? Is he just being stupid for no reason? We can't tell because Show does not bothers to show us anything beyond him acting stupid for no reason.

What subaru did these episodes is very hard to come back from and does not make any sense for the viewers in terms of how he was characterized before.


From my 3rd person viewer POV (my interpretation if you will), he saw her getting farther and farther from him and tried to reach her by using the fact that without him, she would have died and many problems in the mansion and village would have happened. So, it is manipulation he used to try and stop her from abandoning him. Why? Because he lost control of the situation. He wouldn't deal with it rationally and calmly thinking things through like he used to. He was very desperate. It is the most humane thing about him since the beginning.

He kept saying that he didn't have an ambition and didn't really want something from her/them. But when he saw he was losing her, he lost it.

Edit: Fappa explained it better above. Ninja'd me.
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Deep down Subaru is a despicable person. He's not the type that helps people because he wants to help them. He's the type that helps others for himself. He does it to feel important and when reality informs him that he really isn't important he throws an embarrassing tantrum about it.

Emilia thought he was her friend. In reality he only cares about her to the extent to prop himself up on her. His deeds to "help" her are nothing more than some sick egotistical masturbation for him.

It's one thing to help others because it makes you feel good. It's an entirely different thing to help others because it makes you feel good then demand they acknowledge they need you and have them shower you with praise and status for your deeds. In other words your actual helping them doesn't make you feel good at all. your sense of entitlement and importance to them because you helped them coupled with the debt you feel they owe to you is what makes you feel good.
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To be fair I think Subaru could use some time away from Emilia. All he's done is follow her around and try to help her. He hasn't even bothered to try figuring out why he was sent to this world or how to remove the curse. It's great how much he cares for her, but he needs to start making some headway on solving his own problems. How many times will he have to experience the horribleness of the curse before he gets on trying to permanetly save himself?
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when the studio/author gives you a realistic character, you all dislike it and talk shit about the character. and when the studio/author gives you a flawless character, you all dislike it and talk shit about it like what happen with Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei or Sword Art online. what the fuck do you all want god dammit ?!
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Idiotproofninja said:
Just kill himself and fight the guy till he wins. He'll get smarter about dodging every move. It's like playing Darksouls. You Die but you learn how the enemy works so eventually you become a god.
He would do just that if he was an emotionless robot and this was a game...but it is not,he is not...he lose the memories he shared with other people......He is not playing Dark Souls,he is trying to live a happy life...

Tevens said:
when the studio/author gives you a realistic character, you all dislike it and talk shit about the character. and when the studio/author gives you a flawless character, you all dislike it and talk shit about it like what happen with Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei or Sword Art online. what the fuck do you all want god dammit ?!
Lool,nice one...Answer is:Haters gonna hate i guess...
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Fai said:


You see, but he did use his brain for two arcs already. Him suddenly being dumb here has no context or reason behind it. He just simply regresses for no reason. The show does not spare the effort to tell or show the viewer on why someone who acted the way he did in previous arc suddenly acts this way. The show only presents the viewer with Subaru doing ooc stupid things. Which are ooc because they lack justification and progression from previous arcs.

But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be. Especially since his behavior lacks any sort of characterization progress making it feel like it clashes with rest of the show. Is he suffering from ptsd? Is he just being stupid for no reason? We can't tell because Show does not bothers to show us anything beyond him acting stupid for no reason.

What subaru did these episodes is very hard to come back from and does not make any sense for the viewers in terms of how he was characterized before.


From my 3rd person viewer POV (my interpretation if you will), he saw her getting farther and farther from him and tried to reach her by using the fact that without him, she would have died and many problems in the mansion and village would have happened. So, it is manipulation he used to try and stop her from abandoning him. Why? Because he lost control of the situation. He wouldn't deal with it rationally and calmly thinking things through like he used to. He was very desperate. It is the most humane thing about him since the beginning.

He kept saying that he didn't have an ambition and didn't really want something from her/them. But when he saw he was losing her, he lost it.


I'm actually curious how many of you are really invested in their romance since the only thing she did is save him once from really weak robbers which he would have gotten away with anyways and that's not even in this timeline. Other than that Emilia is just there as a female MC doing nothing half the time.

Subaru should just use his ability Groundhog day style and be a genius at everything.

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Idiotproofninja said:
Just kill himself and fight the guy till he wins. He'll get smarter about dodging every move. It's like playing Darksouls. You Die but you learn how the enemy works so eventually you become a god.
He would do just that if he was an emotionless robot and this was a game...but it is not,he is not...he lose the memories he shared with other people......He is not playing Dark Souls,he is trying to live a happy life...


But he doesn't have the skills do do jack shit. His best ability is dying so he should use it.
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SirKurt said:
How can this anime publish a new "this is my favourite episode so far" every week. What will I do when this is over...


Kill ur self when its done like u hope have return by death power so u can watch the all hype rezero episodes again
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Oh boy will this end like the Akame ga Kill anime?


End up like Akame ga Kill? You mean like one of those overhyped shows that end up miserably something like that?
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That last scene is a perfect example of why I love this so much - the characters actually feel about as realistic as it gets in an anime like this. The last two episodes I just felt embarrassed for Emilia because of his actions, and I was wondering how it was gonna play out. Turns out, not too well on Subaru's part aha.

But the best scene is definitely this one:



10/10 awesome. My hype level builds more and more as this series goes on.
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To be fair I think Subaru could use some time away from Emilia. All he's done is follow her around and try to help her. He hasn't even bothered to try figuring out why he was sent to this world or how to remove the curse. It's great how much he cares for her, but he needs to start making some headway on solving his own problems. How many times will he have to experience the horribleness of the curse before he gets on trying to permanetly save himself?


One of my highest hopes is that this all ends with him realizing his obsession around her is toxic and unhealthy and has him move on from her.

Alas he will most likely just be gifted a second chance from her instead :/

Tevens said:
when the studio/author gives you a realistic character, you all dislike it and talk shit about the character. and when the studio/author gives you a flawless character, you all dislike it and talk shit about it like what happen with Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei or Sword Art online. what the fuck do you all want god dammit ?!


Subaru WAS realistic up till this point. He is absolutely not in these last two episodes because it clashes with rest of his characterization.

Its not problem of character being real and flawed. Its problem of characterization being unclear and incoherent.
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Subaru should just use his ability Groundhog day style and be a genius at everything.
.......... I have nothing to say...Lets talk again after you experience death at least once ^_^
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i expected Subaru to be die on this episode by anybody after last ep he not die (1 ep break no death then start again)

uh uh i forget Roswaal is on this ep (and so i understand now why he smile (?) back there)


if Subaru can fix this without restart i can saw he grow up




*anybody upload new ED yet?
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Tevens said:
when the studio/author gives you a realistic character, you all dislike it and talk shit about the character. and when the studio/author gives you a flawless character, you all dislike it and talk shit about it like what happen with Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei or Sword Art online. what the fuck do you all want god dammit ?!

How about a realistic character that's not actual scum? You're simply going from one extreme in your examples to the next.

Tomoya in Clannad is a realistic character. Most people don't have a problem with him even if the circumstances around him are about as realistic as Kirito in Sword Art Online (all the women love him for seemingly no reason).
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Deep down Subaru is a despicable person. He's not the type that helps people because he wants to help them. He's the type that helps others for himself. He does it to feel important and when reality informs him that he really isn't important he throws an embarrassing tantrum about it.

Emilia thought he was her friend. In reality he only cares about her to the extent to prop himself up on her. His deeds to "help" her are nothing more than some sick egotistical masturbation for him.

It's one thing to help others because it makes you feel good. It's an entirely different thing to help others because it makes you feel good then demand they acknowledge they need you and have them shower you with praise and status for your deeds. In other words your actual helping them doesn't make you feel good at all. your sense of entitlement and importance to them because you helped them coupled with the debt you feel they owe to you is what makes you feel good.


The feel good after effect is the reason a lot of people donate to charity. His crush on Emilia just doesn't make sense. He likes Emilia from another timeline, for doing something rather trivial (I say this because he can settle that situation if he dies and gathers knowledge).

Emilia does nothing for most of the show besides existing. He just needs to find another job besides bootlicking and actually learn how to kick some ass even if he has to die a couple of times.
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LoneWizard said:
Idiotproofninja said:
Subaru should just use his ability Groundhog day style and be a genius at everything.
.......... I have nothing to say...Lets talk again after you experience death at least once ^_^


If I knew that I could die and nothing happened, I would be a hell lot more reckless.
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Fai said:
AvidAnimeViewer said:
To be fair I think Subaru could use some time away from Emilia. All he's done is follow her around and try to help her. He hasn't even bothered to try figuring out why he was sent to this world or how to remove the curse. It's great how much he cares for her, but he needs to start making some headway on solving his own problems. How many times will he have to experience the horribleness of the curse before he gets on trying to permanetly save himself?


One of my highest hopes is that this all ends with him realizing his obsession around her is toxic and unhealthy and has him move on from her.

Alas he will most likely just be gifted a second chance from her instead :/

Tevens said:
when the studio/author gives you a realistic character, you all dislike it and talk shit about the character. and when the studio/author gives you a flawless character, you all dislike it and talk shit about it like what happen with Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei or Sword Art online. what the fuck do you all want god dammit ?!


Subaru WAS realistic up till this point. He is absolutely not in these last two episodes because it clashes with rest of his characterization.

Its not problem of character being real and flawed. Its problem of characterization being unclear and incoherent.

the characterization already cleared. it's in the second arc and it still continues to the third arc. for the reason why he did all of that is in the end of the episode.
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CRINGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
On one Side, we finally got some Emilia characterization...
On the other Side...
Barusu(no he doesn't deserve that nickname anymore), Natsuki was worse then last Episode.
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Idiotproofninja said:
LoneWizard said:
.......... I have nothing to say...Lets talk again after you experience death at least once ^_^


If I knew that I could die and nothing happened, I would be a hell lot more reckless.
As i said,lets continue this conversations after you died at least once...

Nice nickname btw ::I
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